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stephieboy

Try this Ryan Sproull .This will appeal.

A Message to offended Muslims,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhjvoJatKOY

In a country where it can be a crime to burn the Koran but not the Bible.

How can it get like this.?
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April 3, 2014 7:20pm
wikiriwhis business

Andrew Johnstone

When I interviewed Gareth Morgan a few months back he said that what with trusts and other tax avoidence measures, the high earners were getting away with paying very little tax, in fact the bulk of tax came from P.A.Y.E, middle and low incone earners. It is the ordinary working Kiwis who pay for interest on debt, Welfare, Health, Education and Infrastructure. One could almost conclude that the word ‘bludger’ so often bandied about the by privaleged rich (aka ACT Party) is more applicable to the wealthy who enjoy all the benefits this wonderful little country has to offer without contributing a fair share.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=798070423538352&set=a.309602365718496.87665.100000062064715&type=1&theater
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April 3, 2014 7:21pm
PhilP

@ mikenmild
PhilP
Did you read your own comment? One candidate has lived there two months and the other might consent to live on his vineyard. Is this a parody of the sorts of posts DPF makes about Labour carpetbaggers?

You might like to know that Jo Hayes has strong links to the Wairarapa through her Iwi, her Mother lives in Masterton and Jo was born in Eketahuna. But then hardly going to get a leftie to agree with my comment am I?
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April 3, 2014 7:29pm
PhilP

@ nasska,

I couldn’t agree more.
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April 3, 2014 7:32pm
wikiriwhis business

Google to Launch Digital Currency Exchange to Rival Bitcoin

In today’s video, Christopher Greene of AMTV reports on the digital currency revolution.
http://www.amtvmedia.com/re-direct-fu…
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April 3, 2014 7:33pm
nasska

The first Green Party protest. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r3hxb54x38zn5so/Protest.jpg
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April 3, 2014 7:51pm
Pete George

National down to 43 in Roy Morgan poll

Significant changes in the latest Roy Morgan poll are National down to 43 and New Zealand First up over 5% again.

National 43% (down 2.5%)
Maori Party 1.5% (down 0.5%)
ACT NZ (0.5%, unchanged)
United Future 0.5% (unchanged)

Labour Party 32% (up 0.5%)
Greens 13% (down 1%)
New Zealand First 5.5% (up 2%)
Mana Party 0.5% (up 0.5%)

Conservative Party of NZ 2.5% (up 1%)
Internet Party (0.5%, up 0.5%)
Others 0.5% (down 0.5%)

This the lowest National have been since last August-October when the bottom out at 41.

Labour are up slightly and Greens down a bit, cancelling each other out.
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April 3, 2014 7:52pm
nasska

They are now going to legalize homosexual marriages in Ireland.

Thousands of gay Irish men have announced their intention to marry their lesbian lovers.
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April 3, 2014 8:00pm
Reid

Meanwhile, the Zionists, not content to control Obama and dictate his Ukraine strategy, hold court to select the next President – Jeb Bush. Oh goody. What the world really needs is yet another Bush.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/04/01/356826/war-party-oligarch/
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April 3, 2014 8:23pm
Andrei

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJdp4Al75wE
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April 3, 2014 8:25pm
mikenmild

Again with the evil Jewish conspiracy Reid. Do you never get tired of it all?
And, especially for Andrei in case he missed it earlier:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/9901063/Tiny-Tuvalus-insult-to-Russia
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April 3, 2014 8:29pm
stephieboy

Reid, this surely is another of your conspiracy spoofs.?
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April 3, 2014 8:39pm
mikenmild

Sorry Reid, but it’s my policy now not to look at your videos. It’s enough entertainment just to read what you write.
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April 3, 2014 8:40pm
nasska

Reid

…….”ShawnLH (93 comments) says:
February 18th, 2014 at 9:32 pm

Hi Pete

Nope. You may not be aware of who I am. I was away from this blog for a long time, but I have been posting here for years. Forgot my password and so it was easier just to create a new account. But I used to post under my middle name Lee, and if you do remember I have been a paleo-libertartarian traditionalist conservative for more than 15 years years now, of which Anarcho-Monarchy is a variant.”…..

AND

…..’I’m only posting a lot at the moment because I’m recovering from surgery and have very little else to do.”……
Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 1″…….
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April 3, 2014 8:45pm
UglyTruth

How can it get like this.?

