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Elaycee

wikiwhiz (10.19am): Has to be fracking. Probably unnannounced and illegal. The govt will trivialise it saying it’s a blip in the geosphere.

He shoots….. but misses again!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11276806

Just another day ending in ‘Y’….
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June 19, 2014 2:12pm
goldnkiwi

Thought Judith Collins was very restrained on Breakfast this morning, she definitely had a ‘twinkle’. 😉
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June 19, 2014 2:16pm
stephieboy

Elaycee, thanks for that . Wiki, UT, Reid etc will be most disappointed likely pinning their hopes on HAARP, chem trails and other kindred conspiracy related junk.
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June 19, 2014 2:26pm
Dom Knots

Dear god. 70 years later and the generations of good German people since ww2 are still being persecuted for the crimes committed by people they didn’t even know. Let’s talk about what’s happening today. Right now. Let’s talk about what israel is doing in Palestine and has been for 70 years in succession – the rapes, the torture, the ethnic cleansing, the murder – year after year after year. ‘YOU’RE A NAUGHTY BOY, FAWLTY’
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June 19, 2014 2:52pm
kowtow

….the rapes,the torture,the ethnic cleansing,the murder……

Yep ,that’s Arabs for ya.
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June 19, 2014 3:00pm
Dom Knots

Yeah. I had you pegged as the allan dershowitz of this place from go 1, you wank stain.
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June 19, 2014 3:02pm
kowtow

“wank stain”.

Goodness, numb nuts, you’re a particularly obnoxious poster.
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June 19, 2014 3:19pm
thedavincimode

you’re a particularly obnoxious poster

That’s right folks; your eyes weren’t deceiving you.
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June 19, 2014 3:27pm
publicwatchdog

Hi Kiwibloggers 🙂 I’m currently in Brisbane having just finished attending the G20 Anti-Corruption Conference along with fellow anti-corruption ‘whistle-blower’ Grace Haden. A number of attendees seemed unaware that despite NZs ‘perceived’ status as ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ – NZ STILL has yet to ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption (UNCAC) & Minister of Justice Judith Collins ‘Organised Crime & Anti-Corruption Legislation Bill’ (the passage of which is required before NZ can ratify UNCAC) has STILL yet to surface in the House. Still smiling Judith? (Meant of course in a caring way 🙂 LOTS more to come …. Kind regards Penny Bright
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June 19, 2014 3:28pm
thedavincimode

Penny, I’ve nearly cleaned out the shed. Do you want those old possum skins or shall I leave them for the successful bidder?
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June 19, 2014 3:30pm
All_on_Red

Gosh Penny, that’s terrible. NZ not ratifying a UN convention. The horror of it all.
I see your appearance where you whip them all into shape has made You Tube. Well done. You’re looking good.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6TP50f3BAs0
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June 19, 2014 3:35pm
Sofia

Penny, give one good reason why New Zealand, being one of the two least corrupt countries in the world, should sign the UN Convention, considering Afghanistan rates as most corrupt country, equal with North Korea and Somalia –
But Afghanistan has both signed and ratified the United Nations Convention against Corruption.
Signing means nothing. In fact it may be considered morally corrupt, meant in the nicest way possible 🙂
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June 19, 2014 3:42pm
Redbaiter

The most irritating thing about our self appointed Prog cultural guardian and his lame comments is that they reek of the author’s assumption that he is oh so witty and smart, when he isn’t anything but an unfunny devoid of wit stinking lowlife coward.

Penny might be wrong about a lot of things but she’s got fifty times the guts TDVM will ever have.
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June 19, 2014 3:44pm
Griff

I am beginning to think redblather and Penny Tarnish are an item.
Go hard old man.
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June 19, 2014 3:49pm
Komata

Ah PENELOPE

Thank you for finally appearing.

In case you haven’t noticed, there is a nice little Corruption matter for you to get your teeth into when you arrive back.

