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General Debate 6 May 2014

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mikenmild

Has National released any new policy lately?
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May 6, 2014 6:39pm
Viking2

a bit of levity to this boring discussion.

Cleaning mens Balls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPwhMoQBg_8
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May 6, 2014 6:42pm
Viking2

You will just luv this this. Its all about Adam, Eve and Labour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKAW96N-Vms
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May 6, 2014 6:46pm
David Garrett

Four hours later…still waiting for the link to Hansard which shows Collins saying variations of “I dont recall” and “I believe X to be true” in answer to questions today…That’ll be because at no point did she say either of those things….

freemark: Well said Sir/Madam…
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May 6, 2014 6:46pm
thedavincimode

Has National released any new policy lately?

milky, you suffer from pinkeye; the delusion that changing stuff all the time equates to good gummint. This afflicts your deadbeat mates who are determined to release “policy” irrespective of how stupid it might be, just so they can be seen to be important in the eyes of those of you who suffer your affliction.
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May 6, 2014 6:49pm
Viking2

and if you just want a laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WclFovd8LGQ
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May 6, 2014 6:50pm
Judith

@ David Garrett (5,248 comments) says:
May 6th, 2014 at 6:46 pm

David I don’t think they are available yet. One of my students is searching for something said today in question time, and says they can only find the transcripts from the debates.
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May 6, 2014 6:58pm
thedavincimode

Labour are SHITE,thats a reasonable acessment of their ability.
Yet you are voting for them,why?

lilman

Nursey has a huge hate on Key; supposedly, she has said, because he broke an assurance he once gave her. I don’t think it would an enormous leap to speculate that it had something to do with DB, having regard to the monumental hate chip she carries on her shoulder.

I suspect that Key told her that cabinet would follow any recommendation in relation to awarding compo to DB. Of course, Key had no way of knowing that Binnie was a fuckwit of the first order and was so incompetent and out of his depth that he couldn’t even follow his instructions.
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May 6, 2014 7:01pm
nasska

Now you know. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/12f5f667ewroc8s/Sex%20Ed2.jpg
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May 6, 2014 7:02pm
thedavincimode

No offence milky. I know that wasn’t you. 🙂
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May 6, 2014 7:04pm
OneTrack

mikenmild – “Has National released any new policy lately?”

Has Labour?
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May 6, 2014 7:09pm
David Garrett

Well Jude Baby….if you or your students can find JC using eiother of those two responses, a chocolate fish for you…
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May 6, 2014 7:09pm
freemark

This is for all the Muslim Terrorist lovers, and the haters of America & drones. Your implied support for people & groups like this emboldens & encourages them to kidnap, rape, murder & sell children. Yet you will quite happily call people who believe in the good parents’ ability to correct their children with a smack abusers. Fucking scum.
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May 6, 2014 7:23pm
freemark

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/10012119/Threats-to-sell-300-kidnapped-girls
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May 6, 2014 7:24pm
UglyTruth

Turkish Airlines allegedly shipped weapons to unknown groups in Nigeria, which has been ravaged by violence between the army and Boko Haram militants, a new incriminating phone call revealed on Tuesday.
https://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/03/29/bfp-exclusive-turkish-power-struggle-impedes-natos-campaign-in-syria/

The attack on the Benghazi consulate and CIA annex followed a meeting between Ambassador Stevens and Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin. Seymour Hersh has described what the CIA called the rat line, the supply chain for the Syrian militants overseen by the US in covert cooperation with Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
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May 6, 2014 7:45pm
RF

Watched Labour savaging Judith Collins today. FFS what a bunch of soft cocks. Even the drunken dwarf failed to fire.

JK must be having a few whiskeys tonight in preparation for victory later this year.

Note to self… Must renew membership to the National Party.
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May 6, 2014 7:52pm
nasska

Scientists have discovered a jawbone that they think is over 2 million years old.

They believe it belonged to a woman as it was still moving.
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May 6, 2014 8:00pm
Judith

@ David Garrett (5,250 comments) says:
May 6th, 2014 at 7:09 pm

David Dear – I am far too lazy and far too ‘disinterested’ to be bothered looking for anything any of them said today in a transcript. I listened and decided the whole lot of them (all sides) sounded more like a bunch of bad mannered misfits than a nations leaders.

