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jp_1983

So who went to hear David Parker say how he will be the ‘saviour’ of New Zealand this morning?
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April 29, 2014 8:05am
duggledog

David Cunliffe basically admits on National Radio that Labour will f*** with the exchange rate forcing prices up I quote ‘Hey you might have to pay more for your LCD TV but the prices are coming down anyway’. Yeah what about petrol?

Poor people will get f***ed again by Labour. Why anyone earning the average wage would vote for these clowns is beyond me
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April 29, 2014 8:07am
dirty harry

Donald Sterling eh…funny as..
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April 29, 2014 8:07am
Scott Chris

What it takes to be a Real Conservative:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9986758/Marry-him-or-dump-him-church
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April 29, 2014 8:14am
Tauhei Notts

Sir Robert Jones writes so beautifully in this morning’s New Zealand Herald.
It reminds me of one of the key planks of the N.Z. Party thirty years ago; we don’t need the military! And, over the past 30 years, where have we needed the military.
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April 29, 2014 8:15am
redqueen

Yet more entertainment from the Herald…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11245846

So ‘critics’ can remain anonymous, but say ‘the system isn’t working’? Did anyone bother to think that the Arms Act specifically, and intentionally, replaced registering firearms with licensing firearms users. Given how little gun crime we actually have in NZ, it’s pretty impressive (particularlly with our reasonably liberal firearms laws). This is just ‘shock, horror’ nonsense, but it’s propogated as front-page news by the Herald…

Seriously, what alternative do they have, other than the perpetual socialist cry of ‘let’s just have another register’? Forget the compliance costs, whether it will actually hinder crime, whether it will help the police. No, let’s just complain about the system working as designed…
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April 29, 2014 8:17am
dirty harry

Had an argument with a tool from Z fuel yesterday , asked him why the price of fuel never comes down , apart from spluttering and repeating the company jargon over and over, he reckoned they only make 4 cents net per litre.

Bollocks..91 is 2.17 a litre , take out all the govt taxes ( approx half ) and you’re trying to tell me you still only net 4c a litre.

Liar…
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April 29, 2014 8:20am
Left Right and Centre

Truck driver shortage according to Auckland Chamber of Commerce.

Answer: Immigration !! Any excuse to add to the Star Wars diversity of Auckland . . . COOL !!!!!!!!!

Just what you want – more road users who don’t speak a word of fucking English and drive as badly as they look.
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April 29, 2014 8:26am
Manolo

An animal and a thug: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9986637/Prisoner-wants-his-very-special-car-back
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April 29, 2014 8:29am
igm

Parker reforming the economy via Reserve Bank is another act of desperation in an attempt to gain traction, being full of flaws. This goon could not run a small enterprise efficiently, went to the wall. His only success is wooing a stroke ridden friend’s wife . . . another left-wing losers!
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April 29, 2014 8:30am
J Bloggs

redqueen: I don’t think you need another register. How about all firearms dealers submit a monthly list of purchasers licence numbers (and maybe number of firearms purchased in the transaction) to the police, who can then put it in a database. If a given licence number comes up more than a certian number of times a year, then it gets flagged for closer police investigation.

The Firearms dealers are required to get that information anyway, all that needs to be done is to forward it on to the police.
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April 29, 2014 8:32am
Paulus

Just heard Parker on Morning Report.
Am staggered to hear that he really doesn’t have clue how to take New Zealand forward.
He could not properly answer Guyon Espiner’ friendly questions.
What a fiasco.
He is a classic mumbler who does not know what he is talking about – other than we are going to stuff you all for our socialist programme.
And with our Greenpeace partners we will save the snails.
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April 29, 2014 8:36am
EAD

Mongrel Mob killer of a young Polynesian farther to be immortalised in photo exhibition:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11245880

So let me get this straight:

Maori murderer made a martyr? Thats fine.

Police publish the ethnicity of a cold-blooded murder to help identify them? Thats racist.

Maori Political Party? How noble, deserve a spot in the Government, instructed to re-write the constitution.

Spoof Pakeha Party set up? Racist, fascist, full of hatred.

Maori person proud of their race? Perfectly fine.

White person proud of their race? Hate crime call the race police immediately.

Maori person complaining that Maori people should be given preferential treatment for jobs because their ancestors got here first? Yes thats OK.

Pakeha/Asian person stating that all people should be judged on their abilities and not skin colour? No no that’s a hate crime how dare you!

As you can see the racist system we now live under is deeply unfair and divisive and morally repulsive and breeds hatred with every new law and diktat and special treatment. Instead of a colour blind country we now have the opposite and one where white people are being set up as the targets of hate. We now suffer under a system that is creating the conditions for civil strife and unrest leading to a tragedy, its time we put a stop to this madness.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11244832
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April 29, 2014 8:39am
dirty harry

Ryan Tandy dead…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/9986790/Ryan-Tandys-sad-end-to-a-troubled-career
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April 29, 2014 8:40am
redqueen

@ J Bloggs

And the private sellers? What about ancillary equipment? You won’t, realistically, be able to police this without significantly more resources and, even then, it simply may be impossible. So what you’ll end up with is the same doosh going around buy private firearms, with even less rules than at gun stores, and the Police won’t be able to stop it. Seriously, one twat and the MSM’s declared the system is flawed. It’s just there is no real practical alternative (without dramatic compliance costs and, even then, limited potential reduction in such cases).
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April 29, 2014 8:44am
kowtow

redqueen

The question the Herald did not pose was ,How did the crook have a firearms licence in the first place?Seems like a pretty heavy duty crook,what with the firearms and drugs charges.

