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UglyTruth

I await UT’s sane comments on this

“I work for IBM and I have managed to hide my cellphone in my ass during the hijack.”

Ouch.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/iPhone-5-Exact-Weight-and-Size-Dimensions-292761.shtml

As such, the iPhone 5’s height is 4.87 inches (123.8 mm); the width is 2.31 inches (58.6 mm); the depth is 0.30 inches (7.6 mm); and the weight is 3.95 ounces (112 grams).
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April 1, 2014 3:01pm
wreck1080

cancel this guys right to stay in nz….

The businessman granted citizenship against official advice after a Government minister lobbied on his behalf has admitted domestic violence charges.

Donghua Liu today pleaded guilty to assaulting a woman and assault with intent to injure after an incident at the Boulevard Hotel in Newmarket, the first stage of a proposed $70 million property development by one of his companies.

I don’t care if he ends up stateless, why on earth is the govt letting these people into the country against advice?

Once again, NO ACCOUNTABILITY from politicians.
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April 1, 2014 3:07pm
Don the Kiwi

mikenmild (8,223 comments) says:
April 1st, 2014 at 1:30 pm
It is dismissed out of hand by people like Don because they are uncomfortable with the implications of AGW.

Wrong mikey.

When the global warming thingie first started, I was pretty much a believer.

But then Al Gore started his antics, along with Mann and co with their bullshit, so my doubt started, and since then everything that has happened, and the research that I have done taking acoount of both sides of the argument, I am an AGW sceptic. I would not call myself a denier, because as I have said here on several occasions, I acknowledge that warming is occurring over a time frame, as it has many times in geological history.

But I doubt that man-made CO 2 emissions are the main cause, and frankly, there is very strong evidence that the increase in CO 2 levels is assisting in greening the planet and increasing growth of vegetation – ideal for food production.

Hpwever, if I become convinced that the sea is rising – its the same level on the beach at Otuometai now as it was when I used to play on it when I was a kid back in the late 1940’s – the sea rise will be observable when it does.

So who’s bullshitting who? And besides, I’ll be long dead by the end of this century – even by 2050. And I taught my kids well, so they’ll handle it like most other human beings will through using their brains to adapt.
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April 1, 2014 3:08pm
Weihana

All_on_Red (887 comments) says:
April 1st, 2014 at 1:45 pm

Weihana
Show me a GCM which has been proven to be correct by observation. You can’t.

What would you consider “proven to be correct”? The models themselves are derived from observation (e.g. equations for fluid motion, parameterization for small-scale processes).

Also models have not been constructed mirroring all natural cycles. Stop telling lies. They are still finding out about natural cycles. Most of the knowledge on ENSO ( hattip Bob Tisdale) for example has only come in the last few years. So stop bullshitting.

How would one ever prove that “all natural cycles” had been taken into account? Surely if you are promoting a theory that there is a natural cycle and it accounts for some climatic trend then the onus is on you to make the case. One should not discount a theory simply because it cannot prove that it will withstand every future discovery. No scientific principle could meet that standard of proof.

If we are to have 4 k warming over the next 85 years then that’s a huge shift from the past 22 years of NO warming.

I disagree there has been no warming over the past 22 years. The 2000s were clearly warmer than the 90s. Ocean heat content has been rising.
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April 1, 2014 3:29pm
griffith

http://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2014/01/13/watt-about-bob-and-william/

in the absence of AGW one would – I think – expect El Niño events to be associated with an increase in global surface temperatures that decay quite quickly (months) back to the pre-event value, while La Niña events would be associated with small reductions in surface temperatures and the recovery of the ocean energy lost during the El Niño event. On average, one would expect the global surface temperatures to be roughly constant (i.e., ENSO cycles should not, by themselves, produce a long-term surface warming trend). That El Niño events are associated with step increases in surface temperatures indicates that the pre-event surface temperature is below equilibrium (due to anthropogenic forcings) and the El Niño event is simply a mechanism for rapidly driving surface temperatures towards equilibrium.
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April 1, 2014 3:36pm
stephieboy

UT, the date of the comment cellphone and his arse.?
If 9/11 then IPhone not released until 2007.
Consider context and if the comment was humor.!
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April 1, 2014 3:43pm
flipper

Fletch at 11.42am…

“…One of Kovats’ health chapter colleagues was an American named Jonathan Patz. He earned earned a Masters degree in Public Health in 1992 and had his first academic paper published in late 1995. Yet in 1994 the IPCC judged his credentials so impressive he was appointed one of its lead Given the involvement of both Kovats and Patz, Paul Reiter’s description of the IPCC’s 1995 health chapter as amateurish starts to make sense. Rather than recruiting real experts like Reiter ,the IPCC enlisted young, inexperienced, non-experts instead. It has been doing so since the mid-1990s. Yet in 2011 newspapers still report that the IPCC is a collection of “the world’s leading scientists.”

