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All_on_Red

Ugly
I certainly agree that theUS has been involved in many clandestine operations to influence the politics and directions of other countries but I think using micro nukes to destroy the twin towers and kill a couple of thousand people just to provide a pretext to start a war on terror or hide banking documents is too much of a stretch.
Why would they bother? They ” own” the system and could do what they like. Still do. Just look at the way Obama treats the Constitution with disdain. And does it openly.
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April 9, 2014 9:28pm
ShawnLH

“Not directly, anyway. Her focus has mainly been on the US-Turkey relationship, and she’s had a lot to say about the role of the US in proxy terrorism (Gladio-B). This fits into the US full spectrum dominance doctrine, and is consistent with the US being involved in 9/11 as a false flag operation.”

So no evidence at all, just conjecture based on anti-US conspiracy theories.
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April 9, 2014 9:30pm
mikenmild

Ugly, you single link leads to a list of ‘over 100 professors’. First, one needs to go through that list and exclude all the professors or history, theology, sociology, etc – they obviously have nothing to contribute. From the remaining list of professors who may have relevant expertise, one needs to eliminate those that are making statements in book reviews or other ephemeral media. Then you might get to a much smaller list of professors who might have some credibility and who might have published some relevant analysis. Have you done that exercise? If you haven’t, why not? If you have, surely you can share your assessment.
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April 9, 2014 9:31pm
Reid

If the kinds of explosives needed to bring down the twin towers were used hundreds of people would have seen them being planted before 911 even occurred.

Typical Ignorance

http://911blogger.com/node/2487

Almost all 911 objections come from closed-minded fools who hallucinate that just cos they can’t imagine how it could have been done in ways other than the official story, that therefore, ipso facto, it could not have been done. Therefore all suggestions to the contrary are automatically false and therefore the only things these profound morons ever bother reading because they “already know the answer” is, duh, sites that back up their pre-determined conclusions: i.e. debunker sites.

I mean I guarantee mm, shawn, stephie and the rest of the idiots in the above category, have never ever bothered to read the main 911 sites. In fact, I dare the morons to even name them, I bet they can’t. Can you, morons. Go on, prove me wrong.

Prediction. Shawn will accuse me of jew hating, stephie won’t say a thing because he can’t find a link on this post and mm will do who cares, I certainly don’t.

UT BTW you missed out a bit of the quote from Hertzl:

“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .

I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . .

The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews.

The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”

— Theodor Herzl, Founder of Zionism in 1897
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April 9, 2014 9:35pm
All_on_Red

Mikey
I hope you set the same standard when you read SKS or the 350. Org websites. But I doubt it because what they say probably fits your world view.
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April 9, 2014 9:36pm
Left Right and Centre

Today’s English pronunciation lesson starring a typical undercooked kiwi singing under the star twangled banner….

Twelve.

More than eleven, slightly less than thirteen.

Ok – it goes something like this – ‘tawowalve’. It could be ‘towalve’. More popular with young women and children I might have noticed. There’s no ‘e’. Don’t whatever you do go remotely anywhere near any type of an ‘e’ sound. The ‘e’ is silent.

There’s no ‘Tw’ either. It’s ‘Taw’ at the st-art. With the same stress and rhythm as ‘Temuka’ or ‘Te Puke’.

The key to really nailing this one is to summon up the indistinguishable all purpose boil up kiwi vowel noise that is some mysterious combination of around twenty standard ‘oo’ and ‘uu’ strains which requires the unnecessary brilliance of the full simultaneous use of every conceivable nasal and throat passage for which it is possible to assist in the production of tonal sounds.

