General Debate 1 June 2014

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srylands

So the Greens want a carbon tax at NZD 25 per tonne of CO2e. When the current market price is about $5 per tonne.

So they will force New Zealanders to pay 5x the market price to reduce carbon emissions.

Just because they want to.

Fantastic 🙁
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June 1, 2014 6:43pm
SPC

A half rate for farmers $12.50 and an exemption for meat farming – the revenue dispersed via a 1 % cut to company tax and the first $2000 being exempt from income tax. Also a $12.50 credit per tonne for forestry.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11265690
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June 1, 2014 6:58pm
Reid

So they will force New Zealanders to pay 5x the market price to reduce carbon emissions.

I’m looking forward to our astute onto-it Fourth Estate forcing this admission from the reluctant Belamites and detailing the precise economic implications of their very latest insanity during the election debates srylands.

I really really am. Of course they’ll have to fit it in between talking about the latest wisdom from “celebrities” such as Lucy Lawless and weeding out all the Liarbore and Bedlamite fifth columnists who’ve cleverly embedded themselves deep within their very anatomy like a tumour, but I’m sure that they’ll manage to do all of that while fully discharging their sacred duty during this critically important election discussion.
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June 1, 2014 7:01pm
Other_Andy

@srylands

So what are you going to do, vote National?
Wrote to my local (National) MP to ask why National is keeping the ETS.

He couldn’t give me a straight answer.
At least the ‘Greens’ are honest about their cluelessness.
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June 1, 2014 7:02pm
goldnkiwi

dime (9,022 comments) says:

June 1st, 2014 at 3:58 pm
I feel the same way about the Export 33 ads. 😉
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June 1, 2014 7:04pm
goldnkiwi

What is a Belamite? I know what a belemnite is.
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June 1, 2014 7:07pm
Johnboy

Someone who can only eat kiddie meals at Bellamys perhaps goldnkiwi? 🙂
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June 1, 2014 7:13pm
Johnboy

Hint: Who do we know who has had the stomach staple! 🙂
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June 1, 2014 7:14pm
Ross12

I listened to the Greens announcement on their carbon tax idea on TV1. I concluded they are totally confused ( I’m being nice!)
1. They say per head of population we are 5th highest emiters of CO2.
2. They say the ETS doesn’t work so need a Carbon Tax
3. Tax on companies with emissions but company tax will go down 1%
4. Tax to be $25/tonne , meat farmers 12.5%
5. Expect cost to be passed onto consumers
6. So first $2000 is tax free to compensate
7. So everyone is better off
8. Dirty dairy farmers must pay.

So where is this helping the environment — charge a tax , expect costs to be passed so no incentive to reduce emissions because cost can be recovered.
Income from tax is given away –ie wealth redistribution. No money goes to environmental issues.
Some how “dirty dairying” gets pulled into the issue of emissions –I thought their problems with dairy farming “pollution” was to do with water quality.
As mentioned above the international “carbon” price is below $5 and recently the EU had to scramble to put a floor under their price to stop their system collapsing.
Message to Norman — carbon taxes and other variants of them don’t work and are yesterdays game. Everyone else is moving on. This scam has run its coarse and the lastest is sugar taxes.
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June 1, 2014 7:19pm
OneTrack

srylands – “Just because they want to.”

But they will be solving any unemployment problem overnight with the ministry they will have to set up to administer it all.
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June 1, 2014 7:20pm
Judith

Disclaimer for the dim-witted: I’m voting National.

It’s your disclaimer, because its attached to your comment. So are you trying to tell us you’re dim-witted?
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June 1, 2014 7:22pm
Judith

@ goldnkiwi (757 comments) says:
June 1st, 2014 at 7:07 pm

Perhaps its a new product to compete with Marmite and Vegemite?
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June 1, 2014 7:24pm
srylands

“A half rate for farmers $12.50 and an exemption for meat farming .. blah blah”

Yeah I can read too.

