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Jesus told the disciples several times of his imminent death. He then cut the Last Supper short having only three of the usual four cups of wine saying the next time wine would pass his lips he would be in “paradise”, knowing of the custom of offering spiked wine to those being crucified, and his sense of service [warped as it may seem] equated the ultimate selfless example as his highest aspiration.

From the acquisition of the donkey to make his entry to Jerusalem, mocking Pilate who was entering the city on the opposite side coming from Caesarea, to the arrangement with Judas, so his arrest would endanger the fewest followers, indicates the whole train of events were planned as far as he could and could have been stopped at several instances if he chose.

Temple leaders [Jews] wanted Jesus dead. Romans obliged in condemning him and carrying out the execution, with further urging from the Jews, although Jesus to his own ends was in command all the time, and chose death.

The Romans “pulled the trigger” and would not have been pardoned at Nuremberg
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May 9, 2014 8:50pm
SPC

Kea, what evidence – do you believe what a book about Jesus written by Jews says or what the bible says? It can only be evidence if you believe it yourself.
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May 9, 2014 8:50pm
mikenmild

Kea
Please answer Ryan’s question.
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May 9, 2014 8:50pm
SPC

Kea, 8.43pm, is this what you are reduced to when you have only one leg to stand on – what the bible says?

In the end the atheist who is the enemy of a group of people, is no better than the bigoted theist.
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May 9, 2014 8:52pm
Johnboy

Four cups of wine these days and even Jesus would get done for drunk in charge of a donkey! 🙂
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May 9, 2014 8:53pm
mikenmild

Why just four cups, Johnboy? Surely if he was divine he could drink as much as he wanted and still remain sober.
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May 9, 2014 8:57pm
stephieboy

Ryan Sproull (6,737 comments) says:
May 9th, 2014 at 7:49 pm
Kea, I’ve lost track. What is the point you’re trying to make?

One of the more perceptive comments made today.!
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May 9, 2014 8:57pm
Johnboy

Jesus saw a crowd chasing a woman to stone her and approached
them. “What’s going on here, anyway?” he asked.
“This woman was found committing adultery and the law says we
should stone her!” one of the crowd responded.
“Wait,” yelled Jesus, “Let he who is without sin cast the first
stone.”
Suddenly, a stone came from out of the sky, and knocked the
woman out cold.
“Aw, c’mon, Dad,” Jesus cried, “I’m trying to make a point here!”
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May 9, 2014 8:58pm
Yvette

Johnboy, I think the donkey was safely parked three days back before the krap went down with the money-lenders 🙂
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May 9, 2014 8:58pm
SPC

Johnboy, in the alternative version of the story the donkey at Bethany was called The Torah Law, because the Torah law is an ass, an ass a would be Messiah rides to Jerusalem on.
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May 9, 2014 8:58pm
Kea

milky, why ask me that ? He will not answer mine.

I will answer. There is zero evidence for god or jesus. What we are discussing is a religious fable. It is all made up and all lies. The leading book of lies says, very clearly, Jews killed Jesus. We are discussing a work of fiction. Get it retard ?

Jews are another imaginary group made up on religious fables. They are just a bunch of locals (Arabs) who started a cult. Same shit with Christians and Muslims. All the same people with different cults.

Now ask Ryan why he has not yet given his view on the bibles clear words and why he ignores the Hebrew book the Toledot Jeshu ?
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May 9, 2014 8:59pm
Johnboy

A priest, a minister, and a rabbi are discussing how each celebrates
Christmas.
The priest says, “We have a 12 o’clock high mass, then we go home
and gather around the Christmas tree and sing ‘Ave Maria’ “.
The Minister says, “Our traditions are very similar. We have an
11 o’clock candlelight service, then gather around the Christmas
Tree and sing ‘O Come all Ye Faithful'”.
The rabbi says, “Well, we close the stores early, gather around
cash register, and sing “What a Friend We Have in Jesus.
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May 9, 2014 9:04pm
SPC

Johnboy, the best and brightest of the students of the Oral Law never lost a case defending someone on the adultery charge.

