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Elaycee

No-one can ever accuse Hone Harawira of being a ‘Yes’ man….

‘Cos whenever Kim says ‘No’, Hone says ‘No’…. 😆
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May 30, 2014 8:00am
kowtow

Here’s an example of the death of free speech in the UK.A pastor can’t express genuinely and sincerely held views on Islam without the police investigating for ‘hate speech”.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/robinson-and-mcguinness-clash-over-pastor-s-muslims-remarks-1.1813595
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May 30, 2014 8:10am
mandk

This is interesting, a Decile 1 school with 90% achievement at NCEA 1,2, and 3, and 74% UE.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11264263

What stands out is that the school places great emphasis on pastoral care and has high expectations of the pupils.
Disadvantage is no excuse for failure. But, regrettably, it is often used as an excuse.
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May 30, 2014 8:11am
Keeping Stock

@ Elaycee – ain’t that the truth. And why wouldn’t he, for half a million big ones?

Every man has his price, and we now know what Hone’s was.
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May 30, 2014 8:12am
Brian Smaller

On TV last night Laila Harre said she didn’t mind the finer things in life. Spoken like a true socialist. The finer things in life are great, especially when someone else is paying for them.
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May 30, 2014 8:14am
duggledog

This whole Kim Dotcom / Mana / Laila Harre debacle has made me seriously wonder at the thinking processes of this country’s inhabitants. The polls still show that on the other side of the house there is still, even now, 40 – 45% per cent support of a Labour Party bereft of workable policy or even a semblance of being all on the same page, a Green party that will certainly seek to destroy everything, the above mentioned scam and I don’t even want to describe Winston Peters. All hell bent on destroying a government that could hardly be described as tyrannically right wing, and has a racist party as a coalition partner!

This is why I chickened out of buying Meridian etc shares. When I looked at those numbers, it was just too big a risk. Maybe I will regret it in 25 years when we have 50% sensible Asians in Auckland who will have voted to wind back the welfare state, but I’ll be a very old man then – probably senile!
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May 30, 2014 8:15am
EAD

The Libertarian fightback begins:

There is a “twitter” uproar in the UK because a UKIP Councillor has refused to attend “equality training” as she views it as being indoctrination and she doesn’t want to have her views “corrected”:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/05/27/ukip-councillor-i-wont-attend-equality-training-as-its-indoctrination/

All I can say is well done her for refusing to kowtow to the selectively-illiberal politically-correct pieties of cultural-marxist state-enforced equality authoritarianism.

Here is a little secret of mine – I discriminate all the time……………………………….mostly against stupidity and hypocrisy which is found in droves in all sectors of government (especially local).

I discriminate against certain foods and or activities and one could say that I have discriminating taste in a number of other areas.

I discriminate when choosing my friends and who I work for and who I won’t.

Discrimination is a sign of logic, reason and intelligence.
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May 30, 2014 8:15am
Fletch

What with Kim Dot Com and Leila joining Hone and Minto, it’s almost like the league of super villains team up 🙂
At least Bradford has gone, I guess.

Can anyone come up with some cool supervillain names?
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May 30, 2014 8:19am
Fletch

According to one report, in Houston, men are now allowed to use women’s restrooms etc – all in the name of equality you know.
I can’t see anything going wrong with this policy, can you?

HOUSTON, Texas—Houston’s bathrooms, showers, and dressing facilities will now be open to all, regardless of gender, gender identity, gender expression, or other predilection of gender behavior. By an 11-6 vote of the Houston City Council, Mayor Annise Parker achieved this as the crowning jewel of her tenure as mayor.
Mayor Parker, Houston’s first openly gay mayor, said passing this ordinance was not the most important thing she has done in office, according to an article in the Fairfield Citizen, but it is the “most personally meaningful thing I will ever do as mayor.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/05/28/Houston-Mayor-Forces-All-to-Open-Girls-Rooms-to-Men
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May 30, 2014 8:22am
Fletch

Transgender is the new civil rights battle, according to Time magazine, which has a transgender man on its latest cover, with the caption saying, “The Transgender Tipping Point – America’s next civil rights frontier”

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/time-mag-cover-transgender-tipping-point
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May 30, 2014 8:23am
Keeping Stock

Here’s a new acronym for a Friday – can you imagine being governed by a coalition of David Cunliffe and the GIMPs? Labour, Green, Internet, Mana and Peters is hardly a recipe for stable, low-spending government…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/of-david-and-gimps.html
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May 30, 2014 8:27am
SPC

kowtow, Christianity is heathen, Christianity is satanic, Christianity is a doctrine spawned in hell. They have persecuted non Christians as well as those of rival churches. And they have formed cells across many nations to perpetuate their crime against humanity. Now people say there are good Christians – that may be so – but I don’t trust them.

