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Pete George

What are people’s thoughts here about what part cannabis plays in the synthetic drug issue?

Is cannabis as risky, riskier or is it safer?
If cannabis was available the same as synthetics would the problem be better, worse or similar?
If no synthetics pass the safety test of the new Act and nothing else changes will the problems get better or worse?
Should the laws related to cannabis use be reviewed?
Should the laws related to cannabis cultivation be reviewed?
Should the laws related to cannabis supply be reviewed?
Should all psychoactive substances be banned (including cannabis)?

When the Psychoactive Substances Act kicks in we may have no synthetic drugs legally for sale or we may have a reduced number of them for sale. Regardless, we will still have issues with drug use, drug addiction and associated problems – especially health and crime.
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April 20, 2014 8:06am
Scott Chris

Colin Craig’s gerrymander:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11241127
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April 20, 2014 8:07am
hj

Likely reasons why NZ’s economic bubble will pop:

Interest rates have been at all-time lows for almost a half-decade
Property prices have doubled since 2004
New Zealand has the world’s third most overvalued property market
New Zealand’s mortgage bubble grew by 165% since 2002
Nearly half of mortgages have floating interest rates
Mortgages account for 60% of banks’ loan portfolios
Finance, not agriculture, is New Zealand’s largest industry
New Zealand’s banks are exposed to Australia’s bubble
Australian and Chinese buyers are inflating the property bubble
New Zealand has a household debt problem
Government overseas debt has nearly tripled since 2008
The New Zealand dollar is overvalued

What to expect:

The property bubble will pop
Banks will experience losses on their mortgage portfolios
The country’s credit boom will turn into a bust
Over-leveraged consumers will default on their debts
Stock and bond prices will fall; the New Zealand dollar may weaken
Economic growth will go into reverse
Unemployment will rise

http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/analyst-predicts-grim-times-new-zealand-economy-5936246
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April 20, 2014 8:15am
lolitasbrother

Reference above
:Scott Chris (5,676 comments) says:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11241127

Shall we get real now, or will we wait. How long to you want to wait brothers and sisters.
Conservative party will not dangle and dingle and medallions for Winston.
The Conservative party takes over where ACT has failed.
Lets be brave and go there
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April 20, 2014 8:20am
duggledog

PG

My take on it is this, after seeing many of my contemporaries in the 80s and 90s either fry their brains or waste their lives doing ‘art’ that nobody wanted –

Cannabis and synthetics both have the ability to make someone psychotic, the weed they grow these days is f***ing rocket fuel (interestingly the Greens never worry about genetically engineered marijuana do they, but that’s what it all is now).

How about the guy that killed himself jumping off a balcony the other day by ‘exceeding the recommended dose of cannabis cookies’?

The way I see it we either legalise the whole lot – great, fine, so long as you register as a user and as such become invalid to receive any government support for your f***ed up life from me, the taxpayer. And if you want to register me as a ‘user’ because I like a beer or a wine now and then; so be it, I’m responsible and I don’t let it control me. We allow New Zealanders to vote for this, for a period of five years, with the proviso we can vote it out again (we most certainly will!).

Or

We actually decide that cannabis is dangerous, like other drugs, and enforce its prohibition properly. The reason we can’t police it is because the penalties for using or selling are so pathetic nobody gives a shit and it’s business as usual.
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April 20, 2014 8:21am
griffith

love the weather

it wouldn’t be due to climate change ?

just a coincidence.

Drought , rain ,coastal flooding.

AGW science says all will intensify with time.
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April 20, 2014 8:22am
UglyTruth

Should all psychoactive substances be banned (including cannabis)?

Does a majority of fools have any right to limit the liberty of the minority?
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April 20, 2014 8:23am
Chuck Bird

Jack Tame is concerned that the Kiwi mixing with terrorist did not get a fair trial. None of the victims of the terrorist scum get a fair trial.

Jack Tame: Remote death by drone, so 2014 /b>

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11241090
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April 20, 2014 8:25am
Reid

Christ is risen.
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April 20, 2014 8:27am
griffith

Alcohol.
http://drugfoundation.org.nz/alcohol/health-effects
Short-term effects

Drinking too much alcohol can affect the body very badly. Effects can vary depending on a person’s weight, metabolism and how long ago they have eaten.

The immediate effects of drinking alcohol can include:

initial relaxation
reduced concentration
lack of coordination and slow reflexes
mood changes, aggression or being overly emotional
confusion, blurred vision and poor muscle control
nausea, vomiting and incontinence
alcohol poisoning
coma and death.
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April 20, 2014 8:29am
kiwi in america

A big thank you to Cameron Slater for linking to my guest post here on Friday on Whaleoil later that day and for his mentioning Labour’s bunker mentality denial here at Whaleoil yesterday. For those who may be inclined to wonder over to The Standard, Cunliffe’s advisor Greg Presland aka mickeysavage devoted an entire blog post to a rebuttal http://thestandard.org.nz/the-right-wing-only-want-to-help-us/ and I have commented on the thread of that post in response. I was surprised at what weak tea he offered up and also the poor quality of rebuttal of the Labour supporters who commented. I must confess I’m not often on The Standard but good on Greg for allowing the comment out of moderation.
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April 20, 2014 8:30am
duggledog

hj –

I remember mortgages being in the 15 – 18% category and as such I have always tried to keep my debt real low and my spending to a minimum. I must have Scots ancestry (actually I do). The generation who have recently bought houses they can’t afford in Auckland and are setting themselves up to have families etc will have to learn the hard way unfortunately.

