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Johnboy

Without hope our lives are but meaningless milkey! 🙂
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May 25, 2014 5:13pm
Viking2

RMA changes

Last week the government confirmed it has abandoned its third round of Resource Management Act (RMA) amendments because Peter Dunne and the Maori Party have refused to support it. The proposed changes would have required decision-makers to balance environmental, social, economic and cultural values when considering resource management issues.

The Maori Party claim the changes would undermine the traditional role of Maori. In a newspaper article in the Wanganui Chronicle, co-leader Tariana Turia wrote, “The connection to the resources and the environment was more than one of merely obtaining food for physical sustenance – it also reflected the spiritual connection with deities like Tane, Tangaroa and Rongo – the guardians of the forests, the waterways and cultivated foods for example.”

Mr Dunne says the proposal to combine the existing principles section 6 (Matters of national importance) with section 7 (Other matters) into one non-hierarchical list in a new principles section 6 would weaken environmental protections and strengthen economic considerations. In other words, he wants to maintain the hierarchy where environmental protection has greater regard than the economic and social wellbeing of our communities.

Unfortunately this is yet another example that shows MMP is a dog with fleas. Two parties that collectively represent some 2% of voters have stymied plans that would benefit the majority of the population and bring a sense of pragmatism to the RMA that is long overdue.

The National Party has undertaken to resume the reforms should it have the numbers after the 20 September election. Indeed, reform of the RMA should be an election issue – it needs major reform to force councils to act sensibly as clearly many have shown an inability to do so.

We hope reform will eventually put an end to the obscene racketeering by those within the RMA industry – and it is indeed a huge regulatory industry. Everyone from judges, commissioners, lawyers, consultants, environmental activists, and iwi are making fortunes by grafting off the enterprise of others – taking years to make decisions that should be made within days or weeks. We think history will eventually show the RMA to be ill-conceived legislation – but not before a generation of professionals has used its weaknesses to plunder and pillage!

http://us3.campaign-archive1.com/?u=2fa05586dc63d75b8be850094&id=e1386b322d&e=b59791b0f1

So the useless Dunne has shat upon the people. Once again. Time to send the prick to coventry.
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May 25, 2014 5:16pm
Hair Removal Specialist

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11261261

Tragic, but blaming housing nz for this … ?
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May 25, 2014 5:21pm
wat dabney

The FT has an extensive blog posting about the debunking of the Piketty book.

Two words spring to mind: ‘climate science.’

Yes, it really is that bad.

It’s behind a paywall but can be reached via a Google search:

Google: “Data problems with Capital in the 21st Century”

This link should work:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22+Data+problems+with+Capital+in+the+21st+Century%22

Paul Krugman was among the first to credulously embrace this book and, before most people had even had a chance to read it, was crowing that the right seemed unable to refute it.

He looks a right dick now doesn’t he. Mind you, does he actually have any credibility left to lose?
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May 25, 2014 5:22pm
Reid

This is the strategy behind the US’ involvement in Ukraine:
http://blogdogcicle.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/brzezinski-geostrategy-v-russia.html

This is the response:
From Putin: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/05/23/363879/us-unipolar-vision-of-world-failed/
And some analysis of what Putin was saying: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/05/24/363947/us-attempts-to-dominate-world/

And this is but one of the very likely consequences if the fools in the WH continue with the barking mad neo-con insanity which has so far brought us the smoking ruins of Iraq, Libya and Syria and which threatens to be applied to Ukraine, excepting Russia’s not going to allow it, and why should they.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/strategist-warns-of-new-russian-threat-it-would-be-the-greatest-blackout-in-american-history_05182014

And I have to say that if anyone thinks its just the neocons who are barking mad, they need to look at some of the Kiwibloggers who keep insisting Ukraine’s about fweedom and democwacy and poor widdle America is just twying to help but the big bad Wussian meanies won’t let them.
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May 25, 2014 5:24pm
Johnboy

Lwissping badly will undoubtedly cause world war three! 🙂
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May 25, 2014 5:28pm
mikenmild

wat
Did you find Piketty’s response interesting?
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May 25, 2014 5:36pm
Johnboy

Here’s the lisping WW3 link….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mUCLHzWiJo
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May 25, 2014 5:37pm
wat dabney

Reid,

Your basic problem is that you see omnipotent forces behind everything, pulling strings according some to fiendish master plan known only to the Illuminati, the Jews, and the shape-shifting aliens (there’s a lot of overlap amongst those groups, clearly) when in fact the world is run on an ad-hoc basis by self-interested short-termist politicians stumbling from one crisis to another.

Let’s be clear: you are not the hero in some movie who has come into possession of a deadly secret. You are a weedy little twit with a deep-seated need to feel superior to others.
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May 25, 2014 5:38pm
Chuck Bird

@Longknives

“Dodgy Cop or not you are innocent until proven guilty…Imagine if everyone who was the subject of an ‘allegation’ lost their job straight away? ”

That can and often does happen in private industry. It should also happen to cops and teachers and other public servants. I believe those cops who got done for rape and did about 8 years were on full pay for a long time. I do not think this right. However, any employer has to be very sure of their ground.
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May 25, 2014 5:38pm
wat dabney

“Did you find Piketty’s response interesting?”

