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big bruv

So, can all those gun loving nuts remind me why the answer to gun crime in the USA is more guns?
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April 4, 2014 8:05am
mandk

Nice one bb, you’re poking a stick into a libertarian wasp nest.
Don’t you know that guns don’t kill people? People kill people.
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April 4, 2014 8:08am
duggledog

Thousands of benes can afford to fly overseas, Paula cuts their benefits (for the time being; how much and for how long?)

This takes nearly six years to happen

Why?
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April 4, 2014 8:10am
hj

Sociobiology was the ‘new’ scientific synthesis that emerged to challenge decades of liberal and Marxist control of the social and anthological sciences with the publication of Harvard biologist E O Wilson’s The New Synthesis: Sociobiology in 1975.[1]

Sociobiology did not emerge from a vacuum. While the biological sciences that had spawned eugenics and the genetic basis of IQ for e.g.. had been largely supplanted and driven to the catacombs by the onslaught of a cabal of social anthologists with Left-wing political motivation, headed up in the USA by Franz Boas, with counterparts in the USSR headed by Lysenko, a significant number of geneticists remained to put up a rearguard action in the interests of science rather than dogma.[2]

DR HAMILTON’S OBSESSIVE DELUSIONS

Dr Hamilton is at it again, with the encouragement of Chris Laidlaw and Radio NZ, having been interviewed on 31 May on the Sunday Morning program apparently as some kind of authority on ‘Holocaust denial’ in New Zealand. Unfortunately I do NOT have the significance and influence Hamilton and fellow liar Roel Van Leeuwen of Waikato Uni., ascribe to me, and can do little other than write to Radio NZ and Mr Laidlaw on this matter, in the unlikely hope that there’s someone there with integrity.

5 June 09

Mr Chris Laidlaw

Radio NZ

Dear Mr Laidlaw

I have just listened to a program hosted by Chris Laidlaw and featuring Scott Hamilton, (Sunday Morning program 31 May) supposedly dealing in some manner authoritatively with “Holocaust denial” in New Zealand.’

Hamilton seems to have a personal obsession with me, and with Martin Doutré, and I don’t quite see why he has been permitted to spout defamatory statements, while Mr Laidlaw sits their obligingly nodding in agreement as though Hamilton is a credible scholar.

Hamilton’s mention of me was entirely gratuitous and without justification, and it seems in recent months he has arisen from nowhere to try and make a name for himself by exposing a non-existent neo-Nazi threat, in similar manner to what Paul Spoonley attempted several years ago; and as the hapless Roel Van Leeuwen, whose thoroughly debunked and fraudulent thesis Hamilton has approvingly cited, is also attempting to do.
Hamilton states in the course of the Laidlaw interview that I am a neo-Nazi, that I am a leading holocaust denier, that I work closely with Dr Toben of the Adelaide Inst., who has recently been sentenced to a prison term for contempt of court; the implication being that I am associated with some unsavoury characters. He further states that I am the ‘inventor’ of the ‘Celtic New Zealand theory’. He states that I am an anti-Semite and that I have insinuated myself into the anti-war movement and the Palestinian solidarity movements, and that my anti-Semitism has had an impact on credulous youngsters.

http://www.freewebs.com/renaissancepress/articles.htm
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April 4, 2014 8:10am
minus

Glass of milk versus Dotcom’s new party
Parliament recently near imploded over Judith Collins endorsement of milk in the Oravida issue, with John Key then visiting China a week later to promote dairy products.

And while the furor still rages over Judith Collins’ possible conflict of interests, Kim Dotcom, German-Finnish Internet entrepreneur, businessman, singer, politician and hacker, sets up the Internet Party without, it seems, any questions whether a specialised party – owned and run by an Internet entrepreneur and businessman, unable to stand for Parliament himself – is such a fundamentally flawed concept as to even be considered by the Electoral Commission.

Is there any hint of a conflict of interests between potential Members of Parliament and the 10 point
Internet Party Vision and Mission?

1] Cheaper, Unlimited Internet – Deliver cheaper, unlimited, high-speed Internet for everyone.
Greater access by the maximum possible users of Dotcom interests.

2] Spying and Net Freedom – All New Zealanders have the right to interact and communicate online, securely and privately, including Dotcom interests

3]Reform copyright laws.
We will advance a balanced system that rewards creators and benefits the public, which in turn will attract innovation and new businesses including Dotcom interests

4] Responsive Government – Make government work for its citizens, including Dotcom interests, not the other way around.

5] Environment – Encourage green technologies and protect our environment. More Internet based business and data centres, to extend Dotcom interests

6] Innovation and Jobs – Boost innovation and high-tech jobs in New Zealand. Staff for Dotcom interests

7] Strengthen New Zealand’s independence – from corporates like those of Hollywood, who’d love to bugger Dotcom interests

8] Digital Currency – Introduce a government-sponsored digital currency. Facilitate Dotcom interests

9] Modernise schools and the education system – get them while they are young to increase Dotcom interests

10] And more … Party members and experts will play a direct role in the formation of the Internet Party’s policies in Dotcom interests.