And no thanks to Christians of the past for the right of free speech to say this – over their dead (royal) beast bodies came this right of free speech.
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May 30, 2014 8:27am
igm

Lollies banned at Waikato Hospital! What about KFC for obese PIs in coronary care wards throughout NZ? I have seen this and it is bloody awful, not only do they make little effort to rehabilitate themselves, they eat crap all day, costing taxpayers a hell of a lot more than any other ethnicity. In some cases, they have been flown here from the Islands (at our expense), depriving those that have paid a lifetime of heavy taxes the opportunity for surgery.
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May 30, 2014 8:28am
Fletch

This is a worrying article – UK Parliament comes to an effective end. “Europe has succeeded in subordinating the parliaments of its nation states, including the UK, to become the equivalent of local councils within a wider United States of Europe” ~ Wishart.

On the 1st November 2014 the right of Parliament to legislate over us in 43 areas, the important ones, will be removed and be made subject to approval. They call it QMV, Qualified Majority Voting.

Each member State will lose it right of Veto over these areas, so Cameron’s idea of negotiation to recover any areas goes out the window at the same time.

The following areas of competence will switch from requiring unanimous approval of all member states to qualified majority voting only:

Initiatives of the High Representative for Foreign Affairs – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Administrative co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Asylum – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Border controls – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Citizens’ initiative regulations – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Civil protection – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Committee of the Regions – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Common defence policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Crime prevention incentives – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Criminal judicial co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Criminal law – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Culture – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Diplomatic & Consular protection – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV
Economic & Social Committee – Nice: QMV Lisbon: QMV
Emergency international aid – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV
Energy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
EU budget – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Eurojust – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
European Central Bank – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
European Court of Justice – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Europol – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Eurozone external representation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Foreign Affairs High Representative election – Lisbon: QMV
Freedom of movement for workers – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Freedom to establish a business – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon QMV
Freedom, security, justice, co-operation & evaluation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
General economic interest services – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Humanitarian aid – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Immigration – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Intellectual property – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Organisation of the Council of the EU – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Police co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
President of the European Council election – Lisbon: QMV
Response to natural disasters & terrorism – Lisbon: QMV
Rules concerning the Armaments Agency – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Self-employment access rights – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Social Security Unanimity – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Space – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Sport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Structural & Cohension Funds – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Tourism – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Transport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Withdrawal of a member state – Lisbon: QMV

A brief review of the Treaties confirms the Transitional arrangements which allow, only on specific votes, for the Nice Treaty Provisions to apply from 1st November 2014 until March 2017, hence I imagine PM David Cameron’s determination to delay our referendum beyond that date, tying Britain for ever within the non-democratic, totalitarian and now clearly despotic EU.

For your reference, if anyone interested in the Treaty Articles behind this change, here is the legal bit. http://grahnlaw.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/eu-qualified-majority-voting-qmv.html

http://pjcjournal.wordpress.com/2014/05/16/uk-parliament-comes-to-an-effective-end/
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May 30, 2014 8:29am
mandk

@ Fletch,
And so it goes on.
Next on the ghastly progressive agenda will fighting for the civil rights of people who are drawn to inter-generational love.
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May 30, 2014 8:31am
Harriet

“…..Here’s an example of the death of free speech in the UK.A pastor can’t express genuinely and sincerely held views on Islam without the police investigating for ‘hate speech”…..”

Kowtow I picked this interesting comment up on that matter.

The “knock on the door” could well come about almost anywhere in the UK for those who dare to speak out about the evil of homosexual ideology[or Islam, in the form of a European Arrest Warrant.
This is an instrument of EU totalitarianism adopted by a “conservative” British government by which a British subject can be arbitrarily arrested anywhere in the EU member states for what may not be crimes in the UK, or indeed for the most trivial of reasons.
Gone is the presumption of innocence unless proved guilty in a court of law. Gone is habeas corpus (the uniquely British requirement to hold a person under arrest for a set period only, then charge via a magistrate, or release) – once the central pillar of justice under the Magna Carta for centuries.
Such a person can languish in a foreign gaol for months, without being formally charged, so is “punished” before guilt is established. Indeed many Brits have already experienced this travesty of justice.
Under the regime of the European Union the police state is already well advanced in the UK.
Fortunately the rise of UKIP (UK Independence Party) with astonishing results in the recent ‘Euro’ elections gives rise for hope that such gross injustices may yet be reversed.

http://billmuehlenberg.com/2014/05/28/that-knock-on-the-door-in-the-middle-of-the-night/
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May 30, 2014 8:33am
SPC

Via the “Harmful Digital Communications” Bill anyone of us could be silenced by the threat of criminal action against us because “our speech” caused someone hurt.