They sound like their head is a bagpipe bladder about to burst its bubble with very little trouble at any given moment.
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April 9, 2014 9:38pm
mikenmild

All_on_Red
Sorry, I haven’t visited those websites so I wouldn’t know.
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April 9, 2014 9:39pm
ShawnLH

5 Conspiracy Theories That Are Shockingly Easy to Debunk.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20466_5-conspiracy-theories-that-are-shockingly-easy-to-debunk.html

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842
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April 9, 2014 9:39pm
Rowan

THE LINK BETWEEN GOD AND MEN

An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to his Class on the Problem Science has
with GOD, the ALMIGHTY. He asked one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . ..
…
Professor : You are Christian, aren’t you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, you Believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD Good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor : Is GOD ALL – POWERFUL ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill.
But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent )
Professor : You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, Young Fella.
Is GOD Good?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Is Satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
Student : From . .. . GOD . . .
Professor : That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this World?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor : So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer)
Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the World, don’t they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, who Created them ?
(Student had no answer)
Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you.
Tell me, son .. . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD?
Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol,
Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor : Yes, Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
Professor : Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?
Professor : Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn’t.
(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )
Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat, a Little Heat or No Heat. But we don’t have anything called Cold. We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as Cold. Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat. We cannot Measure Cold. Heat is Energy. Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.
(There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )
Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn’t Darkness?
Student : You’re wrong again, sir.
Darkness is the Absence of Something you can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and it’s called Darkness, isn’t it? In reality, Darkness isn’t. If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn’t you?
Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality. You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD. You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a Thought. It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.
Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )
Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and
Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavour,
Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir?
Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?
(The Class was in Uproar )
Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor’s Brain?

(The Class broke out into Laughter )
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol,
Science says that You have No Brain, sir. With all due respect,sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?

(The Room was Silent. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)
Professor : I guess you’ll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student : That is it sir . . . Exactly !
The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving.

The student was Albert Einstein.
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April 9, 2014 9:40pm
stephieboy

The intellectual cowardice and incompetence of 9/11 Truthers,

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/semiliterateparanoiacswhofantasizeaboutt
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April 9, 2014 9:41pm
ShawnLH

REFUTING THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORIES

http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/refute.htm
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April 9, 2014 9:43pm
Reid

If a Gentile exposes Zionism, they are called “anti-semitic” which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide the Zionists actions.

But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, they resort to other tactics.

First, they ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.

If the information starts reaching too many people, they ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.

If that doesn’t work, their next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn’t been involved in sufficient scandal they are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.

If none of these are effective, they are known to resort to physical attacks.

But, NEVER do they try to prove the information wrong.

Jack Bernstein, (assassinated by MOSSAD)

Gentiles who expose zionism here on Kiwiblog of course are also called anti-semitic by the herd of galloping moron mentals led by Shawn, the epitome of the useful idiot so beloved by Stalin.
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April 9, 2014 9:43pm
emmess

Hey Andrei

Here is some more Russia propaganda that you may like to regurgitate back for us
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/04/i-watched-russian-state-television-for-a-whole-day/360286/
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April 9, 2014 9:45pm
All_on_Red

mikenmild (8,560 comments) says:
April 9th, 2014 at 3:23 pm
[I’m especially grumpy about this because I’ve been doing quite a lot of reading about climate change recently. If you are on the fence about this, I suggest you take a look at https://www.skepticalscience.com/ . I’ve become so concerned that I’ve joined the lobby group 350.org]

What’s this about then? Making shit up are you?
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April 9, 2014 9:45pm
RichardX

Rowan (1,723 comments) says:
April 9th, 2014 at 9:40 pm
THE LINK BETWEEN GOD AND MEN

Oh dear….I see someone has forgotten to do their research…again

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/religion/a/einstein_god.htm