I sometimes wonder where all the common sense went; no doubt it’s just ‘old fashioned’ and anyway the teachers told us we could be anything we wanted to be, and the Government will always look after us no matter what.
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April 20, 2014 8:32am
igm

I remember mortgages around the 25%, necessitating holding down one full-time and two-part-time jobs, as well as starting up a business. That would not be tolerated by the majority of left-leaning, self-entitled, Labour/Green voting, envious leeches today.
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April 20, 2014 8:36am
kowtow

Yes Chuck that piece written by Jack Tame was rubbish.

He says “We don’t know much about the New Zealander killed.”

That’s right Jack ,because you lame lumps of apologists in the MSM aren’t doing your jobs.

In fact you act as gate keepers and controllers and manipulators of the message that is fed to us the sheeple.

Get a name and face for this guy.

If it had been some dumb bitch banged up in Bali you’d be all over it.
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April 20, 2014 8:40am
Pete George

Re KIA and The Standard – Greg Presland’s said:

Before you tell the Labour Party what it is doing wrong can you firstly get your facts straight.

A fair request – except that in that same post Greg made a claim that he must have known was factually incorrect. I called him on it and after a while he altered his statement (although he left the original comment) and said:

[Corrected Pete. I did not comprehend how describing you as a United Future supporter would cause such upset – MS]

Sort of corrected. And I wasn’t upset, just making a point about his hypocrisy and suggesting he should act by the standards he asked of others in his post.

Greg, if you want others to be honest about David Cunliffe you need need to avoid getting things wrong don’t you think?
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April 20, 2014 8:41am
hj

duggledog (1,109 comments) says:
The generation who have recently bought houses they can’t afford in Auckland and are setting themselves up to have families etc will have to learn the hard way unfortunately.
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I know a couple in Chch who recently paid 450,000 for a 1970’s 2 br unit of about 5. It had a strange smell so I hope it wasn’t a P lab. They were desperate as they were renting and had to move out for EQC and if they moved back in the landlords were going Max Market. People can’t see an end in sight, national is in denial blaming land supply and labour/Green are happy that hordes more will come to gain a claim to the NZ landmass.
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April 20, 2014 8:54am
kowtow

The “Syrian rebels” (Qatar and Saudi Arabia)are desperate to get Obummer and Camoron involved in the Sunni coup there.They’re still gassing the people they claim to be “liberating”.

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/middleeast/2014/04/syrian-activists-allege-new-gas-attack-2014419192649194457.html
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April 20, 2014 8:56am
muggins

Pete George
No real opinion on cannabis except to say I have never smoked anything, nor has my wife, nor have my children, nor have my grandchildren, nor have any of my inlaws.
So all I can say is I don’t understand why anyone smokes anything, be it cigarettes or cannabis or whatever.
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April 20, 2014 9:04am
igm

Newstalkzb are on the Labour run again this morning. They are giving “Drunk Dyson” premiere airspace to push her foul and disgusting Labour diatribe. A effen disgrace!
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April 20, 2014 9:06am
stephieboy

For Resurrection Sunday.

II. Loveliest of trees, the cherry now

LOVELIEST of trees, the cherry now

Is hung with bloom along the bough,

And stands about the woodland ride

Wearing white for Eastertide.

Now, of my threescore years and ten,
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Twenty will not come again,

And take from seventy springs a score,

It only leaves me fifty more.

And since to look at things in bloom

Fifty springs are little room,
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About the woodlands I will go

To see the cherry hung with snow.

E. Housman (1859–1936).  A Shropshire Lad.  1896.

Russian Orthodox Chant for Easter – ” Thy Resurrection, O Christ Saviour”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8m9_aPHyQE

At the beginning of the Pascha all lights in the church are out and the church is dark symbolizing the darkness of death. Then the priest comes out and spreads the Light of Christ to the faithful and the church slowly begins to light up while everyone sings: “Thy Resurrection O Christ our Saviour, the angels in heaven sing. Enable us on earth to glorify They with purity of heart.”  
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April 20, 2014 9:06am
wat dabney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_d4Dxntv24
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April 20, 2014 9:11am
big bruv

How the hell is Dyson sober enough to be on Radio?
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April 20, 2014 9:20am
kowtow

Ah yes,the brave fearless voice of the cultural marxists at the BBC,masquarading as “comedy”.

No point in any of us anticipating they do a “spoof” entitled Mild Mohammed Rapes Underage Sex Slave ………
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April 20, 2014 9:21am
dirty harry

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8832435/government-under-pressure-to-red-zone-land

No way. The pillicks that purchased properties in the area knew it was a flood plain..that’s what LIM reports tell you, ask anyone in Christchurch about houses in those streets, they will tell you to stay clear.
So they go running to Dalzell and cry and blubber.

Get real..you knew when you purchased it was a bathtub..now suffer the consequences of your decision, not the taxpayers.
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April 20, 2014 9:36am
stephieboy

Wat dabney’s post brings me back to this quote which sums up much of what passes for British TV ” comedy” these days ,

The externals are important but I’m not interested in superficiality.

