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April 24, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 24 April 2014

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Tictactoe

Couldn’t help myself, but…

ShawnLH: “…must be opposed with fierceness.”

Oh my god, Shawn, you so fierce black woman who don’t need no man.
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April 24, 2014 8:22pm
Johnboy

The wife’s grandad was a trooper in the Canterbury Rifles and fought in Palestine and the Somme. He always said that the most amazing thing about war was the number of bullets that missed you. 🙂
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April 24, 2014 8:23pm
Johnboy

His best memory of war was the time he stole the Colonels Whisky. ! 🙂
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April 24, 2014 8:26pm
nasska

I wouldn’t be the best bloke to ask about that SGA. I make do with a magnifying glass & a Box Brownie. 🙂
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April 24, 2014 8:26pm
Johnboy

Evening Minus! Sad cunt as usual I see. 🙂
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April 24, 2014 8:27pm
Johnboy

Lucia used to be a Brownie nasska before she realised she had a box! 🙂
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April 24, 2014 8:28pm
SGA

What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?
Only the monstrous anger of the guns.
Only the stuttering rifles’ rapid rattle
Can patter out their hasty orisons.
No mockeries now for them; no prayers nor bells;
Nor any voice of mourning save the choirs, –
The shrill, demented choirs of wailing shells;
And bugles calling for them from sad shires.
What candles may be held to speed them all?
Not in the hands of boys but in their eyes
Shall shine the holy glimmers of goodbyes.
The pallor of girls’ brows shall be their pall;
Their flowers the tenderness of patient minds,
And each slow dusk a drawing-down of blinds.

Anthem for a doomed youth – Wilfred Owen

(sorry – I’ve always liked his work, and it seemed appropriate)
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April 24, 2014 8:30pm
mikenmild

big bruv
If we were to follow your logic, we would require separate memorials for South Africa, WWI, WWII, Korea, Malaya and Vietnam.
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April 24, 2014 8:31pm
Johnboy

Norm, Bill, David and Helen all hated those freedom fighters that went to Vietnam bb. That’s why we deny them still.

I have to admit our lot of righty wankers haven’t done much about it.

Keeping their eyes on the polls I guess! 🙂
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April 24, 2014 8:33pm
UglyTruth

Published on Apr 23, 2014
VICE News

Claims of another chemical attack on civilians emerged from Syria on Monday. Activists reported the attack in the town of Telmanes, in the province of Idlib. Doctors at the Al Seddiq Hospital said they received 200 individual cases of people affected by the strikes, many of whom were children. The reports claim that barrel bombs containing chlorine were dropped from helicopters. This is the latest in a series of chemical attacks that have reportedly taken place across the country since April 11 and are being blamed on the Syrian regime.
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April 24, 2014 8:34pm
Johnboy

We will probably need one for HOBM soon! 🙂
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April 24, 2014 8:35pm
griffith

My dads best memory is

the Sargent major regimental telling him

I know you don’t give a fuck

you know you don’t give a fuck

but for fuck sake don’t let everyone else know you don’t give a fuck

some thing to do with going awol with a jeep and two mates for a couple of days 😆

Helps if you are a private who plays full back for the regimental rugby team and is also the divisions boxing champ
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April 24, 2014 8:39pm
big bruv

mikenmild

I do realise you are in attention seeking mode today but please tell me what on earth would be wrong with a monument to each of those campaigns?

Come to think of it, you have not been paying attention have you. All around this country tomorrow will be people attending dawn services (apart from Helen Clark, she never thought it was worth getting up early on ANZAC day) most of these services will be held and WWI memorials.

Of all the conflicts we have fought in there is no doubt that the poor bastards who served in Vietnam received the worst treatment when they got home, these men and their families (and those of us who supported them) deserve a place that honours them.
It is time that we as a nation welcomed these men home properly.
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April 24, 2014 8:44pm
leftyliberal

griffith: If you’re out Awhitu Road way (nice spot), then yeah, non-existent service. There’s a (single) commuter bus from Waiuku to Papakura at 6:25 Mon-Fri in the AM and then back in the PM, but that’s pretty much it. Two hours to Britomart that way. Would be 30mins quicker to take the car to Papakura and train from there. Probably comparable to a car trip into town at the peak (will be significantly less offpeak ofc).
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April 24, 2014 8:47pm
stigie

” I tried to send my girlfriend a picture of my cock today but my phone alerted me, “Recipient may not be able to receive files this large”.
That’s a nice boost for my confidence, anyway. ”

Shit Nasska, no wonder the engagement is off at the moment !~
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April 24, 2014 8:47pm
Johnboy

Don’t forget our Vietnam vet’s went to fight in an American war bb and our dirty little leftie governments starting with Norm and culminating with Helen did there best to denigrate everything America stood for like personal freedom for example.