Police need to look at their own systems to see how they are failing the public and indeed their own members who may have to face weapons sourced by that guy.

Resources…….yep they’re out there heavily policing the 4 kph and “domestic ” abuse cases but this guy can run a gun industry under their noses.
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April 29, 2014 8:46am
prosper

If the fuel station is franchised they get 4cents a litre. Z, Caltex Franchisors get the rest of the mark up.
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April 29, 2014 8:49am
redqueen

@ kowtow

Exactly. This article simply took the view that the lack of registration was the problem. There are potential issues with people misusing the system, but that is something the licensing system is supposed to prevent (rather than detect/correct). But it’s easier for journos, I guess, to be sensationalist and propose yet more paperwork.
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April 29, 2014 8:52am
kowtow

Britain,source of our ancient freedoms ,has become a police state, in the cause of human rights!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614834/Arrested-quoting-Winston-Churchill-European-election-candidate-accused-religious-racial-harassment-repeats-wartime-prime-ministers-words-Islam-campaign-speech.html
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April 29, 2014 8:52am
Alan

Labours VSR policy is a farce.

I’m sorry, but even I can’t vote for Labour now.

I’m stunned at how bad this is.
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April 29, 2014 8:54am
J Bloggs

redqueen: Every system has flaws that can be exploited. Yes, if you go and buy all your weapons off private sellers, you’ll get around it. But that happens now anyway. What I suggested would have caught out this particular offender (and maybe others) earlier. It’s not THE answer, but it patches a hole, and it’s a relatively easy one to implement.
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April 29, 2014 8:57am
J Bloggs

kowotw: He’s a crook, NOW. There is nothing in that article to suggest that he had a criminal record at the time he obtained the firearms license, or even when he purchased the weapons.
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April 29, 2014 9:00am
Reid

we don’t need the military! And, over the past 30 years, where have we needed the military.

The military is there in case. Because when it hits the fan nothing can replace it. Just because the public or the media don’t see threats does not mean threats don’t exist. Just because politicians pretend threats don’t exist does not mean threats don’t exist.

The military depends on institutional knowledge. When we lost the fighters for example we didn’t lose the current generation of planes, we lost all the institutional knowledge gained since WWI in operating strike aircraft in combat. From strategy to tactics to mission planning to ground servicing to avionics to weapons maintenance, we lost thousands of myriad trades and services that contributed to delivering the hardware over the target when, where and as needed, time after time after time until mission accomplished; we lost all of that. We also lost the ability to train our ground forces and our navy in coordinating their operations with air-strike forces and now the safety of our ground forces is totally dependant on our allies, who may or may or not come through, time after time after time.

That’s just one example of what we lost. When you see the troops out in Waiouru on route marches etc; they’re not doing it for fun, they’re rehearsing. That’s what the military does, it rehearses and rehearses and rehearses so that when real combat occurs everything is muscle memory and the machine reacts as per training. If you don’t continue that practice then you lose all the institutional knowledge because everyone of age goes and joins allied forces so they cannot then be recalled and join together and operate as a cohesive unit like a single organism in case of threat to NZ, because for years they’ve been operating separately and it would take years to reconstitute them. And if you send an army of separate uncoordinated units into combat you’re going to lose them straight away.

When Hitler failed to encircle the BEF at Dunkirk, he lost the war. Why? Because he failed to capture not the privates but the sergeants, the lieutenants, the captains, majors, colonels and most critically, the generals. The UK lost all their equipment. When they did the commando raid on the Bruneval radar station in 1942, the commandos were issued with all 12 tommy guns in Britain at the time and part of their orders were to bring them all back, that’s how bereft of equipment they were. But they were nevertheless able to rebuild themselves only because they had retained all the institutional knowledge. That illustrates how mission-critical it is to maintain it. That’s why we need to maintain armed forces during peacetime.
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April 29, 2014 9:01am
martinh

Just read that Labours new policy requires the govt to use the tool, not the rbnz.
Seems a fatal flaw in it to me
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April 29, 2014 9:01am
Ross12

Alan — Have you read about Labour’s way of getting more housing land ? It should put you off even more.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/04/labours-assault-private-property/
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April 29, 2014 9:07am
J Bloggs

Reid: EXACTLY!!!!!!! And unfortunately, that’s why we are not going to see a return of the RNZAF’s combat wing until the government gets a thundering great kick up the arse – it’s not just the cost of new aircraft, its the cost of regaining all that knowledge that makes the replacement prohibitive to the government.

The military is an insurance policy. And the removal of the strike wing seriously reduced our cover
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April 29, 2014 9:08am
martinh

Listening to Parker on natradio, Kathryn Ryans knows her stuff
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April 29, 2014 9:14am
RRM

Been releasing more poisonous gas than a Nazi this morning. Glad I don’t have to go to any meetings today… 🙁
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April 29, 2014 9:20am
Reid

the removal of the strike wing seriously reduced our cover

One of the reasons why I’ve always said Hulun is a traitor to the country JB. She knew exactly what we were losing, that’s why she did it. I remember when it was happening. The only two people writing letters to the Herald pointing all this out were a guy called Raymond Ching and myself. All the rest of the letters on this topic were referring to Tauhei and Jones’ perspective. The public don’t get it. I can’t recall one journalist who got it but I may be wrong.

What’s annoying is that what I said isn’t rocket science, it’s obvious. And why the heck are people living in some deluded fantasy land whereby they hallucinate conflict is a thing of the past, when the 20th century was the most bloody century in history and so far this one is shaping up to be even worse? Don’t they know anything? Are they such profound morons that they’re incapable of telling the difference between historical facts and a fiction they have invented in their own heads because that’s what they want to believe so they only read facts that fit their fantasy? Apparently, they are.
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April 29, 2014 9:21am
Keeping Stock

We had a religious experience on Sunday in Adelaide; of the AFL variety. Those folk know how to support their team.