It involves your friends in the New Zealand Labour Party, and being the completely impartial ANTI CORRUPTION CAMPAIGNER that you are, we here at Kiwiblog ALL expect that you will give this matter your fullest and most complete attention and take the matter to the High Court, since after all, you did exactly that in respect of Mr. Banks.

And, of course, even if he becomes Prime Minister, we also expect that you will relentlessly pursue Mr. David Cunnliffe to the same end, and beyond.

You have set the bar high m’dear, so naturally you will be expected to reach at least that same height, and, indeed, because of the high profile status of Mr. Cunnliffe, to exceed it by a truly amazing amount.

As you have continuously regaled with tales of your accomplishments as an ‘Anti Corruption Campaigner”, your ‘fans’ will expect no less.

But should you choose not to do so…..
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June 19, 2014 3:51pm
Gulag1917

“Democracy” is today a supremely fashionable word in our country, mouthed in endless variations, flaunted, brandished, and exploited for personal advantage. But there is no tangible evidence that we have given close thought to the exact meaning of this term.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn in “Rebuilding Russia: Manifesto for a rebirth of Russia”, 1996
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June 19, 2014 4:30pm
cricko

Is New Zealand unique in that any university post grad student or professer can come
up with a conclusion to a survey that they have conducted (as a result of a grant that they have recieved )

That the media report it as fact. A new survey has revealed that….

These professers will keep comming up with this sort of shit untill they are roundly ridiculed by all.

Of miriads of examples try this one.

Some fuck wit academic has declared that our poorest children are worse off than poor Indians in shitholes in
India.

This is reported with no member of our 4th estate questioning it.
In fact that puke now is the subject of two questions in parliiament today as though it was a
fact.

What has happened to journalism in our country ?

Lets ridicule and laugh at these drongs.

You gotta ask, why do our “reporters’ always ask for a comment on a piece of puke instead of questioning the piece of puke ?
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June 19, 2014 4:41pm
publicwatchdog

Here’s the go Kiwibloggers 🙂 If YOU believe that a bribery or corruption offence has been committed by ANY person – this is what YOU can do: Make a formal written complaint to the Police or SFO YOURSELF and see how you get on ….. Kind regards Penny Bright
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June 19, 2014 4:45pm
Manolo

The corrupt Miss Dim, close associate of the Labour Party, makes a fleeting appearance.
Or does she work for Internet Mana these days?
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June 19, 2014 5:07pm
mikenmild

‘Some fuck wit academic has declared that our poorest children are worse off than poor Indians in shitholes in
India.’
That’s great cricko, but it’s not actually what he said.
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June 19, 2014 5:11pm
Manolo

Just the right article for Stephie: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-neocon-surge-108021.html?ml=m_pm#.U6JyIW14Wvg
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June 19, 2014 5:17pm
Keeping Stock

Has Kim Dotcom funded Penny’s trip on the Brisbane “anti-corruption” junket? Or did she get sponsorship from Donghua Liu?
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June 19, 2014 5:22pm
nasska

mikenmild

….” but it’s not actually what he said.”…..

What the overeducated wanker said was….”The poorest Kiwi children are now no better off than some children in the slums of India”…. So if you wish to dance on the head of a pin you’re arguing “no worse off” vs “are worse off”.

Cricko’s comment is fair. The socialist professor was trying for pathos in order to get his pitiful book read knowing full well that the left cuddling MSM would provide him with publicity.

There is NO child poverty in NZ that cannot be sheeted home to useless breeders who are flatteringly described as parents. The blame lies with them & no one else.
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June 19, 2014 5:32pm
Komata

PENELOPE

RE:’I f YOU believe that a bribery or corruption offence has been committed by ANY person – this is what YOU can do: Make a formal written complaint to the Police or SFO YOURSELF and see how you get on’

No, no Penelope, , you don’t understand. It’s YOU who have to make to ‘formal written complaint’.