Which of Dotcom Internet Party policies will advantage Dotcom’s Internet interests?
10 out of 10!
See? Leaves your Judith Collins’ glass of milk “conflict of interests” problem for bloody dead.

CABINET MANUAL
Identifying conflicts of interest – Types of conflicts of interest
2.60
A conflict of interest may be pecuniary (that is, arising from the Minister’s direct financial interests) or non-pecuniary (concerning, for example, a member of the Minister’s family). A conflict of interest may be direct or indirect. Ministers must consider all types of interest when assessing whether any of their personal interests may conflict with, or be perceived to conflict with, their ministerial responsibilities.
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April 4, 2014 8:11am
Nostalgia-NZ

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/22362919/national-support-falls-in-new-poll/

Even with the good news the whiff of ‘self-entitlement’ lingers…
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April 4, 2014 8:12am
James Stephenson

@bruv, don’t you think there’s a large element of copycat attention seeking that links these events? I think that’s the main problem the Seppos need to get to grips with.
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April 4, 2014 8:20am
Reid

Interesting comment from the ex-Assistant Treasury Secretary to the question: “Is free global movement of labour and capital about creating the greatest welfare for the greatest number of people?”

His answer: Globalism is about impoverishing first world labour and turning agriculture in less developed economies into monoculture for export. So you destroy self-sufficiency in less developed countries and destroy self-sufficiency in the workforce in developed economies and the only gainers are a few big banks and a few big corporations.

It’s an interesting observation, isn’t it. For those who can’t think, please note this isn’t a “theory” much less a “conspiwacy theowy,” since every single one of us who can think and has eyes, can see for ourselves precisely what he said actually happening as globalism unfolds, can’t we. So there’s no denying it’s happening, is there. We may not like it but we can’t deny it, anymore than one can deny the sky is blue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XgsueBONEFE
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April 4, 2014 8:22am
Judith

Well I hope everyone has got their party hats on, because it looks like the next three years could be damn entertaining as we witness: –

“Arise Sir Winnie, new Prince of Whales” –

Going by recent polls, whilst no one can confidently guess who will be the next PM, but the next deputy PM is almost certainly going to be Winston Peters, as NZFirst will be needed by either side to take the house.

As Winnie holds the govt to ransom, under National very little of anything positive will be able to be achieved, especially as egos lock heads.
Under Labour, nothing positive was going to be achieved anyway, so it could be very much status quo – although on the bright side, Cunnliffe will be no match for Winnie, who will walk over the Khaki mix (red/green combination), like it was last weeks roast chicken.

The Maori party will be out in the cold, and if Winston has his way – sent to oblivion. United Future – well, I just can’t see Peter Dunne ‘handling the jandal’ and the stress so is likely to fall for yet another pretty smile from the press gallery.

The Act party will be forced to don Nun Habits and head to Hollywood for parts in Sister Act 3.

And Colin Craig – well, I’ve a feeling he might be too delicate to handle the atmosphere of a House held to Ransom by Sir Win.

and Parliament will now be screened on the Comedy Channel.

So it will be hold on to hats folks, the best we can hope for is that they do no lasting damage, but my god, it’s going to be entertaining. (of course the outlook could change in the next 6 months but today, it looks like the idiots will be running the asylum). 🙂
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April 4, 2014 8:24am
Alan

Interesting poll, it seems to show a direct transfer from National to NZF. Labour picking up some votes from the Greens as is Internet Party.

The NZCP at 2.5 is a dream for Labour, big enough to hurt National but not close to getting over the line.

Colin Craig and his supporters could just put Labour into office if they’re not very careful.
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April 4, 2014 8:30am
EAD

@ Big Bruv

America does not have a gun problem, it has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem.
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April 4, 2014 8:31am
Ross12

Judith

If your scenario of Winston going with Labour eventuates the one positive will be the Greens will be on the sideline because that will be an absolute must for Winston to agree to anything with Cunliffe.
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April 4, 2014 8:33am
flipper

Good morning Nos -NZ…

The Roy Morgan, aka Whore’s Drawers, poll is like the proverbial yo yo…. and / or street-walker. 🙂

But…
Speaking of entitlements…. the overwhelming sense of entitlement exhibited by the bennie pushers (advocates) in relation to overseas travel is astounding. To describe the travel crack-down as beneficiary bashing is a demonstration of their belief that our money is their entitlement.

PS… Nos…what news on the sisters?
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April 4, 2014 8:33am
eszett

EAD (279 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 8:31 am
@ Big Bruv

America does not have a gun problem, it has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem

As a rule of thumb, you shouldn’t have guns freely available to people with mental health problems.
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April 4, 2014 8:39am
Pete George

Comparing and averaging the three recent polls:

National – 45.9, 47, 43 – 45.3
Labour – 31.2, 31, 32 – 31.4
Greens – 11.2, 11, 13 – 11.7
NZ First – 4.9, 7, 5.5 – 5.8
Conservative – 1.9, 2.3, 2.5 – 2.2
Maori Party – 1.5, 0.9, 1.5 – 1.3
ACT Party – 1.1, 0.3, 0.5 – 0.6
Mana Party – 1.1, 0, 0.5 – 0.5
Internet Party – 0.4, 0, 0.5 – 0.3
UnitedFuture – 0.1, 0.1, 0.5 – 0.2

Reid Research (18-26 March), Colmar Brunton (22-26 March), Roy Morgan (17-30 March) – Average

Three polls.