And the new-look Adelaide Oval is a sensational modern stadium. There were 47,007 punters at the match, and even though Geelong lost, our group had a fantastic day out.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/a-religious-experience.html?m=0
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April 29, 2014 9:24am
Manolo

Some measures to control the Reserve Bank have been announced this morning by the moron David Parker, which would lead to a big hike in inflation and overall cost of living. Ah, the socialist imbeciles!
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April 29, 2014 9:28am
RRM

J Bloggs – the A-4s of the “combat wing of the RNZAF” as it was, would have merely provided a fun turkey shooting opportunity, to any enemy powerful enough to land an invasion force in New Zealand.

Even if we had bought the F-16s, we would never have had the balls OR the oppportunity to make use of them like Israel has with theirs.

The Texan IIs are a far more sensible acquisition than a token jet fighter force would have been – turbine trainers that can also drop hardware on fuckers with guns in the jungle if needed.
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April 29, 2014 9:29am
Don the Kiwi

RRM.

What’s a Texan 11 ?
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April 29, 2014 9:32am
hj

Bob Jones: “we don’t need a military”- just let people come in. Keep property prices high and wages low.
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April 29, 2014 9:32am
dime

“A Labour-led government will require the Reserve Bank to use changes to the rate of people’s compulsory KiwiSaver contributions rather than interest rates to control inflation while taking pressure off the over-valued kiwi dollar.”

Dime asked this question the other day.

Can someone tell me why this wont work? Im sure it wont but not sure why. Its been many moons since my last economics class!
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April 29, 2014 9:34am
Duxton

150th anniversary of the battle of Gate Pa today….

Hopefully we won’t see James Belich’s ridiculous interpretation of the battle held up as being definitive – although I wouldn’t hold my breath.
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April 29, 2014 9:35am
J Bloggs

Reid: There is an unfortunate number of people in NZ who have never experienced any of the world outside of our little isolated bubble at the bottom of the globe. These people don’t realise they are living in a fool’s paradise, and so get all swept up in the rhetoric (despite turning out for ANZAC day every year).

An example: I know of one primary school teacher who had grown up in an Auckland suburb. They went to the local primary, the local intermediate, and the local high school. They trained at Auckland teachers college, then went straight to teaching back at the same local primary school they’d attended as a child. What does this person know about the world, other than what they’ve absorbed through the media?
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April 29, 2014 9:36am
UglyTruth

Keeping an air force would be rational if New Zealand was a sovereign nation. It isn’t. The NZ state is part of five eyes, the security arrangement involving US, UK, Canada, Australia, and NZ. This arrangement serves the interests of an empire which operates like a psychotic gangster hell-bent on extending it’s sphere of influence without regard for the death and suffering it causes in the process.
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April 29, 2014 9:38am
J Bloggs

RRM: Of course the A-4’s were obsolete. But even if they’d been ditched, and the F-16’s not taken up, even then, if they’d kept the Aermacchi’s operational, they would have kept that institutional knowledge base (both in the RNZAF, and in joint ops with the army and navy) active as a cadre that could have been built upon at a later date.

But it’s too late now, the base has gone, and it won’t be cheap or easy to get back
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April 29, 2014 9:41am
Brian Smaller

Mongrel Mob killer of a young Polynesian farther to be immortalised in photo exhibition:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11245880

Young Polynesian father etc etc etc…who should have chosen his friends with more care. He hung out with gang members and got killed,. No sympathy for him or his family.
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April 29, 2014 9:43am
martinh

Dime
Inflation can be caused by external prices, so increasing saving rates wont decrease that inflation
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April 29, 2014 9:46am
EAD

@ Reid 9.21

You and I are in agreement that we are living in a very unique time in history when the 43 years of debt insanities will morph into a series of death insanities. As soon as the first dollar was conjured up out of thin air and lent at interest, the die was cast. Exponential growth for monetary systems don’t tend to last too long!

Have you read Neill Strauss’s book “4th turning” which is about how major societal change happens approx every 80 years – well worth a read. Unfortunately we’ll get the usual suspects come along and shout “conspiracy theorists” as if by shouting loud they can drown out the laws of mathematics and physics and human history which despite repeating itself over and over again, there will always be people who will never believe simply because they cannot see things in a dynamic structure. They can only see the world in a linear fashion.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-28/crash-inevitable-spiral-vortex-debt-and-corruption
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April 29, 2014 9:48am
ShawnLH

The sad irony is that Labour’s monetary policy will hurt the poor and working class the most, as they can least afford to cope with price rises caused by inflation.

The economy is already growing, manufacturing is growing, so there is no need for Labour’s monetary foolishness.
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April 29, 2014 9:48am
Weihana

EAD (332 comments) says:
April 29th, 2014 at 8:39 am

As you can see the racist system we now live under is deeply unfair and divisive and morally repulsive and breeds hatred with every new law and diktat and special treatment. Instead of a colour blind country we now have the opposite and one where white people are being set up as the targets of hate. We now suffer under a system that is creating the conditions for civil strife and unrest leading to a tragedy, its time we put a stop to this madness.