Lots of gallic hand-waving and shoulder-shrugging.
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May 25, 2014 5:40pm
kowtow

mildmuslim

Belgium and France ?
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May 25, 2014 5:42pm
mikenmild

Oh those convictions – declared unsafe by the Refugee Status Appeals Authority, weren’t they?
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May 25, 2014 5:44pm
Johnboy

“Belgium and France ?”

They’ve both thrashed HOBM! 🙂
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May 25, 2014 5:45pm
mikenmild

wat
Didn’t he claim that subsequent studies only reinforce his thesis? Seems it’ll take a bit more than an FT blog post to debunk.
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May 25, 2014 5:46pm
nasska

So we’ve got the Refugee Status Appeals Authority to thank for having Zaoui & his useless bludging family sponging off the net taxpayers.

Where would we be without the UN?
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May 25, 2014 5:48pm
mikenmild

Is Zaoui bludging? I thought he was employed, wasn’t he?
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May 25, 2014 5:49pm
Johnboy

“Where would we be without the UN?”

We’d still have Helen looking for a more important job than PM nasska!

Be very, very careful what you wish for! 🙂
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May 25, 2014 5:51pm
mikenmild

nasska
Wanna race to ten thousand comments?
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May 25, 2014 5:52pm
nasska

Last I heard he was unemployed after his kebab outlet in Palmerston North went tits up.
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May 25, 2014 5:53pm
mikenmild

Wikipedia reports he works at a food court in Auckland.
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May 25, 2014 5:54pm
nasska

I’ve already conceded defeat Mike….you’ll win. 🙂
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May 25, 2014 5:54pm
Johnboy

That’s a sporting declaration for you nasska considering HOBM’s current record! 🙂
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May 25, 2014 5:55pm
nasska

…..”Wikipedia reports he works at a food court in Auckland.”…..

Okay….what about the rest of the parasites on he brought in with him?
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May 25, 2014 5:56pm
Johnboy

Message from Reid: He find’s Hamilton to be quite a tolerable place to be!

Message from Johnboy: Reid is insane! 🙂
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May 25, 2014 5:59pm
mikenmild

He has a wife and four children. I don’t know the age or status of the children. Perhaps they are working or studying. Who knows? Who cares?
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May 25, 2014 6:01pm
Johnboy

HOBM chaps seem to be awfully well versed in the intimate relationships of Islamic overstayers!

Perhaps they should be concentrating on winning Swindale Shield matches instead? 🙂
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May 25, 2014 6:04pm
mikenmild

Only one more win needed next week to secure a Jubilee Cup spot. Then we’ll see some fun.
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May 25, 2014 6:05pm
Johnboy

Would have been nice to have done well enough in the earlier rounds to have cemented your place milkey! 🙂

Glad to see you still have faith in a victory.

Must be something you inherited off the Catholics! 🙂
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May 25, 2014 6:13pm
RF

My sources were correct. Labour and its useless leader are toast….

I guess they will call it two rogue polls.
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May 25, 2014 6:13pm
SPC

The BBC has determined on a new PC.

“Girl you will be a women soon” is now something that they will no longer broadcast.
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May 25, 2014 6:20pm
SPC

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11261543
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May 25, 2014 6:21pm
Longknives

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/ahmed-zaoui/news/article.cfm?c_id=549&objectid=3566355

Sorry Mikey but your hero Zaoui is a fucking parasite.
I read somewhere he has brought dozens of family members with him-there can be little doubt they will be hoovering up taxpayer cash also…
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May 25, 2014 6:29pm
SPC

It will be like the n word that only those who are “black” can use, only women and girls will be able to use it in their broadcasts.

Wonder how it will work in their programmes, will the scriptwriters be instructed to have the male characters using the term young female a lot?
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May 25, 2014 6:30pm
nasska

The Godwhacks strike again. From SPC’s 6.21pm link:

….”Republican Rep. Dennis Powers, the bill’s House sponsor, shrugged off legal and ethical concerns about the measure.

“It’s not our job to judge. That’s God’s job to judge,” Powers said. “Our job is to arrange the meeting.” “……
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May 25, 2014 6:32pm
nasska

Longknives

Agreed….I remember reading an article which alleged that he had brought in no less than eighteen bludgers on his coat tails but I can’t find a reference to it.
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May 25, 2014 6:36pm
Johnboy

Helen circumvented God’s job to judge particularly in the Zaoui case nasska! 🙂
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May 25, 2014 6:38pm
Judith