Our more sensible leaders of today need to tread carefully trying to turn back this national shame that pervades NZ.
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April 24, 2014 8:53pm
stigie

Evening minus ya prick/prickess
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April 24, 2014 8:56pm
big bruv

Johnboy

We should accept that there were a vocal minority (despite scum like Clark and Goff trying to rewrite history) against the war and whatever ones views on that matter they should be put aside to honour the fallen. A simple plinth would suffice, something that listed the names of the fallen. It cannot be that hard to find the money for surely?
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April 24, 2014 9:00pm
Johnboy

I’ve actually been building a DSE Geiger counter so I can help welcome the US Navy next time they’re allowed to berth in Wellington! 🙂
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April 24, 2014 9:01pm
Johnboy

The filthy socialist fuckers have poisoned a couple of generations of NZ’ers against the Yanks bb. It will take a while or a Chinese invasion to reverse the mindset! 🙂
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April 24, 2014 9:03pm
Viking2

Tauranga 1936

http://screencast.com/t/vuMABHreuXFe
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April 24, 2014 9:06pm
nasska

The Vietnam War wasn’t a popular one amongst the American people JB. The USA culture was what the youth of NZ were following & the anti war movement spread fast.

It is still a great source for shame that New Zealander’s allowed our returned servicemen to be spat at & reviled when they came home.
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April 24, 2014 9:10pm
big bruv

According to twitter Shane Jones had just called Bummer Bradbury a “political wart”

I think I am going to miss Jones.
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April 24, 2014 9:13pm
Reid

It is still a great source for shame that New Zealander’s allowed our returned servicemen to be spat at & reviled when they came home.

And then some of us elected her PM. Three times.
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April 24, 2014 9:14pm
Johnboy

The best friends New Zealand have ever had have been the Yanks nasska.

Despite the best efforts of pieces of shit like Lange I still think that is true.

We will rue our rejection of their friendship bigtime one day I suspect.
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April 24, 2014 9:18pm
griffith

Not many on here reid maybe milky and lefty lib on here at the mo actually voted for the harpy

and Mrs Minus votes for the Communist League (New Zealand) who won a huge minority of 96 total votes in the last election
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April 24, 2014 9:19pm
Johnboy

I think I’ll take my Avigra now so I can be standing to attention come dawn! 🙂

Night all!
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April 24, 2014 9:27pm
kowtow

Opposition to that war is regularly overstated.

Of course if you listen to the usual suspects (cultural marxists) then you’d think everyone was against it.

That just goes to show how powerful Hollywood is.

We’ve seen the same thing here. The 60’s and 70’s commies are losing a lot of their influence.Proof ,a resurgent Anzac Day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_United_States_involvement_in_the_Vietnam_War
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April 24, 2014 9:27pm
Reid

This is the second skirmish reported tonight in Ukraine – the last one was a few hours ago.

http://rt.com/news/154544-slavyansk-fighting-east-ukraine/

We’ll be hearing more tomorrow morning as we commemorate the fallen.

All caused by US aggression. Sorry, but it’s true.
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April 24, 2014 9:37pm
kowtow

Red Poppy Divisive in Northern Ireland.

That is typical bollox.

Ireland sent 10’s of thousands to WW1 ( All volunteers ,conscription was never extended there) After the war there were regular Royal British Legion Poppy Days as in the UK.

However the Republican thugs who ruled the streets went on a deliberate campaign of intimidation to stop them.The practise slowly died out as was the Republican intention.

Ireland is re awakening to the shame of how the state deliberately ignored its’ fallen.

And tomorrow I will also remember the men of the SS River Clyde.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKEC2FCo76c
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April 24, 2014 9:42pm
kowtow

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2013/11/when-50000-irishmen-gathered-to-commemorate-the-first-world-war/
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April 24, 2014 9:52pm
Nostalgia-NZ

‘There were some, such as Emmot Dalton, who saw no contradiction between fighting for the British against the Germans and for the IRA against the British. That is part of the story too.’

Also you need to wonder how it was that men were continued to be sent against machine gun fire, through water, open boats and alighting through narrow ports into a bullet hail. It’s unlikely that the British officer laid such early claim that the troops were landing unopposed if that that were not an expectation in some quarters, or a test in others, early as it was in the history of machine guns holding entrenchment against a foe moving in the difficultly of water before being exposed in open, lower, ground.
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April 24, 2014 10:22pm
SPC

The circumstance of having a nationalist dispute with the UK and yet fighting a common enemy, was one for the Irish in WW1 and Jews in WW2.
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April 24, 2014 10:37pm
SPC

In riposte to the right wing attempt to own patriotism on this blog.

The veterans who voted in the first Labour government deserve red poppy respect.

And those who ended the white mushroom clouds in the Pacific (third Labour government) and then the atoll to sea pollution from the continuing underground testing do so also. They also defended our region.

As for US ship visits, they are not necessary for our defence. They were part of our contribution to collective security and to back up our multi-lateralist foreign policy. They were sacrificed as part of a campaign to

1. ending testing
2. opt out from defence via nuclear capacity of an ally as contribution to nuclear disarmament
3. the South Pacific as an example of a nuclear free region

(this coincided with the decision of the USSR and USA to withdraw their nuclear weapons from Europe – later Russia and the USA reduced down their nuclear arms stocks).
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April 24, 2014 10:55pm
kowtow

They were sacrificed as a victory to the communist inspired sisterhood that ran Labour at the time.
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