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Maggy Wassilieff

Yeeks, I’m 2hrs closer to death.
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June 29, 2014 10:04pm
SGA

My goodness, I’ve lost several hours. Is it really tomorrow already (note to self – cut back on the red wine over dinner).
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June 29, 2014 10:07pm
Reid

This is like reverse Langoliers. Spooky and mysterious with an element of suspense.
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June 29, 2014 10:08pm
Newbie

What, is it Monday morning already?!?
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June 29, 2014 10:08pm
flipper

Delighted to note that J Key’s email message today was correctly non PC.

He referred to Wanganui as Wanganui.

*** “Whirokino Trestle Bridge replacement, in Manawatu/Wanganui”

Excellent start. Long may he continue. 🙂
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June 29, 2014 10:16pm
mike tan

http://oi61.tinypic.com/21np6bq.jpg
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June 30, 2014 12:06am
mike tan

Not gonna spam, but here is one more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YweN6NeaJU
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June 30, 2014 12:08am
mike tan

To put this into context to hopefully save my arse from getting demerits from DPF, i followed the atheist v religion debate in the general debate yesterday and have noticed that it is basically a staple of all general debate threads. I thought i would add these in for some humor that will be both liked and hated (before the thread inevitably devolves into the standard back and forth). Okay I will fuck off now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oH0ReL3Cew
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June 30, 2014 12:16am
Left Right and Centre

Yeeks, I’m 2hrs closer to death.

Unless science fiction turns factual.
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June 30, 2014 1:00am
J Bloggs

SO…GD is making up for the lost time on friday then?
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June 30, 2014 6:41am
kowtow

The council that couldn’t keep track of its cars bought on the mayors insistence some camel hobbles because he thought they were colonial oppressor leg irons used to restrain maoris.

He has no regrets blowing rate payer money to prove his progressive credentials.

Note too the “Toitu” ,that’s what they call the Otago Settlers Museum,because the new name was “gifted” by maoris to a revamped at great expense city institution. The council canvassed opinion on a new name and the feedback was overwhelming,keep it Otago Settlers,and did they? Did they fuck!

The slow but steady broification of Aotearoa ,formerly New Zealand.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/307596/no-regrets-over-buying-leg-irons-cull
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June 30, 2014 7:23am
Nukuleka

I note that, in reporting that the sister of the boy accused of injuring his schoolmate emailed the Ministry of Education to report that he had been a victim of bullying, the Herald refers to her as a lesbian. Not sure quite what relevance this has to the story, except that it gives the Herald the chance to knock the school for its alleged view that lesbianism is actually unnatural! More anti-Christian slant from the media.
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June 30, 2014 7:42am
igm

Mallard trying to leech PI votes with another Labour bribe . . . these scum are irresponsible and worse than cornered rats. Cut immigration from those that work and support themselves, letting in PIs that will not work in an iron lung, how bloody reprehensible. Long may Labour and their left-wing scum suckers remain in the gutters.
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June 30, 2014 7:47am
kowtow

Religion of peace at work.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/06/deadly-attacks-nigeria-churches-2014629134243447377.html
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June 30, 2014 7:50am
kowtow

“flipper (3,420 comments) says:
June 29th, 2014 at 10:16 pm
Delighted to note that J Key’s email message today was correctly non PC.

He referred to Wanganui as Wanganui.

*** “Whirokino Trestle Bridge replacement, in Manawatu/Wanganui”

Excellent start. Long may he continue. ”

Nope,scrapping the maori seats would be an excellent start.
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June 30, 2014 7:53am
EAD

@ Kowtow – that really is extraordinary.

Buying leg irons because he wanted to believe they were used to imprison Maori. This cringe-worthy self-hating and completely distorted view of history is a disease that is tearing our nation apart.

I read this article over the weekend that talked about the same thing:

http://blog.eternalvigilance.me/2014/06/my-speech-for-the-1law4all-party-2014-agm-tim-wikiriwhi-17-june-hamilton/

Some sections:
“The socialists have used their virtual monopoly in Education to indoctrinate our youth with their racist propaganda. They have been systematically brainwashing the youth of New Zealand… propagating a falsified History, and a diabolical race based political ideology for 40 years. Thus today while older generations have witnessed this scandal taking place before their eyes, and can remember a time when New Zealanders were proud of their colonial heritage, Sadly the Younger generations to a large extent, have been sold a completely distorted view. They have been taught that Europeans Invaded New Zealand and Raped and pillaged the country out of sheer Greed……..

It is because of the sheer scale with which the lies that underpin treaty separatism have been foistered upon the population, including that absolute repudiation of the principle of Equality before the law… the Socialist doctrine of ‘Indigenous rights’ which is an ‘Anti-British imperialism doctrine specifically invented with the purposeful intent of Dividing and conquering western nations for Marxism…..This truly is an ideological struggle.”

The author concludes that like Central Banking and the global warming fiction there has been an awakening amongst the general populace as the educational marrxists monopoly on education is diminishing as the truth can now be accesed at the click of a button and he notes “people are questioning the injustice of being treated as second class citizens in their own country and why they are being expected to Pay for supposed ‘wrongs’ committed generations before they were even born, to people claiming to have been wronged… Generations before they were even born”
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June 30, 2014 7:55am
Lance

Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11284284

Te he he he
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June 30, 2014 8:00am
UglyTruth

Religion of peace at work.