Thus “hate speech” style censorship is coming to the internet in New Zealand via this current government.

http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/a-committee-of-fuckwits.html
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May 30, 2014 8:42am
doggone7

Brian Smaller; “The finer things in life are great, especially when someone else’s paying for them.”

The finer things of life enjoyed by Graeme Hart have been paid for by someone else?
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May 30, 2014 8:42am
Brian Smaller

doggone – Yes they were, but the finer things he enjoys came about by him buying and selling stuff (businesses, products, services etc). If people didn’t want what he offered, he would be still driving a tow truck or whatever it was he did. He enjoys the fruits of his own labours. He just made a crap load more fruit than me. Socialists want the fruits of other people’s labours because they are generally too lazy or stupid to grow their own.
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May 30, 2014 8:51am
itstricky

Come off it Brian – you lefties are always jealous of rich pricks!
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May 30, 2014 8:53am
duggledog

I think National need to start the campaign right now before the GIMPs get too embedded. I was listening to Willie Jackson and Alison Mau and Chris Trotter yesterday on their liberal / hard left / unionist / racist show, and the number of numb-nut callers they had ringing in showing tacit approval of the Internet / Mana crock was astounding. Granted, the callers sounded like uneducated layabout whack jobs to a man – who has time to ring talkback? But come on guys, get started!

All the National Party strategists need to do is put up large billboards showing the differential between the last two terms of Labour and the first two terms of this government – in particular how much prices increased as opposed to now.
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May 30, 2014 8:55am
igm

Graeme Hart was given a helping hand by the Lange government. He purchased Government Print for roughly the value of its printing contracts. This caused quite a stir, but Graeme could not be blamed for grabbing a fire sale bargain . . . good on him. Bet he still does not vote Labour.
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May 30, 2014 8:56am
itstricky

Brian, on a more serious note I’m sure d7s point was that GH was selling rotten apples.
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May 30, 2014 9:07am
wiseowl

EAD @ 8.15
Congratulations to that councillor.

Unfortunately we have had similar type indoctrination of our councillors in this country. Treaty workshops all around the country spreading bias about the treaty. (and National goes along with it)

I have only heard of one councillor in Rotorua standing up against unelected race based seats on his council.Good on him .
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May 30, 2014 9:10am
kowtow

wiseowl

Treaty indoctrination.

Indeed.

And how many state sector jobs do we see advertised where one of the “qualities” required for employment is “Supports the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi”?

Yet some 80% of the population do not support this state mandated requirement,as proven in various referenda and opinion polls.
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May 30, 2014 9:34am
doggone7

Brian Smaller

I know virtually nothing about Ms Harré so can’t comment on the fruits of her labour but you have directly implied that someone else paid for the finer things she enjoys in her life. I realise Graeme Hart put himself in a position through his ‘labour’ that others would pay him so he could enjoy the finer things in life. Was it different for Ms Harré ?
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May 30, 2014 9:40am
James Stephenson

On TV last night Laila Harre said she didn’t mind the finer things in life.

Such as, apparently, membership of a Napoleonic wars renactment society?
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May 30, 2014 9:45am
Harriet

Is Cunliffe going to march on Rome under the Nazi and Palestinian Flags with Dotcrim, Minto, Hone, Harre et al?

Yep ……….and under MMP! 😎

And that’s German too y’now! 😎
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May 30, 2014 9:53am
Redbaiter

Here’s an article all the insufferable JK fanboys who hang out at Kiwiblog need to read. I’ve been saying for sometime that staking NZ’s economic future on a relationship with the Chicom generals is a mistake.

We should only trade with our political allies, and trading with China today is tantamount to trading with Nazi Germany before WWII.

JK and the Nats are a bunch of weak blind fools and cuddling up to Communist China is one of the biggest mistakes they have made.

Unfortunately its not only the Nats who have engaged with the Chicoms. Most western countries have similarly reached out to these war mongering communists.

Readers here have to face the facts. All across the West, we have been badly betrayed by govts who stand as right wing, but act as left wing. National in NZ, the Republicans in the US and the Conservatives in the UK have all betrayed their founding principles and taken us far down the communist road.

The NZ’s govt fawning relationship with Red China is one of the worst examples of this betrayal. To stake NZ’s future on an economic pact with these totalitarian monsters is a reckless gamble that could easily end in real disaster.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/10102271/Too-much-at-risk-to-stay-quiet
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May 30, 2014 10:03am
Lucia Maria

Remember the story just a couple of days ago where a woman was stoned to death in public by her family for marrying the wrong man? Well, it turns out he killed his first wife so that he could marry her. Lovely.