There’s been some interesting poll posts and discussions:
– http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-gower-speaks
– http://sayit.co.nz/blog/what-chance-do-internet-party-and-conservatives-really-have
– http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/on-popularity/
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April 4, 2014 8:41am
WineOh

Game of Thrones fans, need to check out the “Honest Trailer” summary of seasons 1-3.
Frickin Hilarious, had small tears in the corners of my eyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaD8rouJn0
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April 4, 2014 8:44am
Judith

@ Ross12 (905 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 8:33 am

Exactly. As someone pointed out to me last night – Maybe NZ needs to experience something like this, to shock us all into the realisation that we need a shake up of our whole political system, which perhaps means getting rid of the old National/Labour divide and having options that reflect more on the needs of current society and global conditions.

With the current make up, and MMP, I fear we will just keep going round in circles. What sort of efficiency, allows the minority to have control?
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April 4, 2014 8:46am
EAD

@ Eszett

Before the First World War New Zealand had no gun control legislation and firearms, even pistols, could be bought just as easily as one buys a packet of Moro Bars (until the Health Nazis finally get there way). Yet the murder rate was nothing like as bad as it is in NZ today. In Europe, Switzerland is still one of the most heavily tooled up nations yet it’s suffered no killing sprees.

It’s not the availability of guns that’s the problem, something rather more fundamental has gone wrong with society.
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April 4, 2014 8:49am
hj

In December 2009 Bolton filed a complaint with the Broadcasting Standards Authority concerning the Ideas program on Radio New Zealand National, which featured Marxist poet and sociologist Scott Hamilton. Hamilton had stated that Bolton was an avid ‘holocaust denier’, had a ‘close relationship’ with the revisionist Adelaide Institute, insinuated himself into the anti-war movement where he made anti-Semitic and ‘holocaust denial’ statements, and exercised a bad political influence over ‘unwary youth.’ Bolton claimed that all of Hamilton’s allegations were incorrect. The Broadcasting Standards Authority initially upheld Bolton’s complaint on all grounds, and criticised Radio New Zealand for not having verified the accuracy of Hamilton’s statements before airing the program,[20] but reversed this decision in December 2010 and declined to uphold any of Bolton’s complaints. However, the BSA also declined to form an opinion on the allegations made by Scott Hamilton, and stated “for the record” the complaint would have been better made under the “fairness” clause.[21]

In December 2009 Bolton complained to the Press Council against a lengthy feature article run by The Press, Christchurch, ‘A Right Muddle’ by John McCrone. Bolton stated that the article wrongly implied that Bolton was a ‘neo-Nazi Satanist’, that he was associated with ‘white power’ and ‘pseudo-fascist views’, that he was involved with the National Front and was the founder of New Right New Zealand, among other matters. The Press Council in a ruling dated for release as 26 March 2010, upheld the complaint, determining that the article is ‘inaccurate and biased’.[22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Bolton

A complaint upheld on all counts and then over turned but no opinion on the allegations?
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April 4, 2014 8:50am
big bruv

EAD

“America does not have a gun problem”

You’re kidding right?
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April 4, 2014 8:56am
Yvette

@ minus
I had actually wondered that too: Why single interest parties are not a supreme conflict of interest?
Left alone Judith’s glass of milk , private dinner and lunch.
There was of course the Legalize Marijuana Party, may still be.

And was it a conflict of interests for Louisa Wall to vote for homosexual marriage, let alone introduce such a self-interested conflicted bill.

And after the precedent an Internet Party may set, the next I would expect to see: the McBaccocola Party –
an alliance of McDonalds, Big Tobacco, and Coca Cola who are all similarly motivated, and all in active strife with politicians and should all have their own Members of Parliament to pursue their (so far) legal interests and those of their many supporters, who together form a large committed section of the population, including many younger adults permitted to vote but don’t.

Liberté, égalité, fraternité and McBaccocola
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April 4, 2014 8:56am
Judith

@ EAD (280 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 8:49 am

I am not religious, however, society prior to WWI was mostly regulated by religious belief. It was also, arguably, more of a struggle, and busy hands, tend to make less mischief (according to my old Grandmother).

Society is very different today. People have far more leisure time, far more and complicated expectations, less family support, and the hierarchy of respect as gone. There are also many conflicting cultural behaviours.

Add to that the influence of alcohol (more readily accessed) and mind altering drugs, less personal restraint, and then apply easy access to weapons, and you have the perfect recipe for disaster.
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April 4, 2014 8:59am
Nostalgia-NZ

All quiet with the sisters flipper, described as dragging the chain. I’m wondering if it is anything to do with ‘disappearance’ of one of the respondents. I think there will also be an ‘effort’ to avoid the JR going ahead this side of the election. In a pragmatic world, with emotion put aside, that would and should have been settled long ago – but unfortunately others with the capacity to spend money not their own often lose sight of the expense because it’s not from their own pockets. Much more to come I predict particularly in regard scientific analysis because there is a wealth of it which words will not deny, each linking with the other and far and away from what ‘somebody said to somebody’ or asking questions ‘of why wouldn’t’ and the good old ‘what I would have done.’