Analysis: This apocryphal tale of a college-age Albert Einstein proving the existence of God to his atheist professor first began circulating in 2004. One reason we know it isn’t true is that the same story was already making the rounds five years earlier with no mention of Einstein in it at all.
Another reason we know it isn’t true is that Einstein was a self-described agnostic who didn’t believe in what he called a “personal God.” He wrote: “[T]he word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.”
And, finally, we know it isn’t true because Einstein was a careful thinker who wouldn’t have abided the specious logic attributed to him here. As written, the argument neither disproves the existence of evil nor proves the existence of God.
(Note: None of what follows is intended to disprove the existence of God, nor suffices to do so.)
Specious logic
The claim that cold “doesn’t exist” because according to the laws of physics it’s merely “the absence of heat” amounts to semantic game-playing. Heat is a noun, the name of a physical phenomenon, a form of energy. Cold is an adjective describing a relative lack of heat. To say that something is cold, or that we feel cold, or even that we’re going out in “the cold,” is not to assert that cold “exists.” We’re simply reporting the temperature. (It’s helpful to recognize that the antonym of cold isn’t heat; it’s hot.)
The same applies to light (in this context a noun denoting a form of energy), and dark (an adjective). It’s true that when we say, “It’s dark outside,” the phenomenon we’re actually describing is a relative absence of light, but that doesn’t mean that by speaking of “the dark” we mistake it for a thing that “exists” in the same sense that light does. We’re simply describing the degree of illumination we perceive.
Thus, it’s a philosophical parlor trick to posit heat and cold (or light and dark) as a pair of opposite entities only to “reveal” that the second term doesn’t really refer to an entity at all, but merely the absence of the first.
The young Einstein would have known better, and so would his professor.
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April 9, 2014 9:46pm
UglyTruth

I think using micro nukes to destroy the twin towers and kill a couple of thousand people just to provide a pretext to start a war on terror or hide banking documents is too much of a stretch.

Yeah, it’s natural to think the best of people. It takes a while to come to terms with the degree of evil that exists amongst the international political elite.

Why would they bother? They ” own” the system and could do what they like.

Their hold on power isn’t all-encompassing, and military aggression without a pretext isn’t going to fly. Obama was reportedly warned that he would be looking at a charge of treason if he called for US military intervention in Syria.
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April 9, 2014 9:47pm
Reid

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

Er Shawn. The person who wrote that. Who was he? Do you know? If you do, do you think it’s significant, or just nothing at all?
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April 9, 2014 9:47pm
ShawnLH

Anti-Zionism is anti-semitism: Behind much criticism of Israel is a thinly veiled hatred of Jews

If Israel’s critics are truly opposed to anti-semitism, they should not repeat traditional anti-semitic themes under the anti-Israel banner. When such themes – the Jewish conspiracy to rule the world, linking Jews with money and media, the hooked-nose stingy Jew, the blood libel, disparaging use of Jewish symbols, or traditional Christian anti-Jewish imagery – are used to describe Israel’s actions, concern should be voiced.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/29/comment
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April 9, 2014 9:48pm
mikenmild

I’m sure you will be able to appreciate Reid, that when you say things like ‘Hollywood is controlled by Zionists’ or ‘Wikipedia is infested with Zionists’ many will understand those statements to be attacks on Jews generally.
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April 9, 2014 9:49pm
All_on_Red

Ugly
I take your point but let me assure you, I am a cynic.
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April 9, 2014 9:51pm
mikenmild

All_on_Red
I was cutting and pasting from a blog post by Steven Price about Mike Hosking. The square brackets at the end must have given the impression that was my own comment. It wasn’t. I should be more careful in posting quoted material. I see tom hunter assumed they were my words too.
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April 9, 2014 9:52pm
ShawnLH

ISRAELOPHOBIA AND MENTAL ILLNESS

Whether it is neurotic or psychotic, Israelophobia can be defined as the hysterical, spiteful, hyperbolic and irrational fear or hatred of Israel. The unhealthy fixation with the State of Israel and Zionism is sometimes referred to as the “new anti-Semitism.” The “new anti-Semites” have merely substituted the word “Jew” with the word “Israel.” This is why Israel is sometimes called the “Jew of the nations.” All the old religious, economic and nationalist prejudices about “the Jew” are reinterpreted for a modern audience. Israel-bashing is merely a way of expressing and legitimizing irrational feelings about Jews. This can be seen in Mr Sandland’s bizarre letter.

As with all irrational prejudices, Israelophobia is intolerant and obsessional. It is espoused by a motley array of factions that include the Left, the Far Right, many Christian denominations, conspiracy theorists and the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims, some of whom are dangerous jihadists. The fact that Israelophobia attracts people from across the ideological, cultural and political divide is a good indication that it is unreasonable and confused.