They admitted their client had indeed been caught in the act, but denied that the married woman had ever consummated her marriage to her husband, as all her children were conceived via sex with men not her husband. And as she was not married until the marriage was consummated, unless they had witnesses who caught her in the act of consummating the marriage they could not convict her of any subsequent adultery.
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May 9, 2014 9:06pm
Yvette

Sefer Toledot Yeshu or Toledoth Jeschu, a scurrilous fable of the life of Jesus is a medieval work, probably written down in the tenth century, when the Jews had had half a millennium of dopey arseholes blaming them for killing Jesus. 🙂
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May 9, 2014 9:07pm
mikenmild

Oh poor Kea.
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May 9, 2014 9:07pm
Johnboy

Bonsoir madame Yvette êtes-vous bien ? 🙂
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May 9, 2014 9:09pm
mikenmild

And how d’ya reckon Wainui will go tomorrow JB?
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May 9, 2014 9:12pm
SPC

mikenmild, what kea is unable to say is he likes being able to accuse Jews of killing Jesus. Any link, any source, whether he regards it as credible or not, is fair game for this purpose.
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May 9, 2014 9:12pm
Kea

The Jewish book the Toledot Jeshu gives further insight into Jesus, as well as confirming Jews killed Jesus. (Well they said they did, but SPC and Ryan reckon Jews are filthy liars and I should not believe a word of it. Lied in the bible and lied in the Toledot Jeshu they reckon. )

Anyway the Hebrew book the Toledot Jeshu tells us Jesus was a troubled boy and not a very nice person. It can’t have been easy being a single mother back then, following being raped. Jesus was (The Hebrew book the Toledot Jeshu says) anally raped by Judas. So it is little wonder Jesus went of the rails. Eventually things came to a head and he died shamefully.

I am not sure any of this really happened, but it might explain the total contempt with which Christains are regarded by Jews. That and a few centuries of persecution.
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May 9, 2014 9:13pm
Kea

milky, you were so busy being a scumbag you clean forgot to give your view on the bible saying Jews killed Jesus.

What is your view ?

Oh and milky… don’t forget the EVIDENCE. I gave you the revealed word of GOD. So I am wondering how you will trump that.
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May 9, 2014 9:16pm
Kea

The “Jews for Judaism” web site describes Jesus as a false prophet predicted in the Old Testament.

“…Jesus the Nazarene, who imagined that he would be messiah and was killed, is alluded to in the book of Daniel, as it is said, `And the sons of the transgressors among thy people will rise, in order to establish a vision, and will stumble’ (Dan. 11:14). Can there be a greater stumbling then this? All the prophets said that messiah will be a redeemer and a savior to the Israelites, will bring together their outcasts, and will strengthen their obedience to the Divine precepts, but he (Jesus) caused destruction by the sword to Israel, the dispersion of those left, and their humiliation. He changed the law, and misled many people to worship a being beside G-D….” 17.
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May 9, 2014 9:18pm
SPC

Kea is appealing for those who believe what the bible says to join him in his cause of making accusations about Jews. Become like Reid or Ugly Truth (believing in the talking snake/reptilian shapeshifter/Luciferian conspiracy behind Zionism or in the Abrhamic theism religions – no particular favourite optional) and be anti-Zionists for God and theism.
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May 9, 2014 9:19pm
Johnboy

Tough one to pick milkey. Depends who brings more shotguns as opposed to machetes really! 🙂
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May 9, 2014 9:20pm
mikenmild

Kea
Means nothing to me. Jesus is not even an historical figure,
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May 9, 2014 9:22pm
Yvette

Merci pour enquêter, John Bruce O’Yarning, mais non, je suis malade. Pourriez-vous pas dire par la remarque vicieux de Kea?
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May 9, 2014 9:22pm
mikenmild

Old timers day at the Hutt Rec tomorrow JB.
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May 9, 2014 9:23pm
Johnboy

A very spiritual, devout and holy priest dies and is immediately
swept up to heaven. St. Peter greets him at the Pearly Gates, and
says, “Hello, Father, we’ve been waiting for you for a long time.
Welcome to Heaven!”
“You are very well known here, and as a special reward, because you
are such a spiritual and holy man, we’re going to grant you anything
you wish even before we enter Heaven. What can I grant you?”
“Well,” the priest says, “I’ve always been a great admirer of the
Virgin Mother. I’ve always wanted to talk to her.”
St. Peter nods his head to one side, and lo and behold who should
approach the priest but the Virgin Mary!
The priest is beside is himself, and he manages to say, “Mother, I
have always been a great admirer of yours, and have studied everything
I could about you and followed your life as best I could. I have
studied every painting and portrait ever made of you, and I’ve noticed
that you are always portrayed with a slightly sad look on your face. I
have always, always wondered what it was that made you sad. Would you
please tell me?”
“Honestly?” with a little pained grimace on her face. “Well, I was
really hoping for a girl.”
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May 9, 2014 9:24pm
Ryan Sproull