Haven’t read the bene thing in detail, in some respect the ability to travel – which is a freedom of course, is fairly inexpensive these days. We frequently get ‘special’ deals arriving at low fare prices. My retired in laws take advantage of them frequently to travel between here and the islands for less than a family grocery bill. On a related subjected of PIs reportedly moving to National in traditional Labour areas Mangere, East Tamaki – I don’t know if there are still restrictions on superannuation applying to have to be in New Zealand for a certain period each year, but if there are it would be a good expedient to accepting that the generation of the fifties and sixties, now retired, shouldn’t have to jump through hoops to get their entitlements if they decide to retire overseas.
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April 4, 2014 9:00am
iMP

Love is Worth Defending. Join the Defence with Us. (Pic of Rainbow hat).

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151951692586372&set=a.489359751371.266952.10779081371&type=1&theater

More cynical manipulation from Russell Norman appropriating the Greens and the NZ gay community. A new poster up on the Green’s FB page, against Colin Criag’s defamation. Norman is using the gay community as a human shield to smoke-screen that he lied, twice, and will not simply apologise like a spoilt brat. I’m sure Colin Craig is only pursuing this because of Norman’s lack of humility and belligerence. The Civilian just apologised, and Colin said, “thanks” and went away.

Don’t like the appropriation of the gays here.
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April 4, 2014 9:01am
dime

“So, can all those gun loving nuts remind me why the answer to gun crime in the USA is more guns?”

so can any of you potential dictators tell me why its a good idea to only have guns in the hands of governments? the only groups capable of starting wars?

Bruv/ Pol Pot.. same shit 🙂
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April 4, 2014 9:02am
dime

WineOh – Honest Trailers are freaking hilarious. Ive seen them all at least twice.
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April 4, 2014 9:03am
WineOh

List of countries as of 2007 on Wikipedia with highest number of guns per head of population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

NZ is at #22 with 22.6 guns per 100 residents. Still quite high really.

Here are the top 20:

United States 89.0
Serbia 58.2
Yemen 54.8
Switzerland 45.7
Finland 45.3
Cyprus 36.1
Saudi Arabia 35
Iraq 34.2
Uruguay 31.8
Sweden 31.6
Norway 31.3
France 31.2
Canada 30.8
Austria 30.4
Germany 30.3
Iceland 30.3
Oman 25.5
Bahrain 24.8
Kuwait 24.8
Republic of Macedonia 24.1

Was astonished to see North Korea tied for 164th place… almost at the bottom with 0.6 per 100. What a social paradise that place must be. Or… I guess they don’t want any chance of any armed insurrection against the Dear Leader?
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April 4, 2014 9:03am
Alan

Seems clear that National is at about 45%, clearly largest party.

NZ first looks safe enough, if he’s at 5% now, he’s not going to lose that with the extra publicity, they always trend up closer, somewhere around 6.5% again looks likely.

The Greens are starting to get squeezed a bit, but look good for 10%. Labour will probably get very low 30s.

Without viable coalition partners, John Key looks in big trouble.
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April 4, 2014 9:06am
Judith

@ flipper (3,249 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 8:33 am

Whilst I agree with you in essence, I think the system is still too loose and inefficient. Okay, so overseas holidays are checked, but what about local holidays – nothing stopping those. Hell, if you’re good at it, you can have a fantastic holiday and never leave your city.

Technology is one of the biggest enemies of an efficient welfare system. When you have to physically turn up to receive your welfare cheque, it’s a little bit harder (especially if you are working under the radar and so on). A physical appearance allows the ‘officer’ to see the state of you – and assess if you are really ‘work ready/available for work’ – to see if you are ‘stoned off your face’, and so on.

Put beneficiaries back on physical payment – that is, turning up in person to collect their benefits, and the numbers would drop over night. (Yes I realise the cost of doing it that way is expensive, and accept that sickness beneficiaries cannot necessarily leave their homes). But for many, it would be a huge wake up, and sort out those in genuine need from the slackers.
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April 4, 2014 9:07am
Reid

Love is Worth Defending. Join the Defence with Us. (Pic of Rainbow hat).

It’s actually an extremely clever move by Craig, since every dollar donated to the Gweens for this campaign is a dollar less their supporters will be willing to offer them for their general campaign fund.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…
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April 4, 2014 9:09am
dime

“Was astonished to see North Korea tied for 164th place… almost at the bottom with 0.6 per 100. What a social paradise that place must be. Or… I guess they don’t want any chance of any armed insurrection against the Dear Leader?”
sums it up nicely!
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April 4, 2014 9:15am
igm

When is there ever going to be an apologist for bludging beneficiaries that does not have either a pommie or Irish accent? Have they stuffed their own countries to the extent they need to start somewhere else to sate their envious political agendas.
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April 4, 2014 9:15am
Ross12

Flipper and Judith

This beneficiary / travel issue is another bit of poor communication from the Government or twisting of the facts by the MSM. The only beneficiaries who are affected are those on some sort of “getting into a job” grant not the general dole payment receivers, as I understand it.
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April 4, 2014 9:15am
dime

Colin Craig – hes polling around 2% now?

