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Kea

“If you want to keep talking to the friends of Jesus Kea get more rational. You just look stupid when you go over the top.”

johnboy, give an example ?

I know truth is hard to accept as we are not used to hearing it, but every single claim I make can be checked. I am careful of what sources I use and most are from Israel itself. If someone finds the truth “over the top” it is not my problem.
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May 3, 2014 6:26pm
ShawnLH

Kea, the problem as Johnboy points out is your own rhetoric. You leave yourself open to the accusation of being a Jew hater when your sole focus is on them, and your rhetoric in regards to them is so clearly dripping with disdain and hate.

There are probably dozens of ways to truly oppose war and religious persecution if that really is your concern, without falling into the trap of engaging in persecutory rhetoric.

Moreover, your basing your claims on a very thin and dubious assertion, that the war against Islamic terrorism is somehow a form of religious persecution. But that is hyperbole to say the least, and it ignores the fact that on KB most of the supporters of that war are not even religious folks, let alone Christians or Jews.

Your problem is that you don’t seem to know how to make an argument without using extremist rhetoric and put downs, and ridiculously loaded questions, along the lines of “have you stopped beating your wife yet?”

If you approach people in that way, your not going to get a debate, your going to get a flame war.
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May 3, 2014 6:28pm
Kea

ShawnLH , oh for Gods sake don’t YOU start running for the moral high ground and lecturing others about hyperbole, dubious assertions and rhetoric.

It is very clear I am opposed to religion because of all the death and suffering that goes along with it. But singling out particular groups is even worse. As the Jews well know.

The notion I am against Jews is just absurd. Why on earth would an atheist be against Jews ? I don’t want them harmed or their neighbors. What possible benefit would come from persecuting people I regard highly for their intellectual contributions and who are increasingly atheist ?
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May 3, 2014 6:36pm
nasska

Seems about right. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rfhust3dqctdezp/Beneficiary%20Alarm%20Clock.jpg
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May 3, 2014 6:38pm
Johnboy

I enjoy reading some of your stuff Kea and I miss you when you are gone but you are your own worst enemy.

Look back at tonight’s thread and think about things! 🙂

Night all! 🙂
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May 3, 2014 6:39pm
Lucia Maria

On a completely different topic, we have just spent way too much money this year on the kids’ computers.

$500 on a new screen for a 20 month old laptop (that originally cost $1500), because one of the hinges was cracking and barely holding on with electrical tape. This is for our Year 12 boy.

For our Year 9 boy, for whom it is compulsory to have a laptop at school, after spending $650 at the beginning of the year for an ASUS tablet with detachable keyboard, we’ve just bought him a $750 touchscreen HP laptop with a more expensive case ($80) as well as a $130 extended warranty, because we couldn’t bring ourselves to spend $450 plus associated courier costs fixing his ASUS tablet glass screen (not to mention all the delay in getting it for school which starts next week), which cracked on the last day of the term because he leaned a wall with it in his backpack and the backpack on his back. In the US, apparently ASUS will repair free of charge in the first year, but no so here in NZ.

I don’t even want to add all that up. I suppose I should be glad I’ve only got 2 children.

We probably should have got the ASUS repaired, but hopefully, since the Year 9 boy likes the new laptop more (it can play the more high powered games he likes and the ASUS couldn’t), he will be more careful with it.

I keep thinking that the money could have gone to better use.
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May 3, 2014 6:47pm
Kea

“Seems about right.”

nasska, the world would be a better place with a clock like that 🙂
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May 3, 2014 6:48pm
Kea

$500 on a new screen for a 20 month old laptop (that originally cost $1500)

Lucy, must be a dam fine laptop for that money. My whole computer only cost about $500 and has worked reliably for years.

