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June 26, 2014 5:24pm by David Farrar

General Debate 26 June 2014

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J Bloggs

Woohoo!!!! Finally!!!!
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June 26, 2014 5:29pm
Chuck Bird

I will be watching the news on TV 3 tonight for the poll results. Labour is polling 27.?

I will watch with interest what the minor parties get.
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June 26, 2014 5:33pm
jp_1983

Labour caucus united..
2 labour mp’s cross the floor
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June 26, 2014 5:42pm
stigie

Chuck Bird, it is early days yet for Labour !~
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June 26, 2014 5:42pm
Redbaiter

Kokila got a boyfriend at last?
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June 26, 2014 5:45pm
Manolo

Getting what the buggers deserve: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8865941/sydney-protester-stuck-in-malaysian-cell

A Sydney woman detained in Malaysia is still yet to learn if she will be charged or deported, five days after being arrested at an environmental protest. Natalie Lowrey and 15 Malaysian activists were arrested on Sunday outside the plant of Australian miner Lynas Corp in the eastern state of Pahang.

The group apparently broke through a police barricade while demonstrating against the plant, which they claim produces dangerous radioactive waste.
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June 26, 2014 5:46pm
lurcher1948

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
JOHN BOY key, all of NZ who have been made REDUNDANT love you….NOT
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June 26, 2014 5:48pm
Floyd60

I wonder if John Banks is still living at the Stamford Plaza hotel? If so, I wonder how much he is paying to stay there?
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June 26, 2014 5:51pm
Dom Knots

floyd, probably the same as lockwood smith in his renter in london. $7k a week
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June 26, 2014 6:01pm
David Garrett

Floyd: And that would be any business or a concern of yours…because?

He has resigned as an MP…he is now a private citizen…

Give it up boys…you’re out of your (little) league..
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June 26, 2014 6:02pm
Pete George

TV3 Reid Research Poll

National 49.7% (-0.6)
Labour 27.3% (-2.2)
Greens 12.7% (+2.5%
NZ First 3.6% (-2.0)
Conservative 2.8% (+0.5)
Internet-MANA 1.8%
Maori Party 1.5% (+0.9)
Act 0.4% (-0.1)
United Future 0

Conducted between June 19 and 25
http://www.3news.co.nz/Politics/3NewsReidResearchPoll.aspx
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June 26, 2014 6:05pm
cha

I wonder if John Banks is still living at the Stamford Plaza hotel?

So it was his car.
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June 26, 2014 6:06pm
Steve (North Shore)

A day without generally religious debate, the usual shit stirrers will be breaking down with withdrawal, snivelling in the corner :):):):)
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June 26, 2014 6:06pm
Redbaiter

Dunne deserves some credit for keeping the United Future vote pretty steady.
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June 26, 2014 6:09pm
thedavincimode

Thanks Pete. Put a green stamp on the back of your hand from me.

Sooo. 2.8%!!! The landslide has started.

Was it the Hugo Boss/Zegna photo shoot? Will he do the next one with his gear off?
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June 26, 2014 6:11pm
Redbaiter

Gosh here’s thedavaselinemode and guess what?

He’s trying oh so hard to be funny and ridicule people again.

A consistently sleazy smearing unfunny coward.
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June 26, 2014 6:13pm
Viking2

The world’s largest payment card company you’ve probably never heard of

coming to our neighbor hood.

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/6/19/china/worlds-largest-payment-card-company-youve-probably-never-heard
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June 26, 2014 6:15pm
thedavincimode

That was me on the old ticko Russ. You saved me the trouble. (I guess I saved you the trouble with the tick! 🙂 )

And I’m pleased to be the first to congratulate you on the success of your 20 year strategic plan. We’re only in – what is it – year twelve or thirteen?

In another 70 or so elections, you guys will be in the box seat.
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June 26, 2014 6:16pm
Redbaiter

“And I’m pleased to be the first to congratulate you on the success of your 20 year strategic plan.”

I’d say your more due congratulations than any one you useless commie sleaze.