The religious differences go way back. In the Torah the original text spoke quiet favourably towards the descendants of Ishmael, but the vowel pointing was added, it changed the meaning of the text to make it more disparaging. Later one of the Pharisees made a negative allusion towards the descendants of Ishmael, and Christianity has certainly picked up on it. With the advent of Islam the came the classic falling out between the Muslims and the Jews, both sides blaming each other. But at the end of the day Islam and Judaism have lot of common ground, with Christianity more vulnerable to the influence of Pharasaism and Islam keeping the doctrine of mercy, although many followers seem to have missed the point here.
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April 3, 2014 8:50pm
stephieboy

Flight 370 captured by the US Navy,

False.!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/malaysiacapture.asp
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April 3, 2014 8:50pm
mikenmild

nasska
Didn’t I say it earlier? Shawn is lee01.
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April 3, 2014 8:50pm
nasska

When he left as Lee01 he’d lost the plot completely Mike. His comments had become a trainwreck in slo-mo so I didn’t take too much notice when the new, sanitised Godologist turned up.

History may repeat. 🙂
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April 3, 2014 8:54pm
cha

Didn’t I say it earlier? Shawn is lee01.

Indeed he is miken.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/03/general_debate_24_march_2014.html#comment-1295286

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/09/general_debate_26_september_2011.html#comment-881692
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April 3, 2014 8:57pm
mikenmild

I think it became clearer when he went down the whole ‘Palestinians are not real people’ track. Can’t wait to see now whether he repeats his ‘I want to apologise to you all because my comments have been a little unchristlike’ drama.
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April 3, 2014 8:58pm
nasska

He’s like Baity…..can’t handle the pressure. 🙂
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April 3, 2014 9:03pm
Reid

Hey guess what? More zionists.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/02/secret-surveillance/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/02/western-warmongers-getting-shot-down-in-flames/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/11/20/neo-bolshevik-license-to-kill-and-destroy-the-goyim/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/02/12/how-monks-and-monasteries-saved-civilization-and-killed-usury/

etc.
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April 3, 2014 9:04pm
Judith

mikenmild (8,323 comments) says:
April 3rd, 2014 at 8:58 pm
. Can’t wait to see now whether he repeats his ‘I want to apologise to you all because my comments have been a little unchristlike’ drama.

Life must be very difficult when you have an impossible goal to try and achieve. No wonder poor shawn gets stressed. Life as a heathen is less complicated, being ‘devil like’ is much easier
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April 3, 2014 9:06pm
Reid

Life as a heathen is less complicated, being ‘devil like’ is much easier

They don’t call him the slanderer and deceiver for nothing, Judith.

What I don’t really get is if you guys really do think it’s all bollocks then why not go the whole hog and just go nuts ‘doing what thou wilt’ every single step of the way and who cares about laws, people you don’t know, or anything else? I mean it seems such a waste to miss out on all those fleshly pleasures simply because you want to be nice or whatever it is that stops you from doing it. It’s just if we’re right and you’re wrong, then what you’ve done is sent yourself to purgatory without even having all that much fun while you’re here.
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April 3, 2014 9:11pm
griffith

He keeps MM amused and out of out out lives in his professional capacity so all good /
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April 3, 2014 9:16pm
cha

Yup, Veterans Today really is a legitimate source.
/

http://blog.adl.org/tags/veterans-today
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April 3, 2014 9:19pm
Reid

Here’s an-ex Zionist, telling us what they think of us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iJ0qYBpIplY
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April 3, 2014 9:24pm
stephieboy

Inside the deep anti semitic world of You Tube including the really nasty Bother Nathaniel,

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/inside-anti-semitic-youtube-racism/

Reid ,how far to the bottom of the barrel do you like to scrape.??

Its worth noting his alleged Jewishness has been greeted with suspicion by Stomrfront and others,

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nathanael_Kapner

Which says a lot about their anti semitic prejudices .!
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April 3, 2014 9:34pm
Reid

What precisely would you expect the zionists to say in the face of such “insider” criticism, stephie?

I told you you can’t think. It’s a shame you’ve taken it on yourself to keep proving it. Your continual and unchanging approach is as pointless and uninformative as citing a link to the Warren Commission Report to refute an allegation about the JFK incident.

What you need to do is look at the content and refute what he says, if you can. For example, do Jews really decry it when others call them yids or Abes and do they really call us goyim? Yes or no? Do they really call our women shiksas and does that really come from the Hebrew word shagitz which means “unclean animal?” And when Jesse Jackson referred to NYC as Hymie Town and the entire Jewish community went into an uproar and forced him to apologise, is it really true that behind closed doors Jews call blacks “schwartzas” and “shooks?” (Remember what the Seinfeld guy said about blacks? Ring a bell?) etc etc etc.

Hope that helps, but I doubt it.
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April 3, 2014 9:46pm
stephieboy

Gordan Duff the moreorless solo man on Veterans Today and naturally anti Jewish ,whacko and loon to boot,

http://lies-of-the-truth-movement.blogspot.co.nz/2010/11/gordon-duff-another-truther-whack-loon.html

Gordon Duff believes 40% of waht he writes is false ,

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/gordon-duff-of-veterans-today-admits-to-writing-40-false-information/

Reid, and what do you call Blacks and Jews behind closed doors.??
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April 3, 2014 9:54pm
Reid

This is worth reading. Free.

http://govtslaves.info/pdf-zbigniew-brzezinski-grand-chessboard/
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April 3, 2014 9:55pm
stephieboy

Predictably your link comes up with this priceless piece of Hokum,

http://govtslaves.info/jeff-rense-wolfgang-halbig-exposing-sandy-hook/

You, of course, another Sandy Nook Truther and twoofer this and twoofer that .??