You have your REPUTATION as an ‘ANTI CORRUPTION CAMPAIGNER’ that YOU have to uphold. You’ve hectored us for several years about your beliefs and actions, and have taken J. Banks to court with much glee.

It’s YOU who have to follow through with this matter, NOT the Kiwiblog habitues.

The case is there, the CORRUPTION is there (and growing BTW). it’s time for you to bring all your much vaunted and touted ANTI CORRUPTION EXPERTISE into the public gaze, and prove that you are actually what you say you are;

A ‘Valiant destroyer of Corruption’ boldly going where no-one else has so far dared to go.

Effectively, for you, Ms Bright, it’s now a case of ‘Put up or. . .’

Over to you….

Kiwiblog will be watching your actions with interest.
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June 19, 2014 5:33pm
RRM

There’s social welfare in New Zealand.

It would take a special effort to put your kids in as bad a way as indian slum kids. It’s not something that could just happen to you.
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June 19, 2014 5:38pm
cricko

Just listened to Rachel Smalley giving her opinion of political events today on ZB

Does she have any opinion that doesn’t begin with, “Yuh know……..”

Small point but. Every fricken sentence,’ Yuh know, or, Well Larry, yuh know….”

Almost as good as Corrin Dan starting every sentence with, “Look……” or “Listen…..”

Course every TV1 correspondent begins at least one sentence in every report with, “Look…..”

Watch for it tonight if you are a disbeliever.

It must be a cantagious disease.
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June 19, 2014 5:43pm
Longknives

“There is NO child poverty in NZ that cannot be sheeted home to useless breeders who are flatteringly described as parents. The blame lies with them & no one else.”

Comment of the Day Nasska..
Mum spending all her generous DPB cheque on on Pokies and Weed and not bothering to feed her eight feral meal-ticket children is NOT fucking ‘Poverty’!!!
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June 19, 2014 5:54pm
cricko

Hey mikenmild ,
explain to the masses how what he said differred from what I said he said.

Don’t expect to hear from you soon mikenmild.
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June 19, 2014 5:57pm
nasska

RRM

I read your comment on the “economic growth” thread about mortgage payments on one income….been there, done that. Briefly I had two mortgages (the 2nd at 23% int) three kids & two jobs to pay the bills. The good news is that it does get better.

Maybe because of this, authors wanking on about comparative poverty make me nauseous. Living on a low income or a benefit would not be great but it’s not all tea & skittles for the workers either. The bleeding hearts want your kids’ welfare reduced by taking money off you to give to the feckless.

If the bludgers want another cent of my money then let them receive all welfare largess via targeted cards instead of cash….if there’s still a problem then I’ll listen.
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June 19, 2014 5:58pm
UglyTruth

Elaycee, thanks for that . Wiki, UT, Reid etc will be most disappointed likely pinning their hopes on HAARP, chem trails and other kindred conspiracy related junk.

Tell us some more lies about how there is no evidence of molten steel at “ground zero”, idiot boy.

http://www.bollyn.com/the-seismic-evidence-molten-iron-in-the-rubble
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June 19, 2014 6:04pm
thedavincimode

Good heavens. Who couldn’t possibly like Boondock Saints? Maybe a cat lover?
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June 19, 2014 6:26pm
mikenmild

Hey cricko
I guess you are too lazy, or too stupid, to refer to the thread in question. I can’t be bothered helping you with that, but IIRC that statement was that some children in New Zealand live in worse poverty than some children in India.
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June 19, 2014 6:36pm
Johnboy

Poverty in Wainui is bad. We tend to get the poor children to excel at rugby so they can be bought by either Petone or HOBM and hence drag themselves up to milkey’s level! 🙂
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June 19, 2014 6:41pm
Griff

Only because their parents are Maori who are oppressed by what someone done to their great great great great great great great great grandfather just after he killed and eat the neighbors kids mike.
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June 19, 2014 6:47pm
nasska

You wouldn’t know what poverty was JB.