Betraying the National Party and turning NZ into a one party commie state.

You must be pretty proud.

Snide Key suckhole.

Excrement and other obsessive scatological stuff coming up soon no doubt.
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June 26, 2014 6:19pm
Steve (North Shore)

Redblatter, there you are, insulting again.
Who is this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5hx3b6lkeyoelpf/Red%20Fox.jpg
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June 26, 2014 6:19pm
duggledog

27.3% shit that’s bad news for Labour, so close to the GE.

So, what would that 27.3% be composed of? Well, of course the lofos, Pacific Islanders, immigrants who came in under Helen Clark, but also self confessed ‘tribal’ voters like the very intelligent, articulate, by-all-accounts very affable Russell Brown –

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11281731

You have to ask, why? And… how? Either there’s a major synapse disconnected, or people like RB say they do… but in the privacy of the polling booth tick something entirely different.
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June 26, 2014 6:19pm
nasska

You have been warned:

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/36081ehqh3y6n16/CCCP%204.png
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June 26, 2014 6:20pm
Viking2

It is worth considering this issue in light of the larger issue of the growing inequality we have seen over the last three decades. Uber, like Amazon, has allowed a small number of people to become extremely rich by evading regulations and/or taxes that apply to their middle class competitors. Amazon and other Internet-based retailers have used their tax advantage to put tens of thousands brick and mortar stores out of business.

This is a pretty simple story. In a country where rules are enforced or not enforced to benefit the rich and screw the middle class, you will have increasing inequality and a middle class that is seeing few of the benefits of economic growth.

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-columns/op-eds-&-columns/the-sharing-economy-and-the-mystery-of-the-mystery-of-inequality
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June 26, 2014 6:20pm
kowtow

Steve (North Shore) (4,440 comments) says:
June 26th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
A day without generally religious debate, the usual shit stirrers will be breaking down with withdrawal, snivelling in the corner :):):):)

Alleluia,amen.
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June 26, 2014 6:20pm
thedavincimode

Floyd60

Putting aside the fact that he owns an apartment there, your question was apropos of …?
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June 26, 2014 6:21pm
Keeping Stock

Is there a Mike Moore in Labour’s current caucus who’s prepared to take one for the team, and stem Labour’s bleeding at the polls? Three months out, and 3News/Reid Research has Labour polling lower than the 2011 election, and Cunliffe mired in single figures as preferred PM.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/more-poll-misery-for-labour-and-mr.html
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June 26, 2014 6:21pm
David Garrett

Oh Russell…you’re just sad mate…sad…

KS: I think, whether he likes it or not, Mr Cunliffe is going to do a Mike Moore isn’t he?? …and then stabbed by Grant a couple of months later…

I will never forget Moore pleading with Clark on live TV to pledge her loyalty to him…and her cold dead eyes revealing exactly what she was going to do…I hated the bitch from then on…
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June 26, 2014 6:21pm
calendar girl

Thanks, PG. I’m not sure how reliable this particular poll is, but that significant drop for NZ First is welcome. Those who don’t want Parliamentary standards to degenerate any further may be about to see the back of the disgraceful Winston Peters at long last.
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June 26, 2014 6:23pm
Redbaiter

Not as sad as you loser.

Thrown bawling out of parliament and reduced to scrawling like a dithering old fool on someone else’s blog.
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June 26, 2014 6:24pm
Steve (North Shore)

Leave them while they’re quiet kowtow.
An evening General Debate could become like WhaleOil’s Backchat – heeeyyyyy, was this an experiment?
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June 26, 2014 6:24pm
Pete George

RB: “turning NZ into a one party commie state.”

We’ve had MMP for two decades and over that time have always had multi-party government.

The biggest worry from this election is the possibility of too many parties being needed to form a coalition.

But why let reality get in the way of another gormless cut and paste.
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June 26, 2014 6:24pm
dad4justice

“I hate the bitch from then on…”

Not as much as I do you sad arse prick.