Religion of sacrifice at work

Marks on the bones of nearly 800 children found in a Roman Catholic Nun septic tank indicated they had been ritually killed a source within the Irish Garda police force revealed this week.
http://childabuserecovery.com/decapitated-dismembered-children-in-catholic-mass-grave-site-were-ritually-murdered/
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June 30, 2014 8:11am
EAD

Congratulations must also go to John Key, for winning the Joseph Goebbels propaganda award for “most inane & delusional self promotion “. (see below)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152546967095429&set=a.10152390888885429.1073741858.12635800428&type=1&theater

This image comes with the byline NZ is now “a much more confident, Self assured and successful nation and that matters to me”

I would expect Bob Mugabe, Kim Il Jung or another Socialist crackpot from a banana to issue such simplistic propaganda but not the leader of a mature democracy.

I think a better caption might be “NZ is now a highly indebted country, on a downward spiral of liberty and is becoming less civilized as witnessed by the litany of depraved crimes we are now seeing. This has happened as both ourselves and Labour have followed the progressive ethos of centralisation of power by the State”

Also a question worth asking is – Are we really even a nation anymore?

Nation (Noun): A large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory
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June 30, 2014 8:12am
Lance

So UT are you saying the Catholics did bad things historically, therefore it’s OK for the extremist Islamic’s to behave like rock apes?… actually that’s an insult… to rock apes.

If you aren’t saying that, then WTF are you saying?
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June 30, 2014 8:15am
lilman

I tried to oppress the wife this morning before work and got a reminder that life is short and her temper is even shorter.

Maori are making money,if it’s there, some will use that system.
For the rest of the hard-working maori ,today is just another day to earn honest money and keep the wolf from the door.
Never forget the majority can easily be tainted by the lunatic fringe.
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June 30, 2014 8:17am
EAD

Martin Armstrong warns of the likelihood of civil unrest across the world as the unsustainable welfare states the West has built up since WWII falter and fail as the numbers make them impossible, particularly as the number of makers continues to shrink in relation to the number of takers where here in NZ under a notionally “right-wing” government, you can get WFF even if you are earning over $200k p.a!! (reminds me Nietzsche quotes “Insanity in individuals is something rare – but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule”)

Armstrong opines: “The greatest problem we have is misinformation. People simply do not comprehend why and how the economic policies of the post-war era are imploding. This whole agenda of socialism has sold a Utopian idea that the State is there for the people yet it is run by lawyers following their own self-interest.”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-28/martin-armstrong-warns-civil-unrest-rising-everywhere-wont-end-pretty

The other thing that will cause civil unrest in the sheer disconnect between the political elites and the populations they rule over (as opposed to being governed). In the USA, even the sheeple are starting to ask why they are having to live in a police state to supposedly protects us from terrorists, when the government orders the border patrol to stand down and leave the border wide open…

The current US border situation tells me that the country’s leadership class simply does not give a shit about the wishes of its citizens; this is, of course, nothing new, but now the elites don’t even pretend to hide their opinion:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/06/28/Pelosi-on-the-Border-We-Have-to-Use-This-Crisis-as-an-Opportunity
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June 30, 2014 8:30am
ShawnLH

“So UT are you saying the Catholics did bad things historically, therefore it’s OK for the extremist Islamic’s to behave like rock apes?”

That’s what he’s saying, except in this case he is just spinning one of his usual fact free conspiracy theories. It will be “ritually sacrificed by Zionist/Alien/Lizard shapeshifters” next.
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June 30, 2014 8:33am
Dom Knots

Fuck it. I’m going for a 30 pointer this morning by daring to say the sneering and distasteful racism on this blog is unbelieveable – particularly from the ‘i love jesus’ division.
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June 30, 2014 8:40am
Judith

@ Dom Knots (104 comments) says:
June 30th, 2014 at 8:40 am

That is what you get for allowing reality to get in the way of the Master Illusion. These people don’t like the truth – after all, most vote National!! 😛

There, fixed it, this post will now get more bad ticks than yours!!! 😉
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June 30, 2014 8:54am
ShawnLH

Quid pro quo Clarice, quid pro quo. 🙂

Comedian Tim Hawkins talks The Atheist Summer Camp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXXGv2V-JD8
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June 30, 2014 8:56am
hj

Thought police alert:

The Sunday Star Times is being accused of sensationalising and impeding race relations.

Its reporting of of an Asia New Zealand Foundation survey has been criticised by the Human Rights Commission.

The Foundation’s research showed 44 percent of Maori polled thought New Zealanders felt less warm towards people from Asia. But the newspaper’s headline for the story read: ‘Maori dislike of Asian immigration deepens’.

Indigenous Rights Commissioner Karen Johansen said a complaint has been sent to the Sunday Star Times, and a meeting had been sought with the editor. She said when she saw the article, she could not believe what she was reading.

Karen Johansen said she read it three times and was left with the impression it was inaccurate.

The Human Rights Commission pointed out that some of New Zealand’s first pioneers came from China. It said Asian New Zealanders did not arrive yesterday, and they have been an integral part of the nation since its birth.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/248514/newspaper-%27impeding%27-race-relations

Professor Spoonley (himself) said (ahem) “Maori are less convinced [of the abounding benefits]”

Clydesdale has been proved right too (I would think).
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these are important points as in any discussion on immigration propnents will say “now we know how the Maori felt” to which the reply is “Maori are more concerned about immigration (from Asia) than anyone else.
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June 30, 2014 8:57am
Dom Knots

damn you all the way to hell, Judith!
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June 30, 2014 8:59am
Changeiscoming

Lets not get carried away with the polls. Let us remember the polls two or three months out before the last election. National were polling higher 3 years ago and Labour about the same or lower. This election is going to be even closer than 2011.
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June 30, 2014 8:59am
Judith

igm (1,273 comments) says:
June 30th, 2014 at 7:47 am
Mallard trying to leech PI votes with another Labour bribe . . .