Another excellent comment Fletch.

As you probably know, Paul Reiter (actually an Englishman, but based at the Pasteur. I have previously posted his private email address.) is regarded as the world authority on malaria and similar.

That the two resident f/wits cannot recognise the difference between real scientist and the NGO children employed by the IPCC is indicative of their ability.
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April 1, 2014 3:51pm
Reid

Very interesting projection of the future using historical cycles.

The Economic Crisis and the Future of Mankind

In the graph, the Industrial Evolution follows a 72 ±7 years generational cycle of evolution and overproduction of energies and machines, the famous ‘Kondratieff’ cycle1,2 in which a nation discovers a new form of energy (white) applied then to the creation of new forms of money, the informative software of the economy, and new machines/weapons (red), its hardware, used by the dominant nation of each cycle to conquer the world.

The Origin of the cycle is biological (the life-span of a human being divided in 3 ‘generations’ of grand-parents, sons and grand-sons that carry the discovery and evolution of each duplet of new energies and machines to its completion). But the purpose of the cycle is ‘memetic’ – the evolution of selfish memes of metal’, weapons, money and machines, which is the purpose of our ‘technological’ civilization….

…White collar managers & scientists reach their intellectual height as they don’t suffer yet mental atrophy, caused by its substitution for PCs, minds of metal in the electronic age.

Thus the turn of the XIX-XX C. was the ideal age of synergy and symbiosis between man and machine. Yet the 1929 overproduction crisis broke that balance, halving factory jobs, as electro-mechanical engines automated assembly lines and taylorism used electric systems to control, monitor and intensify the speed of human labor, alienating workers, in a tendency that constantly makes humans closer to machines as they adapt to the monotony, repetitive tasks & harshness of metal-work conditions.

In right graph we compare the 29 and 2008 labor crisis, which so far are parallel in labor losses.

But this labor crisis unlike the 29 crisis has no end. Since robots are ‘metalife’ organisms that complete the Industrial R=evolution. So there is not a new Kondratieff wave to create new jobs in emerging industries, as the 2 economic roles of mankind, as consumers and workers, reproducers of machines can be performed by robots in automated company-mothers.White collar pcs & blue collar robots make all human labor obsolete, except jobs better suit by the laws of affinity to human labor directly related to the handling of humans or the production of life-based welfare goods (health-care, tourism, art, food, education, housing, etc.)

http://evolutionaryeconomics.wordpress.com/

http://evolutionaryeconomics.wordpress.com/times/the-2008-36-electronic-crisis/labor-crisis-overproduction-of-white-collar-pcs-blue-collar-robots/
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April 1, 2014 3:52pm
griffith

That the two resident f/wits cannot recognise the difference between real scientist and the “NGO children employed by the IPCC ” is indicative of their ability.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is a huge and yet very small organization. Thousands of scientists

from all over the world contribute to the work of the IPCC on a
voluntary basis as authors, contributors and reviewers. None of them is
paid by the IPCC. The work of the IPCC is guided by a set of principles and procedures.

anel takes major decisions at Plenary Sessions of government representatives. A central IPCC Secretariat supports the work
of the IPCC.
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April 1, 2014 3:58pm
muggins

As a matter of no interest,
If Cunliffe = cunners, what does Key =?
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April 1, 2014 3:59pm
griffith

Wingnut

😆

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wing_nut
Urban Dictionary: wingnut
http://www.urbandictionary.com › define‎
n. An outspoken, irrational person with deeply-held, nominally conservative, political views. A person who chooses on principle to be flagrantly ig…
What does wingnut mean? wingnut Definition. Meaning of wingnut …
onlineslangdictionary.com › meaning-definition-of‎
This Slang page is designed to explain what the meaning of wingnut is. The slang word / phrase / acronym wingnut means… . Online Slang Dictionary. A list of …
Wingnut (politics) – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki‎
The New York Times’ David M. Herszenhorn has defined a “wing nut” as “a loud darling of cable television and talk radio whose remarks are outrageous but …
http://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary‎
a piece of metal that has a hole in the center and two projecting parts and that you can screw onto a bolt by using your fingers …
wing nut:
http://www.alphadictionary.com › goodword › word‎
The political meaning is odd since it makes sense in reference to any extremist, that is, a right-wing nut or a left-wing nut. However, it is used almost exclusively …

Being a wingnut requires a particularly paranoid worldview, teetering on the edge of or falling wholesale into tinfoil hat territory, as wingnuttery causes the victim to refuse to accept any source of information that doesn’t back up their prejudices (essentially, wingnuts are almost always authoritarian as well as being politically right-wing). Constant gibbering about the “liberal media” as well as a slavish devotion to cognitive dissonance, conspiracy theories, global warming denialism, psychological projection, and crackpot theories of economics (i.e. Austrian school) are also, if not required, at the very least nearly universal symptoms. This is all usually accompanied by a side dish of a severe persecution complex. Not all wingnuts are racists or misogynists, though many racists and misogynists are also wingnuts.