 ~ Kyan Douglas.
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April 20, 2014 9:36am
dirty harry

Properties cyclical. Ive been around long enough to see the signs , been through 3 boom and busts. So I wait. When the times right and the market falls over ( again ) I’m in…couple more investment properties added to the list at bargain basement price.
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April 20, 2014 9:42am
wat dabney

You are obviously a very deep and serious thinker, stephieboy.
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April 20, 2014 9:43am
kowtow

As opposed to wat dumbneys thinking which is…….

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April 20, 2014 9:48am
mikenmild

Deborah Coddington dishes the dirt on Don Brash:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9960334/NZ-dodged-bullet-on-Brash-ex-MP
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April 20, 2014 9:51am
dirty harry

stephieboy@9.06

What a crock of…

Wakey wake.
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April 20, 2014 9:53am
hj

Yesterday there was discussion about http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/. The claim was made that it is “White Supremest”. Some of it seems close to the wind but why should we run in horror if it crosses the line at times. It is that reaction that has become part of our cultural indoctrination. After all you could read a host of other ethnicity based sights and criticism of whites would be seen as catch up or still paying back?
an excerpt from the home page:

The public presentations as part of their candidacies by two finalists for a professorship at the University of Vermont:

“If not me, then who will counsel a recent immigrant about race and racism that was experienced at the supermarket or for that matter with an advisor or faculty member on campus? If not me, then who will work with a White student to encourage the process of self-exploration of her/his identity, privilege, oppression and racism and the ensuing guilt that employs a non-judgmental model for that White student’s ignorance and lack of exposure to diverse issues?”
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April 20, 2014 9:56am
dirty harry

“Rich resigned the welfare portfolio after arguing with Brash over his desire to refer to beneficiaries as “satan”, “bludgers” and “an army on the march”, Coddington says.”

The stupid woman. Get back in the kitchen.

Ive always liked Don Brash…and now I like him even more after reading that.
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April 20, 2014 9:57am
Longknives

Jack Tame must be the only person on the planet mourning the loss of that Terrorist scum.
It is frightening that a supposedly ‘prominent’ NZ journalist can have such extreme views…He appears to actively support Al Qaeda!
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April 20, 2014 9:59am
Longknives

And has Deborah Coddington lost the plot?? (Or has becoming part of the Treaty ‘Gravy Train’ changed her perception somewhat?)
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April 20, 2014 10:00am
mikenmild

hj
It wasn’t just a claim: the site’s tagline is ‘White Identity, Interests and Culture. It’s a pile of garbage.
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April 20, 2014 10:01am
dime

Coddington – she’s the moron who does the radio live show with Jackson sometimes? Agrees with him about 90% of the time… While telling us she’s right wing.
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April 20, 2014 10:05am
Longknives

So “White Culture” is garbage then Mikey??
*It intrigues me that every Ethnic group on the planet is allowed to be proud of their Culture except White Europeans..
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April 20, 2014 10:08am
hj

mikenmild

hj
It wasn’t just a claim: the site’s tagline is ‘White Identity, Interests and Culture. It’s a pile of garbage.
…………
Are you saying there is no such thing as ‘White Identity, Interests and Culture”
if not the concept of “white privelege’ and etc are garbage also.

“It’s a pile of garbage”
That’s the fallacy of composition. Even the The white groups who marched in Christchurch recently had a tidy message that contained valid (at least debatable) points.
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April 20, 2014 10:13am
mikenmild

‘White’ culture is endlessly celebrated and many members of it are tremendously threatened even by the idea that other cultures could find a place here too. If you care to scan the articles on The Occidental Observer you will find it to be a steaming pool of racist excrement.
Personally, I’m celebrating white culture today by eating Easter eggs and going to the ballet.
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April 20, 2014 10:15am
Viking2

Well Coddington is a journo so what do you expect. Right wing. Never in a month of Sundays.

Stupid wench.
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April 20, 2014 10:18am
mikenmild

dirty harry: ‘The stupid woman. Get back in the kitchen.’
Viking 2: ‘Stupid wench’
Seems Don Brash is not the only misogynist around…
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April 20, 2014 10:20am
Viking2

hj (5,680 comments) says:
April 20th, 2014 at 8:54 am

duggledog (1,109 comments) says:
The generation who have recently bought houses they can’t afford in Auckland and are setting themselves up to have families etc will have to learn the hard way unfortunately.
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I know a couple in Chch who recently paid 450,000 for a 1970′s 2 br unit of about 5. It had a strange smell so I hope it wasn’t a P lab. They were desperate as they were renting and had to move out for EQC and if they moved back in the landlords were going Max Market. People can’t see an end in sight, national is in denial blaming land supply and labour/Green are happy that hordes more will come to gain a claim to the NZ landmass.
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Why would they do that?
there are dozens of places you can buy a house for way les money and unless they sell that one within a year or so they will be under water.
Now I know they need a house but lets be brutal here. Christchurch is fucked for at least 10 years but like some many people with addictions the addicts fail to reason and leave the god forsaken hole. There are jobs elsewhere.
The happiest people I meet in Tga are those that have quit CHCH. They get to live again.

Staying in CHCH is masochistic.
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April 20, 2014 10:22am
Viking2

State Services Minister Jonathan Coleman says he is not happy about a cash bonus for unionised parliamentary staff, but can do nothing about it.