I agree, its disgusting isn’t it … just as bad as some pathetic politician going all the way to their home country, and making a fool of himself, trying to do the hula with them, just to win votes. Absolutely shocking and of no positive benefit to the country, especially as they only bother on Election years – do they think people don’t notice the date?
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June 30, 2014 9:00am
Gulag1917

Chinese teens entering the USA via Central America…
http://nypost.com/2014/06/29/hundreds-of-chinese-teens-enter-u-s-through-central-america/
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June 30, 2014 9:05am
ShawnLH

An atheist was seated next to a little girl on an airplane and he turned to her and said, “Do you want to talk? Flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.”

The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to the total stranger, “What would you want to talk about?”

” Oh, I don’t know,” said the atheist. “How about why there is no God, or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death?” as he smiled smugly.

“OK,” she said. “Those could be interesting topics but let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff – grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?”

The atheist, visibly surprised by the little girl’s intelligence, thinks about it and says, “Hmmm, I have no idea.” To which the little girl replies, “Do you really feel qualified to discuss why there is no God, or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death, when you don’t know crap?” And then she went back to reading her book.

🙂
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June 30, 2014 9:13am
Gulag1917

Ready for the financial meltdown?
Central Bankers Issue Strong Warning on Asset Bubbles
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/30/business/international/central-bankers-issue-strong-warning-on-asset-bubbles.html
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June 30, 2014 9:15am
minus

Word from deep inside Labour is that Grant Robertson has the numbers to roll David Cunliffe, but they’re keeping him out front to take all the bullets in a WEEKEND AT BERNIES kind of election slapstick – Cameron Slater

They did that last time, and so are they expecting a different result?

Labour has engineered themselves into exactly the same position as they were last Election –

• fronted by a leader they will dump as soon as he looses the Election

• having no one else step forward, which means they prioritize their secure post-Election position before actually serving the Party by endeavouring to reduce the amount it looses by – otherwise called sacrifice, integrity and devotion to belief.

• record in Opposition – changed Leaders twice, joined momentarily with the Greens to fuck the price National could get for the by then legitimate assets sales, changed Leader yet again, with three candidates spouting policy not confirmed by the annual Conference.

• nationally slap the “face” of donors to the Party, creating their own fuss that drowns out their own policy releases, which is actually fortunate when the policies are such as Baby Bonus [not a single child benefits unless born after April 1, 2016]; Big Tool – dicking around with interest rates that are really set by USA banks; beneficiaries [probably half-cut] to work in forestry, New Zealand’s most dangerous industry; and cut immigration by greater re-unification of Pacific Island families; and onwards … but not upwards …

and now their only hope says –
“After David’s had three or four terms as Prime Minister, it could be my turn.” – Grant Robinson.

How unbelievably gay is that? 🙂 – utterly hypocritical or totally out of touch.
Either way, really unfit to govern.
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June 30, 2014 9:17am
nasska

UglyTruth

Just read your 8.11am & I’m shaken.

….”Marks on the bones of nearly 800 children found in a Roman Catholic Nun septic tank indicated they had been ritually killed a source within the Irish Garda police force revealed this week.”…..

Up until now I thought the deaths were a routine matter of simple neglect & beatings but you have broken through the secrecy to reveal another layer of horror.

The truth, however sordid, must be revealed….keep up the good work.
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June 30, 2014 9:21am
Nostalgia-NZ

There are those that follow politics closely as though every political event could be a game changer, they will rehash the past to mine for comparisons in order to predict the outcome, they will repeat biased comments or lies as mantras to block out any other opinions, they will live in a type of fear as to what will happen if an election doesn’t go the way that suits them, they will spread that fear as best they can, they will bicker and appear less than human in their pursuit of bringing the ‘greater good’ to the greater majority. Then there are the others, don’t care, or deciding on a whim which way they may vote if in fact they do vote, looking for what best suits them in the policy bites, who see little difference between one party and the next, who think that all politicians are crooks or who have a ‘fair’ trust in authority to do the best thing – this second group is the majority and they can never be forgotten, particularly in the time when their vote becomes critical which is now.

Wouldn’t it be something if the bitterness and one up man ship disappeared in the next few weeks instead of intensifying as it surely will, but it seems we don’t have politicians of that type because really they are all the same despite under which flag they may form their ‘orderly’ lines and repeat, and repeat, their claims by rote.
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June 30, 2014 9:28am
UglyTruth

So UT are you saying the Catholics did bad things historically, therefore it’s OK for the extremist Islamic’s to behave like rock apes?

No. The point is that the most notable crimes associated with Christianity focus on the abuse of children, either sexual abuse (or in the case of Tuam, ritual killings of children), while the most notable crimes associated with Islam typically involve violence as a means to political ends. Christianity also has it’s share of similar violence, eg the Crusades.

The recent account from the Garda of forensic evidence of decapitation and dismemberment is similar to the accounts of witnesses to Ninth Circle ceremonies involving the sacrifice of children.