“Black racism is the biggest problem facing the world” – Peter Griffin

🙂
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April 29, 2014 9:49am
kowtow

J Bloggs

Nope ,I know that. But he’ll have been dodgy at the very least.
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April 29, 2014 9:53am
Reid

This arrangement serves the interests of an empire which operates like a psychotic gangster

UT as you know I both perceive and agree with this perspective. My view however is that there are many people within the military command and intelligence structures of all five nations who also know what we know and they act as the most powerful moderating force that we have available. It’s better to be inside the tent, in other words.

Some of them have been fired in recent years for these views and as you know, the reason why they’re issuing APCs to local law enforcement agencies is because they can’t trust the military to fire on their own people. When the false flags fall again and martial law ensues, a lot of the military are going to remember the part of their oath about the domestic enemies and react accordingly.

It’s not going to work of course, that’s been predicted. But I’d rather go down fighting than meekly walk to the chambers, when the day comes when we’re all presented with one or other of those two choices and there is no third.

Have you read Neill Strauss’s book “4th turning” which is about how major societal change happens approx every 80 years – well worth a read.

Yes I have EAD, it’s a very interesting observation isn’t it. Two of my brothers are in the hero generation. I’m a gypsy.
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April 29, 2014 9:59am
Weihana

EAD (333 comments) says:
April 29th, 2014 at 9:48 am

Exponential growth for monetary systems don’t tend to last too long!

Why not? If the economy grows at an exponential rate then the money supply should also grow at an exponential rate otherwise you get deflation.
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April 29, 2014 10:01am
UglyTruth

From the Onion:

U.S. Flag Recalled After Causing 143 Million Deaths

WASHINGTON—Citing a series of fatal malfunctions dating back to 1777, flag manufacturer Annin & Company announced Monday that it would be recalling all makes and models of its popular American flag from both foreign and domestic markets.
Representatives from the nation’s leading flag producer claimed that as many as 143 million deaths in the past two centuries can be attributed directly to the faulty U.S. models, which have been utilized extensively since the 18th century in sectors as diverse as government, the military, and public education.
“It has come to our attention that, due to the inherent risks and hazards it poses, the American flag is simply unfit for general use,” said Annin & Company president Ronald Burman, who confirmed that the number of flag-related deaths had noticeably spiked since 2003. “I would like to strongly urge all U.S. citizens: If you have an American flag hanging in your home or place of business, please discontinue using it immediately.”

http://www.theonion.com/articles/us-flag-recalled-after-causing-143-million-deaths,17248/
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April 29, 2014 10:03am
stephieboy

Reid , it could be argued that the miracle of Dunkirk was a turning but the real turning point came with Hitler ‘s decision to stage and fight a two front war with the invasion of Russa and the declaration of War against the US with the bombing of Pearl Harbour.
BTW after the initial Nazi onslaught the Russians, like Dunkirk, lost hugely in terms of commissioned officers, soldiers as well as military equipment etc,etc.
Strike arm .? Given the enourmas outlay Australia has expended on it’s new strike arm , $12 billion, how do you propse we fund ours.? Where will the say $ 3 billion come from exactly.? The facts are modern day stile arms are prohibitively expensive.to acquire and maintain.
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April 29, 2014 10:09am
Reid

Why not? If the economy grows at an exponential rate then the money supply should also grow at an exponential rate otherwise you get deflation.

Short answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlODOk_iyXg

Longer more detailed explanation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0
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April 29, 2014 10:10am
mister nui

Anybody else having problems with Telecon’s Auckland 3G network? We are across multiple devices. Keeps dropping the connection and can only be restored by a reboot.
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April 29, 2014 10:11am
Lucia Maria

Catholic Religious Education teacher stabbed to death in front of her class in Britain

A 15-year-old boy was being questioned by police today after allegedly stabbing his ‘caring and kind’ teacher Ann Maguire to death in front of her pupils.

The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was held after Mrs Maguire was repeatedly stabbed in the neck in front of a class of teenagers at the Corpus Christie Catholic College school in Leeds.
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April 29, 2014 10:12am
stephieboy

UT, so the US was responsible for the military and war casualties and deaths in WWI and IIi. .?
The toll in both wars would approach 143 million I would think.
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April 29, 2014 10:13am
NoCash

@Dime

In a short term controlling the compulsory saving rate via KiwiSaver would work to a degree. However, not everyone puts all savings into KiwiSaver and any increases could be offset by people who also have savings and investments outside of KiwiSaver.

I would hazard a guess that people who would be greatly affected by the KiwiSaver rate would be the ones already with the least discretionary spending power, hence have less influence on price inflation from a demand side perspective.

Using interest rates is the most neutral method to encourage saving and discourage borrowing and vice versa, and in turn to control the money supply.

Relying on KiwiSaver rate will also mean more work for accountants and would have far less effect on non-salary earners.
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April 29, 2014 10:17am
ShawnLH

Stephie,

“UT, so the US was responsible for the military and war casualties and deaths in WWI and II”

I don’t think UT realises that the Onion is a satire web site. The again, his track record in discerning fantasy from reality is not particularly good.
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April 29, 2014 10:19am
lilman

So sorry but as the debate on fuel goes its 3 cents a litre and 4 depending on the payment schedule that is agreed between the owner or lessee of the station.
Most are 4 cents,but a few are 3 with a smaller share of the Net profit from shop and other product sales going to the oil company or franchise owners.
Hope that helps.
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April 29, 2014 10:27am
dime

“Using interest rates is the most neutral method to encourage saving and discourage borrowing and vice versa, and in turn to control the money supply.”

cheers for your response.

the issue i have is where we are at now. the mortgages people have are insane. the amount of money the banks get through a rate rise is bullshit. its too much money leaving the economy. theres gotta be another way.

but you raise a good point – it will effect the poor the most. thats the fuckers justification for cutting their tax even more ( or upping the hand outs) and yanking my tax. assholes.
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April 29, 2014 10:35am
minus

Testing legal highs on animals to determine safety.
Seems that is what they have been doing, since July last year.
“Vomiting blood” and “… it lasted for two months and he was still seeing and hearing things that weren’t there”
indicate some definite problems, but it is a pity no one has kept any usable data.
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April 29, 2014 10:43am
UglyTruth

My view however is that there are many people within the military command and intelligence structures of all five nations who also know what we know and they act as the most powerful moderating force that we have available.