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) — The husband of Farzana Parveen, the Pakistani woman stoned to death for refusing to participate in an arranged marriage, told CNN he killed his first wife so he could marry Parveen.

Authorities said the first wife was killed six years ago.

“I wanted to send a proposal to Farzana, so I killed my wife,” Mohammad Iqbal said Thursday in an interview with CNN.

Zulfiqar Hameed, district inspector general for the Punjab police, said Iqbal’s son from the first marriage alerted police to the slaying six years ago.

I killed my first wife, stoned Pakistani woman’s husband says
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May 30, 2014 10:08am
Scott

For those who not familiar with Islam’s general response to the presence of Christian churches in their proximity we have the following news –
“At least 30 Christians were shot dead by Muslim rebels in an attack on a church in the war-torn Central African Republic, a pastor said.”We were in the church when were heard the shooting outside,” the Rev. Freddy Mboula of Notre Dame de Fatima in Bangui told The Associated Press. “There were screams and after 30 minutes of gunfire there were bodies everywhere.”
http://www.mychristiandaily.com/index.php/uk/186-generic-news-5-7/10720-30-christians-killed-inside-church-by-muslims

It appears to be a fact that Moslems cannot even abide Christians worshipping in the church. Christians don’t have to say anything in public, it’s just their presence and their worship that Moslems find intolerable.
That’s one more reason why “the religion of peace” cannot be allowed to gain a foothold in this country. It’s not that we Christians can’t tolerate them. Once in power they cannot tolerate us.
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May 30, 2014 10:13am
Odakyu-sen

” It’s not that we Christians can’t tolerate them. Once in power they cannot tolerate us.”

You mean something like Niemöller’s quote: “First they came for the Christians…”
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May 30, 2014 10:37am
Harriet

“…..You mean something like Niemöller’s quote: “First they came for the Christians…”….”

Or far better this one:

“……I lived in Germany during the Nazi Holocaust. I considered myself a Christian. We heard stories of what was happening to the Jews, but we tried to distance ourselves from it, because, what could anyone do to stop it? A railroad track ran behind our small church and each Sunday morning we could hear the whistle in the distance and then the wheels coming over the tracks.
We became disturbed when we heard the cries coming from the train as it passed by. We realized that it was carrying Jews like cattle in the cars! Week after week the whistle would blow. We dreaded to hear the sound of those wheels because we knew that we could hear the cries of the Jews en route to a death camp. Their screams tormented us.
We knew the time the train was coming and when we heard the whistle blow we began singing hymns. By the time the train came past our church we were singing at the top of our voices. If we heard the screams, we sang more loudly and soon we heard them no more. Years have passed and no one talks about it anymore. But I still hear that train whistle in my sleep. God forgive me; forgive all of us who called ourselves Christians yet did nothing to intervene…….
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May 30, 2014 10:51am
wikiriwhis business

Vice President Biden urges Air Force Cadets to help shape the New World Order http://www.paulbegleyprophecy.com also http://rt.com/usa/162344-biden-new-wo…
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May 30, 2014 10:54am
wikiriwhis business

” “Europe has succeeded in subordinating the parliaments of its nation states, including the UK, to become the equivalent of local councils within a wider United States of Europe” ~ Wishart.”

Stephieboy really needs waking up
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May 30, 2014 10:57am
wiseowl

Agree with you Red over China, however seems you are on the outer if you challenge the move to put so many eggs in that basket.
Had a friend ,very much private enterprise person, who went over there and came back so excited and full of enthusiasm .

It just doesn’t make sense placing so much emphasis on trading with a communist country and how come so many of them are millionaires ?
I thought they were all supposed to be equal?
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May 30, 2014 11:51am
Redbaiter

People are free to trade with China as individuals but I am talking about govts like the NZ govt gambling all of our future development on agreements with Communist country officials. They’re untrustworthy, corrupt and cronyist and also bent on buying political influence to expand global power. Its a mistake for NZ to rely on China as a major trading partner.

Secondly,China is currently focused on replacing the US as a major world power. Its increasing its political influence all over the globe with this objective. Should any democratic western country be actively engaged in assisting Communist China in this intent?

Bill English’s economic forecasts depend too heavily on trade with Communist China. We are basically their plaything, and what political and strategic concessions could they force from our govt under threat of cutting off trade?