A party who’s not in office.. is hated by the media… months out from the election..

Worst case scenario – he peaks at 4% and all those votes are wasted.

Best case – he gets about 3% and brings a few dopes with him who do bugga all, but they prop up the govt
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April 4, 2014 9:17am
mikenmild

Ross12
There is no more unemployment benefit; it is now all ‘jobseeker support’, so I think this restriction applies to all beneficiaries.
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April 4, 2014 9:20am
ShawnLH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNxvo8AcpQQ
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April 4, 2014 9:21am
Ross12

A correction to my comment above –from W/o I read this

“Bennett said more than 1750 people have had their benefit suspended for multiple overseas trips since July.

The largest group of suspensions applied to nearly 11,200 people on job seeker benefits, followed by more than 4800 solo parents and about 3500 on the supported living payment”
So obviously more details have come out since yesterday.
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April 4, 2014 9:21am
Yoza

mandk (651 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 8:08 am

Nice one bb, you’re poking a stick into a libertarian wasp nest.
Don’t you know that guns don’t kill people? People kill people.

Sledgehammer:“No they don’t, bullets kill people.”
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April 4, 2014 9:22am
Judith

@ Ross12 (906 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 9:15 am

My understanding is that all benefits (excluding sickness, and DPB with children under a certain age) are now Job Seeker, (especially unemployed) and that all recipients must be available for work and actively seeking employment (which one can’t do if they are in a perpetual party/holiday mode). I really should check the WINZ site, it probably as more info but I think in most cases you are expected to be available and work ready.
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April 4, 2014 9:24am
WineOh

@ Dime, yeah those trailers are genius… I just discovered them this morning & have watched about half of them back to back. Warning- do not watch with a full bladder as you run a serious risk of pissing yourself.
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April 4, 2014 9:27am
wikiriwhis business

As Malaysian Flight 370 is missing so 4 Patent Holders of a Defense semiconductor leaving only Jacob Rothschild as the sole owner.

“Wouldn’t be the FIRST time our government tried to STEAL someone’s patents..Just look at Bryzinski’s cancer (very affective) treatment..The government has tried to STEAL his patents when they were IN the patent office. ”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As8wwge5tog
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April 4, 2014 9:32am
dime

wiki – ever met a conspiracy theory you didnt like?

im all for being skeptical but goddam, get a new hobby
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April 4, 2014 9:40am
mikenmild

wikiriwhis
I assume you are referring to Stanislaw Burzynski, the cancer ‘curing’ charlatan.
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April 4, 2014 9:40am
ShawnLH

Bullets don’t kill people. It’s the impact created by the bullet meeting soft flesh that kills people.
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April 4, 2014 9:43am
Judith

@ ShawnLH (1,161 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 9:43 am

Actually you are all wrong – in every single case, it is the fact the heart is not beating that causes death. 🙂
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April 4, 2014 9:47am
ShawnLH

Hah, very good Judith. 🙂
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April 4, 2014 9:48am
Manolo

The changing face of Chicago: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/04/03/amazing-graphic-shows-chicagos-middle-class-disappear-before-your-eyes/
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April 4, 2014 9:49am
ShawnLH

My wife has yet another funeral today. That’s 12 this year. Papa Death has been very busy.
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April 4, 2014 9:49am
griffith

Not very good hunting weapons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYjbSGO30K0
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April 4, 2014 9:52am
Ross12

Judith & mikenmild –thanks , my misunderstanding of the terminology
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April 4, 2014 10:00am
UglyTruth

Maybe NZ needs to experience something like this, to shock us all into the realisation that we need a shake up of our whole political system, which perhaps means getting rid of the old National/Labour divide and having options that reflect more on the needs of current society and global conditions.

IMO much of the problem is that people think in terms of whether they need to do something then whether they should do something.
Need based thinking leaves people in a permanent state of crisis management.
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April 4, 2014 10:03am
Azeraph

You can tell when everyone is still stuck in the last century. Thank God the the misguided Christians of today don’t have that much power anymore. We need to go republic and transform ourselves from a bunch of past looking romantic idiots to truly be a sovereign nation. We’re the only ones down here, all we have is Oz and the Islands, no matter what we will always be vulnerable.

The most fearful thing i have ever heard come out of a middle aged man of means was ” Someone too strong will come along.” I replied “There’s already someone in there now who has the approval of a good chunk of the nation who is strong and central.” Our generations need to adopt the soractic method to free our children of repeating our mistakes.

Fear is the little feeder that eats at everyone.
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April 4, 2014 10:04am
wikiriwhis business

“Mandatory Euthanasia” for Senior Citizens to Be Part of Obama Care? Media
analyst and author Mark Dice asks random people if they’ll sign a petition to support the “mandatory” euthanasia provision in Obama Care to help keep healthcare costs down by putting senior citizens to sleep. Shot in San Diego, California

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4BEY1lZDyg
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April 4, 2014 10:05am
Jack5

For posters who frequently joust about Israel etc, a human story about anti-Semitism in Hungary and the extreme racist who found he was Jewish.