There’s a meme from the anti-masonic movement in which the colours black and blue symbolise the power structure of the masons. At the top are the black degrees of freemasonry, in which the members are cognizant of their evil purpose, and below are the blue degrees, in which the members intend to serve the public good but are actually under the power of those who serve evil.

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
Matthew 6:24

The empire is nothing without the military and it’s hierarchy.

It’s better to be inside the tent, in other words.

Interesting choice of phrase. Several popular artists from the music industry refer to rain as an allusion to the riches which come with selling out to the machine. In contrast, rain in due season was one of the blessings of the Mosaic covenant.
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April 29, 2014 10:45am
Manolo

Utter nonsense from a socialist moron: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8836652/labours-monetary-policy-snake-oil

The plan would be to raise the current three per cent KiwiSaver rate by 0.5 per cent a year to nine per cent, although that would depend on wages increasing so people weren’t any worse off.

Mr Parker says that for someone on $50,000 a year, a 0.5 per cent increase would be $250 a year.

“They would keep the money in their retirement savings, instead of paying it to a foreign bank in higher interest rates,” he told reporters after announcing the policy in Auckland. “At the moment mortgage holders bear all the pain, wealthy people don’t.”

Mr Parker says increased savings would bring down the exchange rate, which is hurting exporters because their products cost more on international markets.

“Our currency is falsely high, interest rates are going up, mortgages are going up – the current system is wrong,” he said.
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April 29, 2014 10:45am
kowtow

Minus hahaha.

The Campbell show last night confirmed the users are all ferals.
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April 29, 2014 10:47am
WineOh

Regarding fuel stations- you’re both right but doesn’t tell the full story.

A fuel retailer or service station operator’s income is derived from multiple sources-
1. A differential between the gross sale price received and the price charged for the fuel by the distributor
2. Site allowances for additional rebates, rent rebates or “cents per litre” determined based on how viable an individual site is
3. Retail revenue for shop sales

Out of the price you pay at the pump, it’s true the _retailer_ may only receive $0.04-$0.07 per litre. But its actually worse than this, as a significant portion of sales are made by credit card rather than EFTPOS and cash. These will cost somewhere between 1.0%-1.5% of the gross ticket sale. Say 1.25% of $2.17 per litre = $0.027 per litre – so half of the retailers chunk is swallowed up by the credit card company right away. Obviously this gets worse for the retailer as prices increase, as the revenue they receive stays the same if they ump the same number of litres, but the cost of service goes up.

If a site is marginal based on the volumes they pump but important for an access perspective, the wholesaler will allocate a higher portion of the fuel take back to the retailer to make the business viable. This may take the form of additional cents per litre, a fixed dollar sum of rent rebate, additional allowances as contributions towards signage etc.

The shop sales are a very significant part of gross profit for a petrol station- the gross margin they make on a couple snacks and a coke may be more than they get from the $100 of fuel. However around 40-50% of the retail sales through a petrol station are for cigarettes, and because of high government taxes they don’t make big dollars on these. On a typical site the petrol margins cover the rent, and the shop sales cover the staff and some profit. This is why you always get asked about the overpriced snack specials at the counter.

I’m not certain how it works specifically with Z, but with other fuel outlets that I have dealt with the retailer also has almost no control of their fuel revenue- they are dictated as to what their sale price is, what they pay for it, when the fuel gets delivered etc. Depending on the supply agreement this may mean huge cashflow swings- if a retailer receives a big dump of fuel at $x, but then market prices shift down by $0.05 overnight they can end up paying customers to take fuel away from them. Of course they get double when the prices go the other way.

A significant number of petrol retailers are barely breaking even if they are not in high volume locations. These sweet spots get given to proven performers, while others in the suburban and provincial areas are “encouraged” to take on multiple sites in order to generate enough profit for the operator to live on.

The other side of the coin – where the rest of the “Z” margin goes is not quite as transparent. As an example, Z owns around 17% of Refinery NZ (New Zealand’s only oil refinery). Take away the GST and the government fuel levies/taxes and what’s left gets divided between the cost of extracting the oil, the refining costs, the distribution costs, retailer’s margin, and the wholesaler’s margin. The wholesaler holds virtually ALL the cards when negotiating with the retailer, long term supply agreements etc. I’ve seen some serious bully-boy tactics, forcing operators to buy land & buildings, pumps and tanks, in exchange for increases in retail margin – divesting the wholesaler’s risk on the site. However who really wants to own a petrol station site if it’s not viable for pumping gas? And the risks around ground seepage environmental side of things, conversion costs to turn it into something else? Just look at the number of derelict old petrol sites around the country.

Anyway, the short version is- don’t harass the petrol retailer, they aren’t the problem and work long hours for very skinny margins. It’s the wholesaler/oil company that holds the purse strings.
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April 29, 2014 10:47am
UglyTruth

I don’t think UT realises that the Onion is a satire web site. The again, his track record in discerning fantasy from reality is not particularly good.