In any other circumstance you would be hard pressed to find a situation in which Islamists, neo-Nazis, socialists, liberals, radical Islamists, Quakers and people who believe in shape-shifting aliens agree on anything. But when it comes to Israel and “the Jews,” all these factions share the same demented prejudice. Moreover, the disproportionate focus on Israel by the UN, the media and university campuses clearly indicate that Israelophobia is an obsession. And an obsession is a neurosis.

http://defenseoftheisraelipeople.wordpress.com/2013/06/24/israelophobia-and-mental-illness/
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April 9, 2014 9:52pm
Rowan

http://www.raptureforums.com/BibleProphecy/101science.cfm

Richard
Here is a list of 101 scientific facts from the bible, disprove all of them and then I might take you seriously, currently I find you about as convincing as Mr Garrisons take on evolution.
I don’t really care if the student was Einstein or not, the argument holds the same.
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April 9, 2014 9:52pm
Left Right and Centre

My faith tells me that Rowan’s story is yet more internet bollocks.

Update – save it for church fuckwit – no sale.
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April 9, 2014 9:53pm
stephieboy

Reid’s staggeringly ignorant comments about controlled demolition . The laying of charges for the controlled demolition Hudson Tower Chicago took 24 days and even Loose change admit that sniffer dogs and other security measures were only withdrawn from WTC 1 &; 2 five days prior.

“The Hudson Building “It took us 24 days with 12 people doing nothing but loading explosives…” James Santoro – Controlled Demolition Incorporated”

http://politicalmythsdebunked.blogspot.co.nz/

Somehow the laying of charges at WTC, taking considerably longer with more manpower and resources ,some how went unnoticed ,!

LMAO.!
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April 9, 2014 9:55pm
UglyTruth

First, one needs to go through that list and exclude all the professors or history, theology, sociology, etc – they obviously have nothing to contribute.

LOL

Still can’t cope with the implications of the existence of molten steel, can you?

Since there was molten steel in the wreckage of the World Trade Center, and since the temperatures of the fires were insufficient to melt steel, and since the gravitational energy was shown to be very much smaller than the energy needed to melt steel, the Twin Towers and 7 WTC could only have been brought down by explosives or cutter charges.”

Terry Morrone, PhD – Professor Emeritus of Physics, Adelphi University.
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April 9, 2014 9:56pm
mikenmild

Yeah LRC, it’s bollocks. Most of them are trivial, quite a few falsifiable.
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April 9, 2014 9:57pm
All_on_Red

Fair enough mikey.
If you do actually wish to learn a bit about the science I suggest watts up with that.com. Sure Griff froths at the mouth at the mention of it but millions, yes millions of people have voted it best science blog three years in a row. Now consensus actually means nothing ( ask Einstein) but the info and data is pretty pure and honestly represented.
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April 9, 2014 9:59pm
mikenmild

Professor Morrone is obviously wrong Ugly, as no molten steel was found at the site. I tried to Google Prof Morrone BTW, all I got was “did you mean moron?”
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April 9, 2014 10:00pm
Reid

Anti-Zionism is anti-semitism: Behind much criticism of Israel is a thinly veiled hatred of Jews

I’m sure Shawn’s wife would be horrified in his assessment. But she’s probably not surprised at his vapid superficiality. After all, the poor woman freely decided to marry him, presumably she knew what she was getting into.

But it’s so pathetic, to hear such a moron pontificate about things he clearly knows nothing about. This for example is a surprise to him, and it was delivered in 1905, by a Jew. Does that mean it’s anti-semitic too? Or is it anti-anti-semitic?

http://marikasosnowski.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Dowty_YitzhakEpstein.pdf
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April 9, 2014 10:01pm
ShawnLH

Reid, one warning, and one only. Keep my wife out of it.
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April 9, 2014 10:04pm
Reid

Reid, one warning, and one only. Keep my wife out of it.

Shawn, you keep making up lies about me buddy so why is your wife out of bounds?

