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ciaron

NADA PODE ME SEPARAR DO AMOR DE DEUS
requiescat in pace, Ayrton Senna da Silva.
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May 1, 2014 8:00am
Left Right and Centre

“Our business is to get an audience. Whatever else it is, our newspaper must be excessively interesting, not to the good, wise men and pure in spirit, but to the great mass of sordid, squalid humanity. Humanity is vulgar, so we must be vulgar. It is coarse, so we must not be refined. It is passionate; therefore the blood that flows through our newspapers must be warm.”

– W. Scripps . . . turn of the 20th century American entrepreneur and founder of a $50 millioin newspaper conglomerate

Hmmm – some things don’t change much ?
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May 1, 2014 8:03am
Judith

@ ciaron (1,166 comments) says:
May 1st, 2014 at 8:00 am

Twenty years – wow it doesn’t seem that long – a great sportsman!
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May 1, 2014 8:07am
Pete George

An interesting interview on cannabis (and synthetics and bans) on Campbell Live last night.

Founder of the Drug Policy Alliance, Ethan Nadelmann discusses how the group has played a key part in a debate that has so far seen two US states legalise marijuana, with more set to follow.

He discusses just what it was that ultimately convinced Washington and Colorado to legalise marijuana.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Should-NZ-legalise-and-tax-marijuana/tabid/817/articleID/342206/Default.aspx
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May 1, 2014 8:08am
Pete George

Stuff report that Dunne was forced to backflip on the legal high (interim) ban after pressure from National MPs.

It was widely assumed Dunne wanted to gazump Labour, which was set to announce its support for a ban.

But it is understood he was strong-armed into a compromise by increasing pressure from the National Party caucus, who wanted to dump the Psychoactive Substances Act and implement blanket prohibition.

Sources say Prime Minister John Key was put under pressure at weekly caucus meetings as MPs were relentlessly lobbied by local mayors and community action groups.

A source said Key feared “a revolt” after a push by Cabinet ministers Paula Bennett, Nikki Kaye and Todd McClay, who wanted the legal highs off the streets in their electorates.

Discipline within the National Party ranks is so tight that open dissent is rare. But it was a case of “to hell with the act” regardless of embarrassment about a flip-flop.

A public backlash, an outcry from local councils, and intense media scrutiny saw discord within the party grow, and threaten to boil over into the public arena.

Labour jumped on the same ‘bugger the consequences’ banwagon.

The effective shutting down of all legal high sales may make shop precincts look a bit better for mayors and MPs in the short term but if this turns into an openly ugly under-supported addicts’ angst there could be a backlash for MPs who jumped on the banwagon.

If a ban doesn’t work (as Dunne, the Drug Foundation, Ireland’s health minister and many others keep claiming) what then? Hope that the mess doesn’t become apparent until after the election?

MPs on ‘bugger the consequences’ banwagon
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May 1, 2014 8:09am
Odakyu-sen

Datacom’s quarterly report to the ministry noted that it classified truants in four categories: “A. The bullied, B. The dummies, C. The brats, D. CYF kids.” The wording has resulted in a rebuke from the ministry.
(Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11247154)

In your opinion, what would be suitable category names for A, B, C, and D above?

I am interested in the relationship between worldview and language choice. I invite you to state your worldview and your chosen titles for the four categories.

My preliminary findings suggest that the larger a government you prefer, the more syllables will be in each of your chosen category titles.
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May 1, 2014 8:11am
igm

Newstalkzb have once again this morning run a Labour Party political promotion programme hosted by the left-leaning Woods. For God’s sake where do they dig up these socialist losers . . . turned it off when that disgusting ex basketballer got prime time to push her foul wares.
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May 1, 2014 8:15am
Albert_Ross

Good morning David, I have a proposal for you further to Sue Kedgeley’s lecture about regulating sunbeds in yesterday’s Horrid. Why don’t you invite her to contribute a guest column in which she would set out which choices she /does/ think individuals should be allowed to make for themselves? It wouldn’t take up much space and would save so much time
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May 1, 2014 8:16am
Kea

Odakyu-sen, the naming is often an attempt at mind control and social engineering. Your last sentence is spot-on.
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May 1, 2014 8:17am
Judith

@ Pete George (21,864 comments) says:
May 1st, 2014 at 8:09 am

It is an interesting debate.

Personally I think synthetic highs should be banned, and that marijuana should be decriminalised. I do not think it should be legalised, and those that ‘deal’ in it, should still be prosecuted. However when grown (in small amounts) and possessed for personal consumption, it should not be a crime.

My reasons are:

1. Synthetic highs are harmful, some more so than the natural marijuana – especially those that have not undergone sufficient testing.

2. Marijuana is a gateway drug when sold by dealers who like to push other more expensive and profitable drugs on to young and unsuspecting clients – frequently P.

3. Remove the dealers, allow individuals to have a personal supply and you will ruin the market. There will no longer be the huge profits in it, when it is not illegal – hence less will deal in it. (Yes there is an argument that they will progress to harder drugs, however, without the contact with so many clients, this will do less damage).

4. Our police and courts are blocked up with needless marijuana related petty crimes. Decriminalising it would stop this waste of resources and allow more focus where it needs to be.
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May 1, 2014 8:21am
lilman

Bugger the drug users.
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May 1, 2014 8:22am
Odakyu-sen

Well, Kea, what would be your chosen category titles to A, B, C, D? (Someone has to get the ball rolling…)
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May 1, 2014 8:25am
Kea

Bugger the drug users.

lilman, that has already been made legal.
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May 1, 2014 8:25am
Kea

Odakyu-sen,

1. Behavioural.

2. Over indulged little shits with chronic entitilitis.

In both cases the real problem is the parents.
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May 1, 2014 8:28am
Elaycee

ciaron (8.00am):
NADA PODE ME SEPARAR DO AMOR DE DEUS
requiescat in pace, Ayrton Senna da Silva.