Brother Nathaniel , Duff , Resne etc sent off to FEMA Gulags.??
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April 3, 2014 10:04pm
RichardX

Too busy to visit the asylum and I miss the fun

Reid (15,299 comments) says:
April 3rd, 2014 at 12:59 pm
dime, the idiot sat in a classroom reading a book upside down. That’s all he was required to do. Cheney meanwhile was in the WH Bunker directing the operation. Think Cheney is an idiot?

Reid (15,305 comments) says:
February 17th, 2014 at 11:14 am
This is why you only have to mention say, 911 and immediately the poor victims hallucinate that you have said the US govt did it, no matter what aspect you were actually talking about.

The VP directed the operation from the White House but it was nothing to do with the government?
So all these hallucinations people have been having about your statements are because high ranking members of the government, working with other members of the government and using some government resources were involved, including directing the operation, but the US govt did not do it. That certainly has clarified the whole thing. Will you be using Ugly’s logic in his 1.08 comment?
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April 3, 2014 10:06pm
RichardX

Reid (15,309 comments) says:
April 3rd, 2014 at 3:44 pm
Ugly, don’t you think Reid was lying when he said Iran doesn’t persecute religious minorities?
No I don’t lie mm, I didn’t think Iran did persecute Christians, but from looking at google, it appears they do, so I was mistaken, it appears they are

A baseless assertion made without evidence that turns out to be incorrect is because you made a mistake and not because you told a lie. Interesting logic. Perhaps there are other comments you have made to which this could be applied?

Reid (15,309 comments) says:
April 3rd, 2014 at 3:56 pm
Does Iran persecute religious minorities, Reid?
Apparently, mm. Does Israel persecute Palestinians? Or is that just self-defence? Which does more of it – Iran or Israel?

Your deflection skills are slipping

Just so Shawn doesn’t fell left out, were you lying when you stated atheists believe there is no god or were you just mistaken?
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April 3, 2014 10:08pm
Reid

Gordan Duff the moreorless solo man on Veterans Today and naturally anti Jewish ,whacko and loon to boot,

To be perfectly honest stephie, I don’t normally cite VT for those reasons, but I’m Lee will read this tom morning and get all enraged again. And I note that once again, you didn’t make a single attempt at critiquing whatever it was that I posted.

Reid, and what do you call Blacks and Jews behind closed doors.??

I don’t call blacks anything behind closed doors stephie because we have Maori in this country and they don’t respond well to being called blacks. But when I do talk about them I normally don’t call them anything since I’m normally discussing their attributes and it’s normally along the lines of how would we feel if in the late 1800’s we had had all our street signs in Chinese and we were forced to learn Mandarin at school? Why do you ask?

When I talk about Jews behind closed doors I normally discuss examples that illustrate how disgraceful and appalling are their leaders and why don’t the idiot Jewish people wake up to what their leaders are doing to them, since apparently they’re supposed to be quite bright but they’re not displaying anything of their famous intelligence in any way and times running out for them to make the right decisions and it will be so sad when their leaders evil plans come to fruition for they themselves, the Jewish people, will suffer terribly not to mention they’ll take down most of the ME and probably the US as well, and that could have all been avoided if they’d only awoken to the evil in their midst. Again, why do you ask?

Predictably your link comes up with this priceless piece of Hokum,

stephie you moron your stupidity shows no bounds. I posted the link to a free book that contains some very good information that anyone whose interested in geopolitics will be interested in, if they haven’t already read it, which I have. The site it’s on has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with it since you can download the damn thing to your hard drive and read it at your leisure without reading a word on the site if you don’t want to. I would have put that last sentence in caps if I thought it would help, but you’re so profoundly dim that I fear nothing will, ever.
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April 3, 2014 10:08pm
freemark

I’ve figured it out. Ugly is (Hue)Ross69 (or his friend).
But my contribution to the 9/11 fire debate (and I’m a man of steel):
Why do you think that a structure like SkyTower (predominantly concrete, and with very little flammable material) has intumescent coatings on the beams & columns at high level?
I have a big brazier (firebowl) that even when lightly loaded with wood will melt aluminium, glass, what have you. After a reasonable burn (& party) it will retain red hot coals under the ash for up to 48 hours.
How many tonnes of paper, wood, hydrocarbon based fabrics & paints etc etc do you think were in those Towers, with masses of oxygen, JetA1 etc?
What a great place the world (& NZ, & KB) would be without conspiracy nuts, Jew haters, envious losers & other Socialists.
FFS
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April 3, 2014 10:12pm
stephieboy

Zbigniew Brzezinski was a National Security Advisor under a one term failed President Carter with a prescription on International and geo politics that does not represent a relationship to current reality i.e US actions in the Middle east over the last several years.!
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April 3, 2014 10:27pm
Reid

How many tonnes of paper, wood, hydrocarbon based fabrics & paints etc etc do you think were in those Towers, with masses of oxygen, JetA1 etc?