When I was a young bloke we were so poor we used to eat porridge with a fork to save milk. 🙂
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June 19, 2014 6:53pm
wikiriwhis business

“wikiwhiz (10.19am): Has to be fracking. Probably unnannounced and illegal. The govt will trivialise it saying it’s a blip in the geosphere.

He shoots….. but misses again! ”

hahaha….. I concede. An army exercise which should have been publicised to warn the public.

Simple manners
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June 19, 2014 6:57pm
publicwatchdog

I’m paying for the trip myself – no registration fee has made it a lot more affordable. Actually BOYolo – I am not employed by anyone – thought you were a bit more up with the play. Silly me 🙂 But keep biting! (Gumming …. 🙂 it makes my day – you silly wee thing – meant of course in a caring way. Penny Bright
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June 19, 2014 6:57pm
Johnboy

Because we couldn’t afford milk nasska our dad used to make us wank into water so it looked like milk! 🙂
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June 19, 2014 7:00pm
Johnboy

Have you opted for the one-way, self funded, trip extension to Ulan Bator Penny?

Please say yes! 🙂
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June 19, 2014 7:03pm
stigie

And you invited Penny down to stay with you JB !!
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June 19, 2014 7:03pm
nasska

Waste not…..want not JB. 🙂
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June 19, 2014 7:04pm
wikiriwhis business

“As matter of interest Al Qaeda has denounced ISIS as the bitter factionalism continues amongst the Jihadist ”

The CIA denounces the CIA
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June 19, 2014 7:05pm
Johnboy

I’m working on Judith and Lucia on the other thread stigie!

Penny’s just a backup situation! 🙂
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June 19, 2014 7:12pm
nasska

Some of our more spiritual fellow commenters may find this instructional: 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rie9x06mpgdtbqw/Repro.jpg
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June 19, 2014 7:28pm
ShawnLH

“There is NO child poverty in NZ that cannot be sheeted home to useless breeders who are flatteringly described as parents.”

Well, yes and no. There are some people who are poor through no fault of their own, just bad circumstances.

That said, there is a sub-culture here in NZ that assumes that the world owes them everything and they should get everything without any effort.

And I agree that comparing child poverty in NZ with India is just plain stupid.
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June 19, 2014 7:34pm
Northland Wahine

johnboy, you’re such a blog whore;)
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June 19, 2014 7:35pm
big bruv

“Interesting. My comment at The Daily Blog responding to a section of one of Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury’s post got moderated out.”

One guess who made this comment?
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June 19, 2014 7:40pm
Northland Wahine

I witnessed an amusing exchange today… a rather large teen in school uniform was making fun of one of the local trolley men with obvious learning disabilities…

“hey retard, is this the only job you can get?”

just as I was about to let loose, the trolley guy replied… “why does you dad wanna job?”

damn near pissed myself laughing
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June 19, 2014 7:44pm
Johnboy

What’s a blog whore NW?

Do they get their ends in more than other commenters, who pays? 🙂
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June 19, 2014 7:52pm
David Garrett

BB: I just had a look over there…curious as to how they are spinning Cunliffe’s latest troubles…they are eating each other!! I am not too up on the leftie factions, but that Clown “bomber” is usually one of them isn’t he? lprent is giving him a right roasting…Usual story, they are all censoring each others comments…priceless…
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June 19, 2014 7:54pm
Northland Wahine

JB, I’m trying not to visualize your ends!
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June 19, 2014 7:55pm
cricko

mikenmild
quite silly.
You boofhead.
Yep! I called you out as a boofhead.
Because you are an effing boofhead.

“Some children….live in worse poverty than in India..”

What a stupid analogy, a desperate attempt, the kind a boofhead would give creedence to.

You are just a fool.
And guess what ?