Good call, ciaron. Senna was without peer in my lifetime.

There was much speculation about the crash that took his life – at one stage the Italian authorities were suggesting the steering failed in his Williams car and they actually listed it as the ‘probable cause’ of the accident. But the Williams team maintained it broke on impact.

In recent years (when video analysis became more sophisticated) the suggestion was made the cause of the accident was much simpler than a component failure…. the Williams FW16 was run at a very low ride height – that’s why we saw lots of sparks coming from the under tray (and from the sacrificial blocks) when it went over a bump with full tanks. And it was normal at the time to start a race with (very) low tyre pressures and let them build up temperature (and pressure) in the early stages of the race. Senna led from the start but there was an accident on Lap 1 involving Pedro Lamy and JJ Lehto and the safety car was deployed. Unfortunately, it remained out for 5 full laps and whatever heat was in Senna’s tyres, was greatly lost. And this also means the tyre pressure eased back.

The safety car pulled in and at the start of lap 7, Senna floored it in an effort to get a jump on the rest of the field. However, when he entered Tamburello, the car bottomed out (sparks were visible) and he speared off into an outside wall at 190 mph. Even though the Williams techs removed the telemetry pack from the car immediately after the accident, the cause of the crash remained speculative. But one suggestion is that the bottoming out had lifted the nose of the car and as a result, he momentarily lost steering. And in less than 2 seconds, he went from 190mph (310kph) to zero and was killed when a suspension arm pierced his Bell M3 helmet. Even the presence of F1’s medical guru Sid Watkins couldn’t save him. It was a sad day for motorsport… indeed, during practice the previous day, Roland Ratzenberger was also killed.

When Ayrton Senna was killed, the motorsport world lost it’s favourite son and IMO, we haven’t seen anyone like him since.
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May 1, 2014 8:33am
lilman

LOL,the last bastion of decency has fallen.
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May 1, 2014 8:33am
Judith

@ lilman (682 comments) says:
May 1st, 2014 at 8:22 am

Many may actually enjoy that experience. I’d rather put them all on an off-shore island – one that wouldn’t be negatively affected by rats.
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May 1, 2014 8:37am
Kea

Judith, we have such a penal colony off our western shore already.
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May 1, 2014 8:39am
lilman

Really?
Rachael Smalley,pathetic little blonde being touted as major political commentator is nothing short of the worst decision from management since David Cunliffe decided not to mention his trust.

What Trust?
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May 1, 2014 8:40am
Judith

@ Kea (10,787 comments) says:
May 1st, 2014 at 8:39 am

LOL – I was incarcerated in that colony for a few days recently – absolutely nothing to report – it was rather a ‘non-event’.
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May 1, 2014 8:40am
ciaron

Elaycee,
I’ve never subscribed to the “bottoming out” theory, as the crash occurred on the second lap after the safety car came in. With Schumacher right behind him, Senna set the 3rd fastest lap on lap 6, and crashed on the following lap. If the FW16 crashed due to bottoming out, it seems to me this would have been most likely to happen on lap 6 when tire pressures were at their lowest, not lap 7.

But I wouldn’t call myself an expert 🙂
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May 1, 2014 8:43am
Manolo

Surrendering to the savages: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616576/Subway-removes-ham-pork-nearly-200-stores-strong-demand-Muslims-eat-Halal-meat.html

Almost 200 branches of Subway have cut ham and bacon from their menus, serving halal meat in response to calls from their Muslim customers.

The sandwich chain said ‘following a strong demand from our Muslim customers’, 185 outlets in the UK and Ireland have introduced the meat, which is prepared under strict Islamic rules.
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May 1, 2014 8:45am
dog_eat_dog

It’s unlikely that low tyre pressures caused Senna’s car to skate off the road – it had been at full racing speed for a lap after the safety car went in and the tyres would have been well within a safe operating window when the car went off the road.

The steering column theory is still the most credible – the movement of the wheel in the cockpit suggests the steering wheel was moving quite a lot. Williams released a video of David Coulthard showing the flex in the wheel and that was assumed to be the end of that, but Coulthard has arms like a stevedore and Senna preferred a lightly balanced car. It is unlikely he would have needed to, or even been able to move the steering wheel in such a way for the button trajectory to mirror Coulthard’s demonstration. Coulthard’s demonstration was also done in a stationary car, and not at the 190 MPH that Senna’s car left the track.
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May 1, 2014 8:45am
J Bloggs

Kea: Out of those four labels, the only one I’d change would be “dummies” (It’s not particularly helpful as a descriptor, and is a derogatory term). Without seeing the report and a more cogent description of that problem group (is it the gullible/easily led students who respond to peer pressure, despite knowing better? Is it those with learning problems who struggle in class? is it those with low IQ’s?) , I can’t tell what label I’d use instead.

The other 3 seem to be pretty clear descriptions of the problem groups in question – and none of those labels are as out and out derogatory as “dummy”
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May 1, 2014 8:46am
Pete George

I agree Judith. And it’s similar to what’s said on the Campbell Live interview.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Should-NZ-legalise-and-tax-marijuana/tabid/817/articleID/342206/Default.aspx

Seems like basic common sense to me, but I’m not sure we’re going to see any of that, especially in election year.
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May 1, 2014 8:47am
WineOh

I’m not really convinced that this legal highs business is worth all the hoopla about it. I don’t know a single one of my wider friends/family that touch the stuff, the same can’t be said for alcohol, cigarettes, and weed. Not sure about the harder stuff but would be surprised if any had touched P.