The Jewish book the Toledot Jeshu gives further insight into Jesus, as well as confirming Jews killed Jesus. (Well they said they did, but SPC and Ryan reckon Jews are filthy liars and I should not believe a word of it. Lied in the bible and lied in the Toledot Jeshu they reckon. )

Kea, can you please point to where I said this?
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May 9, 2014 9:25pm
mikenmild

Ha ha. Ryan vs Kea. It’s a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
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May 9, 2014 9:28pm
Johnboy

Je ne lis pas vraiment ses trucs Yvette. Je suis triste, que tu es malade. Je m’efforcerai de vous remonter si je peux ma chère.
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May 9, 2014 9:28pm
Ryan Sproull

milky, why ask me that ? He will not answer mine.

Kea, please tell me which question of yours I have not answered.

I will answer. There is zero evidence for god or jesus. What we are discussing is a religious fable. It is all made up and all lies. The leading book of lies says, very clearly, Jews killed Jesus. We are discussing a work of fiction. Get it retard ?

So really, for you, this is something like arguing with a Harry Potter fan about Voldemort’s hair colour?

I just want to establish exactly what it is on which you’re spending time and effort here.
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May 9, 2014 9:29pm
Johnboy

Say hello to Ferret for me milky! 🙂
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May 9, 2014 9:30pm
SPC

Kea, how many Jews wrote the Toledot Jeshu book of the Jews alive at that time? How many Jews of the time believed what it said? How many Jews alive at the time it was written had ever heard of it?

It was not a work of the collective of the Jewish people.
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May 9, 2014 9:30pm
Kea

Ryan, Oh my bad. So you DO admit Jews killed Jesus ? If not you are calling the Jews who wrote the bible, and the Toledot Jeshu liars.

You can not have it both ways. Was the bible written by liars or was it not ?

Provide EVIDENCE. Please note you first need to prove God and then Jesus even existed. All I have done is shown you what your absurd and offensive ( to decent people ) religious fables say.
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May 9, 2014 9:31pm
Johnboy

After dozens of very expensive tests and weeks of hospitalization,
the rich old man was told he had only 24 hours to live. He immediately
called his doctor and his lawyer to his room. He asked the doctor to
stand by one side of his bed and his lawyer to stand by the other.
After standing for some time, the doctor asked “What do you want me
to do?”
“Nothing. Just stand there.”
A while later, the lawyer asked “What do you want me to do?”
“Nothing. Just stand there.”
As the hours wore on, the doctor and the lawyer watched the man
weaken. When his time had almost arrived, the doctor and the lawyer
again asked, “Why are we standing here?”
“Well,” said the old man, “Christ died between two thieves, so I
thought I’d do the same!
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May 9, 2014 9:32pm
Kea

Kea, how many Jews wrote the Toledot Jeshu book of the Jews alive at that time? How many Jews of the time believed what it said? How many Jews alive at the time it was written had ever heard of it?

It was not a work of the collective of the Jewish people.

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Why ask me ? Tell ya what. Replace Jew with Muslim and Toledot with some offensive Muslim text and write it out again hypocrite.
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May 9, 2014 9:34pm
Ryan Sproull

Ryan, Oh my bad. So you DO admit Jews killed Jesus ?

I don’t even know if Jesus existed, Kea.

What I said, more than once, is that:

1. Jesus was Jewish.
2. Jesus’ countrymen were Jewish.
3. The story is that Jesus was executed by Roman authorities who were pressured by his countrymen to do so.

So yes, Jesus’ death in the story is allegedly due in large part to the actions of Jewish people.

EDIT: Note, I am saying “the actions of Jewish people”, not “the actions of the Jewish people”, which is kind of my point. It means nothing more to say “Jews killed Jesus” than “people who lived in the country where Jesus lived and died killed Jesus” or “locals killed Jesus”, etc.

My point – and I’m not sure how much clear I can make it – is, “So what?”