I have a different one for work though.
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May 3, 2014 6:50pm
nasska

Kea

If you happen to venture into the ghetto known as the Cameron Block on the eastern side of Masterton you’d realise that there’d be a clock like that at every bedside.
But they don’t make the world or their neighbourhood a better place. A more over-fecund, scruffy, unsmiling, unwashed pack of no hopers you’d never find. 🙂
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May 3, 2014 6:55pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

Laptops always cost more than the equivalent desktop computer. It is a damn fine laptop, mainly because my husband insisted we get an SSD drive (no moving parts), and it had to be good enough specification-wise, to last a number of years. For school, they need devices that load quickly and have good battery life, and boys tend to want their laptops for gaming (therefore more cost).
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May 3, 2014 6:58pm
nasska

Lucia

Have a look at ref: http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/laptops/laptops/lenovo/auction-722479087.htm

My laptop died last week & the robust construction of this one appeals as a replacement.

Edit: I have a feeling that the cause of death of my last one was dropping it out the door of the Landcruiser.
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May 3, 2014 7:01pm
Kea

nasska, still seems like a lot to spend, unless you need it for something specific. I only use mine for reading, youtube, this and non work emails. Mine is a cheapy and does it all with no issues.
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May 3, 2014 7:09pm
nasska

My preferences in a replacement laptop limit choices Kea. I’d rather stick to Lenovo as I’ve had a great run out of them so far. Secondly, I’m buggered if I’m going to have Win 8 forced on me…..it’s got to be Win 7.

I’d rather pay a few bob extra than have something that I don’t want.
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May 3, 2014 7:16pm
Lucia Maria

Nasska,

Google for reviews on it and see if it’s worth the money.

I find it’s best to physically look at them (in the store) to decide if they’re going to work for you.

Then again, it does look good. Not a lot of storage, but if you’re not installing heaps of software or making videos, that shouldn’t be a problem. It does have an SSD drive,and mobile broadband, but it doesn’t look like it’s got the touchscreen, which a lot of the newer laptops have now. Not that my laptop has a touchscreen, so I don’t miss it, but my Year 9 boy loves it. It probably wouldn’t survive being dropped out of a landcruiser (LOL), but you never know.

Main thing that would put me off would be that it’s ex-demo.
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May 3, 2014 7:18pm
Judith

@ nasska (9,649 comments) says:
May 3rd, 2014 at 7:01 pm

Crikey nasska, I bought one for the irresponsible teenager for $200 –
A lenovo, 2.3 GHz dual core, 2gb ram 140 gb hdd, 15″ screen – corporate quality – refurbished. Not brand new, but $1000 cheaper!
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May 3, 2014 7:31pm
nasska

The OS is a problem with older second hand stuff Judith. I mourn XP & I’m resigned to W7 but W8 will be avoided at all costs.

I’ll go new but I want something that’ll last the distance.
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May 3, 2014 7:37pm
Judith

It has Win 7’s on it (home premium). Only a year old, and even had a brand new battery in it.

But yeah, I can understand you wanting new – good luck finding one with Win 7 on it – they all have 8.
I bought a tablet today but steered clear of anything with Win 8 on it.
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May 3, 2014 7:39pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Are you comparing Windows 8 to Len Brown? 🙂
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May 3, 2014 7:40pm
Nostradamus

Just to clarify, Nasska, I was referring to your statement that “I want something that’ll last the distance”.
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May 3, 2014 7:41pm
ShawnLH

“It is very clear I am opposed to religion because of all the death and suffering that goes along with it.”

Yes, your an anti-religious bigot. I already knew that.

Death and suffering go with human civilisation. Take religion out and it makes no difference. Atheist Communist regimes killed vast numbers of people in a very short amount of time.

Religion is not the problem. The human heart is.

“The notion I am against Jews is just absurd.”

You laid into them so often and with such venom that it was, far from being absurd, a reasonable conclusion. If the conclusion is wrong, that’s entirely your fault.

You hung yourself. Don’t blame others or DPF, man up and take responsibility for your own rhetoric.
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May 3, 2014 7:46pm
Kea

stupidboy, I have taken responsibility and stood my ground with no excuses, blamed no one, and I WILL continue to do so. So no idea what you are on about ? Are you still drinking ?