The Herald on Sunday reported last week the agency in charge of parliamentary staff had agreed to union members receiving a one-off $1000 bonus – double the amount for non-union members. This was despite John Key’s National Party previously calling such deals discriminatory.

The Herald on Sunday understands the party was horrified to read about the bonus in the newspaper, and caucus agreed Coleman should make sure either every worker received $1000, or no one did.
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11241050

So their no surprises policy doesn’t apply to the CEO’s who allowed this to be negotiated and included.
Their answer is to give everyone money.
No fucking wonder we are going broke.
Useless bastards.

They should sack the CEO’s who allowed this happen. don’t give a shit how valuable they think they are.

Troughing arsewipes.

Mind you if coleman had any guts he would make being a member a sin.
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April 20, 2014 10:24am
mikenmild

What’s so wrong about a union negotiating a better deal for its members than those who choose not to join? Should the non-members automatically enjoy any benefits the union secures?
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April 20, 2014 10:30am
stephieboy

dirty harry,

Wakey ?, oh the deep irony.

From Boris Pasternak ‘s Mary Magdalene,

People clean their homes before the feast.
Stepping from the bustle of the street
I go down before Thee on my knees
And anoint with myrrh Thy holy feet.

Groping round, I cannot find the shoes
For the tears that well up with my sighs.
My impatient tresses, breaking loose,
Like a pall hang thick before my eyes.

I take up Thy feet onto my lap,
Wash them clean with hot tears from my eyes,
In my hair Thy precious feet I wrap,
And my string of pearls around them tie.

I now see the future in detail,
As if it were stopped in flight by Thee.
Like a raving sibyl, I could tell
What will happen, how it will all be.

In the temple, veils will fall tomorrow,
We shall form a frightened group apart,
And the earth will shake-perhaps from sorrow
And from pity for my tortured heart.

Troops will then reform and march away
To the thud of hoofs and heavy tread,
And the cross will reach towards the sky
Like a water-spout above our heads.

By the cross, I’ll fall down on the ground,
I shall bite my lips till I draw blood.
On the cross, your arms will be spread out-
Wide enough to hug the whole wide world.

Who’s this for, this glory and this strife?
Who’s this for, this torment and this might?
Are there enough souls on earth, and lives?
Are there enough cities, dales and heights?

But three days-such days and nights will pass-
They will fill me with such crushing dread
That I’ll see the joyous truth, at last:
I shall know Christ will rise from the dead.
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April 20, 2014 10:32am
ShawnLH

CHRIST HAS RISEN! HE HAS RISEN INDEED! ALLELUIA! 🙂
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April 20, 2014 10:38am
Chuck Bird

“Deborah Coddington dishes the dirt on Don Brash:”

Thanks for pointing that out mikenmild.

I clearly remember talking to that stupid woman at the ACT conference in Wellington shortly after Don became leader. I expressed concern that ACT would lose a lot of votes because of this. The arrogant cow rudely dismissed my viewpoint which turned out to be correct.

I am amazed that she is considered a political commentator. I heard her on talkback she did even have even a rough idea what percentage of the vote a party would need to bring in an extra MP. That did not stop her from making a wild stab.

I do not know why ACT decided to have such a stupid woman as an MP when she disagreed with most of ACT’s policy at the time. The only thing she supported was homosexual demand which certainly was not ACT policy at the time.

She should be considered an embarrassment to all intelligent women.
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April 20, 2014 10:40am
hj

White’ culture is endlessly celebrated and many members of it are tremendously threatened even by the idea that other cultures could find a place here too. If you care to scan the articles on The Occidental Observer you will find it to be a steaming pool of racist excrement
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sounds like you are throwing your toys out of the cot.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/ is about counter argument. Are you saying there shouldn’t be a site to argue against mass migration, multi culturalism etc?
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April 20, 2014 10:44am
ShawnLH

“Are you saying there is no such thing as ‘White Identity, Interests and Culture””

There may well be in theory. However the web site in question is just a White Supremacist propaganda site, with the usual obsession with the supposed evil of Jewish people, which, if I were white, I would not want representing my identity, interests and culture.

“Are you saying there shouldn’t be a site to argue against mass migration, multi culturalism etc?”

Would you want those concerns being associated with neo-Nazism? That would not help your cause.
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April 20, 2014 10:44am
eszett

ShawnLH (1,883 comments) says:
April 20th, 2014 at 10:38 am
CHRIST HAS RISEN! HE HAS RISEN INDEED! ALLELUIA!

Sharing your morning erection with us, Shawn? 😉
Congratulations. Let’s hope you put it to good use.
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April 20, 2014 10:49am
ShawnLH

“Well Coddington is a journo so what do you expect. Right wing. Never in a month of Sundays.”

She was for a while part of the Libertarianz and a contributor to the ‘Free Radical.’ That’s pretty right wing. I have no idea what she believes now.
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April 20, 2014 10:51am
hj

@ Viking2

a drive through Shirley and Dallington is depressing. There’s nothing nice about the architecture and it is aging while it is quite obvious the inhabitants can’t afford to do up their houses.
Elites like to pigeon hole into A:B rich:poor but they need to come and look at the scale of the resources needed to improve peoples living situation.
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April 20, 2014 10:52am
Jack5

Re Chuck bird on Jack Tame at 8.25.