The relationship between sacrifice and and Satanism is hinted at in the first chapter of the book of Job. Human sacrifice is the central of Pauline Christianity, but this theme is not present in Islam.
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June 30, 2014 9:41am
MT_Tinman

minus (120 comments) says:
June 30th, 2014 at 9:17 am

• fronted by a leader they will dump as soon as he looses the Election

Is he going to untie it or something?

This is not a typo.

I agree with most of your post but piss poor spelling makes it hard to take seriously.
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June 30, 2014 9:43am
flipper

Gulag1917 (553 comments) says:

June 30th, 2014 at 9:05 am

Chinese teens entering the USA via Central America…
http://nypost.com/2014/06/29/hundreds-of-chinese
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Questions: Did not the Chinese set up emigration programmes to reduce their population?
Were there not agreements on this with South American nations?

Just questions, not arguments.
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June 30, 2014 9:45am
Chthoniid

@ShawnLH

Pathetic

If your faith requires you to resort to petty insults and extraordinary strawman arguments, no wonder people are turning their backs on it.
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June 30, 2014 9:47am
mikenmild

nasska
I’d hold off on congratulating Ugly if I were you. I’d be very surprised if this story of ‘ritual killings’ was substantiated.
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June 30, 2014 9:49am
kowtow

“nasska (10,334 comments) says:
June 30th, 2014 at 9:21 am
UglyTruth

Just read your 8.11am & I’m shaken.

….”Marks on the bones of nearly 800 children found in a Roman Catholic Nun septic tank indicated they had been ritually killed a source within the Irish Garda police force revealed this week.”…..

Up until now I thought the deaths were a routine matter of simple neglect & beatings but you have broken through the secrecy to reveal another layer of horror.

The truth, however sordid, must be revealed….keep up the good work.

Vote: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1”

Bwahahahahahahahaha

“The truth” is that up to now n’arsekisser has pretended to be in the rational brigade.

But his OCD and anti Catholic bigotry has revealed he’s a paid up ,card carrying member of the Conspiracy Theory,Tin Foil Hat wearing ,lunatic fringe along with Fugly.

hahahahahahahaha.
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June 30, 2014 9:56am
mikenmild

Yes, the story was bad enough – dumping kids’ bodies in a septic tank – without inventing stories about ritual killings.
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June 30, 2014 10:00am
Redbaiter

The OCD crowd, Narsekissa, Clintonoid, Ugly etc are turning GD into lunatic alley.
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June 30, 2014 10:00am
kowtow

There has never been evidence of “dumping”.Even the author of the report acknowledged that…….keep up the sensationalism.

Red

“Lunatic Alley?” Too right. They even take the side of the islamic enemy in respect of the civilisational struggles the west has historically faced.Evil crusades blah blah……..
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June 30, 2014 10:04am
Redbaiter

Yes well, they’re “socially liberal” you know.

Its all the fashion with the chattering classes.

But don’t make the mistake of thinking that liberalism extends to Christianity or Conservatives.

Go there and we’re back to a degree of bigotry and intolerance that would surprise the KKK.
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June 30, 2014 10:06am
Griff

Redblather projection is a facet of your delusional mindset.
This is a liberal blog. You are the conservative interloper spraying his insane political delusions on a liberal blog site.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
DPF
Political Views

I self identify as a classical liberal, which the Institute for Liberal Values of New Zealand succinctly summarises as a belief in individual rights, limited government, private property, free markets, tolerance, and reason.

Conservonutters are always here trolling
Its the only way they can get any attention for their insanity. They don’t have their own popular blogs because they are so restrictive and anti freedom no one except fellow wingnuts bothers to read their rubbish.
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June 30, 2014 10:12am
stephieboy

UglyTruth (3,761 comments) says:
June 30th, 2014 at 9:41 am

“….The relationship between sacrifice and and Satanism is hinted at in the first chapter of the book of Job. Human sacrifice is the central of Pauline Christianity, but this theme is not present in Islam.”

Stupefying nonsense ,but then in the wake of your panoply of the absurd 9/11 etc , no surprises really.
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June 30, 2014 10:13am
Redbaiter

Oh, should have pointed out-

by KKK I mean the Klu Klux Klan, not the Kiwiblog Kommie Klub.

Very easy to confuse the two.
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June 30, 2014 10:14am
publicwatchdog

Mark my words. National putting all their eggs in the ‘Team Key’ / ‘Man from Merrill Lynch’s basket is going to be a political disaster. As the truth about John Keys role in the Global Financial Crisis is revealed – watch his and National’s political fortunes go down the gurgler …… hint ….. Glass Steagall Act. – repealed November 1999. What was the effect of the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act? Where was John Key working at this time? What was his role? Penny Bright (future MP for Helensville? 🙂
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June 30, 2014 10:17am
Redbaiter

Oh heck, Grief is upset that I missed him out.

Ok, I’ll write it again Grief, and this time, you’re mentioned.

The OCD crowd, Narsekissa, Clintonoid, Ugly, Grief etc are turning GD into lunatic alley.

Happy now?
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June 30, 2014 10:18am
igm

Judith: Time you visited another parlour; shame your friend Corkery’s venture turned out to be a loser . . . seems a left-wing problem.
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June 30, 2014 10:18am
dime

I was listening to a guy yesterday talking about the lefts favourite new thing “inequality”.

He basically said that the left think like they always do, the pie is a certain size and thats it.