Why those numbers? If we must reduce carbon emissions, we should pay the world price. Anything higher is not efficient. If there are problems revealing the world price, work to do that through promoting efficient carbon markets.

If as a country we don’t want to reduce emissions we should do nothing.

If we must reduce emissions we should use an ETS with maximum international linkages.

A carbon tax with no international linkages is just another tax.

Introducing a $2,000 tax free threshold just reduces the efficiency of the income tax system.

There is nothing good about this announcement. It will do nothing for climate change. It is bad policy. It will reduce New Zealand’s prosperity.
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June 1, 2014 7:24pm
Reid

What is a Belamite?

It’s my new name for the Gweens gk.

Bedlamite.

from Bedlam.

After the sign I’m pretty sure they have above their Parliamentary Caucus room.

I’m told this is a photo of an actual caucus session, smuggled out to me by a party insider.

Looks familiar?

Exactly.
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June 1, 2014 7:24pm
RF

I understand the green criminal Zena Lawless was flown to the Greens Conference to give a lecture about carbon footprints.

I just do not believe these wankers. Bloody hypocrites…. I guess you have to blame the Commie Aussie and the bull frog who want senior positions in the Labour line up should they get in.
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June 1, 2014 7:25pm
Judith

nasska (10,019 comments) says:
June 1st, 2014 at 6:36 pm
…”Disclaimer for the dim-witted: I’m voting National.”…..

See…..I knew you were coming right

psst … when someone addresses an announcement to the ‘dim witted’ don’t answer it as if it was addressed to you! 😛
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June 1, 2014 7:27pm
Other_Andy

@srylands

“It will do nothing for climate change.”

You think you can do something to prevent the climate from changing?
Let me know how..
People stopping the climate from changing would be a first in four and a half billion years.
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June 1, 2014 7:34pm
nasska

I count it as a small sacrifice Judith. 🙂
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June 1, 2014 7:34pm
srylands

” They say the ETS doesn’t work so need a Carbon Tax”

So identify what is wrong and fix it.

Making New Zealanders pay 5x the market price for reducing emissions is economic vandalism.

Lets try an analogy. Let’s say that the Government announced that we were all going to pay 5x the market price for medicines. Because it is “unfair” that we are paying so little for drugs. How would that go down?

Back to the carbon tax. Carbon taxes only work when they BITE. They are designed to hurt energy consumers. If they don’t, they are pointless. Who hurts the most? The poor. So this is working in exactly the opposite direction to NZ Power.

So bear with me.

NZ Power is going to fuck up the electricity market. It is justified by Labour because energy prices are too high.

The Carbon Tax will destroy the emissions market. It is justified by the Greens because energy prices are too low.

Welcome to your new energy world under a Left Government.
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June 1, 2014 7:54pm
nasska

The environmentalists are up in arms again, saying that if things continue as they are now the Hutt Valley & much of South Auckland will be completely under water within 20 years.

So I’ve decided to do my bit to help.

I’ve left the Landcruiser idling while I un-insulate the house.
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June 1, 2014 8:00pm
goldnkiwi

Reid (15,789 comments) says:

June 1st, 2014 at 7:24 pm

A belemnite is a Jurassic fossil, so my confusion was understandable 😉 lol
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June 1, 2014 8:11pm
Reid

Yes I apologise for my mis-spelling in the original post gk. I promise to do better next time (unlike the Bedlamites, who just can’t help it).

But come to think, it’s very synchronistic isn’t it, that nomenclature coincidence. Let’s hope the Nats pick it up and run it in the opening campaign ad. I’m sure they will…
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June 1, 2014 8:25pm
Fletch

It looks like that American solider that Obama swapped for 5 Taliban leaders may have gone AWOL on purpose, and may even be a traitor, according to those he served with. A fellow soldier has done a large Twitter stream explaining what happened.

Some highlights below, but it’s worth reading the entire thing. He starts off with –

<—- Fuck what you I heard. I was there.