Is it honestly that bad? A large part of hospital admissions from Friday night to Saturday morning is alcohol related, less so these other substances. Its the combination that will really fuck people up. Take a herbal high and wash it down with a quart of vodka… wow what a surprise you end up in the gutter puking your guts out.

It seems so surprising to me that we are moving in the opposite direction to the rest of the world where at minimum decriminalising week if not legalising is the trend. Doesn’t really matter either way to me, neither have any appeal to me.
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May 1, 2014 8:51am
Fairfacts Media

There are two new European election voting intention polls out today, both showing substantial leads for UKIP.

TNS-BMRB have European figures of CON 18%(-3), LAB 27%(-3), LDEM 10%(+1), UKIP 36%(+7), Others 9% (tabs here). Changes are from their last poll in early April.

ComRes/ITV have European figures of CON 18%(-4), LAB 27%(-3), LDEM 8%(nc), UKIP 38%(+8!), GREEN 4%. Full tabs are here and changes are once again from a previous poll in early April.

Note that both polls are based on only those certain to vote. This tends to boost up the support of UKIP, who have the most enthusiastic supporters in the European elections – if ComRes had taken those saying they were 5+/10 likely to vote it would have decreased UKIP’s lead to four points.
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May 1, 2014 8:51am
WineOh

Actually as a post-script to that… the trouble with youf I’ve seen around my part of town recently has been groups of teens congregating amping up on energy drinks for a buzz.
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May 1, 2014 8:51am
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Help us or you’ll see crazies: Addict
Nicky said she had tried to cut down her daily habit, go cold turkey and had even sought medical help but getting off the drug was “impossible”.
She said she had been on the Bay of Plenty Addiction Service (formerly CADS) waiting list for three months and was planning to stockpile legal highs until she could get a medical detox. “I can’t do this myself, no one can.

“If I try to give up. I sweat profusely, sweat just pours out of me, I shake, feel nauseous, have cramps and vomit. My stomach feels terrible, it feels like I have a cyst in there squeezing, and you get really dehydrated, really sick. You can’t function and I hope the Government realises that.
“I hope they realise there are going to be a lot of people out there who need support. You can’t just take something away from people and expect everything to be okay.”

Another addict said he tried to get help from one local organisation but staff simply said “exercise, eat well and take multi-vitamins”.
“They don’t understand this stuff is worse than coming off P,” he said. “The pain is indescribable so you just go back to smoking it, I don’t know what I am going to do if I can’t get proper help.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfmc_id=1503343&objectid=11246259

While Cunliffe derides John Key for also ruling out testing animals with fluffy tails but suggesting long straight tail [rodents] may be OK, it appears there may shortly be a lot of people about with first hand information and data on how particular brands [those until now considered legal and harmless] actually effect humans.

It would be an utter shame if such information is not documented in some anonymous but centralized way to be considered against any subsequent testing regime that is established – fluffy tailed or straight, or Cunliffe’s office computer.
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May 1, 2014 8:52am
Kea

J Bloggs, I agree. It really is only dummies I would change and even dummies can still go to school. Being a bit thick never stopped me turning up… most days 🙂
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May 1, 2014 8:57am
Judith

@ minus (26 comments) says:
May 1st, 2014 at 8:52 am

We have enough drug dealers in prison that we could use for test subjects, we don’t need to use any ‘natural’ animal. 🙂
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May 1, 2014 8:58am
ShawnLH

JUSTICE WILL FIND THEM, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

Dead NZ al Qaeda member named as Daryl Jones:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/9996292/Dead-NZ-al-Qaeda-member-named-as-Daryl-Jones

Sinn Fein’s Gerry Adams arrested over 1972 killing:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9996328/Sinn-Feins-Gerry-Adams-arrested-over-1972-killing
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May 1, 2014 8:59am
Left Right and Centre

Say hello to NZ’s fat acceptance movement . . .

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/are-kiwi-women-a-bunch-of-lardos/9993086/Fit-sexy-and-overweight

This is one fit and sexy chick at 96kg and not 7 feet tall.

Again . . . it’s implied, in that ever so vague tactful way . . so naturally becoming of deluded women, that it’s simply a part of nature’s great plan that some people struggle to fit between two anorexics on a 737 seating row.

Women in NZ weren’t always 96kg gusting up to 106 you know. 106!! YE GODS !!!!!

You can still be fit and healthy if you’re above what is “normal”.

And there it is – inverted commas means be as big a blubbertard as you like – it’s all normal, eh ?

I love my curves and so does my husband. I love that some women embrace their curves, because God gave them for a reason.

I wonder why God suddenly wanted lots of fat New Zealand women ?