Who is selling fantasy: Paul, when he says that all scripture is inspired, or the church when it rejects non-canonical texts?
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April 29, 2014 10:50am
kowtow

If they want to encourage savings then take the fricken tax off it.

No chance of that.
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April 29, 2014 10:50am
Manolo

The Campbell show last night confirmed the users are all ferals.

Unfortunately all those ferals and losers are bludgers living on benefits paid by our taxes.
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April 29, 2014 10:50am
Paulus

Have difficulty in the Tauranga Council giving away Ratepayers money to celebrate the Battle of Gate Pah in Tauranga.
They are immortalising the Maori who ran away after the battle, and from the obvious history once again has been distorted, This is being portrayed primarily by the young school children who have been practicing their parts for this so called celebration for weeks.
Big Dinner last night paid for by only some – the rest are part of the Council and Taxpayers gravy train.
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April 29, 2014 10:58am
Fletch

The proof is in: the absence of fathers harms the well-being of children.

The Proof Is in: Father Absence Harms Child Well-Being

Despite reams of data that NFI has compiled in six editions of Father Facts (the most comprehensive collection of data available on the consequences of father absence and the benefits of father involvement for children), the recognition among people across the political spectrum of the need to combat father absence, and the commitment of many private and public funders to addressing this problem, there are still some scholars and members of the public who are not convinced that dads are important to children. Many believe that family structure doesn’t really matter, as long as children are cared for and loved by someone, anyone. One valid reason for the skepticism among scholars, at least, is the lack of rigorous analytical methods employed in much of the research.

Late last year, researchers Sara McLanahan, Laura Tach, and Daniel Schneider stepped into the fray with their review of nearly 50 studies that employed innovative, rigorous designs to examine the causal effects of father absence. Published in the Annual Review of Sociology, “The Causal Effects of Father Absence” examined studies that focused on the relationship between father absence and four outcomes for children: educational attainment, mental health, relationship formation and stability, and labor force success. Although these studies varied in the use of analytical approaches and found different effect sizes, they prove beyond reproach that father absence causes poor outcomes for children in each of these areas.

This is a critical distinction. The old adage, “correlation does not imply causation,” does not apply to the effects of father absence on children. In other words, for many of our most intractable social ills affecting children, father absence is to blame.

Furthermore, as an anthropologist, what impressed me about the review is not only its inclusion of studies that employed a variety of analytical approaches methods; it also included studies from nine countries, mostly developed countries (including the U.S.) but also developing countries. Consequently, this cross-cultural analysis of research lends strength and credibility to the conclusion about the devastating effects of father absence. It also supports other recent research on the importance of family structure to child well being, which I wrote about in a recent post on this blog. Father absence isn’t just a U.S. problem — it’s a human problem.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-a-brown/the-proof-is-infather-abs_b_4941353.html

Studies like this should have been looked at here in New Zealand and overseas before any decision on adopting gay marriage was made; and the adopting of children by gay parents.
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April 29, 2014 11:09am
Reid

…the absence of fathers harms the well-being of children.

Which is precisely why society has been engineered the way it has.
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April 29, 2014 11:11am
Kea

Fletch, we pay women not to have fathers for their children. The benefit is not the biggest cost of that policy. That is the cheapest part.
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April 29, 2014 11:14am
ShawnLH

The constant playing of 70’s Pop/Disco elevator music in malls and supermarkets is clear proof of the existence of Satan.
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April 29, 2014 11:43am
Kea

The 70′s Pop/Disco elevator music constantly played in malls and supermarkets is clear proof of the existence of Satan.:)

ShawnLH at last presents some solid evidence for the supernatural 🙂
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April 29, 2014 11:47am
lilman

WineOH -very good post agree 100 percent.
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April 29, 2014 11:47am
Lucia Maria

Arrested for quoting Winston Churchill: European election candidate accused of religious and racial harassment after he repeats wartime prime minister’s words on Islam during campaign speech

The passage from the book, written by the wartime Prime Minister and first published in 1899, focuses on Churchill’s observations about Islam while serving during the Anglo-Egyptian reconquest of the Sudan.

Mr Weston told his audience: ‘Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

‘Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

‘No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.’

Police officers arrested Mr Weston, mid-speech, for failing to comply with their request to move on under the powers of a dispersal order made against him.

He was further arrested on suspicion of religious or racial harrassment.
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April 29, 2014 11:58am
Reid

The constant playing of 70′s Pop/Disco elevator music in malls and supermarkets is clear proof of the existence of Satan.

Funnily enough you’re inadvertently onto something there Shawn, even if you didn’t intend to be. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

But seriously, Satan was a musical specialist. http://www.turnbacktogod.com/lucifer-angel-of-music/

This possibly explains why the music industry is so infested with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZtL8K__yHg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRc6FRBxpUY

http://vigilantcitizen.com/

http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/
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April 29, 2014 12:09pm
All_on_Red

Good news. We’re not going to drown. Sea level rise is dropping to, gasp, 2mm per year. No wonder the hypocritical alarmists like Tim Flannery, Al Gore, Cate Blanchard et al are comfortable owning beachfront property.