What is the story with Tame? He seems to pop up all over the place for TVNZ to read summaries of stories available from the international news agencies and to narrate to clips from the video equivalents.

It’s similar to sending the woman from London to Kiev. Was she really there when she appeared against a background of the city reading what we had read hours earlier on the internet? Is TVNZ really flying her and technicians to Kiev, when it could just superimpose her on a Kiev background?

TVNZ regards us viewers as fuckwits if it thinks this sort of video fools us that TVNZ is an international network, a mini-CNN or mini-BBC or mini-Al Jazeera. This is Jack Tame from New York, this is X from Kiev …. and we give a stuff?

Back to Tame. He’s never come across as a well informed commentator on political affairs. As Kiwi old timers might say, Tame’s views on Al Qaeda terrorists and drones aren’t worth a nob of rabbit shit.

If Tame has any chance at all of developing into an Alistair Cook type pundit, he had better spend a helluva lot of time studying and reading. Unfortunately, there will be no time for that if he continues flitting from international TV assignment to international TV assignment, and in between jabbers on talk radio.

What’s it to be Jack Tame? A slog to reputation, or cantering on to empty celebrity?
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April 20, 2014 11:02am
lilman

Are you saying that a polly has a drinking problem?If so,why has no reporter asked how her drinking has impacted her work?
Seems reasonable to me.
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April 20, 2014 11:06am
ShawnLH

“Jack Tame is concerned that the Kiwi mixing with terrorist did not get a fair trial.”

What an idiot. It’s a WAR.
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April 20, 2014 11:06am
stephieboy

longknives,

*It intrigues me that every Ethnic group on the planet is allowed to be proud of their Culture except White Europeans..”

The trouble is its all about perceptions and many posters here don’t instill one with confidence . The term White Europeans or White Culture is often used pejoratively in this context towards other cultures that can lead to this kind of thing,

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=aryan+nation&client=safari&sa=X&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=jAhTU_f0HszGlAWG9YGABQ&ved=0CEsQsAQ&biw=167
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April 20, 2014 11:36am
publicwatchdog

Seen this article Kiwibloggers?

http://laudafinem.com/2014/04/19/why-cant-new-zealand-have-honest-and-capable-politicians-is-nz-in-need-of-an-icac/

NSW Premier Barry O’Farrelly had to resign over his $3000 bottle of wine ‘brainfade’.

The difference between NZ and NSW is that NSW has an INDEPENDENT COMMISSION AGAINST CORRUPTION (ICAC).

High time for an NZ INDEPENDENT COMMISSION AGAINST CORRUPTION (ICAC)?

I think so.

Some of us have been advocating this for some time:

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

Seen this?

http://www.transparency.net.nz/

Penny Bright
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April 20, 2014 11:42am
kowtow

It’s even more of a worry that the likes of Jack Lame ,who looks like he hasn’t even started to shave, can be considered a “leading journalist”, here in Aotearoa,formerly New Zealand.
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April 20, 2014 11:45am
wf

And he wasn’t JUST a Kiwi ‘mixing with terrorists.’ He was actively involved with known Al Quaeda operatives and caught the consequences.
There is not need for us to know his former civilian name. This obsession with knowing everyone’s name is rubbish and will not add to the sum of worthwhile knowledge.

Chinese border officials come to mind.
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April 20, 2014 11:47am
ShawnLH

Penny, corruption is failing to pay your rates. That’s stealing from other ratepayers.

Stop bludging off ratepayers and then hypocritically talking about crime and corruption. You have no moral credibility.
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April 20, 2014 11:47am
hj

ShawnLH (1,887 comments) says:
April 20th, 2014 at 10:44 am

“Are you saying there is no such thing as ‘White Identity, Interests and Culture””

There may well be in theory. However the web site in question is just a White Supremacist propaganda site, with the usual obsession with the supposed evil of Jewish people, which, if I were white, I would not want representing my identity, interests and culture.
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Fallacy of composition again. Denise Roche used the same dismissive on NZCPR “some outfit” and “climate change denial”
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“Are you saying there shouldn’t be a site to argue against mass migration, multi culturalism etc?”

Would you want those concerns being associated with neo-Nazism? That would not help your cause.
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So far I have seen an associating of Jewish interests to immigration: a jewish conspiaracy claim. Why can’t he be free in his attempt to make a case? No one need believe it. Peoples interests don’t necessarily coincide and their identity colours their allegiances.
They seem to base their analysis more on evolutionary psychology than the out dated sociology.
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April 20, 2014 11:49am
ShawnLH

“Fallacy of composition again.”

Rubbish. The site is White Supremacist. That’s not an ad hominem, it’s a statement of fact.

“Why can’t he be free in his attempt to make a case.”

He is, just as others are free to point out his bigotry, and the bigotry of the sites he uses as sources.

That said, if I see some guy in a white sheet burning a cross, I’m not likely to take anything he says seriously.
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April 20, 2014 11:54am
wf

And while I’m about it, it’s time to get Christchurch sorted out.

Red zone all the areas which are now known to be flood zones after a few day’s rain, and at high tide. Until the next earthquake comes and raises the ground again that’s the way it’s going to be.

Just do it.