Now you proved it for all to see.
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June 19, 2014 7:56pm
nasska

Quite right Northern Wahine…..JB’s ends are under embargo. 🙂
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June 19, 2014 8:00pm
big bruv

DG

It is bloody hilarious, long may the left beat the shit out of each other.
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June 19, 2014 8:02pm
Johnboy

Penny, Lucia and Judith can release my ends from the embargo whenever they feel I am up to it! 🙂
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June 19, 2014 8:03pm
Pete George

Bradbury and Prentice ripping in to each other for controlling the messages on their blogs is kinda hilarious.

But this is better:

Victory!

I’ve been thinking about the crisis enveloping David Cunliffe and the Labour Party. It seems increasingly clear that the whole thing was a National party setup.

But if the Nats think this is some sort of victory for them, they should think again. The whole thing is backfiring badly, and they will end up regretting their smear. Already the nation is turning on National, as people wake up and realise who is behind this scandal. I’ve seen at least three people on my Twitter feed questioning National’s tactics.

I’m not at all worried about the polls out this week, one of which showed support for Labour as low as 23%. 23% is a pretty good base to build from, and if Labour can hold that number on September 20 and then do deals with the Greens, Mana-Internet, NZ First, the Maori Party, Peter Dunne, and ACT, they should be able to form a government, if several National MPs also defect to Labour.

But the polls will go up, as people finally wake up and realise how rotten and corrupt this pack of Tories are. National will rue the day they ever attacked the credibility of David Cunliffe. I’m sure they will. Any moment now the public of this country will cry “enough!” and sweep Labour into power.

There is no disaster for Labour here. Only opportunity. This will be a strategic victory for Labour and for David Cunliffe, mark my words.

It makes you wonder, though. It’s so obvious that this will now backfire that it almost makes you wonder if David Cunliffe planned it to turn out this way.

Supposing Cunliffe engineered the entire thing, knowing his opponents would not be able to help themselves? Knowing that when it all blew up in their faces, he would be triumphant.

If that’s what happened, then David Cunliffe is a genius. A legend.

This is a disaster for National (update: now four people on my Twitter feed have questioned National’s tactics). Any moment now the polls will rebound. Any moment now the public will rise up in disgust at National’s dirty tactics.

Any moment now…

http://imperatorfish.com/2014/06/19/victory/

At least Scott has a sense of humour and knows it’s satire.
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June 19, 2014 8:04pm
Northland Wahine

as long as JBs ends don’t fertilize any embryos it’s all good!
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June 19, 2014 8:08pm
nasska

What sort of embryos Northern Wahine! 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yfpxiuayechcf5p/sheep%2018%20%282%29.jpg
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June 19, 2014 8:12pm
mikenmild

cricko
I’m very sorry that you are a fuckwit, and there’s no cure for that. You will have to live with it. Luckily you are not even aware of the disability.
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June 19, 2014 8:14pm
Northland Wahine

nasska… I just had to push the link, huh? “wishes for amnesia”
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June 19, 2014 8:14pm
nasska

That which cannot be unseen Northern Wahine? 🙂
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June 19, 2014 8:16pm
Johnboy

All of my offspring would be greatly in demand for the length and fineness of their wool, quality of their meat and their musical and intellectual abilities if I chose to put them on the market.

I don’t because I feel family values are far more important! 🙂
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June 19, 2014 8:19pm
Northland Wahine

JB, they must take after their mums, huh? 😉
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June 19, 2014 8:23pm
big bruv

Watch and enjoy as big Gerry takes the absolute piss out of one of the stinking and humourless Greens.

http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/33569
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June 19, 2014 8:24pm
Johnboy

In every way NW… except for the quality of their meat! 🙂
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June 19, 2014 8:25pm
cricko

mikenmild
you would be best advised to hold your tongue,
specially if your effort @ 8,14 is the best that you have.