If they are the best we have to offer, then ‘baby’ are we ever in trouble!

I can’t help but fear we are about to have a ‘melting pot’ mishmash government – my money is that we will return to the polls within 18 months. I hope I’m wrong – I have been on the odd occasion. Don’t you just love MMP!
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May 6, 2014 8:03pm
Judith

@ nasska (9,693 comments) says:
May 6th, 2014 at 8:00 pm

Yeah probably telling some man to put the friggin toilet seat down!!
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May 6, 2014 8:05pm
Southern Raider

Absolutely confused about what news channel to watch going forward.

Just watching 3 News and what a fucken hatchet job on National. First 20 mins attacking National on about 4 different topics including asking Ruth Dyson for feedback on the jobs in ChCh scheme and another insinuating most National MP take bribes for favours.

Guess this is the lefts election strategy. Don’t need policies when you can use the MSM on prime time news to assaninate the Govt
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May 6, 2014 8:15pm
nasska

Funny you should mention it Judith….I’ve heard that expression a few times over the years but now I leave it up & she leaves it down. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2f50qhs940uz117/Toilet%20Seat%20ex%20MG.jpg
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May 6, 2014 8:18pm
Southern Raider

How fucken bad is the media in the country?

Just reading an article in Herald about what is the best country in world to be a mum.

Article starts off saying NZ just scraped into top 20 and then at the end says we are 16 and that is 15 ahead of the USA.

How fuck is 16th place just scrapping in
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May 6, 2014 8:41pm
lilman

Problem,big problem Judith.

You say Key lied and mislead you so you can’t vote for him.
But yet you are willing to vote for the left block,which in itself is a vote for labour.
Cunliffe is a proven liar,without doubt on many occasions he has misled you and me and every single person in the country,FACT.
Yet you are voting left,why?
Under your reasoning you can only vote for someone who doesn’t lie or mislead,good luck with that.
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May 6, 2014 9:06pm
fernglas

Fuckin’ is not spelt fucken. Eh is not spelt aye. Led is not spelt lead. And don’t get me started on apostrophe’s.
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May 6, 2014 9:10pm
mikenmild

It’s actually apostrophes’.
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May 6, 2014 9:12pm
kowtow

fernglas.

I thought you weren’t meant to start a sentence with a conjunction.
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May 6, 2014 9:16pm
Kea

I do not own a television. I attempted to watch some TV tonight in my hotel room while away working. A multitude of channels avaliable. My conclusion is that society is doomed and the end times are upon us ! I suffered brain injury from glancing at the vapid contrived drivel. And I ain’t that bright to start with !
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May 6, 2014 9:25pm
Kea

Freemark @ 7:23 is clearly a big TV watcher and forms his entire world view from it. Hard to fathom such a distorted mind.
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May 6, 2014 9:31pm
fernglas

Thanks Mikenmild. Irony is not lost on you. Kowtow, I thought you weren’t meant to start a sentence with a proposition, so I suppose a shag’s out of the question?
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May 6, 2014 9:34pm
mikenmild

In my day job, I’m a grammar and spelling nazi.
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May 6, 2014 9:41pm
kowtow

fernglas

Who said grammar was boring?Eh?

The one that gets me is bought instead of brought. People pronounce it wrong but now they even spell it wrong.
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May 6, 2014 9:43pm
publicwatchdog

Good evening Kiwibloggers 🙂

Seen this?

http://www.3news.co.nz/Documents-back-Collins-version-of-events—Key/tabid/1607/articleID/342920/Default.aspx

“Prime Minister John Key admits the sequence of events around Judith Collins’ dealings with Oravida in China does make it look as though the Justice Minister has done something wrong.

But he maintains she hasn’t, and says documents released under the Official Information Act over the last few days prove she’s telling the truth.

“People have been making allegations for a long time and actually none of them have had much basis to it,” Mr Key said on Firstline this morning.