The left are focusing on how much wealth they have but it comes down to resource consumption. Gathering wealth, having money in the bank isnt consuming resources.

If you look at where we were 100 years ago, resoruce consumption is closer than its ever been. the poor are far better off than they have ever been. hell, issues facing most struggling kiwis are – insulation in their house, the cost of sky multiroom etc.

in summary- piss off with your bleating about inequality.
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June 30, 2014 10:25am
Yoza

Redbaiter (7,318 comments) says:
June 30th, 2014 at 10:00 am

The OCD crowd, Narsekissa, Clintonoid, Ugly etc are turning GD into lunatic alley.

Yeah, … them and only them. I seem to recall a saying involving stones and glass houses.
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June 30, 2014 10:28am
dime

The Herald in Day 3 of trying to guilt me (just me i’m sure) about judging a 15 year old girl for being pregnant. I’m a nice guy, i’ll promise not to judge if she promises not to live off my tax money aka charity. That is all.
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June 30, 2014 10:28am
Redbaiter

Dime, its not only inequality that is a myth but every other idea that the left have dragged into the parlour as well.

Inequality, sexism, homo-“phobia”, racism, are all just weapons for the left.

All part of a recognised Marxist strategy designed to split our society into warring groups and weaken it so the left can rise to power.

An homogeneous united society would never elect the left to power.

For democracy to work to the advantage of the left, we have to be split into warring groups. The more the better.

So when you give credence to all of those ideas, you’re only helping the left, and giving them the oxygen their strategy is designed to deliver to them. By pandering to those ideas, we’re only allowing the left to manipulate us.

Its strategy.
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June 30, 2014 10:34am
Redbaiter

“Yeah, … them and only them. I seem to recall a saying involving stones and glass houses.”

That’s Yoza said that. One of the craziest commies around, and he’s reaching out to help and support his OCD buddies.
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June 30, 2014 10:35am
stephieboy

EAD (469 comments) says:
June 30th, 2014 at 8:30 am

Martin Armstrong it emerges has a rather dubious track record that includes 7 years in a penitentiary for Securities exchange fraud. He claims to have predicted 9/11 but only informed of this after the event. Hmmm…
He predicted the imminent economic decline for Japan back in 1998 at about this time but is in fact showing signs of recovery .

Possibly the mother of all his claims is about the conspiracy behind the collapse of WTC 7,

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/25/russia-leaks-on-911-oops-didnt-think-of-that-one/
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June 30, 2014 10:40am
mikenmild

Racism just another myth, Reddy?
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June 30, 2014 10:41am
Redbaiter

That most of all, and also used in all kinds of other cowardly ways.

Namely false allegations to silence critcs.
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June 30, 2014 10:46am
SGA

mikenmild at 9:49 am

nasska
I’d hold off on congratulating Ugly if I were you. I’d be very surprised if this story of ‘ritual killings’ was substantiated.

kowtow at 9:56 am

But his OCD and anti Catholic bigotry has revealed he’s a paid up ,card carrying member of the Conspiracy Theory,Tin Foil Hat wearing ,lunatic fringe along with Fugly.

And here I was thinking that nasska was just having a little fun with UT?
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June 30, 2014 10:47am
mikenmild

Never encountered real racism Reddy?
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June 30, 2014 10:49am
publicwatchdog

Ok Kiwibloggers – any thoughts on this one? How many National voters have stayed home. and not voted because they can’t stomach the ‘Man from Merrill Lynch’ / ‘Poodle of Wall St’ John Key and his servile, slobbering pro-U$A lap dog / lacKEY policies? Penny Bright – defending decent INDEPENDENT Kiwi values.
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June 30, 2014 10:50am
stephieboy

Redbaiter

“So when you give credence to all of those ideas, you’re only helping the left, and giving them the oxygen their strategy is designed to deliver to them. By pandering to those ideas, we’re only allowing the left to manipulate us.

Its strategy.”

Or a Conspiracy. ? Duh.!

.”….allowing to the left to manipulate us .” ????

Have you lost the capacity to think independently for yourself.??
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June 30, 2014 10:53am
kowtow

SGA

Nope n’arse wasn’t taking the piss or having fun. He is literally off his rocker.He’ll cling to any nonsense if it gives him a stick to beat those baby eating left footers.

He has in the past tried to pass it off as fun or getting a rise,but today is definitive proof,as if needed,he is a deluded lunatic.
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June 30, 2014 10:55am
Scott

nasska– Please don’t go to ugly truth for your source of information. He is the same fellow who thinks that 911 is a CIA conspiracy.

But yes if you must believe that the Catholic Church has been ritually killing small children and dumping them in a septic tank as part of a Satanist plot then I guess you’ll believe anything?
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June 30, 2014 10:55am
stigie

The OCD crowd, Narsekissa, Clintonoid, Ugly, Grief etc are turning GD into lunatic alley.

Im pissed off you left me out Reddy, really i am…please rewrite it !~
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June 30, 2014 10:57am
kowtow

Dime,Red

“Inequality”

I went to a public lecture at a leading university where some bespectacled bloke was giving a public lecture ( having already given the students the benefit of his marxism) .

I forget his name and title but he was touted as a guy who gives the gummint advice on social policy and the talk was organised through the Dept of Theology.(I think)

To sum up ,after expounding on definitions ,causes, outcomes and examples of evil right wing thinking the conclusion was

“Only the government has the coercive power to ensure the implementation of equality in our society” This was greeted by vigorous applause.

