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Fletch

This is unbelievable. A 13-year-old U.S boy in school is twirling his pencil (like kids used to do in my class, although I could never do it) and another kid says it looks like he is making it a gun. The kid gets pulled out of class, taken for psychiatric testing (against the wishes of his father), and now is being threatened with being adopted out if his father does not agree to more tests (because not agreeing to tests is tantamount to “abuse” or “neglect”).

The government is threatening to put 13-year-old Ethan Chaplin up for adoption. Chaplin was forced to undergo a battery of physical and psychological tests after a bully yelled out “he’s making gun motions, send him to juvie” because Chaplin was twirling a pencil.

Although the school backed off and allowed Ethan back into school, the New Jersey Department of Children and Families disagreed.

The thelibertarianrepublic.com reports, “Ethan’s father, Michael Chaplin, got on the Department’s bad side when he initially refused to take his son to be physically and psychologically tested. Michael relented after the Department sent the family an ominous letter labeling Michael’s noncompliance ‘an incident of abuse or neglect.'”

After the tests concluded with a clean bill of health for Ethan, the DCF sent another letter threatening that if Ethan were not taken in for more tests, his parents would forfeit their parental rights and the state would put Ethan up for adoption.

“All I can do is keep fighting, keep telling the truth and (keep) presenting the evidence. That is all I can do and hopefully the state does the right thing,” Michael said.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/pencil-twirling-boy-adoption-because-government-says-so

What is America coming to? Hard to know what to say about it.
It seems like the things we should be concerned about are being let go, or Ok’d by society, and the little things that don’t really matter are being made such a huge deal of and being blown all out of proportion.

As the Bible says, “You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.”.
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June 18, 2014 5:57pm
ShawnLH

“Fetch everyone ever born starts as an atheist.”

Griff you know this is total bollocks, so why repeat it?

“Yes kowtow I follow the findings of science”

No you don’t, unless it’s convenient to your argument. No science on earth says that people are born atheists, and serious studies from hotbeds of fundamentalism like Oxford University show that spirituality is natural in children. So you will ignore that science because it does not fit your Atheist religion.

Any other lies you wanna drag out tonight?
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June 18, 2014 5:57pm
Griff

Lee01/shawnlh has radically changed over his time at KB.

.Red Really you can tell where I have been from your porch in the nursing home in tauranga .
Waipipi Franklin county via pukekohe to motorway/ waikato expressway turn off at 1b down all the way to Cambridge, 😉 Marshall you are a sweetie thanks and sorry about the dog fur. with a detour to the tractor guy at cnr jew rd gt south rd hoptu for 2Xgear lever boots for a 35 and one rocker cover gasket for a tea.
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June 18, 2014 5:58pm
mike tan

“No you don’t, unless it’s convenient to your argument. No science on earth says that people are born atheists, and serious studies from hotbeds of fundamentalism like Oxford University show that spirituality is natural in children. So you will ignore that science because it does not fit your Atheist religion.

Any other lies you wanna drag out tonight?”

Citation please.
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June 18, 2014 6:02pm
ShawnLH

“How about you learn some basic grammar before coming over all patronising?”

Oh no, a grammer Nazi! I’m sunk! 🙂

Yeah, that’s a strong comeback! 🙂

“Why don’t you take your ill-informed superficial BS back to the limestone caves you came from?”

So thats a no on the question of reading books then. 🙂
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June 18, 2014 6:06pm
Griff

Yip if you bring up a child with wolves they don’t worship gods shawnlh/lee01
The default is non belief.
If you think otherwise that’s just an extension of your personal delusions
One god and thousands of belief systems
only one can be right
the odds are they are all wrong…
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June 18, 2014 6:06pm
nasska

Shawn

Instead of handpicking the studies that suit your weird religion why not try out Occam’s Razor?

The reason youngsters soak up the pap is that they are gullible & haven’t developed natural defences against being brain washed.
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June 18, 2014 6:09pm
ShawnLH

“Citation please.”

A three-year international research project, directed by two academics at the University of Oxford, finds that humans have natural tendencies to believe in gods and an afterlife.

http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_stories/2011/110513.html

Boston University Study Examines the Development of Children’s Prelife Reasoning

Evidence suggests our hard-wired belief in immortality may be the root of core religious beliefs

http://www.bu.edu/news/2014/01/27/boston-university-study-examines-the-development-of-childrens-prelife-reasoning/
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June 18, 2014 6:11pm
ShawnLH

“Shawn, Instead of handpicking the studies”

Translation: “Shawn, instead of citing serious University studies that contradict my Atheist beliefs, please take seriously my opinion about brainwashing…..” 🙂
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June 18, 2014 6:13pm
ShawnLH

“Yip if you bring up a child with wolves they don’t worship gods shawnlh/lee01”

And the study that shows this to be the case is…….?