Why don’t you leave your brazier under a large I girder for a long time at full bore and see what happens, freemark? I suspect what you’ll find is that the heat will dissipate along the beam, as steel subject to heat is wont to do.

If you’re really interested, why don’t you look at what real engineers have calculated using the actual architecture, rather than using your bar-b-que to hallucinate you know what the answer might be?

Hint: open your mind to the possibility you don’t already know the answer, and you might get somewhere. If you don’t do that first then you might as well join the police and investigate whether or not Arthur Thomas really did it.

Zbigniew Brzezinski was a National Security Advisor

stephie your ignorance is appalling. Brzezhinsky has been a major player for decades just like Kissinger has been. He was Obama’s senior foreign policy advisor during his last campaign for example, and Libya, Egypt, Syria and Ukraine have his fingerprints all over them. That’s an old book but it lays out his thinking and ALL serious geopolitical students need to be aware of what he says. The fact you’ve clearly never heard of him means I know where to classify you in those rankings, along with the housewives and 20-somethings who watch Shortland Street, apparently.
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April 3, 2014 10:36pm
freemark

Reid, you fuckwit. I know exactly what happens to UB’s, UC’s, UBP’s even..with all sorts of heat applied from all sorts of sources. You obviously don’t, and just sheepishly & gullibly regurgitate inane posts from inane idiots on inane websites with a common mental theme that all eventually boils down to the “Jihadists are the nice guys” and “Osama is innocent” and “I hate Corporations” and “I’ve been repressed” and “I care more than you” and “I’m a fuckup, it’s someone else’s fault” meme.
Get fucking real, get a life, make good things happen.
FFS
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April 3, 2014 11:00pm
SPC

The home base of Reids 3.46pm video (an hour I will not get back).

It’s origin is

http://www.truthtellers.org/

Ted Pike’s “National Prayer Network” in Oregon.

Ted Pike thinks “the” Jewish attempt to rule the world is the “harlot” on the beast of Revelation prophecy and I so I guess does reid, thought they both alternate the word Zionist.

A pithy note here

http://archive.adl.org/learn/ext_us/pike/default.html
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April 4, 2014 1:46am
ShawnLH

“When he left as Lee01 he’d lost the plot completely Mike. His comments had become a trainwreck in slo-mo so”

Translation:

Naaska hates all Christians so depicts all Christians according to his fantasies.

I stopped posting at the time because I became tired of the constant childish abuse, often by people such as yourself.

“‘I want to apologise to you all because my comments have been a little unchristlike’ ”

And apologizing when things get out of hand is bad because? At least I’m adult enough to admit when I’m wrong. Shame some of the rest of you cannot. But then many of the “atheists” here show all the maturity of a sociopathic 12 year old.

” I didn’t take too much notice when the new, sanitised ”

Sanitized? My views have hardly changed at all. The difference is that unlike you I have grown up a little more, while your still stuck in your adolescent angry atheist phase. What is it about me that is “sanitized” Naaska, except in your own fantasies?
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April 4, 2014 1:58am
ShawnLH

Ryan,

“Shawn, it is immature and unworthy of you to paint anyone who disagrees with you as a Nazi.”

I was speaking specifically about Ugly and Reid. And as you can see by the web sites and opinions Reid links to, he is a Nazi.
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April 4, 2014 2:08am
Manolo

Hope and change: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/03/hundreds-cases-potential-voter-fraud-uncovered-in-north-carolina/

State elections officials in North Carolina are investigating hundreds of cases of potential voter fraud after identifying thousands of registered voters with personal information matching those of voters who voted in other states in 2012.
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April 4, 2014 7:29am
mikenmild

Ah, the old voter fraud canard. Wake me up when there are any actual prosecutions.
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April 4, 2014 7:47am
ste3e

Given National are intent on turning NZ into one big dairy farm, has anybody considered the fallout from research that links dairy and animal based protein to cancer, obesity, heart disease and auto-immune diseases? What if China in the future in response to a seeming trend to acknowledge the research (eat 10 fruit a day) and a growing problem of affluent diet based diseases decrees against protein and milk, our basket of gold will become dust, polluted dust.

Still I guess there is little probability of research impacting behavior or policy regardless of its truth or obviousness; just look at the environment and us handing out more opportunity to deep sea drill it.
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