@ RF (1,179 comments) says:
May 25th, 2014 at 6:13 pm

Not a rogue poll, but a poll reflecting the budget affect, however, there are still a few months to go, and National would be making a huge mistake to get complacent. It would only take a nasty scandal regarding one of their top ministers to put them back into the area that makes it all uncertain. They’ve been to this level before and dropped it – the electorate is being somewhat finicky, which doesn’t make anything particularly certain at this stage. If I was a National party member, I would be urging caution rather than thinking the game was won.
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May 25, 2014 6:41pm
Johnboy

After ascending to the Secretary Generals job the next posting could be to God herself as she has to bypass the Popes job! 🙂
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May 25, 2014 6:41pm
Johnboy

But as you are not a National Party member Judith you are talking shite as usual! 🙂
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May 25, 2014 6:43pm
Manolo

Of course, Zauoi is a parasite. Initially a terrorist, now a bludger living off our taxes and bringing to our shores more followers of the vile religion of peace.
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May 25, 2014 6:44pm
nasska

….”After ascending to the Secretary Generals job the next posting could be to God herself as she has to bypass the Popes job”…..

His Holiness will be relieved JB. 🙂
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May 25, 2014 6:45pm
Longknives

“Initially a terrorist, now a bludger living off our taxes and bringing to our shores more followers of the religion of peace.”

All the while plotting and planning while ‘infidels’ like us pay them handsomely through our taxes…
It happened in the UK- Why would here be any different?
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May 25, 2014 6:47pm
Sofia

Republican Rep. Dennis Powers, the bill’s House sponsor, shrugged off legal and ethical concerns about the measure.
“It’s not our job to judge. That’s God’s job to judge,” Powers said. “Our job is to arrange the meeting.”
____________

“I’ll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am in truth the superior one, the true alpha male.
– Elliot Rodger, 22-year-old virgin wanting to punish the world for him being single.
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May 25, 2014 6:47pm
Judith

RF (1,179 comments) says:
May 25th, 2014 at 6:13 pm
My sources were correct. Labour and its useless leader are toast….

There were many that said when National got only 21% that National was toast and would never survive as a party, but today they are scones with jam, and Bill is still very much in the second top role.

There is one thing your can be certain of in politics, nothing is certain.
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May 25, 2014 6:47pm
SPC

Maybe I was wrong, one feminist said that the term girl implied younger and weaker and thus was sexist discrimination (sexist when used by a man). But implied that the term could also be seen as age discrimination when used by an older female.

It is suggestive of baby boomer age feminists having daddy issues, and a lingering sense of grievance that they were not seen as equals to their parents when they were becoming young adults.
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May 25, 2014 6:49pm
Johnboy

Imagine that evil, green toothed eminence squinting out from under a mitre on the balcony at Saint Peters Square nasska….
No wonder the all-wise and all-seeing Lord said only chaps could be Pope! 🙂
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May 25, 2014 6:50pm
Johnboy

“There is one thing your can be certain of in politics”….

You can be certain that Cunliffe bears a striking resemblence to a Turtle! 🙂
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May 25, 2014 6:54pm
stigie

Couldnt you pray to his holiness Johnboy to try and get rid of that minus parasite ?
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May 25, 2014 6:59pm
SPC

If it is National 50%, Labour 30% and Greens 10% NZ First 5%, then

1. all the other parties are charity cases.
2. NZ First has lost the balance of power position.
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May 25, 2014 7:05pm
Johnboy

“Dear Pope Francis could you please rid me of the obnoxious parasite Minus?”

“If that’s not possible could you at least tell me where he/she lives?”

“Ave Maria …etc…..etc…..! ” 🙂

Will that do stigie? 🙂
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May 25, 2014 7:06pm
nasska

How did Colin do SPC? 🙂
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May 25, 2014 7:06pm
SPC

nasska, I do not have a magnifying glass to see down that far something that small – that is just too conservative.
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May 25, 2014 7:08pm
stigie

He has heard you JB and blessed you along with your flock !~
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May 25, 2014 7:30pm
Fisiani

Far rather be at 50% than at 30%. Although with MMP it could be very, very close. If you want John Key as PM then PARTY VOTE NATIONAL.
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May 25, 2014 7:54pm
nasska

75% of 14 year old girls in Masterton admit to regularly going out binge drinking.

Who the hell is looking after their kids?
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May 25, 2014 8:02pm
kowtow

Snowing here in Dunners,shit, I wish that global warming would hurry up!
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May 25, 2014 8:45pm
cha

Nice…

http://youtu.be/zBvaVWdJRQM
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May 25, 2014 8:47pm
Johnboy

Not Jimmy Saville or even Rolf Harris nasska! 🙂
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May 25, 2014 8:53pm
cha

Screen caps of posts made to a PUA site.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bobb6XDIMAAbCaF.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BobcKt5IIAEqawp.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BobcijeIQAEoNp7.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bobc3arCUAAxdp5.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BobdZqiCUAEbqVY.jpg:large
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May 25, 2014 9:05pm
goldnkiwi

Got to love democracy. John Key/Dotcom/Penny Bright etc

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11261552
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May 25, 2014 10:12pm
OneTrack

goldnkiwi – Abu Suhaib al-Australi would be be pleased with them.
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