“Yes, we accept – and Judith accepts… the combination of events could lead to the perception of a conflict of interest.
But outside of that, actually nothing has changed and nothing is inconsistent.”

Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Documents-back-Collins-version-of-events—Key/tabid/1607/articleID/342920/Default.aspx#ixzz30vHbZ9nd
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What utter CRAP!

Read this ‘Meeting Brief Oravida’ for yourself – it clearly shows that the ‘Visit and Tour of Oravida Facilities’, was pre-planned, and it’s stated ‘Purpose/Objective being:

“To increase the profile of a successful importer and distributor of New Zealand products into China.”

http://www.3news.co.nz/Portals/0/images/MFAT_paper.pdf

Small technical point – Minister of Justice Judith Collins’ husband is a Director of Oravida, and is owned by Mr Deyi (Stone) Shi, her close personal friend, as is fellow Director Julia Xu.

Another small technical point – please note that the following photo, taken of both the Minister of Justice Judith Collins, and the NZ Ambassador to China, Carl Worker, attending the ‘visit and tour of Oravida Facilities’ on 23 October 2013, is STILL up on the Oravida Ltd website:

http://www.oravida.com/lwl/newsen/

“10/23/2013 NZ’s Minister of Justice and NZ’s China Ambassador visit Oravida Shanghai”
_________________________________________________________________________________________________

http://cabinetmanual.cabinetoffice.govt.nz/files/manual.pdf

2.87 No Minister should endorse in any media any product or service.

………………………

2.89 When accepting an invitation, a Minister should inform the organisation that it may not:

(a) use any photos taken of the Minister at the event; or
(b) publicise the event,
______________________________________________________________________________________________

errr……. so – how is the ‘Visit and Tour of Oravida Facilities – not a CLEAR breach of the Cabinet Manual?

WHY IS JUDITH COLLINS NOT BEING STOOD DOWN AS A MINISTER??

In my considered opinion as an anti-corruption campaigner – this is a CORRUPT ‘conflict of interest’. which NZ Prime Minister John Key is trying to minimise and cover-up.

I guess the Prime Minister can’t hold his Ministers accountable to the ‘highest ethical standards’ – if he doesn’t ‘lead from the front’ and practice these himself?

CORRUPT Judith Collins protected by ‘shonky’ John Key?

http://cabinetmanual.cabinetoffice.govt.nz/files/manual.pdf

Conduct of Ministers

2.52 A Minister of the Crown, while holding a ministerial warrant, acts in a number of different capacities:

(a) in a ministerial capacity, making decisions, and determining and promoting policy within particular portfolios;

(b) in a political capacity as a member of Parliament, representing a constituency or particular community of interest;

(c) in a personal capacity.

2.53 In all these roles and at all times, Ministers are expected to act lawfully and to behave in a way that upholds, and is seen to uphold, the highest ethical standards.

Ultimately, Ministers are accountable to the Prime Minister for their behaviour.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption/anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’.
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May 6, 2014 9:46pm
mikenmild

That’s GD fucked for the evening…
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May 6, 2014 9:48pm
Nookin

Penny has lost her Anasol. Crotchety tonight. Splat!!! Right in the middle of repartee.
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May 6, 2014 10:20pm
Ryan Sproull

fernglas

Who said grammar was boring?Eh?

The one that gets me is bought instead of brought. People pronounce it wrong but now they even spell it wrong.

Kowtow,

Mine is people saying they “wrote a blog”. They wrote a blog post. They posted to a blog or on a blog. I’ll accept “they blogged”. But they didn’t fucking “write a blog”.

Oh, and the other one is when people use “text” as the past tense of “to text”. I accept that “text” is now a verb. BUT IF IT IS A FUCKING VERB, ITS PAST TENSE IS “TEXTED”.

“I text you yesterday.” NO, YOU TEXTED ME YESTERDAY. YOU SOUND LIKE YOU’RE SAYING YOU TEXED ME AND YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO TEX.
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May 6, 2014 10:21pm
Ryan Sproull

Oh, and Americans using “would have” to mean “had”.