Terribly inconvenient thing that pesky science! 🙂
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June 18, 2014 6:15pm
mike tan

This is your smoking gun?

“Children were asked whether their mother would know the contents of a box in which she could not see. Children aged three believed that their mother and God would always know the contents, but by the age of four, children start to understand that their mothers are not all-seeing and all knowing. However, children may continue to believe in all-seeing, all-knowing supernatural agents, such as a god or gods”
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June 18, 2014 6:17pm
Griff

Spirituality
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not to be confused with Spiritualism.
Part of a series on
Spirituality

traditionally spirituality has been defined as a process of personal transformation in accordance with religious ideals. Since the 19th century spirituality is often separated from religion, and has become more oriented on subjective experience and psychological growth. It may refer to almost any kind of meaningful activity or blissful experience, but without a single, widely-agreed definition.

Nope not proof of a god or a religions existence
Griff has had a “spiritual experience” when alone at night 500nm for the nearest land.
Not a god involved just the entire universe and one puny meaningless man bobbing around in twenty tonnes of concrete.
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June 18, 2014 6:20pm
nasska

Shawn

When you live in a cupboard under the stairs with a candle & a Bible it is hard for you to get a 3D view of the crap you push. The studies you cite are only one small contribution to the question. For instance:

….”A leading neurologist at the University of Oxford said this week that recent developments meant that science may one day be able to identify religious fundamentalism as a “mental illness” and a cure it.

During a talk at the Hay Literary Festival in Wales on Wednesday, Kathleen Taylor was asked what positive developments she anticipated in neuroscience in the next 60 years.

“One of the surprises may be to see people with certain beliefs as people who can be treated,” she explained, according to The Times of London. “…..

Ref: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/30/leading-neuroscientist-religious-fundamentalism-may-be-a-mental-illness-that-can-be-cured/

At least future generations may be able to be cured of the garbage that was instilled into their barely formed minds. 🙂
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June 18, 2014 6:23pm
Griff

http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_stories/2011/110513.html

dear dear did you read and more than that did you understand the link shawn

Just because we find it easier to think in a particular way does not mean that it is true in fact. If we look at why religious beliefs and practices persist in societies across the world, we conclude that individuals bound by religious ties might be more likely to cooperate as societies. Interestingly, we found that religion is less likely to thrive in populations living in cities in developed nations where there is already a strong social support network.’
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June 18, 2014 6:24pm
thedavincimode

I don’t recall that ShawnLH has appeared here lecturing and hectoring all and sundry about his spiritual beliefs. That’s his bag – fine – just as it is for the other GBs who quietly go about their business.

If my recollection is correct, then he presents himself in stark contrast to the hypocritical and sanctimonious faux GBs who live their lives as a lie. You know who you are kowtow. As such, I don’t think he deserves to be ridiculed for something that is no doubt and a core element of his being.

If my recollection is incorrect, then by all means stick the boot in!
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June 18, 2014 7:42pm
nasska

….”If my recollection is incorrect, then by all means stick the boot in!”…..

The boots going in Davinci…..in his previous KB incarnation he was “Lee01”. 🙂
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June 18, 2014 7:49pm
thedavincimode

Lee01?????

Does redblotter know?

Kick him where it counts nasska 🙂
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June 18, 2014 7:55pm
nasska

Two men were sitting next to each other at a bar.

After a while, one guy looks at the other and says, “I can’t help but think, from listening to you, that you’re from Ireland”

The other guy responds proudly, “Yes, that I am”

The first guy says, “So am I. And where about from Ireland might you be?”

The other guy answers, “I’m from Dublin , I am.”

The first guy responds, “Sure and begorah, and so am I. And what street did you live on in Dublin?”

The other guy says, “A lovely little area it was. I lived on McCleary Street in the old central part of town.”

The first guy says, “Faith & it’s a small world, so did I. So did I. And to what school would you have been going?”

The other guy answers, “Well now, I went to St. Mary’s of course.”

The first guy gets really excited and says, “And so did I. Tell me, what year did you graduate?”

The other guy answers, “Well, now, let’s see, I graduated in 1964.”

The first guy exclaims, “The Good Lord must be smiling down upon us! I can hardly believe our good luck at winding up in the same bar tonight. Can you believe it, I graduated from St. Mary’s in 1964 my own self.”