Pete George you are the meaning of gormless.
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June 26, 2014 6:25pm
thedavincimode

and reduced to a scrawling like a dithering old fool on someone else’s blog

He said it folks …
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June 26, 2014 6:26pm
Odakyu-sen

If the poll is anything to go by, Labour voters outnumber Conservatives voters by only about 10 to 1.

Go Sparta!
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June 26, 2014 6:26pm
Redbaiter

“He said it folks …”

Why don’t you FO and write another commie briefing paper for your lapdog John Key?
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June 26, 2014 6:28pm
Ross12

I got linked to this site today. A series of videos from a conference last month. I have started looking at the first one –very interesting for the political history buffs ( esp. recent USA politics)

http://www.augustforecast.com/
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June 26, 2014 6:28pm
Pete George

cg – single polls aren’t reliable, you have to watch trends.

Roy Morgan – NZ First 4% (-0.5)
Fairfax/IPSOS – NZ First 3.2% (-0.5)
3 News/Reid research – NZ First 3.6% (-2.0)

Winston will be hoping for another late campaign surge his way. He is showing signs he’s well past his best but as usual he will be on the lookout for media opportunities.
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June 26, 2014 6:29pm
thedavincimode

What can I say to that Walter?

Oh, maybe this:

scrawling like a dithering old fool on someone else’s blog
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June 26, 2014 6:30pm
Longknives

‘Not as much as I do you sad arse prick.”

What’s with all the hate and spite tonight? I think what we’ve got here is… a failure to communicate…
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June 26, 2014 6:32pm
Redbaiter

“What can I say to that Walter?”

Maybe you could get an education that enables you to understand what people write rather than letting your queer narcissism override it all. I’ve never been an MP.
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June 26, 2014 6:32pm
thedavincimode

… yawn …

You’re such a loser Russ. Keep up the good work.

bye bye
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June 26, 2014 6:33pm
Redbaiter

“What’s with all the hate and spite tonight?”

If you think that’s something new you must have that constantly sneering queer thedavincimode ripped.
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June 26, 2014 6:34pm
noskire

Can’t wait for the next poll after JK’s biography – Nats heading for 60%.
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June 26, 2014 6:36pm
dad4justice

“Nats heading for 60%.”

No noskire – PC socialism heading for 60%. Can John Key pay my rent? Yeah right!
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June 26, 2014 6:39pm
Nookin

Memo to DPF

Delaying GD is a major cause of cabin fever, taut nerves, frustration and bitchiness.
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June 26, 2014 6:40pm
Redbaiter

Narsekissa & Steve.

How can you be so unaware of your own self. Its difficult enough to raise the interest to read your comments let alone click on a link to some inevitably stupid childish picture.
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June 26, 2014 6:40pm
Keeping Stock

@ Pete – I sense that in his heart of hearts, Winston knows he’s pushing the brown stuff uphill this year. He’s clearly not well, and I wonder if he will survive the rigours of campaigning up and down the country.
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June 26, 2014 6:41pm
stigie

“What’s with all the hate and spite tonight?”

I just think everyone is excited about the new poll that came out tonight !~
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June 26, 2014 6:41pm
duggledog

dad4justice

God your moniker says so much. Justice! Justice for the peeeeople! You make your own luck in this world mate. All the best to you.

DG yes I clearly remember the Mike Moore scene you describe, mind you he did have that pleading hangdog face anyway didn’t he. Clark was ruthless but then by all accounts so is our PM, it’s just that Helen clawed her way to the top taking scalps and crawling over bodies on the way, for years and years. It seems slightly disgusting to me. However John Key is a winner and aced in with a path cleared for him by way of Boag and the rest is history. That’s why people like him. He’s not a politician, he’s a winner and a self made man who knows what being really poor is really like (so do I actually) has a nice Mrs and two kids, so they can relate to him.