Oh well – that’s a good sample of the braindead populous. Fatastic.
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May 1, 2014 9:04am
stephieboy

Manalo, I would agree with you on the halal subway ban.Jews ,as far as am aware ,have not called for a similar kosher ban.Muslims need to get the idea of choices and live and let live when living in a foreign country.Just the same when I’ve been in Malaysia and have gone without pork or ham and alcohol on the menu ..I respect the local customsThe same with Muslims living in Western countries like the UK.
Many elements in the Muslim community in the UK need to get a life.Some of them have even tried to enforce liquor bans in certain areas like East London.
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May 1, 2014 9:09am
Elaycee

@ciaron: Well spotted – the crash was indeed on Lap 7, and not 6. My memory is clearly not flash! 😯

Maintaining a 0.6sec lead over Schumacher, he began lap seven and the 190mph entry into Tamburello. Watkins, sitting in his medical car as the Williams barrelled past him on the finishing straight, thought it appeared skittish and unstable, telling his driver Mario Casoni: “There’s going to be a b—– awful accident any minute.” Schumacher, likewise, instantly intuited that the car in front was not responding as it should, claiming afterwards that he noticed its chassis hit the tarmac as it rattled over the sharp bumps. What ensued defied comprehension as Senna’s car deviated not an inch on its exit from the turn, ploughing through the gravel trap at terrible speed and straight into a concrete wall.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/10796725/ayrton-senna-death-inside-story-imola.html

Hugely sobering.
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May 1, 2014 9:12am
minus

Judith – I was trying to suggest that they have been testing these drugs on humans for about 9 months now, and recording the data of those people who are likely to shortly clog addiction centres should provide whatever information officials need.
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May 1, 2014 9:13am
Kea

LRC, they are a disgusting bunch of lumpen land dugong and are perpetually angry men are not adoring them enough. Most fat women have terrible personalities.

They suffer from low self esteem, low energy and narcissistic entitilitist as they wobble and scoff their way through their sullen lives, while seeking other women who tell them how slim and lovely they look, as they eat themselves to an early death.

Welcome to NZ.
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May 1, 2014 9:13am
Judith

@ Left Right and Centre (2,442 comments) says:
May 1st, 2014 at 9:04 am

I am going to get totally shot for this, but it wouldn’t be the first time, so who cares?

I do not believe that the problem is anything to do with our food – we have some really great natural and non-fattening foods.

The problem rests with lifestyle – New Zealander’s are lazy. (yes, many other nations are lazy too, but we are talking about kiwis).

Laziness is the problem – in how we move, how we shop, the food we eat and how we prepare that food – Kiwi women do everything the ‘easy’ or lazy way – they simply don’t move enough to absorb what they are eating (those that have weight issues).
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May 1, 2014 9:13am
bc

Another day, another tedious comment from igm about Newstalk ZB.
Talk about a stuck record (or modern equivalent – skipping cd?)
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May 1, 2014 9:14am
Kea

Judith you are right. But the enabling of those habits comes from the feminist fantasy that women are entitled victims.

Women in places where that attitude does not exist are often sexy confident and smart.
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May 1, 2014 9:17am
kowtow

shawnlh

That bastard Gerry Adams won’t swing for the murder.
I’d say the arrest is part of the inquiry ,the police going through the motions as it were.

Hopefully what could come from it is the further enlightening of the dumb shits who think the IRA is or ever was a Liberation” movement.

From it’s very outset way back in 1916 they had a tendency to shoot unarmed men as well as numerous “informers”.(That’s anyone they didn’t like)

Cowards of the first order.
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May 1, 2014 9:25am
stephieboy

Thinking of things halal and the subway ban in the UK , Pat Condell on Islams cultural terrorism succeeds,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXeDadNvJpk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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May 1, 2014 9:25am
EAD

What many of us have known all along – the US was behind the Ukraine crisis right from the start and now they’re leading it.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-30/putin-us-behind-ukraine-crisis-beginningnow-leading-it

Perhaps Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said it best when he said:

“Washington’s approach to the events in Ukraine is not fueled by concerns about the fate of the crisis-torn state, but rather by the desire to prove it is still running the show worldwide.

The way the situation in Ukraine is reported in mainstream media indicates that unfortunately, the information machine of our Western colleagues is working at full capacity.

The US is trying to shape public opinion in a specific manner because they are not concerned by the fate of Ukraine in the first place, but have strong desire to prove that it’s them who decides how things should be – always and everywhere”
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May 1, 2014 9:27am
Left Right and Centre

One more – go on then ya moaner –

Super Rugby to jump the shark (jump the Sharks ?) . .

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/9993926/Super-Rugby-2016-expansion-plans-revealed

Kea – I don’t mind fat people so much if they’re not also deluded along with it – far out. I was born this way ? Hel – LOOOOO ??

Judith – I’ll tell you know – you’re fucking with the wrong geezer on the issue of dieting. I will keep coming back at ya full internet retard styles and I don’t give a fuck about admitting that. . . hahahaha. That bitch has to be overeating waaaaay beyond anything a sensible achievable level of physical activity could do to balance it out. At 96kg ? You know that there are plenty of other women who do jack shit and don’t get that big, eh ? You do appreciate just how incredibly big that is for a woman, yeah ? It’s quite fucking obese. She’s saying overweight which again is a flattering use of the everyday meaning of the word. Obese is the correct and accurate description.

So she’s saying I just nibble some fruit and veg and somehow I’m a weather balloon. Yeah right !!
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May 1, 2014 9:27am
NoCash

Elaycee (4,102 comments) says:
May 1st, 2014 at 8:33 am
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When Ayrton Senna was killed, the motorsport world lost it’s favourite son and IMO, we haven’t seen anyone like him since.

As a whole both on and off track, I completely agree. Raw talent alone though, I would say Lewis Hamilton is on par.
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May 1, 2014 9:30am
dime

Cya Maurice! nice knowing ya
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May 1, 2014 9:30am
dime

IGM – newstalk zb have pretty much lost me in the morning. Mainly due to their newsroom. They portray left leaning BS as fact.

Susan Wood – how the hell can anyone speak as fast as she does on a consistent basis? She really is just an attack dog. Not a fan.

I do feel sorry for her over that time she was having employment issues at tvnz and she got so stressed she “yelled at her children”. Shes an idiot.
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May 1, 2014 9:33am
Kea

Kea – I don’t mind fat people so much if they’re not also deluded along with it – far out. I was born this way ? Hel – LOOOOO ??