Very frightening.
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June 30, 2014 11:02am
lilman

God this fixation with Merrill/lynch ,key and big business,it’s just pathetic.

Get a grip.

Didnt like Clarke,but she was what she was,a person who believed she was doing good,even if she was not my cup of tea.
Key is the same,he’s doing what he believes,deal with it.
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June 30, 2014 11:07am
Redbaiter

“This was greeted by vigorous applause.”

Yes, rather than teach our children critical thinking and other essential skills, the communist scum perverting our education system are producing schools of whitebait.
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June 30, 2014 11:12am
mikenmild

I like whitebait.
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June 30, 2014 11:13am
srylands

Now The Standard wants me dead 🙂 I am sure this breaches even their terms and conditions.

” I suggest you fuck off [srylands], preferably a quick pass out of this world into the one now occupied by Roger(spit)Kerr…”

“http://thestandard.org.nz/polity-rops-roads-of-political-significance/#comment-841617

BTW this was in response to a perfectly reasonable comment by me 🙂
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June 30, 2014 11:14am
Jack5

Dunedin’s politically correct ~~Commissar~~ Mayor, Dave Cull, looks an idiot after splurging out to buy what were purportedly shackles that held Maori prisoners after the land wars and uprisings. It turns out they were shackles for a camel!

As I recall, it was Cull’s vote that led to the Early Settlers’ Museum being renamed the Toitu Otago Settlers’ Museum.

What is it about Far South and mayors? Old Hippy Shadbolt in Invercargill, and worse, PC Cull in Dunedin.

And the latter city could have had Pete George for Mayor!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11284475
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June 30, 2014 11:19am
Fletch

Marks on the bones of nearly 800 children found in a Roman Catholic Nun septic tank indicated they had been ritually killed a source within the Irish Garda police force revealed this week.

Actually I don’t buy the story.
Even the first sentence is inaccurate.

Marks on the bones of nearly 800 children found in a Roman Catholic Nun septic tank indicated….

As far as I’m aware, 800 bodies have not been found; nor has any excavation has been made. I can’t find any reputable stories on it. Nor could 800 bodies fit into a septic tank (which wasn’t a septic tank).

I don’t buy it.

The truth is that nearly 800 children died at the home during its long history, from natural causes and diseases. The woman who researched it just wanted to give the children that died there some kind of plaque or marker to signify that they died there. That number of bodies has not been found, or excavated.
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June 30, 2014 11:20am
doggone7

“As I recall, it was Cull’s vote that led to the Early Settlers’ Museum being renamed the Toitu Otago Settlers’ Museum.”

Did the name change because he was the only one who wanted that? Does it stop you calling it the “Settlers’ Museum” (or whatever)?
Does the name change mean people’s use, enjoyment or education from the place is diminished?
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June 30, 2014 11:24am
Fletch

Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis

Don’t look now, but maybe a scientific consensus exists concerning global warming after all. Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem.

The survey results show geoscientists (also known as earth scientists) and engineers hold similar views as meteorologists.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/
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June 30, 2014 11:25am
kowtow

“stigie (827 comments) says:
June 30th, 2014 at 10:57 am
The OCD crowd, Narsekissa, Clintonoid, Ugly, Grief etc are turning GD into lunatic alley.

Im pissed off you left me out Reddy, really i am…please rewrite it !~”

Yes I’ve noticed how “stigie” comes along to certain debates,desperate to be included in n’asrekissers’ sad gang of anti Catholic losers.

Amazing the lengths some people will go to be seen to be part of the “in crowd”.
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June 30, 2014 11:37am
igm

The scourge of media, “Manawatu Standard”, has run a poll on National’s roading policy. Talk about a loaded questionnaire, it is a disgrace. Evidently, they have limited time to get their ship in order, or it is going to become another bi-weekly community giveaway. Looking at their advertising/news ratio, it will not be long . . . thank God.
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June 30, 2014 11:40am
Jack5

Where does the YMCA sit in today’s society? It and the YWCA were founded more than a century and a half ago to cater for and provide accommodation for young men and women who moved to cities in the industrial age. The YMCA goal was to create healthy pastimes as an alternative to the chief local attractions, which would probably have been taverns and brothels.

Christchurch had a great YMCA locally funded, but in the rebuild this is what is planned for it:

A $6 million swimming pool and squash facility, a theatre and an art venue.

The 25m pool will be complemented by a smaller pool and there will be six squash courts.

Being in the central business district, the users will predominantly be business folk, though I note the renewed Christchurch Y says there will be scholarships to help kids learn to swim.

The Y’s of the world have been great facilities, and it will be sad if, in the Age of Debt and Consumerism, they are merely relics from the vigorous Industrial Age.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/10213445/Chch-YMCAs-6m-rebuild-plan
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June 30, 2014 11:42am
Redbaiter

“Did the name change because he was the only one who wanted that? Does it stop you calling it the “Settlers’ Museum” (or whatever)? Does the name change mean people’s use, enjoyment or education from the place is diminished?”

You fuckers who constantly attack and or undermine our traditions and our culture just might face a reckoning one day. You ought to think about that boyo.
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June 30, 2014 11:45am
kowtow

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/214592/toitu-official-after-mayor-casts-vote

Not necessarily the name:the process, a racist ,arrogant process that flew in the face of “consultation”.