Bottom line is they’re dangerous and untrustworthy people and we take a huge risk in making them our most favoured trade partner. The largely Asian issues talked about in the referenced article are only the tip of the iceberg. There’s much more going on behind the scenes in the South Pacific, the South Americas and Africa.
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May 30, 2014 12:11pm
wikiriwhis business

» All Blacks Hitler attack by Samoan rugby star

In an apparent bid to get the New Zealand rugby team to tour the Polynesian Islands, former Samoa centre Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu has claimed that the All Blacks would have toured Nazi Germany “if Hitler had an interest in rugby”.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/10102605/All-Blacks-Hitler-attack-by-Samoan-rugby-star
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May 30, 2014 12:15pm
Harriet

Lucia#

Thanks very much for that information. I will most certainly look at the Christian book website as I too am going back over algebra. The programme I have had for a couple of years, but I want to further the use and my knowledge of it as it is very powerful and robust for analyzing data.

‘Programming is really a combination of logic and language. Maths, being the ultimate in logic and language, goes far beyond what is necessary for programming.’ That’s a good way of explaining the differance – so I now mainly only have to learn maths that is necessary to the programming[AFL] – if I find I have to. That’s good as I can mostly now learn it from a programming point of view – than looking at it from the more difficult mathmatical point of view. Thanks again Lucia.
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May 30, 2014 12:15pm
mikenmild

Unfortunately for Reddy, China is not going anywhere. It is well on track to becoming the world’s largest economy. New Zealand cannot afford to choose its trading partners over vague political ideals.
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May 30, 2014 12:22pm
Odakyu-sen

“God forgive me; forgive all of us who called ourselves Christians yet did nothing to intervene…….”

The admission “but we tried to distance ourselves from it, because, what could anyone do to stop it?” right there tells you that these Christians right from the onset felt powerless to influence the state. So, in typical bleeding-heart fashion, they flagellate themselves with guilt for not doing anything (that would have immediately gotten themselves and their families sent to the same camps).

Like a cancer, once the totalitarian apparatus is in place, you, non-state-party left-wingers or anyone (and their families) is a target for the state police to liquidate.

To quote that oldie but goody: “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.” You have to kill the first few cells of a cancer; not wait until it metastasizes.
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May 30, 2014 1:28pm
kowtow

China may be on track to become the world’s largest economy.But it won’t make it.

One problem for China is state control of the economy and we know where that eventually and inevitably leads.

There are far too many problems for China to overcome to become a genuine world leading economy.Everything there comes down to Deng opening up to foreign investment back in the seventies.That was the key to the current boom.The underlying basis for a successful economy isn’t there. Democracy, private property rights,rule of law…….Now the major “investor” is not foreign capital but the party itself building infrastructure in China and abroad that isn’t strategic but more ‘make work” for the hordes who expect their current false standard of living to be maintained forever by the state.

Why is all the “smart money” in China going overseas? Even the Chinese elites don’t believe in China’s future as stable and assured.

There will be a “revolution of rising expectations” and when that happens it will turn very ugly for the Chinese people themselves and it will hurt economies such as ours who are over reliant on that market.

Make money now by all means, but diversify or die.
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May 30, 2014 1:40pm
kowtow

Any country where this type of thing happens on a regular basis will never be a world power.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2642922/Two-teenage-sisters-14-15-hanging-mango-tree-gang-raped-Indian-village.html
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May 30, 2014 1:52pm
Paulus

Of course Laila Harre can afford to be a Socialist, and enjoy the finer things of life, like David Cunliffe – the only difference being that Laila inherited a substantial fortune from her grandfather – the inventor of the Jandal I understand.
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May 30, 2014 1:52pm
kowtow

Is it moral for our government to deal with the government of the PRC on an equal basis when this is how they treat political prisoners?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10856528/Tiananmen-Square-massacre-anniversary-the-last-prisoner-of-the-protests.html

We won’t let American warships visit, but Chinese communist warships are welcome?
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May 30, 2014 2:00pm
mikenmild

I think any Chinese warships visiting here would have to do so on the same basis as American ones.
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May 30, 2014 2:03pm
kowtow

That’s not the point. They are warships of an aggressive oppressive state.They have no business here. They are the enemy.
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May 30, 2014 2:04pm
mikenmild

We are not at war with China.
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May 30, 2014 2:05pm
Manolo

Prostitutes of the world, unite!
http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8852797/pam-corkery-joins-internet-party
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May 30, 2014 2:25pm
kowtow

“We are not at war with China.”