LRC, agreed. They can be as fat as they like. What annoys me is the delusional behaviour and the fact they are so often angry and bitter with it.

A womans self esteem is much higher if she knows she looks great.
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May 1, 2014 9:34am
Albert_Ross

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9993567/Survey-Kiwis-want-forced-Kiwisaver

I don’t think I’ve seen anything so depressing in a good while. People want themselves, and everybody else, to be /forced/ to do something that they are free, and it is easy, to do already?
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May 1, 2014 9:44am
bc

RIP Bob Hoskins
Great actor, more known in the last two decades for comedy roles, but check out his early British films where he took on gangster roles.
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May 1, 2014 9:49am
Lucia Maria

What many of us have known all along – the US was behind the Ukraine crisis right from the start and now they’re leading it.

That must be a propaganda release trying to counter the current news item that’s even on the front page of the world section in today’s Dominion Post, titled, “Russian spies ‘behind unrest’: We have proof, says US Secretary of State, as war of words escalates”. The accompanying picture shows five armed men, apparently pro-Russian separatists taking cover behind a car in Luhansk, eastern Ukraine, yesterday.

Hard to see how this is all the US’s fault, given the number of armed, pro-Russian separatists on the ground in Ukraine, taking over town after town.
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May 1, 2014 9:51am
Elaycee

@NoCash: No doubt about it… Lewis Hamilton is a very good pedaller. But he has been fortunate to have driven cars at the peak of their development – the McLaren when he entered F1 and now the Mercedes. But I doubt he could win in the current McLaren or any other ‘mid pack’ car.

But who knows?
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May 1, 2014 9:51am
Judith

@ Left Right and Centre (2,443 comments) says:
May 1st, 2014 at 9:27 am

Yes you are right – but that is also laziness – there are some lovely dishes you can make that taste as good as any pie or cake, but they take a bit of effort to produce – so women grab a packet of biscuits, takeaways, or whatever instead.

Yes – you are what you eat – I know, I’m a woman, I know how easy it is to fall into that trap – and as Kea says, there is nothing worse for your self-esteem if you are a woman.

I start everyday with a smoothie – chia seeds, LSA, kiwifruit, berries, guarana powder, and a special powder called Supagreens produced by Matakana Supafoods – it takes a bit of effort – but it works and I’m positively ‘dangerous’ on the days I make that effort – the energy is fantastic.

On the days I can’t be bothered, and start the day with toast or worse – I can’t be bothered getting off my butt and generally as I’m low in energy on those days, I grab the easiest food for the rest of the day, which complicates the problem further.

Oh yeah, and WHITE is bad – white sugar, white flour etc is killing us, and making us lazier – if some woman is 96kg – she got their from eating white!

PS Fruit can be high in sugar, but you’d have to eat one hell of a lot to get to 96 kgs.
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May 1, 2014 9:52am
wreck1080

Williamson is surely toast.

Even if he has done nothing actually wrong, it looks so dodgy .

On on earth did this bill liu guy get into the country and why are government mp’s trying to influence the police regarding his behaviour?
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May 1, 2014 9:52am
ShawnLH

“What many of us have known all along”

What some have ASSUMED all along.

” – the US was behind the Ukraine crisis right from the start and now they’re leading it.”

Do you have actual evidence? Zero Hedge is a propaganda site with zero credibility.
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May 1, 2014 9:54am
ShawnLH

““Russian spies ‘behind unrest’: We have proof, says US Secretary of State, as war of words escalates”. The accompanying picture shows five armed men, apparently pro-Russian separatists taking cover behind a car in Luhansk, eastern Ukraine, yesterday.”

Lucia, you know that actual evidence does not matter. Only Kremlin controlled propaganda is telling the truth. 😉
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May 1, 2014 9:56am
bc

Manolo @ 8.45am
What’s the problem exactly? Subway are reacting to customer demand. That’s how business works!
You cater to your customer base, and provide the service they demand. I thought people here would know that 🙂
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May 1, 2014 9:57am
kowtow

Subway.

I see Subway claim the move is part of being ‘multicultural”.

Multicultural that excludes the ham eaters?

That’s the problem with “multicultural”,it actually isn’t,it’s another code word for anti the host culture.

Yesterday on the Uk post some opined that Muslim immigrants would integrate.Bullshit, and here’s yet more proof,as if any was needed ,that they have no intention of integrating.Far from it.When their numbers are up to it they demand the host changes,and we roll over.And their enablers cry racist or discrimination at any who dare raise an objection to the cultural genocide that is the inevitable result of Muslim migrations.

Normally when a customer wants something they say ‘Can you put this or that on the menu,or shelves”

Not your Muslim.He says …”that’s forbidden ,get rid of it’

There’s a post up today about limiting immigration.Well New Zealand ,we know who to limit ,don’t we?
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May 1, 2014 9:57am
lilman

Off to Doctor,agreed twice with Judith.
It could be terminal!!!

Let the obituaries begin.
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May 1, 2014 9:59am
Lucia Maria

From the Dominion Post article I mentioned above:

According to the leaked tape, Kerry told a group of leading businessmen, diplomats, academics and politicians in Washington on Friday that the US had intercepted “conversations of intelligence operatives [in Ukraine] taking their orders from Moscow”.

“We know exactly who’s giving those orders; we know where they are coming from.”

Kerry added that Russia’s insistence that it was not involved in the unrest was “insulting to everybody’s intelligence.”