Unfortunately, in the United States, that seems all the more common every day.
[edit] See also

Moonbat, the wingnut’s left-leaning counterpart.
Abstinence programs
Glenn Beck
Flat Earth Society
Fox News
Sarah Palin
Tea Party movement
Townhall.com
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April 1, 2014 4:05pm
UglyTruth

Consider context and if the comment was humor.!

Possibly it was humour or maybe an attempt to make conspiracy theorists look stupid.

Diego Garcia is still the best location for a conspiracy scenario IMO.
Also recently the twin of the 777 airliner that disappeared was found in Israel, where it had been in storage.
No coincidence that they closed all their embassies IMO.
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April 1, 2014 4:07pm
mikenmild

You haven’t just recently discovered RationalWiki, have you griffith? You seem to be quoting it quite often.
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April 1, 2014 4:08pm
igm

Wonderful PI ministers see Labour for the deviant, secular, diseases they are, and represent. Let “Tojo” and his rainbow room weirdos languish in opposition for at least three more terms, then they may see that voters want real people, not fairies, half women and men. They also want people with guts, not limp wristed tossers and failed businessmen such as Parker.
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April 1, 2014 4:09pm
Rowan

I laughed when Australia were humiliated by India and bowled out for 80 odd getting themselves eliminated from the tournament, but NZs capitulation against India is just embarrassing, all out for 60! Kane Williamson scores 42 and the rest of the batsman combine for a grand total of 18 runs! thats just sad, I suppose Englands humiliation against the Dutch puts it into perspective, sometimes the rub of the green just doesn’t go your way.
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April 1, 2014 4:12pm
mikenmild

Pretty much just a lottery anyway that 20/20 stuff.
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April 1, 2014 4:17pm
Manolo

Well done that man:
A British sniper killed five Taliban insurgents and a would-be suicide bomber in Afghanistan with one bullet, the British Ministry of Defence says.

The 20-year-old marksman, a lance corporal in the Coldstream Guards, hit the trigger switch of the device from 930 metres away, causing the bomb to explode.

The blast killed the would-be bomber and five men around him, a Defence spokesman said.
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April 1, 2014 4:31pm
griffith

No mike.
It’s the old point out the reality for others to see and judge trick.

Like quoting
http://www.angelfire.com/or/sociologyshop/lazlong.html

Others words are some times far more powerful

….. I think I attribute.
(Link cite respect mana)
to well argued points that are valuable for others to be exposed to.
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April 1, 2014 4:42pm
Reid

Something that will be news only to the useful idiots who haven’t bothered to familiarise themselves with the event and who are so appallingly dumb they still won’t believe it even when they watch the video of the Senator who chaired the committee into 911 telling them this is what really happened.

Former US Senator Bob Graham, who served as chair of the congressional joint committee on 9/11, says a committee’s report on the role of Saudi Arabia in the attacks and its financial support has been kept secret.

“There were 28 pages in the final report, out of over 800 total, which were totally censored from–that were one to the end of that chapter. That was the chapter that largely dealt with the financing of 9/11, who paid for these very complex and in many instances expensive activities that were the predicate for 9/11,” Graham told The Real News Network.

He said unfortunately the United States will continue to keep the report secret. “I am sad to report that today, some 12 years after we submitted our report, that those 28 pages continue to be withheld from the public,” he said.

Graham added that he was shocked by the fact that the US intelligence is keeping the report secret simply because it claims its disclosure would hurt the national security of the US. “I was stunned that the intelligence community would feel that it was a threat to national security for the American people to know who had made 9/11 financially possible.”

The former senator also said greater awareness of Saudi Arabia would change the way the US public view that country.

And yet still the profoundly dim useful idiots will continue to insist it was done by some guy in a cave in Afghanistan, even when the morons know all the hijackers were in fact from the country whose involvement is being suppressed by the US intelligence and political communities, which will of course mean absolutely nothing whatsoever of any significance at all, to this gaggle of galloping mentals.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/31/356673/report-on-saudi-role-in-911-kept-secret/
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April 1, 2014 4:50pm
mikenmild

Wasn’t the guy in the cave from Saudi Arabia anyway?
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April 1, 2014 4:51pm
griffith

The short Reid.
Saudi.

The long.
your dollar at the pump.

edit snap
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April 1, 2014 4:53pm
UglyTruth

This is significant in the context of the “nuke the russians” quote from Yulia Tymoshenko’s wiretap. Tymoshenko has been called the arch-rival of Viktor Yanukovych.