So you started it, you can finish it, by not lying about me and what I really think about Jews, and that’s going to take an apology from you for the lies you’ve told, an admission you were lying and a commitment you’re not going to do it again.

Over to you.

And for good measure, a commitment to stop alleging UT hates Jews as well. Because I know he doesn’t, either.

Simply because Shawn, robust debate is fine, but that’s one allegation you need to be damn sure of, before you throw it around in public.

Buddy.
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April 9, 2014 10:11pm
All_on_Red

Gentlemen
Choose your seconds. Pistols or swords?
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April 9, 2014 10:14pm
ShawnLH

“Shawn, you keep making up lies about me buddy so why is your wife out of bounds?”

My criticisms are directed at you, not at any of your family members. Your ideology fits classical anti-Semitism, so I call you on that.

Trust me boy, you don’t know me, you don’t know what I have done in the past, and you don’t want to test me on this.

Keep my wife out of it.
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April 9, 2014 10:18pm
griffith

Happy to second reid
Your labeling reid anti jewish is unsupported Reid propose a Zionist conspiracy at that layer. iT is extremely insulting to call someone a neo nazi repeatedly
It is a reflection of the same personality defect that placed my
Gaia the excepted term for the ecosphere we inhabit…. a personification #
As a religious manifestation.

#Everyone knows what a person is, but do you know what personification is? Personification is when you assign the qualities of a person to something that isn’t human or, in some cases, to something that isn’t even alive. There are many reasons for using personification. It can be used as a method of describing something so that others can understand. It can be used to emphasize a point. It is a commonly favored literary tool,
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April 9, 2014 10:21pm
SGA

Rowan at 9:52 pm

http://www.raptureforums.com/BibleProphecy/101science.cfm
Here is a list of 101 scientific facts from the bible, disprove all of them and then I might take you seriously, currently I find you about as convincing as Mr Garrisons take on evolution.

A wonderful example of the “Gish Gallop”
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop
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April 9, 2014 10:24pm
nasska

….”Trust me boy, you don’t know me, you don’t know what I have done in the past, and you don’t want to test me on this.”…..

The man of mystery…..after a life of violence & depravity he finds God & peace.

Yet one dark night on Kiwiblog the line is crossed & our man of the cloth stumbles into the night, slingshot in hand to seek revenge.

To be continued. 🙂
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April 9, 2014 10:26pm
Reid

Keep my wife out of it.

Look fuckwit.

You say things like “Reid thinks” or “Reid says” or whatever.

These ARE YOUR CONCLUSIONS NOT THINGS THAT I HAVE SAID. THEY’RE YOUR FUCKING MENTAL HALLUCINATIONS YOU’VE INVENTED IN YOUR OWN FUCKED LITTLE RAT NEST YOU CALL YOUR MIND.

I told you, you stupid little fuck, I’m very happy indeed to be called on anything I’VE ACTUALLY SAID. But I won’t have puny little tossers called ShawnLH putting words in my mouth.

I don’t give a fuck what you interpret me to have said, I don’t care, I’m not responsible for your education or lack of it and I’m not responsible for your thought processes either, so I don’t care what you say to yourself. What I do care about is when you allege “Reid said” or “Reid thinks” when I didn’t say that and I don’t think that and how the fuck would you know what I think?

So that’s the price Shawn, plus the same for your idiotic allegations of the same nature you throw against UT as well.

It’s an annoying little habit you’ve got there pal, but then again, one assumes in real life, you’re an annoying little man in real life too.

Take it or leave it.

Shame its come to this. In over 12 years and 15,000+ comments you’re the only little arsehole that’s ever forced me into a corner where I have to lay it out like this. Congratulations, you little prick.

P.S. I bet it is, as well.
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April 9, 2014 10:27pm
ShawnLH

“Your labeling reid anti jewish is unsupported”

Nonsense. It is supported by his own words. As other’s can testify to, and as Reid himself has said, he interprets the term Zionist to mean all Askhenazi Jews, and he makes the usual claims of Jewish control of Hollywood and global conspiracy. This fits classical anti-Semitism.