After the annexation of Crimea, Putin admitted that the “little green men” seen around the place were in fact, Russian soldiers. After the annexation of Ukraine, if he’s brazen enough to do it the same way Crimea was taken over, he’ll make the same admission. I’d put money on it if I was a betting woman.
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May 1, 2014 10:01am
kowtow

Yes Bob Hoskings was the face of the cultural marxist British “entertainment” industry making criminality glamorous……

A once proud and strong people brought low by an insidious enemy.

And they reap it all now, Halal Subway,murdered teacher,Conservatives introducing parody marriage,the Union breaking up,dictated to by Brusselsforeign criminals with more rights than native born working citizens…….
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May 1, 2014 10:03am
Lucia Maria

Shawn,

Lucia, you know that actual evidence does not matter. Only Kremlin controlled propaganda is telling the truth.

In general, people believe what they want to believe. Personally, I was willing to give Russia and Putin the benefit of the doubt, despite my deep distrust (having a father who was sent off to the gulags as a child and a mother raised under communism will do that to a person), but I see with Ukraine, nothing much has changed. There’s just been a pause, while Russia recovered from the disintegration of the USSR empire, before normal activities resumed.
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May 1, 2014 10:08am
ciaron

Hamilton & Button on Senna’s Mclaren.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhtGBFB-Fl4
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May 1, 2014 10:10am
stephieboy

I support multiculturalism in broad prnciple but I do draw a line in the sand with the kind of Islamic cultural terrorism that forces a writer like Shaldam Rushdie to go into hiding because of death threats, when many Muslims take offense with threats of violence even over the mildest satirical descriptions of their prophet,when Islamic demands the establishment of Sharia Courts without reference to human rights respected in the wider community, down to the ludicrous halal dietary subway demands.
Jews, Sikhs, Hindus and Chiristians in the UK learn to get on with their religion and lives without recourse to threats of violence in the name of their Religions of Peace.why not a minority of petulant crybaby Muslims .?
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May 1, 2014 10:35am
Judith

@ lilman (684 comments) says:
May 1st, 2014 at 9:59 am

Won’t be terminal – there are people that have agreed with me on the odd occasion and not suffered any long term effects. However, if you find any adverse effects, I can give you the name of a shrink that has dealt with other ‘judithised’ victims 🙂
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May 1, 2014 10:40am
lilman

Judith you know a shrink ?
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May 1, 2014 10:47am
kowtow

The world’s media go into a frenzy over a few privately uttered and innocuous words uttered by a rich guy to his girlfriend……
while real modern day slavery goes largely ignored by the same MSM…..

…..Subway anybody?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/04/nigeria-kidnapped-girls-sold-into-marriage-2014430174029374520.html
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May 1, 2014 10:48am
ShawnLH

Why the Jews? Caroline Glick explains the roots of genocidal Jew hatred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_63GLG15hBo
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May 1, 2014 10:51am
NoCash

Elaycee (4,103 comments) says:
May 1st, 2014 at 9:51 am
@NoCash: No doubt about it… Lewis Hamilton is a very good pedaller. But he has been fortunate to have driven cars at the peak of their development – the McLaren when he entered F1 and now the Mercedes. But I doubt he could win in the current McLaren or any other ‘mid pack’ car.

But who knows?

Neither would Senna. Don’t forget Hamilton has won at least one GP every year since he entered F1 in 2007, even though he did not have a top car in some of the years.
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May 1, 2014 10:52am
Judith

lilman (685 comments) says:
May 1st, 2014 at 10:47 am
Judith you know a shrink ?

Hell yeah, they pay me on commission !! You think its bad sharing a blog with me, imagine how the family get on !! 😉
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May 1, 2014 10:53am
Kea

Katie, the daily horrors that occur in Africa have always been hidden from us. The horrific attacks on whites following the election of the communist terrorist Mandela were not reported on at all.

The level of capricious sadistic and pointless cruelity on that continent are beyond the comprehension of white middle class pricks. The place is beyond belief and beyond hope. We need to accept that they are not like us and nor do they need to be. Leave them to it.
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May 1, 2014 10:57am
Kea

stupidboy, you are very critical of Islam. Tell us about the threats YOU have suffered, starting with the most recent one ?

In spite of Muslim bashing being a daily ritual on KB, I have never seen a Muslim writing threats on KB, or even remarking on it. Though I am informed NZ is over-run with Muslim nutters !

Contrast that with the vicious and hysterical nuttery when Jews are spoken of in anything other than reverential terms. You are a raving religious lunatic with a contrived veneer of reasonableness that does not disguise your hate and bigotry. It is people like you who suspend logic and reason in defence of blind faith who are the danger, regardless of the cult they subscribe to.
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May 1, 2014 11:03am
Fletch

Yesterday on the Uk post some opined that Muslim immigrants would integrate.Bullshit, and here’s yet more proof,as if any was needed ,that they have no intention of integrating.Far from it.When their numbers are up to it they demand the host changes,and we roll over.And their enablers cry racist or discrimination at any who dare raise an objection to the cultural genocide that is the inevitable result of Muslim migrations.

~ kowtow @9:57

Evil talks about tolerance only when it’s weak. When it gains the upper hand, its vanity always requires the destruction of the good and the innocent, because the example of good and innocent lives is an ongoing witness against it. So it always has been. So it always will be.
– Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia
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May 1, 2014 11:10am
Harriet

“…..The place{Africa} is beyond belief and beyond hope. We need to accept that they are not like us and nor do they need to be. Leave them to it….”

Same could be said about Muslims Kea. Homo hangers and all that.

They threaten Stephieboi’s security too – that’s why he has to fuck around at the airport emptying his pockets of everyday things.