You just keep on being immoral and appealing to the popular in the mistaken belief you are securing a place in heaven by defending what is wrong when done by gods special chosen ones.
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May 3, 2014 7:51pm
nasska

Bevan rated him as a four out of ten Nostradamus…..he might have been a bit quick on the trigger. 🙂
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May 3, 2014 7:59pm
nasska

Such an unfair world. When a man talks dirty to a woman its considered sexual harassment. When a woman talks dirty to a man its $5.50/min (higher rates from mobiles).
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May 3, 2014 8:02pm
stigie

Thats why JB has sheep Nasska ,no cost, easy to talk to and very low maintenance, can see the attraction !~
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May 3, 2014 8:09pm
Judith

$ 5.50 a minute? Bloody hell I’m in the wrong job!
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May 3, 2014 8:10pm
nasska

But why would a townie buy a sheep to talk to stigie? Renting has to be the way to go. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mhwb58h345pccli/kiwiphonesex.jpg
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May 3, 2014 8:17pm
stephieboy

Lucia Maria, its worthwhile going to the Computer thread on Trade Me and search there. its a topic often raised about suitable replacement laptops. If you have a 9 year old or thereabouts ,seriously consider a Tablet , especially an ipad . If your on a budget then the Google Nexus is serious contender, otherwise a Samsung is a good option.
As pointed out the Internet is another source of useful information, especially sites like C/Net
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May 3, 2014 8:18pm
Steve (North Shore)

8.15 and no joke. Kiwiblog has become far too serious with the god botherers and commie greens and the no policy liarbours.
Great party you corksoakers are having all day every day. It is not a Debate, it is just kids fighting.
DPF, do something
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May 3, 2014 8:18pm
Nostradamus

Steve:

Knock yourself out here 🙂

Is it just me, or has the comment editing function been disabled for everyone?
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May 3, 2014 8:21pm
nasska

A woman went to her doctor for a follow-up visit after the doctor had prescribed testosterone for her. She was a little worried about some of the side effects she was experiencing. “Doctor, the hormones you’ve been giving me have really helped, but I’m afraid that you’re giving me too much. I’ve started growing hair in places that I’ve never grown hair before.” The doctor reassured her. “A little hair growth is a perfectly normal side effect of testosterone. Just where has this hair appeared?” “On my balls…”
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May 3, 2014 8:28pm
Lucia Maria

Stephieboy,

Too late now, it’s all bought and being played with as we speak, while chatting online through headphones to his friend. He’s got the equivalent of a tablet with a keyboard: this is what we bought.

Year 9 is a 13 year old, first year of college, equivalent to a 3rd former btw.
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May 3, 2014 8:37pm
Steve (North Shore)

test comment edit,
edit.
Works fine Nostradamus, maybe ask a slyofficer
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May 3, 2014 8:38pm
Viking2

Right at the end of a programme recently, there was a discussion about the obscene cost of entry into Premiership football games, the cheapest price of £60 and £100 per game is not uncommon.
An older chap being interviewed said he could recall many years ago arriving at the turnstiles (it was probably West Ham United): “That will be ten quid, mate”.
“What?!” the old chap said “I could get a woman for that!”

The guy on the turnstile retorted, “Not for 45 minutes each way with a brass band and a meat pie in the interval, you wouldn’t!”
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May 3, 2014 8:45pm
Nostradamus

Test
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May 3, 2014 8:52pm
Nostradamus

Hmmm, that’s weird, I can’t edit my own comments.
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May 3, 2014 8:52pm
Lucia Maria

I’ve had the commenting edit thing not work from time to time and then it just starts working again. Probably the service is down. I’ll check if I can edit this.

EDIT: yep.
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May 3, 2014 8:54pm
Nostradamus

Thanks Lucia. I’ll hold my breath and wait – hopefully my edit function will be restored before I crackle and pop!
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May 3, 2014 8:58pm
Steve (North Shore)

Testing negative Lucy. I don’t downtick coz it is childish – but I did a test for you.
Sorry
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May 3, 2014 8:59pm
Judith

@ Nostradamus (2,783 comments) says:
May 3rd, 2014 at 8:58 pm

The ability to edit is determined by sins confessed and those which remain un-repented.