Oh yes those kindly Chinese . Claims to Vietnamese, Philippine ,Taiwanese and Japanese territory. A massive militarisation of the region. Japan considering a change to its pacifist constitution as a result,support for the evil DPRK.What’s not to like?
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May 30, 2014 3:13pm
mikenmild

If we were to cease trading with every regime that did not meet our own high standards of democracy and openness, we would soon become quite impoverished.
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May 30, 2014 3:17pm
thedavincimode

that did not meet our own high standards of democracy and openness

😕
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May 30, 2014 3:19pm
mikenmild

We’re No. 1!
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May 30, 2014 3:21pm
thedavincimode

milky

The tea trolley is long gone. Kindly get back to work and continue saving the country from itself.
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May 30, 2014 3:27pm
mikenmild

Is it not time to knock off early for the long weekend?
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May 30, 2014 3:31pm
ciaron

Just to mellow it out a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojf18wT_Xtk
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May 30, 2014 3:40pm
SPC

So John Key’s assurance that we would not be spied was a lie. The GCSB is allowed to spy on metadata.

http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/statute-or-its-bullshit.html
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May 30, 2014 4:31pm
lilman

Pam Corkery- I was just sick in my mouth .
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May 30, 2014 4:44pm
igm

This Slobcom/Hadfield alliance is producing as many failed socialist rodents as the GWRC.
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May 30, 2014 4:52pm
Fletch

Pam Corkery- I was just sick in my mouth .

Yah, it’s even more like the Brotherhood Of Evil Mutants super villain team-up.
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May 30, 2014 5:20pm
wiseowl

Stuff reports a kiwi was off to Syria.
Named as Mohamed Amin.

A kiwi FFS.?

No way.
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May 30, 2014 5:26pm
SPC

kowtow, any contention with China cannot be over their internal politics, there are just too many nations that have regimes of that ilk. However their regional bullying is not something that a nation with aspirations for the UNSC can ignore. If our words in support of solidarity with the little nations as a voice for them on that body are to have any meaning, as per international law, then we have to be on the side of other nations being subjugated in China’s quest for humiliating their neighbours to an order of Chinese regional hegemony.

Claiming uninhabited rocks in the sea are part of China and then claiming sea right up to the coasts of other nations is like nothing in the region since Japan in the 1930’s/1940’s.

Being silent in this matter is to sign up to being China’s imperial farm.

The 19th C reprised in the 21st Century.
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May 30, 2014 5:28pm
Brian Smaller

On TV last night Laila Harre said she didn’t mind the finer things in life.

Such as, apparently, membership of a Napoleonic wars renactment society?

James – it is a cheap hobby. If Laila Harre were involved she would be a shoe in as a camp follower.
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May 30, 2014 5:33pm
SPC

As per China’s economic future, they will surely become the largest economy.

While they have risk in the level of state direction (economy serving geopolitical goals), and a financial risk from politicised credit supply (both at central level and in loose management of lower level local body activity), there is sufficient self awareness and resulting common sense to balance that.

The once heralded Japanese rise was limited by a smaller population than the USA (and low population replacement and little immigration unlike the USA) and thus always overblown. China has some way to grow internally from wealth already generated externally, and a greater internal resource base than Japan. And its population is still growing, albeit moderated. Once they have raised living standards and more fully urbanised they will move to a 2 child policy (given most of the urban world is now choosing two child families).
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May 30, 2014 5:45pm
questions

In addition to noting Jackinabox’s domestic terrorism sympathies, and David Garrett’s self presumed right to expect to be treated with respect when he turns up to a juvenile detention center to wind up inmates, there is a wider thing that needs to be looked at.

Redbaiters buddies over at Stormfront. I think the lot of you should take a good hard look at yourselves.

From this article: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/murder-capital-of-the-internet-at-stormfront-website-of-former-klan-boss/story-fnb64oi6-1226935550650#

The build-up to a killing often follows a pattern, according to Heidi Beirich, of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which has tracked the site. The typical Stormfront murderer is a “frustrated, unemployed, white adult male living with his mother or an estranged spouse or girlfriend. She is the sole provider in the household”.

Forensic psychologists call him a “wound collector”. Instead of searching for a job, “he projects his grievances on society and searches the internet for an explanation unrelated to his behaviour or the choices he has made in life”.

He begins by reading right-wing anti-government websites. He progresses to hate sites where he will read diatribes claiming that his race is under attack — a target of “white genocide”. He is likely to spend hundreds of hours online.

“He gradually gains acceptance in this online den of self-described ‘lone wolves’, but he gets no relief, no practical remedies, no suggestions to improve his circumstances. He just gets angrier,” Ms Beirich said. “And then he gets a gun.”
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May 30, 2014 5:50pm
Manolo

A defeat for Jim Neanderton and his mob. The soon the bugger disappears from Earth, the better for NZ.
http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8852917/cathedral-can-be-taken-down-judge
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May 30, 2014 5:53pm
nasska

….”The typical Stormfront murderer is a “frustrated, unemployed, white adult male living with his mother or an estranged spouse or girlfriend. She is the sole provider in the household”.”…..