Education? You can be damn sure the re education there will be enhanced to a level of out right racist propaganda.
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June 30, 2014 11:47am
UglyTruth

“Marks on the bones of nearly 800 children found in a Roman Catholic Nun septic tank indicated they had been ritually killed a source within the Irish Garda police force revealed this week.”

Actually I don’t buy the story.

Fair enough. It’s just a single source, unless you count the other witnesses who describe ritual killings involving senior RC people.

Even the first sentence is inaccurate.

How’s that?

“Marks on the bones of nearly 800 children found in a Roman Catholic Nun septic tank indicated….”

As far as I’m aware, 800 bodies have not been found;

So what? The report didn’t say that 800 bodies has been found.

nor has any excavation has been made.

Again, so what?

I can’t find any reputable stories on it.

Reputable, meaning something that doesn’t implicate the church in ritual satanic abuse?

Nor could 800 bodies fit into a septic tank (which wasn’t a septic tank).

AFAIK It wasn’t being used as a septic tank. It was a septic tank that was converted into a crypt.
Do you know how large it was?

The truth is that nearly 800 children died at the home during its long history, from natural causes and diseases.

That doesn’t explain the forensic evidence from the Garda.
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June 30, 2014 11:51am
Redbaiter

“Yes I’ve noticed how “stigie” comes along to certain debates,desperate to be included in n’asrekissers’ sad gang of anti Catholic losers.”

Yeah. I’m fairly indifferent to Stigies crap actually. To me he’s always come across as a yapping leg humping little poodle.
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June 30, 2014 11:52am
Pete George

I don’t have a problem with the name of the museum (it was originally the “Early Settlers Museum”), it’s reasonable to acknowledge the earliest settlers, but as kowotow says the naming process was crap.
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June 30, 2014 11:53am
stephieboy

Redbaiter, , there you go again personalizing the debate by attacking the individual with your liberal use of the F word.Am sure the name change will not stop peoples enjoyment and use of the museum and those visiting will likely out of habit revert to the original name.
It’s absurd to suggest ,as appears to be the case ,democracy has not been nailed to a cross by this “dastardly and evil “deed.
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June 30, 2014 11:54am
Griff

Fletch (5,919 comments) says:
June 30th, 2014 at 11:25 am
Fletch Your geo scientists story is bullshit for the really stupid.
A survey of oil industry management.
😆
James Taylor is a lawyer paid to confuse the idiots of this world.
Works a treat on you.
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June 30, 2014 11:55am
Don the Kiwi

Wow.

Early in the day – and in the week – for the idiot fringe dwelling atheists to come on the attack so soon. They need to keep their powder dry .

Good old Fugly. Full of crap as usual. The Rip van Winkel of Kiwiblog.
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June 30, 2014 12:01pm
UglyTruth

Please don’t go to ugly truth for your source of information. He is the same fellow who thinks that 911 is a CIA conspiracy.

That’s not what I think. If you don’t believe that there was a conspiracy, then can you explain the presence of molten steel in the debris pile at NY?

But yes if you must believe that the Catholic Church has been ritually killing small children and dumping them in a septic tank as part of a Satanist plot then I guess you’ll believe anything?

Not the Church itself, exceptions exist: Monsignor John Day wasn’t typical of your average Catholic.

How much of a jump is it from paedophile networks and the genocide of children (Canadian residential schools) to satanic rituals involving children?
Don’t forget the Saville was allegedly involved in satanic rituals. It’s about as far from the first commandment – be fruitful and multiply – as you can get.
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June 30, 2014 12:06pm
Judith

publicwatchdog (1,993 comments) says:
June 30th, 2014 at 10:17 am
Mark my words. National putting all their eggs in the ‘Team Key’ …

You’re following the wrong Twit my dear. #TEAMKEY has been superseded by the new and proactive #REAMKEY, or #TEAMONKEY not to mention quite a few more tasteful versions of the new catch phrase that are appearing on twitter.

According to TVONE, #TEAMKEY has been Hijacked and is getting National just the attention they deserve. Oh Dear.

http://tvnz.co.nz/technology-news/national-s-teamkey-hijacked-6015092
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June 30, 2014 12:09pm
UglyTruth

Good old Fugly. Full of crap as usual.

So you’re saying that the Tuam children were not decapitated or dismembered, Don?

Since Catholics would never abuse children, apart from the paedeophiles.
And they would never be involved in a satanic practice like blood drinking, not even symbolically, except for communion.
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June 30, 2014 12:14pm
stephieboy

“How the lunacy behind Satanic Ritual abuse ” has lead to Modern witch hunts.

Background,

https://web.archive.org/web/20011223153001/http://www.vix.com/pub/men/falsereport/wsj-witchhunt.html

and it’s fraudulent promotion,

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse

and,

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume10/j10_8.htm

with conclusions,

Summary

“The numerous social and cultural forces that gave rise to the widespread belief in SRA coalesced at a time in which American society was undergoing significant transformation. New societal fears about cults, child pornography, rising crime, family instability, and a growing concern for children’s safety, all contributed to the belief in the ritual abuse of children. Fueled by media sensationalism, these apprehensions and concerns became further enhanced by a growing self-help movement and counseling industry based on defining life’s problems in terms of addictions and one’s status as a victim. This was then coupled with the renewed ideological belief that present day problems stem from early childhood trauma and family dysfunction. This paved the way, in part, for the rise of an increasingly profitable therapeutic enterprise built on people’s fears and dissatisfaction.