Perhaps if you tell us every sin you have committed over the last year or so, we could help you identify which one is causing the problem.

🙂 🙂 🙂
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May 3, 2014 9:02pm
nasska

Perhaps Nostradamus would be more interested in purchasing indulgences for future use Judith.

Pay in advance plan. 🙂
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May 3, 2014 9:04pm
Viking2

http://www.flixxy.com/the-cup-song-you-re-gonna-miss-me-when-im-gone.htm
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May 3, 2014 9:04pm
Judith

@ nasska (9,655 comments) says:
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:04 pm

Well yes, that is another option. I guess it depends how important the editing is to him, and the level of indulgence he enjoys! 😉
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May 3, 2014 9:08pm
Viking2

Scientists believe that elderly people have so much information in their brain that it takes longer for them to access it.

Scientists believe that older people do not decline mentally with age, it just takes them longer to recall facts because they have more information in their brains,

It has been suggested that much like a computer struggles as the hard drive gets full, in the same way humans take longer to access their stored information,

Researchers say this slowing down it is not the same as cognitive decline.

“The human brain works slower in old age,” said Dr. Michael Ramscar, “but only because we have stored more information over time

“The brains of older people do not get weak. On the contrary, they simply know more.”

SO THERE!! We Are All Brilliant!
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May 3, 2014 9:09pm
nasska

Money up front, sin later is the plan Judith. Say, $10 for little fibs through to $200 for bestiality should cover it.

I’ll split 60/40 with you on all sales. 🙂
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May 3, 2014 9:13pm
Nostradamus

Judith:

Perhaps if you tell us every sin you have committed over the last year or so, we could help you identify which one is causing the problem.

Oh dear – where would I start?

I find Nasska’s suggestion that I ignore the past and focus on the future slightly more attractive. Not sure how his pay in advance plan would work though – does it come with a money-back guarantee? 🙂
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May 3, 2014 9:14pm
Judith

@ nasska (9,656 comments) says:
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:13 pm

Who pays the GST ?
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May 3, 2014 9:16pm
Lucia Maria

Thanks, Steve. Someone else downticked anyway.

So, you reckon I must be the purest one here, Judith! I think it’s more likely that the editing comment people have the users divided up into data sections (random from our point of view) and one or more of those sections are down. I’m still active, purely by chance. 🙂

Nostradamus, yep, just wait. And be more careful with your comments so you don’t have to edit them.
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May 3, 2014 9:18pm
nasska

Total guarantee of satisfaction Nostradamus. If you’re stopped at the Pearly Gates & St Peter dropkicks your sorry arse down to the inferno we’ll refund your money in full 🙂
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May 3, 2014 9:18pm
Judith

@ Nostradamus (2,784 comments) says:
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:14 pm

does it come with a money-back guarantee?

I’m sorry, but the giver cannot be held responsible for whether the receiver enjoys the experience or not.

Surely you know this – the situation has existed throughout history – ask any couple!
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May 3, 2014 9:20pm
nasska

….”Who pays the GST ?”….

It’s always tax & small details that derail schemes like these. 🙂
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May 3, 2014 9:20pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

If you’re stopped at the Pearly Gates & St Peter dropkicks your sorry arse down to the inferno we’ll refund your money in full

The only problem with that, of course, is that money has no material value in the afterlife. So, if money has no material value, then a money-back guarantee would be similarly worthless!
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May 3, 2014 9:21pm
Judith

Bugger Nasska, see his comment at 9.21pm – this one is too smart – 😉
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May 3, 2014 9:23pm
nasska

….” So, if money has no material value, then a money-back guarantee would be similarly worthless!”….