After learning his family history and undergoing the chop from a circumciser from Israel, has well and truly jumped the political fence.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/a-hungarian-right-wing-extremist-explores-his-jewish-roots-a-962156.html#ref=nl-international
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April 4, 2014 10:14am
cha

In Europe, Switzerland is still one of the most heavily tooled up nations yet it’s suffered no killing sprees.

FFS, every time there’s a mass shooting the same tripe is trotted out.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/mythbusting-israel-and-switzerland-are-not-gun-toting-utopias/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Menznau_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanshorn_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zug_massacre
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April 4, 2014 10:16am
wikiriwhis business

NZ banks embroiled in global inquiry

New Zealand banks are embroiled in a global investigation into foreign-exchange manipulation, but the regulator will not say which banks have been put under the spotlight.

Market watchdogs around the world are cracking down on the NZ$6.2-trillion-a-day foreign exchange market, after suggestions that senior traders have colluded to influence currency movements.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9902489/NZ-banks-embroiled-in-global-inquiry

Collusion is the closest thing to saying conspiracy. But the law does use the term conspiracy.
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April 4, 2014 10:16am
ShawnLH

Jack5,

Yes I saw that story a while back. That’s the problem with genuine racism. What happens when you find out your not one of the racially “pure”?

Fascinating example.
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April 4, 2014 10:17am
mikenmild

Yeah, ‘conspiracy’ only appears about half a dozen times in the Crimes Act.
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April 4, 2014 10:21am
wikiriwhis business

The US government masterminded the creation of a “Cuban Twitter” – a communications network designed to undermine the communist government in Cuba.

It was built with secret shell companies and financed through foreign banks, The Associated Press has learned.

The project, which lasted more than two years and drew tens of thousands of subscribers, sought to evade Cuba’s stranglehold on the internet with a primitive social media platform. First, the network would build a Cuban audience, mostly young people; then, the plan was to push them toward dissent.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9903069/US-built-secret-Cuban-Twitter-to-stoke-unrest

This conspiracy is no theory. What else is the NSA run US up to. Kennedy was going to tell us. In fact he did before he was murdered.
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April 4, 2014 10:22am
Ross12

From another blog I read , a poster highly recommends the following book by Andrew Brietbart ” Righteous Indignation: Excuse me while I save the world”
I think this is the same guy who started/owns the blog by the same name –Brietbart. Sort of like a right wing version of Huff Post.

Briethart says he was brainwashed at university in the left wing way of thinking but changed “horses” later in life. The book explains how those on the left in politics think and go about the political process –largely from an USA perspective by what the reviewer is saying.
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April 4, 2014 10:23am
wikiriwhis business

“Yeah, ‘conspiracy’ only appears about half a dozen times in the Crimes Act.”

Which makes it a legal term if it appears once trivialist.
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April 4, 2014 10:24am
UglyTruth

We need to go republic and transform ourselves from a bunch of past looking romantic idiots to truly be a sovereign nation.

Need implies a threat. What is the threat?

Fear is the little feeder that eats at everyone.

Fear can tell us that a threat exists.
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April 4, 2014 10:26am
Azeraph

Generally speaking one gets conservative as one gets older.
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April 4, 2014 10:27am
wikiriwhis business

“wiki – ever met a conspiracy theory you didnt like? ”

I don’t believe in shape shifting reptilians.

Although, th emedia is shouting from the roof tops about the fraudulent banks in NZ today.

Now, where does John K come from???
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April 4, 2014 10:28am
ShawnLH

Fear is the mind killer……
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April 4, 2014 10:32am
UglyTruth

Although, th emedia is shouting from the roof tops about the fraudulent banks in NZ today.

Former World Bank Senior Counsel Karen Hughes has a lot to say about corruption in the World Bank.

http://kahudes.net/
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April 4, 2014 10:37am
UglyTruth

Fear is the mind killer……

Denial of a real threat is stupidity.
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April 4, 2014 10:38am
Judith

@ShawnLH (1,168 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 10:32 am

Fear can also keep you alive. Fear is intrinsic to survival in many situations.
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April 4, 2014 10:40am
ShawnLH

Dididn’t get it did ya Uglynut?

Never mind….

Someone else will.
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April 4, 2014 10:40am
ShawnLH

Judith, I’ll give you a hint, it was a bait to see how many geeks are on today. Uglynut has no sense of humor.
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April 4, 2014 10:42am
stephieboy

That euthanasia is mandated under Obamacare is blatant and utter false hood spread by – well no surprises here -none other than the likes Fox News and their toadies who post here,

http://aattp.org/lying-fox-contributor-andrew-napolitano-claims-euthanasia-is-mandated-under-obamacare-video/

The contraception claim is absolutely weird and bizarre,

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03/24/fox-analyst-bizarrely-claims-obamacare-contrace/198596
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April 4, 2014 10:44am
Azeraph

UglyTruth (2,710 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 10:26 am

Good point.

The threat is being tied to a money machine called the Crown, it’s a spiggot that works for those that likes to work it. It’s not helping the peoples of these two islands but hopefully when all the money that is flowing has run it’s course then maybe we can move forward. Mind you while we are alive we are just observers of the transience of time and the ongoing evolution of ourselves. We’re all racists, it’s inherent. Genetic domination, we follow that which we are coded to follow and trust me you and i are following the code.