If Reid does not like the accusation, he needs to prove it wrong, which he has failed to do.

The point however is that peoples family members, who are not participating, should not be dragged into the fray. That is uncalled for. It is low, a gutter level scumbag tactic.
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April 9, 2014 10:31pm
stephieboy

UglyTruth (2,852 comments) says:
April 9th, 2014 at 9:56 pm

Name one Emeritus Professor of Physics from say Harvard, Princeton, Stamford,MIT, UCLA etc who has come out in support of Emeritus Professor’s Terry Morrone’s claim about the alleged presence of molten “steel.”?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/11/28/the-physics-of-9-11/
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April 9, 2014 10:35pm
ShawnLH

Reid,

Your own words condemn you. You have said with regards to Jews in Hollywood, and I quote “Satanic Zionist thugs.”

If your going to make statements like that, you cannot complain when you are called on them.

You brought it on yourself. But you seem to want the right to make such statements and not have any consequences as a result.

Tough.

But I have not at any time dragged any member of your family into this debate.

Be wise, and do the same.

I’ll give you some time to calm down and think. But do think Reid. Because as I said, your really do not want to test me on this.
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April 9, 2014 10:37pm
Reid

Nonsense. It is supported by his own words.

Go on. Quote them.

Go on.

You have said with regards to Jews in Hollywood, and I quote “Satanic Zionist thugs.”

Give us the full quote moron. I think you’ll find it’s about the Jews who control Hollyweird. But go and find it.
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April 9, 2014 10:39pm
Reid

Shawn’s quotes today:

I don’t take orders from Jew hating Neo-Nazi’s.

WHERE DOES REID’S JEW HATRED LEAD?

Reid hides behind whackjob conspiracy theories but make no mistake, he is peddling the same filth that led to this.

Reid calls Jews “Satanic Zionist thugs.” He tries to hide his Jew hatred behind a laughable theory that no serious academic anywhere in the world would take seriously.

But make no mistake, it IS standard brand Nazi Jew hatred.

When Reid attacks Jews in Hollywood, that’s Jew hatred.

When Reid claims Jews control the US gov, that’s Jew hatred.

When Reid claims that most Jews are not real Jews, that’s Jew hatred.

When Reid demands that Jews accept his whackjob theory about who “real’ Jews are, that’s Jew hatred.

When Reid attacks the victim’s of the Holocaust, Ashkenazi Jews, as Satanic thugs, that’s Jew hatred.

Need I go on. So go on Shawn. Find me places where I’ve said all those things, made those demands, made those claims. Every single one of them. BTW I only got a few quotes down, there will be more. You need to find me my words where all those things you allege can be substantiated.
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April 9, 2014 10:45pm
Reid

Your a Jew hater no different to the Nazi’s. That is a fact.

Your not a Christian. Your a Nazi style Jew hater who gets his “theology” off of youtube videos and whackjob conspiracy web sites, or any insane source that you think justifies your hatred of the Jews. Your so-called “Christianity” is a sick perversion of the Gospel, much like the false “German Christianity” The Nazi’s tried to force on the Church.

Still more evidence required from you Shawn. And that’s just today. Hey Shawn. Shawn?

He’s buggered off, snivelling little coward.
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April 9, 2014 10:55pm
ShawnLH

Here are the sort of people who think Jews control Hollywood.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t939038/
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April 9, 2014 11:07pm
Left Right and Centre

It’s a good job people like Shawn care so much about everything happening in the world. I don’t know how it would ever keep on turning without his valuable input.

Dr chillout prescribes a few beers and a good sitcom
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April 9, 2014 11:10pm
SPC

The world is to divide into two classes/groups, one tall and intelligent (Zionist) and one short and stupid (slaves of the Zionist) and all because we did not listen to reid …

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6057734.stm
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April 10, 2014 12:12am
Tom Jackson

Here are the sort of people who think Jews control Hollywood.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t939038/

You forgot Joel Stein of the Los Angeles Times.