Sorry folks.
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April 20, 2014 11:54am
ShawnLH

“They seem to base their analysis more on evolutionary psychology”

It’s a reboot of the “evolutionary biology” that the Nazi’s used, designed to come to the same conclusion: Jews are bad people.
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April 20, 2014 11:56am
Scott Chris

CHRIST HAS RISEN! HE HAS RISEN INDEED! ALLELUIA! 🙂

My bread has risen. You could call me a happy yeaster.
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April 20, 2014 11:59am
wat dabney

Be careful what you wish for Penny.

A properly-functioning anti-corruption commission would shut down the Labour Party on day one.

It is, after all, nothing but a vehicle to legalise the plundering of the workers by an organised minority.

They all belong in prison.
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April 20, 2014 12:00pm
hj

3.4.2
Large population increase?

In theory, a high rate of immigration over an extended period could greatly increase
New Zealand’s population, allowing productivity gains from economies of scale, both from
conventional sources and the particular effects identified by economic geographers.
However, the 2025 Taskforce, set up to provide advice to the government on how to close
the income gap with Australia, did not favour greatly expanding immigration and
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considered this approach unrealistic and potentially “enormously disruptive”.
If in New Zealand’s situation a much larger population would greatly improve viability,
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growth and resilience, disruption may be worth the cost. A larger population is
technically feasible; New Zealand has similar land area to countries with much larger
populations (for example, the United Kingdom or Japan). The historical growth of Australia
over the 19 th century, or California during the 20 th century provide precedents for large
population increases.
However, just because greatly increasing population is feasible does not mean it is a wise
strategy. While there is clear evidence that within countries, large urban agglomerations
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have higher incomes and productivity, there is no such evidence across countries
(bigger, more densely-populated countries are not richer than smaller countries with more
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scattered populations). The observation that the very highest productivity is found in
large urban areas producing knowledge-based products does not mean all societies can
or should attempt to recreate the San Francisco Bay Area or London. When what is now
the United States rust belt was the global productivity leader, many other regions
improved their wellbeing through industrial development on a less extensive and less
productive scale. Today New Zealand or other productivity “followers” may be able to
materially improve productivity and living standards from current levels without adopting a
large scale agglomeration strategy. Silicon Valley also illustrates the limitations of such
strategies; notwithstanding the presence of Silicon Valley, the State of California has
serious economic and fiscal problems. Similarly, Israel has a thriving innovative hi-tech
sector, similar population, and comparable overall productivity to New Zealand.
To make a judgment on whether a large increase in population is necessary or wise more
information would be required on both costs (including environmental, social, and cultural
costs) and benefits. Two key questions are how large the increase would need to be to
realise the benefits, and to what extent New Zealand’s level of geographic isolation would
continue to act as a brake on performance even with a large population.

Migration and Macroeconomic
Performance in New Zealand:
Theory and Evidence
Julie Fry
New Zealand Treasury Working Paper 14/10
April 2014
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April 20, 2014 12:00pm
publicwatchdog

Sh(yawn) – care to provide some STATUTORY backup for your rather extraordinary claim?

“Penny, corruption is failing to pay your rates. That’s stealing from other ratepayers.

Stop bludging off ratepayers and then hypocritically talking about crime and corruption. You have no moral credibility.”

Otherwise, in my considered opinion, it is YOU who has no credibility, moral or otherwise.

When you’re ready ……………:)

Also – please be reminded that I polled 4th in the 2013 Auckland mayoral campaign with nearly 12,000 votes, against corrupt corporate control of the Auckland region, and being very TRANSPARENT about my refusal to pay rates and the reasons for so doing.

How many votes did you get Sh(yawn)?

You don’t even put your name to your posts, do you, anonymous GUTLESS Sh (YAWN)?

Meant of course in a caring way 😉

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 20, 2014 12:09pm
hj

ShawnLH (1,890 comments) says:
April 20th, 2014 at 11:54 am

“Fallacy of composition again.”

Rubbish. The site is White Supremacist. That’s not an ad hominem, it’s a statement of fact.
…………

White supremacy is the belief, or promotion of the belief, that white people are superior to people of other racial backgrounds and that therefore whites should politically, economically and socially dominate non-whites. The term is also typically used to describe a political ideology that perpetuates and maintains the social, political, historical and/or industrial dominance of whites.[1] Different forms of white supremacy have different conceptions of who is considered white, and different white supremacists identify various racial and cultural groups as their primary enemy.[2]

In the context of people in western countries opposing immigration, they are defending there identity and right to the resources of the nation.
Take NZ

In the late 19 th century and early 20 th century, immigration to New Zealand could be seen
as reflecting a favourable shock to the tradable sector. Opening up new lands to
production, falling transport costs, refrigerated shipping combined to lift the population
capacity of New Zealand while still offering high wages and high rates of return.
By the middle of the 20 th century, New Zealand was settled and producing, and
technological change in the key export sectors was no longer as rapid (relative to other
producers). The factor price equalisation justification for strong population growth had
dissipated, yet population growth remained high. Across the OECD, there is some
evidence that rapid population growth in post-war advanced countries was associated with
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an apparent cost to per capita growth rates.

You have to judge the posts in Occidental Observer on a case by case basis as to whether (if) the qualify as white supremist I suggest you are trying to silence the messenger.
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April 20, 2014 12:16pm
stephieboy

Eugenetics and Evolutionary biology were ideas used by the Nazis and perverted by them in their delusory goals of a perfect master race . it began in 1933 when sterilization of mental defectives and mentally ill became possible . It culminated in the T4 gassing program of mentally disabled etc.