Anyone reading who was uanaware of what an effing boofhead was
will be disabused after reading your @ 8.14

To spell it out…..
You are it.
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June 19, 2014 8:27pm
Northland Wahine

is beryl back?
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June 19, 2014 8:28pm
Johnboy

I watched that today bb. While Julie is the best looking MP in parliament (and I would dub her on my bike anytime) she’s a complete and utter fuckwit.

Thank goodness stupid Cunners has just fucked any chances of the Greenies coatailing into parliament by making Labour un-electable! 🙂
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June 19, 2014 8:30pm
big bruv

Johnboy

She might be kinda hot but you would have to tell her to STFU, that voice would drive me crazy. What is it with Yanks coming over here and telling us what to do?, its not as if they have not fucked up their own country enough.
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June 19, 2014 8:37pm
David Garrett

JB: I just watched that clip too…Eff me….I thought Delahunty was bad….we pay this woman 150k a year for that drivel…in an annoying American accent…
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June 19, 2014 8:42pm
cricko

Johnboy, the way she waves her arms around has to count.
Nice outfit she wared today for question time.
I guess compared to a sheep Julie Ann looks good. Makes more sense.

Yep, Northland Wahine, beryl rides again.

You and nostalgia picked it.
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June 19, 2014 8:44pm
Johnboy

bb. I remember waiting at Wellington Airport many years ago for a passenger (in the days when you could walk along the long corridor out to the gates) and and old Yankee chap in a white jacket and red trousers popped out of the plane with a huge camera hanging round his neck. Next out was his fugely wife who commenced with…”Hiram..Hiram..I told you to wait for me…..etc…etc.”

I never have worked out why Hiram never shot the bitch long before he ever ended up here with her! 🙂
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June 19, 2014 8:44pm
big bruv

DG

What is it with the Greens when it comes to a lack of humour?

Oh, by the way. Check out Twitter, the fucking moonbat Deahunty (the one who wants a roll in education should they form part of the next government) has tweeted about education and totally fucked up the name of the school she had been attending.
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June 19, 2014 8:47pm
Johnboy

All you Guy’s must admit Julie has a well toned body (All that bike riding I guess) compared to all the other bird’s in parliament (apart from Nikki Kaye of course! 🙂 )
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June 19, 2014 8:48pm
big bruv

Ah cricko!, the nations number one rugby sycophant.

How do you feel about your teams captain being owned two weeks in a row by a pom?
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June 19, 2014 8:48pm
Johnboy

And Julie doesn’t crank out all that Kia Ora Murri shit when the Speaker gives them the nod like all the other greenies do!

Bugger me even the Ronald MacDonald clown did it today! 🙂
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June 19, 2014 8:51pm
cricko

Hey big bruv,

Why do you hate your national team ?

Why do you hate yourself ?
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June 19, 2014 8:52pm
dad4justice

cricko, big bigot hates everything with vengeance. It’s very unwell. Just feel sorry for it.
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June 19, 2014 8:57pm
David Garrett

BB; I don’t “do” social media mate…commenting on here is the nearest I come…

BTW keep your eyes out for the next “Investigate” mag…I think you will enjoy my views on Muslim immigration to our fair land…
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June 19, 2014 8:57pm
Northland Wahine

due when David? and good evening from the Deep dark South
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June 19, 2014 9:00pm
Johnboy

I always enjoyed Disneys “Sinbad the Sailor” 🙂
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June 19, 2014 9:01pm
David Garrett

Wahine: next month…late next month…I’d like to think I have argued a somewhat better case than my predecessor Mr Prosser of NZ First…
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June 19, 2014 9:04pm
Johnboy

Hopefully you have cast a Sunni viewpoint on Shite stuff or a Shitey viewpoint on what may have once been Sunni David! 🙂
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June 19, 2014 9:10pm
Northland Wahine

I am sure you have, David. Oh the wisdom of hindsight of choosing ones words carefully.
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June 19, 2014 9:11pm
David Garrett