I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe “the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews,” down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19

And does anyone seriously deny that the Israel lobby exists and is immensely powerful in US politics? That’s not a conspiracy. It’s a fact. The US is completely one eyed when it comes to Israel, and campaign finance has a lot to do with it.
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April 10, 2014 12:14am
ShawnLH

Tom,

the reason for the strength of the US’s support for Israel is not money, but the simple fact that most American’s support Israel.

Reid however goes well and truly beyond any reasonable critiques of Israeli policy. He believes all Askhenazi Jews are Satanic Zionist thugs engaged in ritual child abuse. He has linked to web sites making these claims repeatedly, and if anyone challenges him or disagrees he throws abuse at them, calling them stupid and ignorant.

Now he’s whining like a spoilt brat that someone is challenging him and pointing out that his ideology is Jew hatred, which it indisputably is. And I’m not the only one saying that.

Now Reid, pissed off that he cannot just say what he likes and not be challenged, has decided to well and truly get into the gutter and insult my wife.

He’s a total moron if he thinks for one moment I will let that stand, and it says a great deal about his lack of any real moral character that he will stoop that low.

But the little Jew hating bully has picked on the wrong man.

Big mistake.
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April 10, 2014 12:28am
ShawnLH

It is not surprising to me that he is on Ugly’s side. Ugly is cut from the same cloth. Just look at his rhetoric at even the most mild challenge: From Ugly. “Lying sack of shit.” “Fuck off liar.” “Fucking lying hypocrite.”

Who do UT and Reid think they are? They seem to believe that we must all roll over and agree with their insanity and hatred and if we don’t the abuse follows. I have been watching this for weeks and finally decided to do some challenging of my own.

This blog can be fierce. I have put up with a lot of abuse myself, including from Griff who is now supporting Reid and moaning about me. Total hypocrite.

The three of them dish it out but cannot take it. If you don’t have the balls to just fight back without dragging people’s spouses into it, then piss off and take up stamp collecting.
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April 10, 2014 12:43am
SPC

The column to end ones on line life with.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11233353
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April 10, 2014 1:01am
SPC

So is it safe to go on line to sort out buying some Genesis shares?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11235050
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April 10, 2014 1:06am
Manolo

Adding to Griff’s despair: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/04/09/new-report-claims-un-findings-on-climate-change-is-just-bunch-hot-air/

“All across the planet, the historical increase in the atmosphere’s CO2 concentration has stimulated vegetative productivity,” reads a portion of the 1,063-page report, called “Climate Change Reconsidered II: Biological Impacts.” “This observed stimulation, or greening of the Earth, has occurred in spite of many real and imagined assaults on Earth’s vegetation, including fires, disease, pest outbreaks, deforestation and climatic change.”
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April 10, 2014 5:49am
Tom Jackson

“the reason for the strength of the US’s support for Israel is not money, but the simple fact that most American’s support Israel.”

Hardly. They care more about themselves.
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April 10, 2014 7:02am
ShawnLH

How would you know Tom?
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April 10, 2014 7:12am
ShawnLH

Gallup Polls on American Sympathy Toward Israel

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/gallup.html
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April 10, 2014 7:13am
ShawnLH

Why anti-Zionists are racists.

“A racist is someone who privileges some ethnic groups above others purely on the grounds of race, or racial or ethnic origins. “White supremacists” are therefore racists (as are “black supremacists”.) The hotelier who advertises “no blacks” — or “no Jews” — is a racist. Apologists for anti-Zionist racism, anxious to avoid the opprobrium that the word “racist” attracts, argue that they support the right of Jewish self-determination, but not in “Palestine”. But that’s precisely where the international community has decreed that the state of the Jews shall be located, and where it is located. Those (whose numbers, I regret to say, include British politicians, intellectuals and academics) who campaign for the overturning of these realities are undoubtedly, therefore, racists.”

http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/columnists/90023/why-anti-zionists-are-racists
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April 10, 2014 7:34am
Yoza

Manolo (12,589 comments) says:
April 10th, 2014 at 5:49 am

Adding to Griff’s despair: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/04/09/new-report-claims-un-findings-on-climate-change-is-just-bunch-hot-air/