An interesting new paper published by Nature Climate Change:
The rate of sea level rise
Anny Cazenave, Habib-Boubacar Dieng, Benoit Meyssignac, Karina von Schuckmann, Bertrand Decharme & Etienne Berthier
Abstract. Present-day sea-level rise is a major indicator of climate change. Since the early 1990s, sea level rose at a mean rate of ~3.1 mm yr−1. However, over the last decade a slowdown of this rate, of about 30%, has been recorded. It coincides with a plateau in Earth’s mean surface temperature evolution, known as the recent pause in warming. Here we present an analysis based on sea-level data from the altimetry record of the past ~20 years that separates interannual natural variability in sea level from the longer-term change probably related to anthropogenic global warming. The most prominent signature in the global mean sea level interannual variability is caused by El Niño–Southern Oscillation, through its impact on the global water cycle. We find that when correcting for interannual variability, the past decade’s slowdown of the global mean sea level disappears, leading to a similar rate of sea-level rise (of 3.3 ± 0.4 mm yr−1) during the first and second decade of the altimetry era.
http://judithcurry.com/2014/04/24/slowing-sea-level-rise/
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April 29, 2014 12:17pm
Kea

Lucy try this:

Arrested for quoting ~~Winston Churchill~~ Hitler: European election candidate accused of religious and racial harassment after he repeats wartime prime minister’s words on ~~Islam~~ Jews during campaign speech

Seems you are not really opposed to religious persecution at all. You have the identical mind set to those who persecuted gods chosen special favourite master race for so long.
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April 29, 2014 12:19pm
Kea

Good news. We’re not going to drown. Sea level rise is dropping to, gasp, 2mm per year.

I doubt it is rising that much even, but Griff will be devasted by the news 🙂
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April 29, 2014 12:21pm
dirty harry

Lydia Ko has bagged $850000 in winnings since she became pro. Why does she want more of our money?
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April 29, 2014 12:24pm
UglyTruth

all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

It turns out, the whole concept of libraries being public lending systems and being organized by card catalogs was started by the Muslims, about 200 years after Hijra, during the heights of the Abbasid and Ottoman Empires.

Books were considered extremely sacred and the Muslims took very seriously the verses in the Quran about the importance of gaining knowledge. Poetry was written about the love people had for their books.

http://mosaicofmuslimwomen.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/article-islam-and-the-very-first-public-libraries/

Meanwhile, back in Nil Ziland, public libraries also function as child care centers.
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April 29, 2014 12:24pm
All_on_Red

I thought this comment on the RSS satellite was interesting too.
“…RSS is still using the old NOAA-15 satellite which has a decaying orbit, to which they are then applying a diurnal cycle drift correction based upon a climate model, which does not quite match reality.”
The thing is falling out of the sky so are using modelling to make adjustments.

Great lot of info here about all the different types of measurements used for air and sea temps. WUWT is a brilliant resource. Three time winner of best science weblog in the world and viewed 157 million times!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/28/on-the-differences-and-similarities-between-global-surface-temperature-and-lower-troposphere-temperature-anomaly-datasets/

God explanation here about temps in the Stratosphere. They are controlled by the Sun and with low sun spot activity explains the cooling we are seeing. Nice history of research on it which goes back 100 years.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/30/a-tale-of-two-altitudes-how-stratospheric-temperature-is-de-coupled-from-the-surface-temperatures/
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April 29, 2014 12:27pm
Kea

It turns out, the whole concept of libraries being public lending systems and being organized by card catalogs was started by the Muslims, about 200 years after Hijra, during the heights of the Abbasid and Ottoman Empires.

Jared Diamond, in his book Guns germs and Steel claims modern writing first appeared in the area of modern Syria and that no other writing system developed entirely independant of it. It was the blueprint that led to a literate world.
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April 29, 2014 12:29pm
OneTrack

“Why anyone earning the average wage would vote for these clowns is beyond me”

Because Dad did?
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April 29, 2014 12:34pm
wikiriwhis business

“The constant playing of 70′s Pop/Disco elevator music in malls and supermarkets is clear proof of the existence of Satan.”

Which begs the q what will music be like in 20 years when todays half naked hip hop is played in malls as antiquated music.

The vids will even be considered old school.
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April 29, 2014 12:41pm
slijmbal

Dime said

“A Labour-led government will require the Reserve Bank to use changes to the rate of people’s compulsory KiwiSaver contributions rather than interest rates to control inflation while taking pressure off the over-valued kiwi dollar.”

Dime asked this question the other day.

Can someone tell me why this wont work? Im sure it wont but not sure why. Its been many moons since my last economics class!

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If, like me, you believe that the major driver for house price inflation is the massive increase in available credit then it will have minimal effect as the underlying driver will outweigh anything other than a major decrease in available funds, which would require a huge increase in KiwiSaver contributions.

If it then meant interest rates stayed lower then it is quite likely to exacerbate the situation further and actually cause further price house inflation.

Our $ is high because currency movements tend to overreact, most of the countries who traditionally have stronger currencies are printing money like there’s no tomorrow and as a ‘commodities based’ currency we’re seen as a safer bet. We’ve had very high interest rates in the past with a weak currency. The link between currency value and interest rates is much less strong for NZ than this policy presumes. Short of copying the ludicrous monetary policies of the like of the US we’re going to have a stronger currency.
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April 29, 2014 12:44pm
wikiriwhis business

“They are immortalising the Maori who ran away after the battle,”

Probably after being decimated by cannon and you are forgetting the medalled Maori of foreign conflict and in particular the VC Maori who just attended Anzac….. and where did you fight ????
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April 29, 2014 12:45pm
wikiriwhis business

“Short of copying the ludicrous monetary policies of the like of the US we’re going to have a stronger currency.”

This is a Federal Reserve strategy to destroy the dollar and replace it with an international currency. Dominated by the UN and US. Putin sees all this and making a stand.
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April 29, 2014 12:47pm
OneTrack

slijmbal – “Short of copying the ludicrous monetary policies of the like of the US we’re going to have a stronger currency.”