Their ideas were also used to rationalize the murder of Jews and the treatment of other ” sub humans ” ( Untermensch ) like Slavs – Poles and Russians.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/0/23183272
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April 20, 2014 12:16pm
kowtow

Home brewers are the true happy yeasters.
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April 20, 2014 12:16pm
duggledog

Jack5 re Jack Tame –

Don’t expect him to go anywhere soon. He’s been given the foreign correspondence gig because he has been earmarked for greater things; you will see him reading the news as a permanent gig before too long, this I can guarantee you. Everyone does the foreign correspondent thing with the end game being a shot at that most coveted, easy, overpaid gig in telly – One News anchor.

TVNZ top brass will have focus-grouped him and the results will be that he is articulate, charming for the Womans day readers and a total six foot hottie for their mainly female audience (guys have a look at TV1’s schedule and see if there’s anything on there you would seriously watch). Politics will no doubt match the organisation’s internal preference – let’s just say he wouldn’t have been rooting for the Republican candidate. So he’s in with a grin because that’s all that really matters.

Tim Wilson and that square jawed guy who went back to the late news will be gutted, but there can be only One.

Cheers
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April 20, 2014 12:17pm
ShawnLH

“are to provide some STATUTORY backup for your rather extraordinary claim?”

You are not paying your rates. Stop stealing from other ratepayers.

“please be reminded that I polled 4th in the 2013 Auckland mayoral campaign with nearly 12,000 votes,”

Big whoop. Considering the size of Auckland’s population, that’s a pathetic result.

“You don’t even put your name to your posts,”

Shawn IS my name you silly ditz.
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April 20, 2014 12:18pm
Apollonius

Written the speech yet, Penny?
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April 20, 2014 12:19pm
ShawnLH

“You have to judge the posts in Occidental Observer on a case by case basis as to whether (if) the qualify as white supremist I suggest you are trying to silence the messenger.”

Bollocks hj. That’s like saying I have to take every post at Stormfront on a case by case basis.

Crap. If people post at a White Supremacist web site that alone is reason to presume the worst.

“I suggest you are trying to silence the messenger.”

Damn straight. Silencing Jew haters is a good thing.
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April 20, 2014 12:21pm
duggledog

And it won’t be long for the little lady that co-anchors with Hosking. I feel sorry for her, Hosking would have had a quiet word with the CEO from the get-go and made it crystal clear the new show would be Holmes-esque, with him having the final say and who wouldn’t, being surrounded by clowns?

Which it could have been from the start, if they’d kept Henry on and set him loose in that slot. I’d love to know who the genius was that dreamed up the comedy of errors that was Seven Sharp. They should never work in the media business again, but this being New Zealand they will not only get a pay rise, they will get promotion as well.
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April 20, 2014 12:24pm
hj

duggledog
Everyone does the foreign correspondent thing with the end game being a shot at that most coveted, easy, overpaid gig in telly
….
A trendy lefty
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April 20, 2014 12:26pm
kowtow

Cannabis,the wonder herb the media and those who wish to undermine our productive society are so hard at work promoting.Including Obummer and his Attorney General.

Wasn’t long before the gloss ran off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10775865/Cannabis-opponents-call-for-restrictions-on-edibles-after-two-deaths.html
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April 20, 2014 12:31pm
stephieboy

Shawn L H, I dont think you can ever silence Jew haters. We can put up with their delusory and inane posts and links.
But we don’t have to put up with , of course, their bullets , boots and fists.
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April 20, 2014 12:36pm
ShawnLH

Good news for Easter Sunday! 🙂

China on course to become ‘world’s most Christian nation’ within 15 years.

“Christian congregations in particular have skyrocketed since churches began reopening when Chairman Mao’s death in 1976 signalled the end of the Cultural Revolution.

Less than four decades later, some believe China is now poised to become not just the world’s number one economy but also its most numerous Christian nation.

“By my calculations China is destined to become the largest Christian country in the world very soon,” said Fenggang Yang, a professor of sociology at Purdue University and author of Religion in China: Survival and Revival under Communist Rule. “It is going to be less than a generation. Not many people are prepared for this dramatic change.”

China’s Protestant community, which had just one million members in 1949, has already overtaken those of countries more commonly associated with an evangelical boom. In 2010 there were more than 58 million Protestants in China compared to 40 million in Brazil and 36 million in South Africa, according to the Pew Research Centre’s Forum on Religion and Public Life.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html
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April 20, 2014 12:37pm
UglyTruth

Penny, corruption is failing to pay your rates. That’s stealing from other ratepayers.

Stop making up your own definitions of words, asshole.

Stop bludging off ratepayers and then hypocritically talking about crime and corruption. You have no moral credibility.

Such irony, from Kiwiblogs most prolific liar.
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April 20, 2014 12:38pm
wat dabney

Good news for Easter Sunday!

http://i.imgur.com/mHBPhwG.jpg
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April 20, 2014 12:41pm
wat dabney

kowtow,

It’s not at all clear what point you’re making with the cannabis thing.