— c (@CodyFNfootball) May 31, 2014

“What [Bergdahl] was portraying to his family and what was happening in real life were polar opposites”

“[Bergdahl] did say ‘If deployment is lame, I’m going to get lost in the Mountains and make my way to China’ starting to see what we are dealing with?”

“Why would someone pack all of there [sic] belongings and send them home in the middle of a 12 month deployment? Hmmmm”

“So we now have Pre-Meditated Desertion at this point, yes?”

Teams were immediately kicked out into surrounding area to look for B. I can’t not describe the intensity

Our PLT came upon some children, they asked him have they seen an American.

The children said “yes, he was crawling on his belly through weeds and acting funny a while ago”

http://soopermexican.com/2014/06/01/american-soldier-who-served-with-bowe-bergdahl-casts-doubt-on-official-story-fears-reprisal-from-obama-administration/

It looks like the guy purposely deserted – went AWOL – and may even be a traitor. And this is the guy Obama just exchanged 5 dangerous Afghan Gitmo detainees for.

Oh, and his father tweeted, “I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan child. Amen” The tweet has since been deleted, but a capture was taken.

http://soopermexican.com/2014/06/01/father-of-american-soldier-freed-from-taliban-deletes-a-very-disturbing-tweet/
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June 1, 2014 8:32pm
Judith

@ nasska (10,021 comments) says:
June 1st, 2014 at 8:00 pm

There are parts of the Hutt Valley that would be better off underwater.

I’ve txt Norman and reported your blatant disregard for the environment in leaving your landrover running.
Be afraid, be very afraid!!
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June 1, 2014 8:33pm
publicwatchdog

Congratulations Judith for your principled stand on a number of issues.

In my considered opinion, Justice Wylie will ensure that ‘justice is done and is seen to be done’ and will deliver a
shock and awe’ verdict on Thursday 5 June 2014 in the John Banks electoral fraud case, that will remind those at the highest levels of political power in NZ, that they are not a form of ‘protected species’ to which the ‘rule of law’ does not apply.

We shall see!

So far – so good.

I predicted that this case would go to trial.

(How many so-called ‘experts’ and ‘commentators’ correctly predicted that?)

I also predicted that Justice Wylie would make his verdict within 2 weeks (- it will be one week, unless there are unforeseen complications.)

There are a number of folk who seem to think that John Banks will not be convicted.

Having been to the Auckland High Court every day of this trial, and heard most of the evidence – I would say – ‘dream on’!

In my view the most compelling evidence was the 2 hour audio of the Police recorded interview with John Banks.

Neither Graham McCready nor myself expected that evidence to be produced in Court – which was – in my considered opinion, quite damning.

‘Nothing to hide – nothing to fear’?

So – why didn’t John Banks take the stand?

Oh – because Crown Solicitor Paul Dacre QC would have barbecued him under cross-examination?

This will be an historic and unprecedented Court case, in my view, and a very long time coming …..

Penny Bright
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June 1, 2014 8:36pm
Longknives

I see the Lefty’s crying and wailing on TV tonight wanting Ultimate Fighting and Combat Sports banned…
Personally I think Combat Sports are great- Imagine D4J, Big Bruv, Redbaiter and Judith going ‘hammer and tongs’ in the ring? Last man standing etc…
*Though I should add I am strictly a Queensberry Rules man myself should anyone wish to challenge me..
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June 1, 2014 8:41pm
dad4justice

Haha big blouse bruv would go down faster than a cold can of Speights.
Queensberry rules would stuff up a keyboard coward.
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June 1, 2014 8:44pm
RF

Judith is in deep shit now. Penny Dim has just supported her @ 8.36pm. That her street Cred gone….

Back to her knitting and watching Days of our Lives.
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June 1, 2014 8:47pm
stigie

Penny, please dont pay your rates !~
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June 1, 2014 8:49pm
nasska

Judith

By the drowning of South Auckland & the Hutt Valley we will have made a worthy sacrifice to Gaia…..consequently we’ll probably qualify for a few brownie points & an arseload of carbon credits.