Right…..that’s it Baity. Off to McDonalds & apply for a job on Tuesday! 🙂
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May 30, 2014 5:56pm
SPC

So far the greatest risk to us from our Chinese farm role dependency is meeting Chinese import standards. Those companies unable to export to China will be bought up by those who can.

But local nitrate levels in our water are placing a limit on the level of dairy supply – the ambition is to increase it but environmentally the current level may be hard to sustain.

http://thestandard.org.nz/poisoned-pasture/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/10085395/Nitrate-leaching-rules-to-devastate-farming
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May 30, 2014 5:57pm
kowtow

“Stuff reports a ‘kiwi’ off to Syria”

I have but one response to that.

I hope the legitimate forces of Syria, Assads’ military serve the fucker his arse on plate,with a side order of pavlova of course, seeing he’s a “kiwi”.
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May 30, 2014 6:05pm
stigie

“Right…..that’s it Baity. Off to McDonalds & apply for a job on Tuesday! :)”

Cant do that Nasska, the keyboard warrior want have time to come on here to make your life a misery ?
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May 30, 2014 6:06pm
nasska

….”a misery ?”….stigie!

Engaging with the keyboard ninja is like being gummed by a nana. 🙂
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May 30, 2014 6:09pm
stigie

Always wondered whether you got off by the warrior Nasska, now that he has a muscle car !~
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May 30, 2014 6:14pm
Rowan

Manolo
I think they should have awarded costs against the d…head as well, what’s the bet that these do gooders and zealots try appealing this further! Time to bring in the diggers!
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May 30, 2014 6:20pm
RRM

People who care about preservation of CHCH Cathedral have had over 3 years to fundraise, if they’d done that then today they might have been in a position to offer to buy the wreck from the Anglican diocese, and they would then have been free to pursue repair options.

But no… instead they preferred not to bother with any of that, but just whinged from the sidelines, telling the Anglicans how they should be spending their own funds on their own property. And then complaining some more when they were ignored.

I am sorry to see it go, but I have no time for those who have wasted the last 3 years whinging and opining that someone else should be fixing “their” cathedral for them. I’m sorry but there was an opportunity to do something and you’ve blown it.
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May 30, 2014 6:54pm
kowtow

Muslim rights trump ‘equality” in multicultural Canada and is backed up by a human rights commission,Nova Scotia.

No surprises there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myQj8IsnXL8
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May 30, 2014 7:16pm
Redbaiter

How unsurprising to see Kiwiblog’s resident cowards trying to smear those who don’t agree with them. Typically left wing. And funny how Narsekissa who commonly describes himself as RW is so frequently observed adopting that kind of left wing behaviour pattern, and is so frequently joining forces with the left wing on here to attack real right wingers.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is well known as a communist front with zero credibility, so whatever delusional stories its writes, it doesn’t matter much. No one with a brain pays it any heed.

Pamela Geller has got those communist scum sorted.

http://pamelageller.com/2012/06/pamela-geller-vs-communist-splc.html/

The facts are another matter, and contrary to the SPLC’s / Questions’s crank commie claims, the thread that connects most mass murderers is their connection with the Democrat Party.

– Nidal Hasan – Ft Hood Shooter: Registered Democrat and Muslim.
– Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter – black liberal/Obama voter
– Seung-Hui Cho – Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
– James Holmes – the “Dark Knight”/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occupy guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
– Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
– Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas – Leftist Democrat
– James J. Lee who was the “green activist”/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel – progressive liberal Democrat.
– Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter – Leftist, Marxist.
– Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists.
– Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters – families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.
– Bill Ayers, Weather Underground bomber – Leftist Democrat.
– Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat – killed Kennedy…
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May 30, 2014 7:17pm
nasska

Anders Behring Breivik, carried out the 2011 Norway attacks.

Right-wing extremist Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people.

In April 1999, David Copeland, a neo-Nazi, planted a series of nail bombs over 13 days.

How many more do you want? Fired up homicidal nuts kill people regardless of political leanings.
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May 30, 2014 7:26pm
Redbaiter

Cowards smear.

The evidence for that is right here.
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May 30, 2014 7:28pm
UglyTruth

“I believe we and mainly you have an incredible opportunity to lead in shaping a new world order for the 21st century in a way consistent with American interests and common interests” ~ Joe Biden

http://gazette.com/biden-challenges-graduating-air-force-academy-cadets-to-create-a-new-world-order/article/1520651
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May 30, 2014 7:30pm
nasska

….”Cowards smear.