He might be a bit Jagger-esque, in that women want to be with him, and men want to be like him!
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June 26, 2014 6:41pm
dad4justice

“You make your own luck in this world mate”

Bullshit mate – ever been falsely accused mate? If you haven’t then STFU.
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June 26, 2014 6:43pm
Pete George

KS – he may get to ride another wave of populism but yes, he’s not looking very flash. He could as easily stuff up as pick up.
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June 26, 2014 6:51pm
David Garrett

Davinci:Its funny isn’t it? Or it would be if it wasn’t so sad…As I understand it, in the early days of psychiatry one of the tests for insanity was whether the patient thought “everyone’s mad but me”… As I understand it, if you both 1) think that; and 2) say it then it was the padded cell for you..

This sad old man doesn’t even realise that he cries out in the wilderness “…like a dithering old fool on someone else’s blog”…Sad…

But have you ever wondered what the missus must be like?? If there is one still living she must be a saintly woman…

Duggle: Where did you get that “women want to be with him” thing from?? Crikey, I am a middle aged man…groupies who are past their first flower of youth throwing their smalls at the PM is not an image I like to think about…

dad4J: Steady old man, steady…I sense a meltdown brewing…and you know how much you like to be here..
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June 26, 2014 6:53pm
dad4justice

I will say one word to you Garrett – identity.
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June 26, 2014 6:57pm
Redbaiter

Dave, maybe you can give me one good reason as to why your opinion of me matters more than a smidgen of goat shit? Honestly, I mean why bother?

Like TDVM you’re full of patronising spiteful childlike bullshit with nothing worthwhile to say on any issue.
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June 26, 2014 6:58pm
Nukuleka

I see Stuff is reporting that uniformed police officers will be allowed to take part in the next Gay Pride Parade. What the hell is going on? Hand holding rainbow cops mincing along and twirling their handcuffs. Thank heavens they no longer carry batons is all I can say. Very dignified.

I recognise that the pc NZ Police long ago lost their balls but I hadn’t realised that they’d quite cum to this.
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June 26, 2014 7:01pm
Johnboy

Hell it’s therapy night at GD!

I’ll just pop back to the paddock to check out some ewes! 🙂
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June 26, 2014 7:01pm
Redbaiter

Garret is a total victim of Dialectic Marxism Dad. He only ever sees the “abuse” travelling in one direction. Blind Marxist stooge.
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June 26, 2014 7:01pm
Dom Knots

duncan garner talking about unreleased teapot tapes?
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June 26, 2014 7:02pm
Dom Knots

is everyone still okay about the dead sea products ripoff? sean plunket seems to be outraged. lol
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June 26, 2014 7:06pm
stigie

60 comments in less than 2 hours. Must be a record.

Mind you Reddys almost half of them !~
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June 26, 2014 7:10pm
David Garrett

Ah, it’s two “t’s” in Garrett Russell….I know how important standards are to you…

God, why am I playing….OK Russell “why are my opinions worth more than a smidgen of goat shit?” (or whatever it was you wrote…can’t be bothered checking)…Well, here’s two possible reasons: from time to time DPF is kind enough to run guest posts from me…How many of yours has he run?

Secondly, Every two months Mr Wishart pays me a very modest sum for a 2000 word piece on a subject of my choice…Have you ever been paid to write anything? Ever? Anywhere?
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June 26, 2014 7:12pm
cricko

Now thats snot very nice.

Just incase you missed it, scroll thru to 2.46 mins.

http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/33682

Warning…Moana Mackey has personal hygene problems.

Like to shake on that Moana ?

Well, maybe later babe.
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June 26, 2014 7:21pm
Johnboy

And much as I admire Red DG I’ve never offered him the loan of a 12G streetsweeper as I have you! 🙂
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June 26, 2014 7:21pm
David Garrett

Well Dad, (checking first that this is GD, don’t want to break the rules)…I will say two words to you: Go Away…(the more Anglo-Saxon alternative is sadly not permitted, at least not from me)

I made the decision at the beginning of this year that I was finished apologising for my thoughtless actions 30 years ago…the ‘dead baby’ had been dead for 24 years when I did what I did, and he has now been dead for more than 50 years…so…FU (Hopefully that will be treated the same as STFU by the boss…)

I am feeling my oats a bit tonight Russell…so here’s a challenge…Write a guest post (David is very flexible as to subject) and get it published here within the next seven days…Go for it Tiger
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June 26, 2014 7:21pm
nasska

….”Have you ever been paid to write anything? Ever? Anywhere?”…..