That’s just sad Manolo, 30 scientists organised by the Heartland Institute to produce denialist propaganda. The Heartland Institute is so toxic even the Koch brothers won’t give it money any more.
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April 10, 2014 7:38am
ShawnLH

Anti-Zionism is Racism (An essay by Judea Pearl)

“Are Jews a nation? A collective is entitled to nationhood when its members identify with a common history and wish to share a common destiny. Palestinians have earned nationhood status by virtue of thinking like a nation, not by residing where their ancestors did (many of them are only three or four generations in Palestine). Jews, likewise, are bonded by nationhood (i.e., common history and destiny) more than they are bonded by religion.

The appeal to Jewish nationhood is necessary when we consider Israel’s insistence on remaining a “Jewish state.” By “Jewish state” Israelis mean, of course, “national Jewish state,” not “religious Jewish state” — theocratic states (like Pakistan and Iran) are incompatible with modern standards of democracy and pluralism. Anti-Zionist racists use this anti-theocracy argument repeatedly to delegitimize Israel, and I have found our students unable to defend their position with conventional ideology that views Jewishness as a religion.

Jewishness is more than just a religion. It is an intricate and intertwined mixture of ancestry, religion, history, country, culture, tradition, attitude, nationhood and ethnicity, and we need not apologize for not fitting neatly into the standard molds of textbook taxonomies — we did not choose our turbulent history.

As a form of racism, anti-Zionism is worse than anti-Semitism. It targets the most vulnerable part of the Jewish people, namely, the people of Israel, who rely on the sovereignty of their state for physical safety, national identity and personal dignity. To put it more bluntly, anti-Zionism condemns 5 million human beings, mostly refugees or children of refugees, to eternal statelessness, traumatized by historical images of persecution and genocide.”

http://cifwatch.com/2012/03/19/anti-zionism-is-racism-an-essay-by-judea-pearl/
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April 10, 2014 7:39am
UglyTruth

It is not surprising to me that he is on Ugly’s side. Ugly is cut from the same cloth. Just look at his rhetoric at even the most mild challenge: From Ugly. “Lying sack of shit.” “Fuck off liar.” “Fucking lying hypocrite.”

Facts are facts, ShawnLH, you are both a liar and a hypocrite.
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April 10, 2014 8:42am
ShawnLH

Ugly, you have proven time and time again that facts are of no concern to you.

You just, like Reid, do not like being challenged. In FACT, the “fuck off liar” statement you made was not even directed at me, but at someone else who disagreed with you.

What does that say about your true nature? You tell people to fuck off merely for disagreeing with you.

You and Reid and petulant children who have not learned how to play with the adults.
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April 10, 2014 8:47am
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Rowan (1,724 comments) says:
April 9th, 2014 at 9:52 pm
http://www.raptureforums.com/BibleProphecy/101science.cfm
Richard
Here is a list of 101 scientific facts from the bible, disprove all of them and then I might take you seriously, currently I find you about as convincing as Mr Garrisons take on evolution.
I don’t really care if the student was Einstein or not, the argument holds the same.

You really are scientifically illiterate aren’t you?
Still banging on about a cartoon that ridicules creationists as if it supports your position?

The argument outlined in your nonsense tale falsely attributed to Einstein is nonsense.
It is flawed in several ways. The site I posted gave reasons beyond the one example of spurious logic on the failings of the argument and you are still unable to distinguish reason from fantasy.

Leaving aside the fact that you are resorting to the Gish Gallop, as I have said before, thankfully I am not your science teacher but if you want to get your ‘scientific facts’ from an ancient text as interpreted by a website that makes the claim below, good luck to you

“Confused about rapture of the church and the end times? You’ll find answers to all your questions about the rapture and much more. And we’ll help you understand how news headlines relate to the rapture as we count down the days until the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.”

If you can explain the theory of evolution in your own words and explain what evidence you reject and why, I will work on your list
Actually that would require some scientific understanding from you so it is highly unlikely
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