NW: yes…I suspect Mr Prosser may have written that piece close to deadline when tired and emotional…never a good idea…It was the refs to “Wogistan” which did him in I think…
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June 19, 2014 9:13pm
Northland Wahine

yep! I wonder after the Muslim debacle in Avondale, if the words…told ya so….crossed his mind.
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June 19, 2014 9:21pm
adc

The “Humans of Remuera” facebook page – is that political campaigning or what?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Humans-of-Remuera/1517925395102391

Seems a bit sinister / cutting to be real satire. Time to report it as hate speech.
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June 19, 2014 11:57pm
Manolo

An alleged rapist speaks: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8862689/assange-reveals-extradition-fears
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June 20, 2014 6:34am
RF

I see the Dyke Iprent from the the Labour rag is threatening 3 month bans for anyone not spreading their cheeks for labour. This guy is a sick unit who lives in his own world. Never met the idiot but going by his rants he must be a fat little stumpy shit with a small dick. Brave man behind his key board but a wimp if confronted.
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June 20, 2014 6:31pm
RF

While I am in full flight I see the scum sucking greens are upset that the West Coast will survive to live another day. The Govt is going to allow the fallen trees to be milled. This will equate to many jobs in the depressed region and a much needed income for the residents. The greens would rather see the trees rot along with the good west coasters than see the area progress. These are the same bastards that use to hammer nails into trees about to be milled.

I am surprised that Egor the west coast Gween member manages to get a few votes but I forget he is a list MP so no value. Get a real job son.
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June 20, 2014 6:38pm
RF

I understand that Cunners has spread the word to what is left of his supporters. Go forth and infiltrate the right wing blogs to try and disrupt them. That’s why I smell trolls.

The Japs tried it in WW2 but they were still shot down. The Devine Wind will be a failure.
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June 20, 2014 6:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ RF.. It would seem that those fallen West Coast rimu, totara and beech trees were not aware of the DG of DOC’s opinion piece in the Dominion last June that they were superior in their adaptation to storms than non-natives.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/8857529/Native-trees-a-capital-investment

How the head of NZs Conservation Dept could be so unaware of the basic biophysics of trees in the face of gale-force stresses is beyond my comprehension. Anyone who has wandered off-track in NZs bush will have encountered windfalls. The scientific literature has numerous reports of wind damage to NZ forests – native and exotic.
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June 20, 2014 7:10pm
RF

Maggy Wassilieff. I lived in the west coast in the 70s and my job took me from Karamea to Haast. I fully understand how the climate can disrupt our beautiful native forest however I witnessed first hand the criminal behaviour of the greens who in spite of their publicity blurbs do not like the west coast.
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June 20, 2014 7:22pm
Griff

Pohutukawa is not native to wellington and depending on where its grown and sourced from it takes many different forms including upright single trunk trees and a variety which grows as long ground touching branches.
It has a nasty habit of dropping its large branches over time which re sprout spreading the tree outwards. There are trees On barrier that have spread 100m plus with the original trunk long since rotted away The writer of that story was exceedingly ignorant of our treescape.
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June 20, 2014 7:48pm
RF

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A beautiful flower. Similar to South Island Rata.
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June 20, 2014 7:58pm
Griff

metrosideros
Southern rata Northern rata and Pohutukawa are all members of the family.
My favorite native species I grow many from cuttings including this vine which is spectacular when it flowers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrosideros_carminea
They are all under threat from possums.
Hence the imperative that we keep numbers down using 1080
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June 20, 2014 8:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ Griff… “The writer of that story was exceedingly ignorant of our treescape”.

if you were referring to the opinion piece I linked to, then I’m in complete agreement with you.

But the embarrassing thing is that the “story” was written by the then head of the Department of Conservation – Al Morrison.
His extraordinary view that somehow native plants have evolved qualities that defy physics (too much load /stress) beggars belief.
Where were his science advisors? Is there a forester left in DOC?
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