On odd occasions a passenger in his taxi asks for a receipt. 🙂
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June 26, 2014 7:25pm
Colville

Russell = ‘baiter?
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June 26, 2014 7:27pm
Johnboy

You seem to be the second most hated moustachioed man in the world after El Tuco David! 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJCSNIl2Pls
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June 26, 2014 7:29pm
Dom Knots

jesus. thats some pretty wobbly shit right there!
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June 26, 2014 7:29pm
big bruv

D4J and Bedwetter, two peas in a pod.
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June 26, 2014 7:30pm
Johnboy

And poor old Eli died today so guess what! 🙂
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June 26, 2014 7:31pm
David Garrett

Colville: Well that is rumoured to be the case…but our host has a rather shaky policy on speculating about anonymous contributors…a wee while ago – much to my surprise – he took exception to some anonymous attacks on him over at the other place…but then he will issue demerits for speculating here…Whatever…as the yoof are wont to say…

JB: Moustachioed…now that’s not a word you see often (and I may well have misspelled it…
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June 26, 2014 7:31pm
nasska

Colville

Ref: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/gordon-mclauchlan/news/article.cfm?a_id=4&objectid=3544039
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June 26, 2014 7:34pm
David Garrett

Red: Actually I am really feeling my oats tonight! (client in your favourite country paid me a USD2000 retainer)…

Here’s an even better challenge…if you can’t get DPF to run a guest post by you within seven (7) days of today, you will FO and never darken this blogsite again…What say you, you big virile …commenter …you?
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June 26, 2014 7:40pm
dad4justice

Hey Garrett you sound like a sheriff. Have you taken that identity here on kiwiblog? Redbaiter’s comments are what make this site.
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June 26, 2014 7:43pm
Johnboy

I’m happy to do a guest KB post on how to sneak up quietly on furry/woolly animals ….if anyone is interested! 🙂
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June 26, 2014 7:47pm
nasska

That’s kink worthy of a conservative JB…..you’ll be inundated with requests. 🙂
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June 26, 2014 7:50pm
Johnboy

You have to empty all the loose change out of your pockets first nasska. That could be difficult for a capitalist! 🙂
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June 26, 2014 7:52pm
Johnboy

Unless he’s donating to a political party of course!
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June 26, 2014 7:53pm
nasska

Not much change in a cocky’s pockets nowadays JB…..bugger all of anything else either. 🙂
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June 26, 2014 7:54pm
cha

Doubt there will be apologies/retractions from the wingnuts who smeared him.

http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/06/army-clears-bergdahl-of-any-misconduct-during-captivity/373485/
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June 26, 2014 7:55pm
Johnboy

Looking forward to CGT then are you old chap?
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June 26, 2014 7:56pm
David Garrett

Dad: I am not sure what you mean…(I have received numerous PM’s about what a dangerous chap you are, but I am ignoring them for now)…If you really think that Russell’s phlegm flecked contributions are what “make this site” then I am genuinely sorry for you…for me he is, as I said yesterday, borrowing from Ralph McTell, a sad old man “looking at the world over the rim of his teacup…one more forgotten hero in a world that doesn’t care”….But good on you sir for nailing your colours to the mast in his defence!

Educated though I am, I actually rather like Keith Holyoake’s line “An ounce of loyalty is worth a ton of cleverness”…

Russell: You have gone very quiet…surely you don’t doubt your ability to write 1000 words or so that our gracious host is willing to run as a guest post? Surely??