The evidence for that is right here.”…..

Hold on…..I’m searching for a fuck to give.
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May 30, 2014 7:31pm
Redbaiter

BTW, being Neo Nazi is not “right wing”. Anyone believing in big powerful govt as any kind of solution is a left winger. McVeigh was a Libertarian and agnostic.

As usual, the Ekatahuna Imbecile, who shows more signs of an unhealthy obsession than many writers on here, is using left wing misinformation to attack the right.
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May 30, 2014 7:36pm
SPC

The courageous eat ninja gum before smearing others as cowards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1wyD_qKt3M
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May 30, 2014 7:37pm
UglyTruth

Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat – killed Kennedy…

ROFL

Commission Exhibit 399, the bullet found on the stretcher, is virtually undamaged and had no blood or tissue on it. Its appearance is consistent with having been fired through the rifle into water or cotton, recovered, and then planted. Also, there is a serious question as to whether the minimal amount of lead missing from the base of CE-399 can account for the fragments left behind in JFK and Connally.

https://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Single_Bullet_Theory
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May 30, 2014 7:38pm
nasska

….”As usual, the Ekatahuna Imbecile, who shows more signs of an unhealthy obsession than many writers on here, is using left wing misinformation to attack the right.”…..

I won’t gild the lily…..see my 6.09pm. 🙂
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May 30, 2014 7:43pm
Redbaiter

Doesn’t like “engaging” but along with his pathetic little commie arse licking crawler mate Stigie had this evening written 3 or 4 posts mentioning or directed at Redbaiter before I even showed up here.
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May 30, 2014 7:48pm
nasska

I knew you’d be lurking Baity. 🙂
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May 30, 2014 7:50pm
dad4justice

What high school do you attend nutska?
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May 30, 2014 7:52pm
nasska

D4J

Pass.
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May 30, 2014 8:00pm
Colville

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10103862/Pam-Corkery-joins-Internet-Party

is the picture of Pam 20 years out of date or what?
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May 30, 2014 8:02pm
SPC

Just maybe the internet address of some posters is known by other posters – so they know when you are lurking.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/privacy_policy
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May 30, 2014 8:03pm
RF

From where I stand there are some positives concerning our fat German. Cunners and Labour are being pushed into the background and deprived of oxygen. Didums……
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May 30, 2014 8:10pm
kowtow

Donald Sterling! What a winner!

$2 billion for the LA clippers.

Well done.
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May 30, 2014 8:29pm
Fletch

Pregnant woman stoned to death in Pakistan on Tuesday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/pakistani-woman-stoned_n_5396665.html
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May 30, 2014 8:50pm
big bruv

“Stigie had this evening written 3 or 4 posts mentioning or directed at Redbaiter before I even showed up here.”

Ahh, speaking in the third person again.

“Not unlike the royal we, referring to oneself in the third person is a sign of extreme narcissism”

http://makyamcbee.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/vs-referring-to-yourself-in-the-third-person/
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May 30, 2014 9:03pm
SPC

Fletch, that was not a sharia law thing, it was simply the parents wanting to force their daughter to accept the arranged marriage they intended for her.

Arranged marriage is a widespread issue. It is a legacy of poverty – feeding the daughter is seen as a cost to develop “the asset” for sale – dowry paid to them by the husband. Like a fatted calf sent off to sale. Thus a fear that the asset would be ruined if not married off young before loss of virginity and pregnancy to a man of her choice.

The solution is

1. food security to the family
2. education to the daughter so she can earn money to support the family before marriage
3. contraception being available so having her remain unmarried is not a “shameful” pregnancy risk.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27619295
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May 30, 2014 9:06pm
Johnboy

Thank goodness I never popped up tonight so Minus could have a lie in! 🙂
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May 30, 2014 9:13pm
Johnboy

Like cancer and rust you never sleep Minus and are just as welcome! 🙂
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May 30, 2014 9:18pm
SPC

Illegal migration into Europe 60,000 so far this year.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27628416
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May 30, 2014 9:29pm
RF

Johnboy… Just LMK and for the right price I will take minus out of your life. I feel your your hurt when he gives you a minus. When I was an impressionable kid I used to love seeing gangsters in films setting people into concrete shoes and giving swimming lessons.

I am near the Hutt River so can work something out.

If minus was a greenie there would be no charge.
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May 30, 2014 9:34pm
SPC

Microsoft’s former CEO Steve Ballmer has reached a deal to buy the Los Angeles Clippers basketball team for $2bn (£1.2bn), reports say.

But the deal is only with Mrs Sterling and the co-trustee says he will not sell.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27630630
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