About this time, Vicky walks into the bar, sits down, and orders a beer. Brian, the bartender, walks over to Vicky, shaking his head & mutters, “It’s going to be a long night tonight”

Vicky asks, “Why do you say that, Brian?”

“The Murphy twins are drunk again.”
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June 18, 2014 8:02pm
thedavincimode

nasska

Would that withering broadside ( 🙄 ) from the old duffer be his first “blue on blue”?

Friendly fire surely has to be the worst way to go.
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June 18, 2014 8:07pm
SGA

thedavincimode at 7:55 pm

Lee01?????
Does redblotter know?
Kick him where it counts nasska

To be fair, Shawn’s toned it down a lot – a couple of months or so ago there was more of the –

Yet here we have the atheist mind unmasked; violent, hateful, psychopathic, racist.

Atheism is a mindless cult let by intellectually dishonest charlatans like Dawkins.
…[snip]…
Most atheists are emotionally stunted psychopaths, Griff being a perfect example.

going on – so credit where credit is due.
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June 18, 2014 8:08pm
Monique Angel

Nice one re twin joke.
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June 18, 2014 8:08pm
nasska

I’ll be watching closely Davinci…..it could be heralding a new phase of his decline. 🙂
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June 18, 2014 8:10pm
Griff

No one in here better be making any jokes about Fred Phelps’ death

God hates gags.
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Standing in the middle of all the destruction after a major natural disaster which took a large number of lives and saying “I just thank god that he answered my prayers and saved me”

Is a bit like saying thanks to the big black man who just viciously anal rapped you for pulling out and coming on your back.
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As an atheist, I don’t believe in 2700 different gods.

If you are christian, Jew or Muslim, you don’t believe in 2699 different gods.

Nice to know that “religious” people are almost like me!
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To me, a person’s belief in God is like a person’s bowel movements.

I don’t care if they have it, but I’d appreciate it if everybody kept it to themselves.
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Looking for morality in the bible is like searching your shit for sweetcorn.
Of course, you may find some , but is it really worth it ?
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How many atheists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Two. One to do it, and one to film it so that religious fundamentalists can’t claim God did it.
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June 18, 2014 8:19pm
SGA

Now, now, Griff. Play nicely.
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June 18, 2014 8:23pm
big bruv

Shawn

” instead of citing serious University studies that contradict my Atheist beliefs”

Serious Science based studies or those undertaken by the religious faculty?
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June 18, 2014 8:33pm
SGA

big bruv at 8:33 pm

Serious Science based studies or those undertaken by the religious faculty?

Can’t remember, but from last time Shawn brought this up I think the problem was that you could just as easily say that kids have trouble distinguishing fact from fantasy, or reality from make believe. So what’s true for “spirituality” also holds true for “Santa” (in a manner of speaking). Not sure what it tells you really. Shawn will jump in if I’ve misremembered, I’m sure.
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June 18, 2014 8:41pm
big bruv

SGA

I’m still trying to work out how he can claim that we are all born religious.
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June 18, 2014 8:43pm
stigie

Watching John Key and Helen Klark together on the news tonight, my dear sweet wife said John Key
looked prettier than Helen…..I was horrified of course !~
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June 18, 2014 8:43pm
Johnboy

Your missus isn’t a dyke then stigie? 🙂
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June 18, 2014 8:47pm
SGA

@big bruv
I’m not going out to bat for him on that. I suppose if children are, in general, more likely to accept the supernatural as “real”, and religion is about the supernatural, then children are born more “religious”. But, I suspect that’s not the perspective Shawn would take?
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June 18, 2014 8:48pm
Fletch

Pretty much what every sports interview after a match sounds like –

http://x.co/4rpH5

😆
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June 18, 2014 8:49pm
Johnboy

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/10171460/Keas-make-pests-of-themselves-in-beach-town-Kaiteriteri

Bastard’s gone to the beach for his holiday! 🙂
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June 18, 2014 8:52pm
stigie

Thats for me to know and you to find out JB, thirteen years younger, im blessed.
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June 18, 2014 8:55pm
stigie

Got a bach in Kaiteriteri, that Kea bastard has been ripping all the sealant off around fittings on the roof area.