You can not have it both ways. Was the bible written by liars or was it not ?

I have no idea.

Provide EVIDENCE. Please note you first need to prove God and then Jesus even existed. All I have done is shown you what your absurd and offensive ( to decent people ) religious fables say.

Kea, can you please point to where I said that Jesus or God exist or have ever existed?
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May 9, 2014 9:36pm
Johnboy

So Jesus is being crucified, and he’s hanging on the cross, when a
small child runs out from the crowd, clambers up the cross and pulls
the nail from Jesus’ hand.

“Thank you my child,” Jesus says, “You will be rewarded in Heaven”.
A second child in the crowd hears this, and thinking he would also
like some heavenly reward, he climbs the other side of the cross and
pulls the nail from Jesus’ other hand.

“You bastard!” says Jesus as he slowly begins to fall forwards.
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May 9, 2014 9:37pm
Kea

“So yes, Jesus’ death in the story is allegedly due in large part to the actions of Jewish people.”

Thanks Ryan. You are a filthy little creep and a liar, but you have shown a glimmer of decency. Keep working on it.
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May 9, 2014 9:38pm
Ryan Sproull

Thanks Ryan. You are a filthy little creep and a liar, but you have shown a glimmer of decency. Keep working on it.

Kea, please point to where I said this:

The Jewish book the Toledot Jeshu gives further insight into Jesus, as well as confirming Jews killed Jesus. (Well they said they did, but SPC and Ryan reckon Jews are filthy liars and I should not believe a word of it. Lied in the bible and lied in the Toledot Jeshu they reckon. )

And please point to where I have said that Jesus or God exist or have ever existed.

And please tell me which question of yours I have not answered.
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May 9, 2014 9:41pm
SPC

Kea 9.34pm, you made the claim that I and Ryan must regard Jews as liars if we did not believe what the Toledot Jeshu book said. But the Jewish people did not write it.
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May 9, 2014 9:42pm
Johnboy

Scholars have long debated the exact ethnicity and nationality of
Jesus. Recently, at a theological meeting in Rome, scholars had a
heated debate on this subject. One by one, they offered their evidence.

THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS JEWISH
1 – He went into his father’s business
2 – He lived at home until the age of 33
3 – He was sure his mother was a virgin, and his mother sure he was God

THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS IRISH
1 – He never got married
2 – He never held a steady job
3 – His last request was a drink

THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS ITALIAN
1 – He talked with his hands
2 – He had wine with every meal
3 – He worked in the builidng trades

THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS CALIFORNIAN
1 – He never cut his hair
2 – He walked around barefoot
3 – He invented a new religion

THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS MEXICAN:
1. His first name was Jesus
2. He was bilingual
3. He was always being harassed by the authorities

THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS BLACK
1. He called everybody “brother”
2. He liked Gospel
3. He couldn’t get a fair trial

THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS A WOMAN …..
1. He had to feed a crowd at a moment’s notice when there was no food
2. He kept trying to get the message across to a bunch of men who JUST
DIDN’T GET IT
3. Even when He was dead, He had to get up because there was more work
for him to do.
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May 9, 2014 9:45pm
SPC

Kea, is there anything lower than an atheist who wants to use a theist text for the purpose of inciting inter-group hatred?
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May 9, 2014 9:46pm
Kea

Ryan, sure I will, just as soon as you point to where I have expressed the views attributed to me ?

I must say you intellectually dishonest types and your boiler plate deceitful games do result in me attributing statements to the wrong person. I have noted that dishonest people tend to show the same behaviours and are never very original. You can always predict what they will do before they even think of it themselves.
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May 9, 2014 9:47pm
Ryan Sproull

Ryan, sure I will, just as soon as you point to where I have expressed the views attributed to me ?

Okay. Which views, and when did I attribute them to you?
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May 9, 2014 9:49pm
stephieboy

Final thought that sums up the day.

Birdbrain , your epitaph.

“Gegen die Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens”

Against stupidity the Gods alone battle in vain.

Friedrich Schiller .
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May 9, 2014 9:51pm
Kea

“Kea, is there anything lower”

SPC, yes. They are called Christians. That is pretty much bottom of the barrel.

I had to laugh at the “inciting inter-group hatred?” from a filthy lying bigot like you who joins the daily hate fest towards Muslims while excusing the disgusting wrongs of your self proclaimed Master Race. While I simply oppose ALL wrongs from ALL groups ALL of the time.