Stop being an idiot. 😎
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May 1, 2014 11:17am
Dave Mann

On the vexing question of botched executions in Oklahoma, why do the yanks fart around so much with these things? Wouldn’t it be easier to just take these animals out into a courtyard and put a bullet into them? Just asking…?
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May 1, 2014 11:21am
Kea

Fletch, a Jew in London writes.

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The photo with this story shows young Jewish girls wearing nun-like habits in black. This photo should be shown beside a photo of Malala Yousafzai, with the caption: “How extremism in religions deprive girls of their childhood and wishes to take away their freedoms in later life.”

The photo with this story shows young Jewish girls wearing nun-like habits in black. This photo should be shown beside a photo of Malala Yousafzai, with the caption: “How extremism in religions deprive girls of their childhood and wishes to take away their freedoms in later life.”

Kudos to Jonathan Kay for discussing the problems of sex abuse within some ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities. If a Jew reveals to Gentiles not only the pedophilia but also the fanaticism and xenophobia of these fundamentalist communities (which sometimes are known as Haredi),

In my view, the rise of Haredism is the worst phenomenon to occur to Jews since the Holocaust. Haredim are the fastest growing segment of Jews in Israel and the Diaspora because of their huge birthrate.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/11/27/todays-letters-ultra-orthodox-religions-are-fundamentally-wrong/
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May 1, 2014 11:23am
Kea

A Jew writes:

“Jewish communities — both in Israel and the Diaspora — sometimes are held to a lower standard. Despite emerging evidence of widespread, appalling sex abuse within fundamentalist orthodox Jewish communities, this problem gets only sporadic attention, especially compared to the massive media onslaught that accompanied the Catholic sex-abuse cases that have emerged since 2002. In part, this is because Jewish whistleblowers are shamed, harassed and effectively excommunicated.” [no shit]

Last week, in Brooklyn, the NYPD Special Victim’s Squad arrested an ultra-Orthodox Israeli rabbi — Yakov Yitzchak Roth, of the Hasidic sect Shomrei Emunim — after it was discovered that he’d neglected to report on his U.S. visa application that he’d just served a 16-year Israeli sentence for sodomizing a child relative. This is just one of many troubling cases served up by Brooklyn’s Hasidic community in recent years. Others include Baruch Lebovits, a Hasidic cantor whose 2010 conviction on eight counts of molestation recently was overturned on technical grounds (he likely will be retried in 2014). Lebovits’ sexual habits reportedly were widely known in his community for years. But the state prosecuted him only after a Hasiddic whistleblower, Sam Kellner, went public with claims that Lebovits had groped his son. For his troubles, The New York Times reports, “Kellner found himself denounced on the street and barred from shul [synagogue]. His business suffered; [and] he pawned his silverware last year.”

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/11/21/jonathan-kay-judaisms-fundamentalism-problem/
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May 1, 2014 11:27am
Fletch

Kea, all-in-all, there is no more abuse in the Christian or Jewish organisations than there is an secular ones such as schools; in fact, there is more in schools. So your giving examples of abuse as to why religion is wrong is not valid.

People who claim to be Christians or Jews who abuse or commit other crimes are not following the tenets of their faith.

You may as well say that the rugby league is bad because their players get drunk and debauched, and rape or abuse women.

Or that the NBA is bad because some of its members are racist.
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May 1, 2014 11:36am
Kea

Fletch, what utter bullshit and bald faced lies.

The fact is the Jewish extremists are almost identical to the Muslim ones in their customs and behaviour. The ONLY signifigant difference is it is not reported on. They treat women like shit and shun non believers as lessor people. They do not intergrate. Same shit [slightly] different cult. Though funnily enough, they have way more time for the Muslims than you Christians.

My point is not to say Jewish extremists are worse. My point is ALL extremists are equally as bad and only your ignorant faith based bias blinds you to that.

And they are following the “tenets of their faith” you lying bigot. Haredi do nothing much other than study religious texts. They know what they are on about.
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May 1, 2014 11:44am
Fletch

Kea, Jewish “extremists” are not following their faith though, are they?
Muslims who abuse women are following what the Koran or Hadith teaches, or the example of Mohammed.
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May 1, 2014 11:47am
stephieboy

Kea birdbrain, you accept that Pat Condel is an Atheist who happens to be sympathetic to Jews and Israel but not does extend it to your Islamic Sharia terrorist associates.
Violence in Africa.? terrible and that includes those acts against whites in SA. But lets not forget the big problem of islamic Violence like Boka Haram in Nigeria ,not to speak of the despicable violence and genocide by Islamists in the Sudan,

http://www.genocidewatch.org/sudan.html
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May 1, 2014 11:52am
Kea

A little more about the fastest growing group in Israel today. The Haredi ….

Haredim regard themselves as the most religiously authentic group of Jews,[3] and although this claim is contested by other streams, it is a perception which is often held in wider Jewish and non-Jewish society.[4][5]

Haredi Judaism emerged in response to the Jewish Enlightenment (Haskalah) which had given birth to the Reform movement. In contrast to Modern Orthodox Judaism, which hastened to embrace modernity, the approach of the Haredim was to maintain a steadfast adherence to Jewish religious law by segregating itself, as much as is reasonable, from modern society.[6]

Haredim bitterly opposed the establishment of the State of Israel and they do not celebrate its national Independence Day or other state instituted holidays, referring to them as “idolatrous.”[88][89]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredi_Judaism
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May 1, 2014 11:53am
Kea

stupidboy, WTF !

I have repeatedly condemned all religious violence and been scathing about Africa.