No problem. Labour’s senior coalition partner have the 1 Trillion NZ dollar note all designed and their printers are ready to go.
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April 29, 2014 12:50pm
wikiriwhis business

““I would like to strongly urge all U.S. citizens: If you have an American flag hanging in your home or place of business, please discontinue using it immediately.”

Well that’s blowing in the wind. And I hope they mean the milions of dead is because of US direct militay action illegal and otherwise. Cause a flag don’t kill no one.

What the story really means is the one world flag is almost ready to be unfurled. US military are called UN or NATO troops anyway. Never US.
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April 29, 2014 12:52pm
Jack5

Re duggledog at 8.07 on the exchange rate being doomed by any Labour Government.

It’s doomed any way, duggledog, as even the bank hypsters admit. After forty years of balance of payments deficits, the NZ dollar is propped up by inflow of loans to balance the national books and by speculation that Chinese switching to milk will bail the country out. However, prices for milk powder, on which we are so heavily dependent, are on the way down. International milk competition is on the rise, with Australia moving towards a free trade agreement with China, and EU limits on herd sizes coming off in 2015.

I reckon there will be a Labour Government from the end of this year only if the NZ dollar crashes before the election. Whoever has to wrestle with the pain from that in the next Parliamentary term is going to be unpopular for decades. Perhaps we should hope for a Labour win this year, and watch it and the Greens burn in the aftermath.
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April 29, 2014 12:52pm
Lucia Maria

Ugly,

So, where are all the Muslim libraries now?
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April 29, 2014 1:00pm
Kea

“So, where are all the Muslim libraries now?”

London ?
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April 29, 2014 1:03pm
Jack5

Re Kea at 12.29:

Jared Diamond, in his book Guns germs and Steel claims modern writing first appeared in the area of modern Syria and that no other writing system developed entirely independant of it. It was the blueprint that led to a literate world.

That was thousands of years before Islam was founded, Kea, as I’m sure you are aware.

Whether Diamond is correct by implying that writing systems such as Chinese and Ancient Egyptian, with their pictograph origins, were influenced by writing systems of the Ancient Sumerians etc, is questionable.
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April 29, 2014 1:03pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

Lucy try this:

Arrested for quoting Winston Churchill Hitler: European election candidate accused of religious and racial harassment after he repeats wartime prime minister’s words on Islam Jews during campaign speech

Except, Winston Churchill is revered in Britain, and now a wannabe politician has been arrested over there for quoting from one of this books.

Seems you are not really opposed to religious persecution at all. You have the identical mind set to those who persecuted gods chosen special favourite master race for so long.

I made no personal comment about the story.
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April 29, 2014 1:03pm
wikiriwhis business

“”Mongrel Mob killer of a young Polynesian farther to be immortalised in photo exhibition:”

What gets me is Mobsters wee fighting Mobsters, lethally.

This is good news. Current reports have the Mob and arch rivals Black Power forming CER together. This country is so small eventually business has to align to current conditions. Fortunately again, the Mob are not the sharpest tool in the shed.
They have never shared BP’s vision for progression. The mob are cavemen. Society is going to benefit from their antiquation hugely.

I do have to say even the Mob look so P C now. Hair cuts, tidy leathers, Clean T shirts and patches. Sporty and train.

Gone are the days of filthy reggies with the oil and grime. One Mobster was ridiculed for trying to return to the old style.

I think we have at least a generation free of social threat from combined gang pan alliance.
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April 29, 2014 1:04pm
Manolo

Books were considered extremely sacred and the Muslims took very seriously the verses in the Quran about the importance of gaining knowledge.

That was 500 years ago or whereabouts. You must stop living in the past and admit the vile Islam is a backward-looking, violent cult that deserves to be despised by human intelligence.
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April 29, 2014 1:07pm
Manolo

Who will believe him?
US Secretary of State John Kerry has vehemently denied ever calling Israel “an apartheid state” amid a row over comments reportedly made during a private meeting.

“I do not believe, not have I ever stated, publicly or privately that Israel is an apartheid state or that it intends to become one,” the top US diplomat said in a strong statement on Monday after calls for him to resign or at least apologise for the alleged comments on Friday to a meeting of international experts.

http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8836830/kerry-denies-apartheid-state-comment
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April 29, 2014 1:11pm
UglyTruth

You must stop living in the past and admit the vile Islam is a backward-looking, violent cult that deserves to be despised by human intelligence.

The Quran, Surah 96. Surah Al-Alaq (The Clot)

1. Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists),
2. Has created man from a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood).
3. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous,
4. Who has taught (the writing) by the pen [the first person to write was Prophet Idrees (Enoch)],
5. Has taught man that which he knew not.
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April 29, 2014 1:17pm
Kea

Whether Diamond is correct by implying that writing systems such as Chinese and Ancient Egyptian, with their pictograph origins, were influenced by writing systems of the Ancient Sumerians etc, is questionable.

Jack5, yes it is questionable. I also regard his work sceptically due to his obvious anti-European bias. He has even been caught faking work to promote that bias.

However he makes some very interesting claims in his book that do seem to stand scrutiny. Unlike the claims made in the books reference by the likes of Lucy, Katie and stupidboy.
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April 29, 2014 1:24pm
Jack5

For an alternative to the NZ Reserve Bank’s policy on currency control, look at the Swiss central bank.

So far, it seems to have done well holding down the Swiss franc, and still keeping the country’s economy growing faster than the EC’s.

No surprise to those of us who recognise the Swiss are smarter than us: their GDP per head in 2013 was USDollars 46,000 last year compared with 30,400 in NZ.
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April 29, 2014 1:24pm
Kea

Jack5, are you suggesting we be a central bank for organised crime and corrupt dictators too ?
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