“If only I would have locked my car last night!” NO. NO, AMERICA. STOP IT.
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May 6, 2014 10:26pm
Kea

Ryan is everything okay at home mate ? 😉
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May 6, 2014 10:27pm
Ryan Sproull

Heh heh heh.
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May 6, 2014 10:29pm
publicwatchdog

Which FACTS don’t you like Nookin?

Or do you like Judith Collins CORRUPT ‘conflicts of interest’ being protected by NZ Prime Minister ‘shonky’ John Key?

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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May 6, 2014 10:38pm
minus

NZ’s minister Tim Grosser tastes Oravida fresh milk in Shanghai

 During Prime Minister John Key’s visit to China, The Honorable Tim Grosser, Minister of Trade, The Right Honorable Sir Donald McKinnon，Chairman of New Zealand China Council visited Sogo Supermarket in Shanghai, where many of the NZ premium products are sold. Among many of the NZ products, Oraivda’s fresh milk and Sanford’s scampi are the newest additions to the product lists, and can certainly be categorized as the most innovative.
04/09/2013
– http://www.oravida.com/lwl/newsen/ [photo]

Penny, from that link you gave
HERE’S ANOTHER ONE !
another of these transparently corrupt bastards drinking New Zealand milk.
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May 6, 2014 11:46pm
Tom Jackson

Labour are SHITE,thats a reasonable acessment of their ability.

They are not.

Like most parties, they have their share of no hopers, but the National Party cannot talk, having alienated a series of respected, centre right politicians who would have brought in votes from across the divide and replaced them with simian derpers like Collins, Bennett, Parata and Tolley, none of whom should be let near a school committee let alone cabinet.

National has some competent people in Joyce, English, Groser, Finlayson and Smith, but this is balanced by horrors such as the two stuffed shirts who represent the Hamilton Electorates.
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May 7, 2014 12:21am
Judith

@ minus

Are any of them married to Oravida Directors, or their family members financially involved with Oravida?
One would expect the Minister of Trade to do such things, it is within his job description, the same for the Chairman of NZ China Council.

But please explain where the role of a Justice Minister, or even the Minister of ACC fits within that same remit, especially when, like it or not, she stands to benefit personally via her husband?

There is a vast difference between the examples you give and Collins.

We expect our Ministers to do what is right for the country, and IF as Collins has claimed it was a spur of the moment thing, to fill in time and promote NZ, then it is acceptable for her to step outside the boundaries of her ministerial remit –

BUT, we also expect integrity from our Ministers, and the fact that she is married to a director, and therefore personally involved, makes her actions wrong and foolhardy. I do not think she is an idiot, she is a very intelligent calculated woman, and therefore she did not just ‘forget’ that part of her responsibilities. She did a very big ‘favour’ to her husband, on our time when the circumstances should have stopped her.

All that is required was a ‘I’m sorry, I didn’t think it through and realise how it would be interpreted by the public’ and all this would have gone away – no OIA’s, no long drawn out comedy routines in the house by the opposition. An instant apologies would have taken the wind out of any argument. New Zealander’s are forgiving people – this would brushed over quickly with minimal damage to the party and the PM, and anyone continually dragging it up would have been met with ‘look, she apologised – move on’ – but instead Collins subsequent actions and demeanor have made it what it has become. She has no one to blame but herself, because if the situation was reversed, she would be gunning for the opposition like they are, her.
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May 7, 2014 5:58am
ShawnLH

No, Labour are definitely shite. A truly corrupt and evil party.
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May 7, 2014 6:47am
ShawnLH

“Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption/anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’.”

Should read: “Penny Bright-corrupt lefty thief who cries like a baby when the cops through her in a van.”
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May 7, 2014 6:57am
Azeraph

There’s no way Judith or anyone can spin this out, it doesn’t matter how one phrases it or employs whatever beatup one can come up with. The relationship she has with the people involved and her physical where abouts at the times stated are historical facts that can’t be distorted.

What was she thinking? She could bring the party down, her husband played the hand and now even he would have been affected. It’s a game but the public are not total blinded idiots. I smell arrogance and where’s our so called tree’s?
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