Good point Nostradamus….we’ll hold on to the cash & post you an IOU. 🙂
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May 3, 2014 9:26pm
stephieboy

tom hunter (4,023 comments) says:
May 3rd, 2014 at 2:21 pm
… the Senate Bi Partisan review committee

” in your life , given that you twice claimed Mitt Romney was a GOP member of Congress (even after being corrected once), then claiming that Abraham Lincoln was the GOP governor of Illinois, followed by claims that the Tea Party was pro-war – which I had to refute twice by referring you to what none other than antiwar.com had to say about Tea Party opposition to Obama’s Syrian adventure – I think it would be fair to say that you have absolutely no idea about US politics beyond what you read in Media Matters.”

I can’t recall claiming Mitt Romney was a GOP member of Congress but I do recall,mistakenly, saying that Abraham Lincoln was Governor of Illinois. I acknowledged the mistake. I cant recall saying the Tea Party was pro War ,but I did say it was a lot of other things and I stand by that. What I see is the Libertarian and Isolationist faction in the Tea Party ,influenced by Ron Paul , taking a stance against intervention in Syria.. But the more Nationalist Sarah Palin faction wanting amore pro active interventionist Foreign policy including Syria

“Ron Paul looks for ways to avoid contact with the world, whereas Sarah Palin would rather win than withdraw.”,

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/67455/walter-russell-mead/the-tea-party-and-american-foreign-policy

Pretty confusing isn’t it. ? Any stance I’ve taken is pretty reasonable and understandable under the circumstances .

As for the rest. Yes I copied and pasted because that was exactly what Fletch was doing..It was an attempt to get my point across instead of relying on my links which are often not read. It was an attempt to counteract that.Pure and simple Regardless what you think of Media Matters , you present your own evidence and facts that clearly show there was a cover up , a conspiracy by the Obama administration over Benghazi.I would also say you know nothing about US Politics other than what Fox News tells you.

Finally , you’ve never, never ever, ever made a mistake.?
Never.?
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May 3, 2014 9:27pm
Viking2

No dole before 25: youth will have to earn or learn

PATRICIA KARVELAS
The Australian
May 03, 2014 12:00AM

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TOUGH new “learn or earn” rules that will deprive all people younger than 25 from receiving the general unemployment payment and push them onto the lower-paying Youth Allowance are set to be unveiled in the federal budget.

The Weekend Australian can reveal that the Abbott government’s first budget will contain a huge welfare reform package with a range of measures, including extending by three years the period before which young people can apply for the Newstart Allowance.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/budget-2014/no-dole-before-25-youth-will-have-to-earn-or-learn/story-fnmbxr2t-1226903967790#
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May 3, 2014 9:27pm
Nostradamus

Nasska has reminded me of one of my more interesting law school assignments.

The hypothetical client wanted to sue a fortune teller for committing an offence under some statute or other – from memory it had something to do with fraud. Now this was some years ago, so my memory of the relevant facts is hazy, but I’m pretty sure that the fortune teller hadn’t offered a money-back guarantee either! So it was essentially a case involving providing services under false pretences.

Hopefully that doesn’t kick-start another religious debate 🙂
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May 3, 2014 9:28pm
Viking2

Why tax only ones who pay?

Natasha Bita
The Australian
May 03, 2014 12:00AM

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ONLY a fraction of Australians pay more in taxes than they pocket in taxpayer benefits over a lifetime — yet Tony Abbott’s debt tax will punish these very people.

The median Australian household gains $114 a week more in government benefits than it pays in taxes.
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May 3, 2014 9:28pm
Jack5

A coming challenge to NZ dairy exporting is a connection to the dirty business of palm oil, for which South-East Asian rain forests are being cleared.

May of our dairy farmers use a byproduct, palm kernel, as supplementary feed.

For a view of the controversial palm oil business:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/indonesian-villagers-driven-from-villages-in-palm-oil-land-theft-a-967198.html#ref=nl-international
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May 3, 2014 11:03pm
adze

I see McLauchlan over at DimPost has straight out admitted why the Greens get a free ride on his blog:

“And it means that the blog has a pro-Green slant, not because I support them, especially, but because I don’t write negative posts about them because I don’t want to provoke a fight with my wife.”

Lol, I knew it. 🙂
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