Permission to shoot the bastard ?
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June 18, 2014 9:01pm
Johnboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVABo5XByQ

Pillow talk with stigie and wife! 🙂
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June 18, 2014 9:02pm
stigie

Hes a fine man that Blackadder JB, no matter how young his wife is !!
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June 18, 2014 9:08pm
kowtow

“thedavincimode (6,296 comments) says:
June 18th, 2014 at 7:42 pm
I don’t recall that ShawnLH has appeared here lecturing and hectoring all and sundry about his spiritual beliefs. That’s his bag – fine – just as it is for the other GBs who quietly go about their business.

If my recollection is correct, then he presents himself in stark contrast to the hypocritical and sanctimonious faux GBs who live their lives as a lie. You know who you are kowtow. As such, I don’t think he deserves to be ridiculed for something that is no doubt and a core element of his being.

If my recollection is incorrect, then by all means stick the boot i”

You don’t know how I live my life,so go fuck yourself.
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June 18, 2014 9:26pm
Griff

You don’t know how I live my life,so go fuck yourself.

wanna know what the holy bible says

bejesus said
Matthew 5:39
Luke 6:29
If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them.
Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary

5:38-42 The plain instruction is, Suffer any injury that can be borne, for the sake of peace, committing your concerns to the Lord’s keeping. And the sum of all is, that Christians must avoid disputing and striving. If any say, Flesh and blood cannot pass by such an affront, let them remember, that flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God; and those who act upon right principles will have most peace and comfort.

Blatant hypocrite
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June 18, 2014 9:40pm
SGA

kowtow at 9:26 pm

You don’t know how I live my life,so go fuck yourself.

True – we are left to extrapolate from how you choose to act here, and that, as you imply, may all be some interesting fabricated persona.
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June 18, 2014 10:39pm
lilman

Just got off phone from school friend who is a reporter in Auckland and we were discussing the David Cunliffe debacle.
He told me the firm he works for are working late tonight trying to verify a story regarding David Cunliffe that has been circulating since late last night that will literally finish him.
He wouldnt elaborate ,but said its not the letter showing he lied.
He said ,if true hes gone and he believes hes gone anyway.
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June 18, 2014 11:39pm
Left Right and Centre

For those of you keeping score – 22 45 hours Tues – until at least this post. 01 40 Thurs. That’s every last minute of Weds. Despite the best efforts of the deathly boring yawnmaker comments from the recently returned tropical fruit salad with cream dip.

28 hours – hmmmm – it’s a fair few.

goldnkiwi – exactly – I’m on casino time. But with sleep as in life – the house always wins in the end.
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June 19, 2014 1:44am
Longknives

Sorry Who?
A South Auckland ‘Gangsta Rapper’ seems to think he can bring down the Government…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11276730
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June 19, 2014 5:18am
Pete George

Latest Fairfax IPSOS poll

– National 56.5% (+8.9)
– Labour 23.2% (-6.2)
– Greens 11.9% (-0.8)
– NZ First 3.2% (-0.5)
– Mana 1.2% (+0/7)
– Maori Party 0.7% (-1.2)
– Act 0.7% (-0.2)
– United Future 0% (-0.1)

Internet-MANA combined – 2.1%

This poll seems to be and overreaction and would normally be expected to come back into line later but polling was complete before yesterday’s news on Cunliffe and Liu.

http://origin-interactives.stuff.co.nz/polling/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10174778/Poll-shows-Labours-support-plummeting
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10174798/Dismal-poll-adds-to-woes-for-Labour
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June 19, 2014 5:58am
Manolo

Griff’s hero, the crook Al Gore, continues to peddle his crap: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-turning-point-new-hope-for-the-climate-20140618?print=true
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June 19, 2014 6:39am
Griff

Thanks manolo Fat yank Gore is not my hero but that was very interesting .
I will post some excerpts on today’s general debate.
😆
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June 19, 2014 7:58am
deadrightkev

What is going on with Whaleoil?

Slater blocks commenters if they disagree with his line of thinking. I thought a blog was somewhere that you went to debate and dissent?
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June 19, 2014 4:42pm
Aussie Aussie Aussie

If diversity is such an imperative, why don’t we push it in…..?

How about China and Israel?

There is only one race they set out to Destroy in al this
it is the White one
and white Christianity with it

That has always been the objective

The Viking Wars were about destroying Christianity and enslaving white people
it was planned then
it is being planned now

Time to wake up to their real objective

White people are the way they are because other races
have been trying unsuccessfully to eradicate them for thousands of years

Look up the White Slave trade

White people were enslaved once for a longer period than Negroes
but who do we go for compensation on that one?

that is what why diversity is such an imperative

and when they are all killing each other (like they are in Iraq now)

they will try and blame the remaining white people for failing to rush in and stop it
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