Why do you think they’re so much innuendo on this blog.

What gets me is that with the advent of so much knowledge available is the fact there is no enlightenment. We still follow the code. One only has to look around to see it, it’s all around us.
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April 4, 2014 10:47am
ShawnLH

Remember stephieboy that some of us Fox News toadies are very much on your side when it come to foreign policy issues and Israel.
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April 4, 2014 10:47am
Fletch

Obama took a couple of minutes out between fundraising stops (for the midterm elections this year) to talk about the latest shooting tragedy in Fort Hood before going back to fundraising again. Because, you know, nothing is more important than raising lots of money so you can keep your power.

As you know by now there has been another shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas. At this point, there are fatalities and multiple people are severely wounded. President Obama briefly left a fundraiser in Chicago to make a statement about the situation, saying “We are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”

Obama spoke from Chicago Cut steakhouse, in same room where he just met w/ about 25 DNC donors who paid up to $32,400

— Nedra Pickler (@nedrapickler) April 3, 2014

Now, he’s on his way to another DNC fundraiser. He has been raising money throughout the course of the shooting.

On Wednesday evening, President Obama was being kept up to date on the developments from the mass shooting at Fort Hood while reportedly attending fundraisers for the 2014 election cycle. According to White House spokesman Josh Earnest, Obama is in the loop while at the fundraisers.

Now in Obama motorcade heading to 2nd DNC fundraiser in Lincoln Park home w/ about 55 donors who paid up to $10K

— Nedra Pickler (@nedrapickler) April 3, 2014

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/04/02/after-making-statement-on-ft-hood-obama-heads-to-dnc-fundraiser-n1818176

Yeh, just like Benghazi, and the NSA, and the IRS targetting, he promised, “We are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”

Riiight.

I have nothing but contempt for the man.
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April 4, 2014 10:47am
ShawnLH

“What gets me is that with the advent of so much knowledge available is the fact there is no enlightenment.”

This should be good.

Define “enlightenment.”
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April 4, 2014 10:49am
Pete George

Dear Prince George,

A koha, a souvenir, something to read on the long flight to NZ.

Out of the gate, and off for a walk, went Cheery McWavy, to kiss all the babies.

Behind him the pack followed up hill and down, keen to be seen with the top dog in town.

Muffin McJoyce whispered in Cheery’s ear, attack lines, fresh jokes for the financial year.

Collins O’Lait was all cocky and strutting. But Muffin coughed hairballs, rudely interrupting:

“You better watch out for that one, Mr Cheery. Don’t let her scoff scampi at Donaldson’s Dairy!”

Terrier Hekia kept up the pace, fast going forward down all the pathways.

English Bill pricked up his nose and his ears, insisting that in conclusion under Cheery McWavy’s leadership, together with hardworking families and businesses we have steered the economy through some of the most significant challenges we’ve seen in generations, putting us on track to surplus next year.

The rest of it: Cheery McWavy – A Kiwi story for baby George
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April 4, 2014 10:49am
Judith

@ Ross12 (910 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 10:23 am

It is my experience that leftie academics tend to dislike most things american concerning politics, however, the social sciences were vastly influenced by American theorists, in particular the Chicago School, although to be fair, there were also European influences as well.

From a current perspective, yes, in the social sciences, American based theory features strongly and tends to dominate, but is also heavily critiqued by those that venture into the dark realm of questioning the motivations behind the theories. New Zealand Distinguished Professor Paul Spoonley (almost certainly a ‘leftie’) being one that appears to have been happy to question the Americanisation of academia, hence why he is ‘distinguished’, because he has done so successfully.

Without a strong alternative to the Americanisation of political theory, it is likely that the dominance with continue IMO.
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April 4, 2014 10:55am
UglyTruth

The threat is being tied to a money machine called the Crown.

Usury continuously sucks wealth out of the economy. If you don’t have real security any alternative can be infiltrated and subverted.

What gets me is that with the advent of so much knowledge available is the fact there is no enlightenment.

Knowledge and wisdom are different things.
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April 4, 2014 10:56am
EAD

@ Reid 8.22am

Thanks for the link. IMHO, Paul Craig Roberts is one of the best “big picture” geo-political thinkers in the World. A very intelligent man and obviously well connected from his time in the Reagan administration.

On a related note, Jim Rickards released his latest book “The Death of Money” yesterday. Purchased it on Kindle and read it cover to cover (can such an expression be used for a kindle??) in 24 hours – just simply a brilliant book about the ongoing currency wars as the race to debase reaches it’s end game.

Here is his interview with the Australian Finance News Magazine network yesterday:

http://www.finnewsnetwork.com.au/archives/finance_news_network76398.html
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April 4, 2014 10:57am
ShawnLH

” however, the social sciences were vastly influenced by American theorists, in particular the Chicago School”

I thought that was the Frankfurt School.
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April 4, 2014 10:58am
ShawnLH

“Knowledge and wisdom are different things.”