Fire up the V8! 🙂
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June 1, 2014 8:52pm
Scott Chris

Well Andy there is a theory that Dinosaur Farts caused catastrophic global warming so mankind isn’t first in that respect.
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June 1, 2014 8:56pm
kowtow

Hundreds if not thousands of western born or “integrated” Muslim men have travelled to Syria to fight against Assad.

These are the people Obama, Hollande and Camoron want to back ,arm and assist.

Then they,the political elites ,wonder why rational ,sensible westerners have no faith in their leaders and their foreign adventures.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644895/The-British-Bin-Laden-House-Fraser-trainee-unmasked-sadistic-Al-Qaeda-killer.html#comments
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June 1, 2014 9:00pm
MT_Tinman

Longknives (4,145 comments) says:
June 1st, 2014 at 8:41 pm
Imagine D4J, Big Bruv, Redbaiter and Judith going ‘hammer and tongs’ in the ring? Last man standing etc…

Big Bruv is a big, rather fast man.

He would clean up bedwetter and the Oxford nutter without breaking a sweat but I admit I’d worry about him v Judith, having to spot her 100 lb or so.
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June 1, 2014 9:01pm
Other_Andy

Fletch at 8:32 pm

Looks like there is more to the story than the lamstream media lets on.

Sounds like dad has also converted to islam or is at least a sympethiser.

The 5 prisoners released by the US are Khair Ulla Said Wali Khairkhwa, Mullah Mohammad Fazl, Mullah Norullah Nori, Abdul Haq Wasiq and Mohammad Nabi Omari.
All Taleban bigwigs.
Big price to pay……
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June 1, 2014 9:04pm
dad4justice

Who is the “Oxford nutter” Tinny?
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June 1, 2014 9:07pm
Left Right and Centre

the chick “our house is now complete”
the guy “it would be if there was a boat in the driveway”
the chick laughs and says “keep dreaming”.

dime @ 3:58pm . . .

I just want to check . . .

Without having heard that and going off your retelling of it – I could hear that one of a few ways. (1) Keep dreaming – as in – we’re not doing that because I don’t want to do it. But also (2) Keep dreaming because we’ll never be able to afford it or have other things to spend money on etc (3) Keep dreaming because I know that it’s a pie in the sky sort of half-hearted desire – one of those things you talk about without any serious intention. Or (4) simply on-air banter – which is more about directing how you want to come across to people listening. Communication is often less about content and more about how people come across.
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June 2, 2014 7:04am
Manolo

The Forest and Bird anti-progress moaners support their Luddite masters:
But Forest and Bird says it’s a fair go and greenhouse gas-emitting industries should pay for their pollution.

“It’s a clear and simple system under which those who pollute have to pay – its the best way to reduce that pollution,” said advocacy manager Kevin Hackwell.

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8853619/greens-carbon-tax-runs-into-trouble
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June 2, 2014 7:26am
Left Right and Centre

Life of a weight watcher (who is way under target therefore enjoying new off-diet options). . .

Latest discovery is ‘lite coconut cream’. (WTF is the diff between coconut cream and milk ? Ingredients both say coconut milk – hmmmm).

I’m now buying tins and tins of it. Combine with dessert powder for butterscotch coconut heaven. $2.60 total. Scoop into piehole using stick sweets from dairy. 10c each. Also good with porridge. Simply irresistible. I love coconut flavour – now I can have it for a very reasonable 238kj / 100mls.

Also – looking at every nutritional label of meal simmer sauces / pasta bakes etc. Flavour flavour flavour !! Sweet apricot on special got me eating chicken again. Also good with home made potato chips (and I’m only getting better at making those – shit are they ever good). 200-300kj / 100g is completely doable. Upwards of 350kj ? – would have to give you a Big O just looking at the packaging to even consider.
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