Because of course if you don’t even give it a go, you will be one of those spineless amoebae type organisms you so despise…
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June 26, 2014 7:57pm
Dom Knots

jesus christ. go to your lonely bed, you sad prick.
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June 26, 2014 7:58pm
Johnboy

Dad left out the “h” David! 🙂
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June 26, 2014 7:58pm
nasska

I might survive that JB but descriptions of what the Green’s want to do to farming should be kept for the top shelves in your local sex shop. 🙂
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June 26, 2014 8:00pm
big bruv

David Garrett

Not sure why anybody would think that D4J is dangerous. Deluded…hell yes, Deranged….obviously, Demented….goes without saying, Devoid of an original thought…..all the evidence points that way.

But Dangerous?…nah, he might act tough around defenceless types and on the internet but from what I know of the man he could not fight sleep.
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June 26, 2014 8:03pm
David Garrett

Regular commenters; Who do you think this new chap “dom knots” is aiming his anonymous vitriol at ? Moi?

Russell: Come on man…we know you are here, trying desperately to come up with a reason why you are not going to get a guest post published here…Let’s be charitable (as we on the right invariably are) and assume he has had his Horlicks and gone to slumber…but the challenge will still be here in the morning Russell…you start throwing slings and arrows old fruit, and you can expect them back…
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June 26, 2014 8:06pm
dad4justice

“I have received numerous PM’s about what a dangerous chap you are”

Please email them to me Garrett so they be legally challenged.

Get treatment big bigot, you don’t know anything about me you cowardly internet fool.
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June 26, 2014 8:08pm
big bruv

Hey D4J

Did you ever get your gun license back?
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June 26, 2014 8:11pm
Johnboy

“Who do you think this new chap “dom knots” is aiming…”

Not unless you consider yourself to be jesus christ David! 🙂
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June 26, 2014 8:11pm
dad4justice

Yes going hunting this weekend with my twin sons. Suck on that big bigot loser. We all have a good laugh at your sick obsession with my life. We all think you need serious professional help.
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June 26, 2014 8:12pm
cricko

Hey girls,
this constant bickering is getting boring.

Yes but. Yes but.

FFS can sumwun cum up with a new subject ?
Check out dad4 etc to see how low, immature and asinine the level can decend to.
The poor sprogs have no chance.
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June 26, 2014 8:14pm
Dom Knots

diamond dave was asking what uni i attended, earlier. i think the ginger roughneck wants to come and beat me up
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June 26, 2014 8:14pm
dad4justice

Good idea cricko.
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June 26, 2014 8:15pm
Johnboy

Sneaking up on unsuspecting animals has always been of interest to me cricko…if anyone else is keen I’m happy to chat about it! 🙂
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June 26, 2014 8:16pm
Chthoniid

@David Garrett

Actually I am really feeling my oats tonight! (client in your favourite country paid me a USD2000 retainer)…

They’re good people across the pond. Did some work for people up there recently that got some generous quoting in Forbes. Tough getting their banks to work out how to do a wire transfer though.

Guess we’ll be hearing less of you for a bit 🙂
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June 26, 2014 8:18pm
Chthoniid

@Johnboy

Sneaking up on unsuspecting animals has always been of interest to me cricko…if anyone else is keen I’m happy to chat about it! 🙂

I wouldn’t say I’m keen. But it sounds like a worthy topic for the GD.
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June 26, 2014 8:20pm
big bruv

D4J

“we all think”

Are you talking about your own split personalities there D4J?
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June 26, 2014 8:21pm
dad4justice

FFS give it a rest bruv.
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June 26, 2014 8:22pm
David Garrett

Clotnid: (where do they get them?) I don’t quite follow you…My client in Singapore asked me a number of questions about a possible investment in a resort in Tonga…I responded by saying that I do not give advice for free, and required him to pay me USD2000 before I answered his questions,,,He did just that, and I responded to his questions…what about all that do you find amusing??

Russell: where have you gone Joe Di Maggio? We are all waiting (even those who haven’t said so) for your acceptance of my challenge: viz. to get a guest post on here in the next 7 (seven) days….surely that cannot be too hard for a man of your calibre??

dad4j: “Give it a rest”?? Are you effing serious, after your breathless posts about what BB has said?

Russell…oh Ruuuuuusssssellll…where are you?
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