Perhaps you could point-out cannabis on this mortality chart for us?

http://www.csdp.org/publicservice/causes.htm
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April 20, 2014 12:44pm
ShawnLH

Wow, that attempt was lame even for you wat! 🙂
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April 20, 2014 12:45pm
wat dabney

What attempt Shawn? What are you talking about?
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April 20, 2014 12:47pm
Chuck Bird

“a total six foot hottie for their mainly female audience”

I doubt if he is interested in women. He seems obsessed with homosexual issues.
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April 20, 2014 12:49pm
ShawnLH

http://i.imgur.com/mHBPhwG.jpg

That one wat.
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April 20, 2014 12:50pm
wat dabney

Shawn, you do realise that calling something “lame” doesn’t actually amount to a refutation?

It is obviously and necessarily the case that the “death” (actually amounting to a nice nap) of the Jesus character in the story was entirely superfluous. It didn’t have to happen in order to effect change. It was simply a piece of theatre.
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April 20, 2014 12:55pm
Andrei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4jmo7yQS1Y
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April 20, 2014 12:58pm
ShawnLH

“Shawn, you do realise that calling something “lame” doesn’t actually amount to a refutation?”

So? It was still lame.

“It is obviously and necessarily the case that the “death” (actually amounting to a nice nap) of the Jesus character in the story was entirely superfluous. It didn’t have to happen in order to effect change.”

Yes, it did. All sins are sins against God, so only God can ultimately forgive them. But only after the debt our sins occur was paid for. God did this Himself, by taking upon Himself the consequences of our rebellion, thus freeing us from the penalty for sin.
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April 20, 2014 1:06pm
mikenmild

Our Pasta, Who “Arghh” in the colander
Swallowed be thy sauce
Thy serving come
Thy food be yum
On forks as they are on spoons
Give us this day our daily sauce
And forgive our mess
As we forgive those who mess against us
And lead us not into Hell
But deliver us some pizza
For thine is the noodles, the sauce and the meatballs
Ramen
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April 20, 2014 1:14pm
wat dabney

“Yes, it did [have to happen.] All sins are sins against God, so only God can ultimately forgive them. But only after the debt our sins occur was paid for. God did this Himself, by taking upon Himself the consequences of our rebellion, thus freeing us from the penalty for sin.”

Or Yahweh could have just said “fuhgeddaboudit.”

That’s the point.

If Yawheh was compelled to act out this little drama in order to achieve the sitation he desired then he is not omnipotent: some other, higher, deity must have set the condition. Yahweh was jumping through hoops not of his own choosing. Is that what you’re saying?

On the other hand, if Yahweh wasn’t compelled to perform this little melodrama to effect the change he wanted then it was, by definition, pure drama-queen theatre.
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April 20, 2014 1:16pm
SGA

@mikenmild at 1:14 pm

Our Pasta, …

Thanks – forgot the supermarket was closed today. Pasta to the rescue.

@ShawnLH
Another day of not posting about religion unless taunted by atheists, I notice.
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April 20, 2014 1:20pm
wat dabney

“Pasta to the rescue.”

And there’s you complaining about religious posts.
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April 20, 2014 1:23pm
SGA

@wat dabney at 1:23 pm
droll – I like it 🙂
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April 20, 2014 1:26pm
hj

stephieboy (1,126 comments) says:
April 20th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

Eugenetics and Evolutionary biology were ideas used by the Nazis and perverted by them in their delusory goals of a perfect master race .
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How the Nazis *undermined* eugenics -your link. In other words they missused eugenics.

As for evolutionary psychology it isn’t going away

Evolutionary psychologists argue that much of human behavior is the output of psychological adaptations that evolved to solve recurrent problems in human ancestral environments.[1]

The adaptationist approach is steadily increasing as an influence in the general field of psychology.[2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology#cite_note-moralanimal-2
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April 20, 2014 1:45pm
kowtow

SGA would like it.

Another obsessed bigot unhappy that the Christian world rejoices today.

Sad,angry, lonely recluses reduced to pathetic snide remarks.
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April 20, 2014 1:47pm
wat dabney

Kowtow,

Perhaps you should review your own “contributions”?

An almost unparalleled litany of sad, angry and pathetic snide remarks.
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April 20, 2014 1:52pm
mikenmild

Don’t overrate him, wat.
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April 20, 2014 2:00pm
Fletch

A new study came out a few days ago about the harmful effects of using pot, even recreationally.

Every day, the push toward national legalization of marijuana seems more and more inevitable. As more and more politicians and noted individuals come out in favor of legalizing or at least decriminalizing different amounts of pot, the mainstream acceptance of the recreational use of the drug seems like a bygone conclusion. But before we can talk about legalization, have we fully understood the health effects of marijuana?

According to a new study published in the Journal of Neuroscience, researchers from Harvard and Northwestern studied the brains of 18- to 25-year-olds, half of whom smoked pot recreationally and half of whom didn’t. What they found was rather shocking: Even those who only smoked few times a week had significant brain abnormalities in the areas that control emotion and motivation.

“There is this general perspective out there that using marijuana recreationally is not a problem — that it is a safe drug,” said Anne Blood, a co-author of the study. “We are seeing that this is not the case.”

http://www.policymic.com/articles/87743/harvard-scientists-studied-the-brains-of-pot-smokers-and-the-results-don-t-look-good?utm_source=policymicFB&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/16/casual-marijuana-use-may-damage-your-brain/comment-page-8/
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