True. And you’ll be getting either of those….when exactly? 🙂
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April 4, 2014 11:00am
mikenmild

The Frankfurt School is a favourite target for the conspiracy minded. Its influence has been vastly overstated.
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April 4, 2014 11:01am
ShawnLH

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy Mike. The CM’s were not hiding in the background, they were very public and upfront. I disagree that it has been vastly overstated. It seems to be pretty prevalent in universities from my experience.
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April 4, 2014 11:08am
stephieboy

EAD, Paul Craig Roberts is full of this kind of woo,

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/co-founder-reagonomics-paul-craig-roberts-there-probably-more-democracy-china-there-west

He is the darling of Paranoid Conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones and Jeff Rense who take a particular like to his kind of woo. Paul Craig Roberts is also associated as a contributor to a DVD series proclaiming the imminent financial collapse of America and the Western world : The Fall of America and the Western World. Other contributors include the weird like David Icke and Joseph Farah and , of course, Alex Jones,the Prince of Paranoia,

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Fall_of_America_and_the_Western_World
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April 4, 2014 11:08am
Judith

@ ShawnLH (1,174 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 10:58 am

The Frankfurt school has also had influence (My European comment) however, it is my opinion that the Chicago School continued their influence for a greater period of time, and continues today to dominate as a foundation for many popular social theories.

Of course sociological theory is just about always rooted in the ‘founding fathers’ Marx, Durkheim, Weber and critical theory is based strongly on Marxist and Feminist theory. Although recently Phenomenology and Ethnomethodology have become dominated by more Positivist models, americanisation is glaringly obvious.
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April 4, 2014 11:09am
UglyTruth

And you’ll be getting either of those….when exactly?

Still butthurt after yesterday’s GD spanking, are we?

Wisdom values life. The anti-lifers are big on genocide, warmongering, neurotoxins, depleted uranium munitions, etc etc…

As well as usury the Anglican Crown has a history of religious genocide.
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April 4, 2014 11:09am
Azeraph

ShawnLH (1,176 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 10:49 am

Yeah, that made me smile. A dawning? Consensus? Letting go? One can get morbidly lost in the intricacies of that frikkin word.
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April 4, 2014 11:10am
tom hunter

… in particular the Chicago School”

Speaking of Chicago, the following graphic has to be one of the saddest I’ve ever seen about my second home: Watch Chicago’s Middle Class Disappear Before Your Eyes.

You can also see the effects of the truly wealthy – >200% of median income – as they squeeze out the poorer housing with gentrification around the Lake Shore Drive districts; little patches of red that survive as the green grows deeper around, until the red sections just simply disappear in the late 2000's.

Remember that this comes during eighty years of Democrat rule of the city – the party that's supposed to about not creating a world where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer!
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April 4, 2014 11:10am
mikenmild

Back to the genocide again Ugly. Do you have any actual evidence of this?
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April 4, 2014 11:10am
ShawnLH

“There is probably more democracy in China than there is in the west.”

Did he say this with a straight face?
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April 4, 2014 11:11am
ShawnLH

“Still butthurt after yesterday’s GD spanking, are we?”

Oh I’m pretty sure the buttspanking was definitely all to you and Reid there Uglynut.
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April 4, 2014 11:12am
ShawnLH

People like Paul Craig Roberts sometimes make me think I should ditch libertarianism. Some of my fellow travelers are not very likable people.
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April 4, 2014 11:15am
Floyd60

Yahoo reports “British Prince George’s first tour stifles Australia/NZ republicans” Interesting.

See http://nz.entertainment.yahoo.com/news/article/-/22360542/british-prince-georges-first-tour-stifles-australia-nz-republicans/
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April 4, 2014 11:16am
UglyTruth

Do you have any actual evidence of this?

Historic Breaking News from The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS) – Monday, March 31, 2014

Massive Deaths of Aboriginal Children in Canada is officially admitted, as Genocide Verdict and Kevin Annett’s work are finally vindicated –

“Canada, the Crown and the Vatican stand guilty as charged as disestablished criminal bodies” – International Common Law Court of Justice, Brussels

http://itccs.org/category/genocide-in-canada/
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April 4, 2014 11:18am
flipper

Nos…
Thanks for the update on the sisters and JR etc.
I agree that the JR might take some time to resolve and to fix a date…
On the sisters…. extraordinary. Time to get judicial ass into gear.
Bests
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April 4, 2014 11:21am
UglyTruth

Oh I’m pretty sure the buttspanking was definitely all to you and Reid there Uglynut.

Don’t you mean UglyNazi?
Are you still sticking to your “Muslim dream of death to all Jews” schtick?
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April 4, 2014 11:21am
mikenmild

You realise that the ‘International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State’ is actually a one-man blog, don’t you Ugly?
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April 4, 2014 11:22am
stephieboy

Shawn LH,

Paul Craig Roberts a straight face.?

Could be but !more likely,in common with most conspiracy theorists , mental and intellectual Constipation.!
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April 4, 2014 11:24am
ShawnLH

Beat me to it Mike. At first glance it looked very official. But it’s a one man WordPress blog.
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April 4, 2014 11:24am
UglyTruth

You realise that the ‘International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State’ is actually a one-man blog, don’t you Ugly?

Still deflecting attention from the real issue, MM?
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