Although many of these forces were interactive and intricately built upon one another, they must also be placed within the larger social context of the day in which real and unsettling changes in the industrial economy were accompanied by economic insecurity, changing family forms, and increasing anxiety about family stability and sex roles. It is the confluence of these multiple factors that made the climate ripe for a rumor panic about a satanic conspiracy that led otherwise reasonable people to believe in fantastic and unfounded accounts of satanic ritual abuse.”
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June 30, 2014 12:17pm
lilman

Labour forever!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bit like herpes.
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June 30, 2014 12:17pm
Tarquin North

On the subject of name changes, I see Mana want to change their name to Mana Movement. Bowel movement would be more suitable.
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June 30, 2014 12:20pm
kowtow

The Mana Movement would turn New Zealand into a bamana republic .

Bi culturalism would dictate it be a Baa mana republic.
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June 30, 2014 12:37pm
kowtow

Fuugly

Produce the “evidence” you keep citing. No links to X file type sites please. The Office of Commissioner of An Garda Siochana would be a good start.
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June 30, 2014 12:51pm
UglyTruth

It is the confluence of these multiple factors that made the climate ripe for a rumor panic about a satanic conspiracy that led otherwise reasonable people to believe in fantastic and unfounded accounts of satanic ritual abuse.”

Anyone who has researched the case of peter Ellis knows how hysteria can can drive an investigation of suspected SRA. However there is a also a significant body of evidence which shows SRA to be a matter of fact, and the facts often implicate the political elite, eg the Dutroux affair:

http://wikispooks.com/ISGP/dutroux/Belgian_X_dossiers_of_the_Dutroux_affair.htm

SATANIC sects involved in bizarre rites including human sacrifice are being linked by Belgian police with this summer’s string of grisly paedophile murders in which at least four children died.

Five witnesses came forward last week and described how black masses were held, at which children were killed in front of audiences said to have included prominent members of Belgian society. One investigator said it was “like going back to the Middle Ages”.

December 29, 1996, Sunday Times
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June 30, 2014 1:12pm
dime

srylands – that thread was hilarious.

i glance at the standard maybe once a week. they are getting more desperate and way angrier than usual.

it offends me a loser, communist there uses the name dimebag!
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June 30, 2014 1:23pm
Fletch

Fuugly

Produce the “evidence” you keep citing. No links to X file type sites please. The Office of Commissioner of An Garda Siochana would be a good start.

kowtow, yes, and the woman who wrote the article he cites, a Judy Byington, is kind of weird by all accounts. She claimed she was some kind of consultant of satanic crime for the Utah Attorney General’s office of Special Investigations but no one there had ever heard of her.

I decided to do a fact-check, and contacted the Utah Attorney General’s office on 28 October 2012, asking if that statement is true.

I received this statement from one of the Utah AG’s office’s attorneys on 30 October 2012

The site says Byington has acted as a consultant on satanic crime for the Utah AG’s Office since 2006. The Utah AG has not had any consultants on satanic crime since 2006 or any time, and certainly has not used Byington in any capacity including as a consultant, ever.

[…]

On 29 November 2012 I contacted the Utah AG office about Judy Byington’s comment […] On 30 November 2012 this was the reply:

Orphia, Byington’s statement is a lie. She may have talked to Reed Richards in 1994. He has not been in our office since January, 2001. Byington does not consult with the Utah AG’s Office on any subject. I am the division chief of the Children’s Justice Division in the AG’s office. My division prosecutes cases of child sexual abuse. If Byington had any relationship with our office, I would be the contact person and I would know of her involvement. I know with complete confidence that she does not have a relationship with our office either formally or informally.

Craig Barlow

Division Chief

http://www.dysgenics.com/2012/12/02/the-two-faces-of-judy-byington/

This Byington woman (who claims she is a consultant on satanic crime) is the one who wrote the story in Ugly’s link. It sounds like she likes to make things up to make herself sound important. I am seriously doubting she would have “a source within the Irish Garda police force” as her article claims.
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June 30, 2014 1:28pm
stephieboy

JREF to the rescue yet again . Note especially post 14 and the Conclusion,

The alleged Marc Dutroux conspiracy

Conclusion,

“….All conspiracy theories around the Dutroux case center around the testimony of a series of women who undoubtedly had suffered some sexual abuse, but gave in their testimony confabulated stories of large networks that were inspired by rumours already making the rounds in Belgium, on suggestive questioning and treatment by their therapists as well as by their police interrogators, and grafted stories from other sexual abuse victims, stories of missing children and general myth about satanic abuse networks onto that. This was, in fact, not the consequence of people in the Belgian justice and police stifling specific venues of investigation, but rather of the Belgian justice in the Fall of 1996 giving free rein to pursuing any venue possible, how idiotic it may be. By the time De Baets and his team was reined in, there was very much an attitude of “us against them”, believers against disbelievers. De Baets himself was too far gone that he can step back from his initial trust in the testimonies, that he is happy to repeat his story for, e.g., the BBC documentary in the OP, or another documentary that was broadcast on Dutch TV. The culture of clientelism – that hasn’t disappeared overnight – and the repeated claims of a cover-up by various people involved, and of course the general wish of certain people to believe in conspiracy theories, make that this conspiracy theory still goes around. ”

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=198693
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June 30, 2014 1:37pm
UglyTruth

it offends me a loser, communist there uses the name dimebag!

Imitation is the sincerest of flattery.
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