YOU are the one minimising and acting as an apologist and denier of religious nuttery.
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May 1, 2014 11:56am
stephieboy

birdbrain, Israel is at least a Democracy ( unlike its neighbours ) and the Haredim as with other manifestations of Jewish Orthodoxy do not represent israeli Government policy nor mainstream thinking in Israeli society.
You know that perfectly well.
Islamic Violence and massacres in Nigeria,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp5EusuPEMk
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May 1, 2014 12:00pm
sbk

bc says ….”You cater to your customer base, and provide the service they demand”…yep…so 60~ million + plus other faiths will shop elsewhere for ham rolls…good time for a non-halah beef,pork and ham sandwich outfit to spring into being…i.e. “Porkies”…to cater to the vast majority.
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May 1, 2014 12:05pm
Kea

Manolo, you do of course realise Jews do not eat pork ? … or maybe not.

Bigotry. The gift that keeps on giving LOL 🙂
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May 1, 2014 12:08pm
Kea

stupidboy, yeah yeah yeah.

Why can you not simply condemn things that are wrong, rather than making excuses for the perpertrators of religious violence and intolerance ? (IF they are Jewish)

I have already said, dozens of times, I condemn all of that with no reservations or qualifiers. What part are you not getting ?
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May 1, 2014 12:11pm
cha

Islamic Violence and massacres in Nigeria,

Of course thoroughly nice christians would never do such a thing…oh wait..

http://www.amnesty.org.au/news/comments/33914/
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May 1, 2014 12:22pm
Lucia Maria

Peaches Geldof tragedy has cruel echoes of her mother’s death

Peaches Geldof died of a heroin overdose in a tragic parallel of the death of her mother which had obsessed her, an inquest will be told today.

The TV presenter was found dead while caring for her 11-month-old son at the family home last month.

A reminder of how dangerous drugs can be. Keep them all illegal.
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May 1, 2014 12:46pm
Judith

@ Lucia Maria (2,032 comments) says:
May 1st, 2014 at 12:46 pm

very very sad, but unfortunately keeping them illegal is not the only way of preventing such deaths.
We need to explore why our young people (and older people) feel the need to live in a substance abused haze.
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May 1, 2014 12:51pm
Kea

Lucy, it was not drugs that killed her. It was a hedonistic live of privelege and unearned adoration from an empty headed shallow celebrity obsessed population.
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May 1, 2014 12:55pm
Manolo

Enjoy! https://www.google.com/finance?cid=983582 😀
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May 1, 2014 1:01pm
Fletch

Photos of women in Afghanistan in the 1950s and 1960s before the Taliban took over. They are wearing normal dresses in the fashion of the time – no tents – and could drive and go to university and learn. No gender segregation.

http://actforamericahouston.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/pre-taliban-afghanistan-1950s-1960s/

The Taliban has turned life for them into a nightmare.
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May 1, 2014 1:07pm
Kea

Fletch, same deal in Israel before the Haredi (fastest growing group in Israel) arrived. They don’t muck around either ! They threw acid on a woman for wearing trousers. I guess that will teach her to thumb her nose at gods favourites wont it ?
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May 1, 2014 1:10pm
cha

before the Taliban took over.

Well them and their BFF.
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May 1, 2014 1:19pm
Ryan Sproull

Cha,

And before the democratically elected prime minister was ousted by a CIA-orchestrated coup and replaced with a US-friendly dictator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat#The_coup_and_CIA_records
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May 1, 2014 1:24pm
goldnkiwi

Wrong blog I know, but I do not post over there. I followed a stock truck today that for some unbeknownst reason had written above its number plate ‘Well oiled beef hooked’, had to have a chuckle.
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May 1, 2014 1:24pm
Left Right and Centre

I do not believe that the problem is anything to do with our food – we have some really great natural and non-fattening foods.

Laziness is the problem – in how we move, how we shop, the food we eat and how we prepare that food – Kiwi women do everything the ‘easy’ or lazy way – they simply don’t move enough to absorb what they are eating (those that have weight issues)

Well – that shows what you know. Fuck all. Diet is the big one – physical activity is secondary. I’ve literally run the experiment. I’m just one example but it’s what the intergod predicted as well. It works the other way as well. Stick to the diet – give up physical activity – gain is minimal. Diet is the big weapon. Unless you want to run double marathons each day to make activity the bigger factor.

You can gain weight eating fruit and veg – just eat enough of it. It’s the energy equation – intake and output. Men and women. I’m picking on women because their new thing seems to be the PC touchy-feelly lets support each other being fat as anything vibe and it’s all ok. The new meme is ‘it’s not your fault your fat, and people should like you no matter how much shit you eat each day’. All these support groups giving each other permission to pork it up until they look like a disgusting waddling mass flabby slab layers of fat.

They’re just fuckin fat slobs mate. If they cop a bit of discrimination – so bloody what.

Sorry to fuck up GD with fat posts people . . .
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May 1, 2014 1:25pm
Kea

One of the most striking ironies of the Nechemya Weberman trial, which ended with his conviction on 59 counts of sexual abuse, was the revelation that the unlicensed therapist was a member of the Va’ad Hatznius, or modesty patrol, the self-appointed arbiters of right and wrong in the Satmar community.

Although they ostensibly monitor the moral behavior of both sexes (men and women are both warned not to read English books, watch television or surf the Internet), most of their energies are directed toward ensuring that women and girls dress and behave modestly.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/inside-haredi-modesty-patrols-1.490510
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May 1, 2014 1:28pm
Manolo

dime, a professor? http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8837954/porn-filmed-in-university-library-in-melbourne
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