That is why I do not have to excuse; Acid attacks, Raping Kids, Subjugating women and killing, like you have to in defense of “gods chosen” You are a very lucky little creep that there is no hell for you to rot in.
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May 9, 2014 9:54pm
Kea

“Okay. Which views, and when did I attribute them to you?”

Don’t try and be clever Ryan. You blew that contrived facade long ago. You are an idiot and not a good hearted one either. Try not to have too many nightmares tonight. I have a book to read. I hope it can repair the brain injury I have suffered reading your slippery drivel tonight 🙂
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May 9, 2014 9:58pm
Kea

“THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS MEXICAN:
1. His first name was Jesus
”

LOL 🙂
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May 9, 2014 10:01pm
griffith

Kea is so low ants wipe the green goo from their dicks on his head in passing…………EH…..
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May 9, 2014 10:02pm
SPC

Kea 9.54pm, so you now conflate the word atheist with the word Christian – is this to explain your road to Damascus conversion to believing in a bible quote, because you found one that you would like to use against Jews?
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May 9, 2014 10:04pm
Ryan Sproull

Don’t try and be clever Ryan. You blew that contrived facade long ago. You are an idiot and not a good hearted one either. Try not to have too many nightmares tonight. I have a book to read. I hope it can repair the brain injury I have suffered reading your slippery drivel tonight

So you won’t answer my questions about the accusations you made about me, until I answer a question that you won’t make explicit?

I have attributed no views to you, Kea.

You have accused me of a variety of things, from believing in God (reference here), to claiming that “Jews are filthy liars” (reference), to failing to answer some question you asked of me but apparently can’t recall (reference).

And when called on it, you acted like a teenage kid who wants to laugh off his own inability to back up his bullshit and hopes it goes away. (Reference.)

That is sad.

It is not a difficult thing to say, “I made a mistake there. I thought you’d said or meant something that I now see you didn’t. Sorry about that.” I was (and still am) prepared to say exactly that if you had pointed out to me that I had attributed some view to you unfairly.

You clearly got me mixed up in your head with Shawn or some other theist or Christian. And mixed up in your head with someone who didn’t answer some question you asked. And mixed up in your head with someone who said that people who were Jewish weren’t responsible for Jesus’ death in the story. Despite me saying twice that Jesus was killed by people who were Jewish in the story (one, two).

Perhaps you’re drinking. Perhaps you’re stoned. Perhaps you’re overtired, sleep-deprived, had a bad day.

But you have acted like a dick. Go to sleep.
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May 9, 2014 10:09pm
Kea

SPC, Why are you moaning to me about what the bible says ? And so what if it shows Jews unfavourably ? You are not shy about anything that reflects badly on Muslims. Why the double standard ?

Is it because god did not “chose” them ?

griff the freak show once again demonstrates cannabis is not harmless drug.
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May 9, 2014 10:09pm
Kea

Ryan, yes I did you mixed up with the resident bigots. The hint was me actually saying that. But lay down with dogs and you get fleas. Harden up and put an ice pack on your butt hurt. Your only a victim of your own slippery nonsense.
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May 9, 2014 10:12pm
SPC

Kea, if as you say I daily join in a daily hate fest towards Moslems – then provide two quotes over any two days to prove that.

And I am calling you a liar on this – so feel free to back up your invective, if you can. Or run from your personal abuse claim like the snivelling creepy crawly thing you are.

As for, “excusing the disgusting wrongs of your self proclaimed Master Race”, what is with the word “your” – is it evidence that you conflate the people you attack with the persons who question you what you are on about.
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May 9, 2014 10:17pm
Ryan Sproull

Oh, for fuck’s sake.

Sorry, Kea, you did actually say that you mixed me up with other people. My apologies.
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May 9, 2014 10:20pm
mikenmild

No need to apologise. Kea hasn’t (and won’t).
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May 9, 2014 10:25pm
SPC

Kea 10.09pm, “You are not shy about anything that reflects badly on Muslims. Why the double standard?”

Once again you make a lying claim, because it suits your story of how you are atheism’s gift to this blog, and how everyone else is a bigot who has it in for Moslems.

Your use of the bible, when it suits, is insincere. It speaks to credibility. You have none.
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May 9, 2014 10:25pm
Ryan Sproull

No need to apologise. Kea won’t.

Meh. I should have been reading more carefully.
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May 9, 2014 10:28pm
mikenmild

Kea:’I have a book to read.’
Funniest comment on this evening’s GD.
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May 9, 2014 10:33pm
SPC

As to matters Israel, it would appear that Israel Folau’s intentions, as to staying with Union or not, might decide where the wayward wind (Jason Woodward) ends up next year.

He is eligible for Australia next year, but already has offers from the Hurricanes and Chiefs.
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May 9, 2014 10:46pm
SPC

The USA is providing $900M to protect the lives of Arabs from the IDF (coz we all know what will happen if missiles land on targets in Israel).

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11252598
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May 9, 2014 11:02pm
Ryan Sproull

The USA is providing $900M to protect the lives of Arabs from the IDF (coz we all know what will happen if missiles land on targets in Israel).

Do tell. What will happen if “missiles” land on targets in Israel.
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May 9, 2014 11:09pm
SPC

Ryan, you do not know? Really?

Well given past actions, and no change in attitude in the Knesset as to what the reaction should be, the USA and most of the world would have good reason to think it would be at the very least air attacks.
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May 9, 2014 11:23pm
Ryan Sproull

Ryan, you do not know? Really?

Well given past actions, and no change in attitude in the Knesset as to what the reaction should be, the USA and most of the world would have good reason to think it would be at the very least air attacks.

So these rockets (not missiles), which have killed an average of one person per year for the last 13 years (which is, yes, terrorism and criminal), if one of them landed on their target, you’d expect air strikes from the fourth most powerful air force in the world in retaliation.

How many Palestinians completely unrelated to the rockets do you reasonably expect these air strikes would kill?
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May 9, 2014 11:33pm
SPC

Ryan, so you do realise that a shield (a missile shield not just a rocket shield) that prevented an IDF resort to retaliation would save more Arab lives than Israeli.

The wider discussion is moot, the shield’s purpose is to prevent what happened from recurring.

And there would be nothing to debate, if you want an apologist for what happened in the past (and would happen again in the same circumstances) you will have to look elsewhere.
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May 9, 2014 11:43pm
Ryan Sproull

Ryan, so you do realise that a shield (a missile shield not just a rocket shield) that prevented an IDF resort to retaliation would save more Arab lives than Israeli.

Yes. Do you think there are any better ways to prevent Israel from killing masses of civilians than giving them a nearly billion-dollar system to prevent homemade rockets from killing very very few civilians?

Obviously it depends on exactly how many innocent civilians the IDF kills, but I suspect that US$900 million could save a fuck of a lot more Palestinian (and Israeli) lives if it was spent on infrastructure, medicine, education, etc. To the point where we could almost say, “Well, each year a rocket will randomly get through and kill an Israeli citizen, and then the IDF will bomb the shit out of Palestinians and kill a hundred civilians, but a thousand lives are saved by this investment in infrastructure and medicine.”

Now, I know that’s not going to happen. Saving Arab lives isn’t the reason for the expense.

I just think that, “They’re saving Palestinian civilian lives by stopping Palestinian terrorists from doing something that would make Israel so mad that it would kill a bunch of Palestinian civilians” is a bit like saying, “I’m saving Bobby’s face by stopping his mother from saying something that would make her husband so mad that he’d beat them both senseless.”

As in, sure, the end result is Palestinian lives and Bobby’s face are saved, but it’s not really a solution to high-five about.
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May 10, 2014 12:09am
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Ryan, the shield is not just about the home-made weapons of old (the rocket parts are now smuggled into Gaza, they are not home made) but the weapons in Lebanon. It is not really an optional spend. No country threatened by that array of weaponry would do anything other than develop a missile shield.

And no nation that posed as a peace broker, as the US does, could do other than support measures that improved security and deterred future attacks.

“As in, sure, the end result is Palestinian lives and Bobby’s face are saved, but it’s not really a solution to high-five about.”

Given, neither side wants to make the concessions required for peace, sustaining the cease-fire is as good as it gets.
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This article will rejoice and reunite UT and stephieboy, one a dedicated jihadist, the other an unabashed Obama-lover: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/05/08/Obama-Admin-Boko-Haram-Has-Legitimate-Concerns
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