Pando has confirmed that the American government – in the form of the US Agency for International Development (USAID) – played a major role in funding opposition groups prior to the revolution. Moreover, a large percentage of the rest of the funding to those same groups came from a US billionaire who has previously worked closely with US government agencies to further his own business interests. This was by no means a US-backed “coup,” but clear evidence shows that US investment was a force multiplier for many of the groups involved in overthrowing Yanukovych.

http://pando.com/2014/02/28/pierre-omidyar-co-funded-ukraine-revolution-groups-with-us-government-documents-show/
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April 1, 2014 5:08pm
Reid

clear evidence shows that US investment was a force multiplier for many of the groups involved in overthrowing Yanukovych

Careful UT, you’ll startle the useful idiots. Just don’t start telling us that George Soros doesn’t really believe in democwacy and fweedom, that would definitely cause gweat distwess in their widdle tummies.
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April 1, 2014 5:14pm
UglyTruth

LOL
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April 1, 2014 5:25pm
Lucia Maria

36% of $500,000 is peanuts compared to the billions that the previous President of Ukraine has disappeared. That’s a much bigger conspiracy. But, yeah, whatever. What do I know, I’m a “useful idiot”, aren’t I Reid?
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April 1, 2014 6:09pm
wikiriwhis business

Five things politicians will never tell you about the economy

The economy. Us here at Truthloader will be the first ones to admit that we have quite a bit of trouble understanding it. But if we’ve learnt anything in recent years, it’s that politicians quite like it that way. Because if us, the voters, really understood what was going on then we might try and do something about it. So we’ve teamed up with the people behind the YouTube channel Renegade Economist and award-winning film “Four Horsemen” to try and shine some light on what it is that the politicians are keeping from us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwE9Jo6u3sg

Very good expose of banks and govts. Neo classical economics used by govts is totally useless
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April 1, 2014 6:12pm
wikiriwhis business

The National Party supports economic predators (goldman Sachs etc) as opposed to producers who bring prosperity
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April 1, 2014 6:20pm
wikiriwhis business

Gold expert Jim Sinclair is issuing a warning of a massive downside risk to U.S. sanctions against Russia. Sinclair says watch the “struggling dollar” and Russia accepting any currency for oil and natural gas. Sinclair explains, “It’s struggling . . . because it smells the real teeth of retaliation for sanctions being in the simple acceptance of any currency whatsoever for payment for gas to Europe. Believe me, they will settle in other currencies. . . . It makes energy cheaper. Why in the world would anyone want to pay in dollars if they can pay in their own currency? Russia could retaliate in a way that would have phenomenal impact on the U.S. dollar. . . . Russia has the upper hand. They have it in their ability to turn the U.S. economy upside down and into collapse. There is no question whatsoever. Putin doesn’t need a nuclear bomb. He has a nuclear economic bomb that he can set off at any time.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXGPzDq45gM
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April 1, 2014 6:21pm
Andrei

Lol – this Ukraine business has to be the biggest foreign policy blunder the USA has made since the Gulf of Tonkin incident

They’ve broken Ukraine with their meddling, it will be gone as a Nation within less than a decade.

They’ve saddled American and European taxpayers with a huge bailout bill, money which will go to bankers and ironically some to Russia as well – not to the poor Ukrainian citizens who will continue to suffer even greater deprivations.

Meanwhile while they are blustering Vladimir Putin has deftly purloined Crimea and taken it to Mother Russia’s bosom 🙂

And not matter how much John Kerry huffs and puffs Vladimir Vladimirovich is not going to give it back.
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April 1, 2014 6:25pm
Lucia Maria

I just had a phone call from a company in the Wellington Region called “Kiwi Heat”, wanting to send people around for a free evaluation of my insulation in the house. I can’t find them anywhere on the internet. Anyway, this was my second call, and I told the woman that I wasn’t interested and that she was the second person that had phoned me this afternoon. Her response was to tell me that I was wrong, that she hadn’t phoned me, and that she was the only person from the company with my number and then she hung up on me.

So watch out for these people, may they’re some sort of scam or maybe their operators are just badly trained.
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April 1, 2014 6:27pm
wikiriwhis business

Fraud expert and former regulator Professor William Black says, “Even today, we are well into 2014, and the Department of Justice record is intact. There have been zero prosecutions of the elite officers who led the epic epidemic of fraud. It was the most destructive in world history, zero of them even unsuccessfully prosecuted, much less prosecuted.”

What is the result of massive rampant unprosecuted fraud? Professor Black says, “If you don’t have any accountability, you not only make certain that there is going to be a next blow-up, but it will be worse. . . . We have effectively removed the criminal laws for a particular elite class of frauds.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn5JclFHglc
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April 1, 2014 6:31pm
ShawnLH

“They’ve broken Ukraine with their meddling, it will be gone as a Nation within less than a decade.”

No, that would be Russian fascist nutjob Putin who broke the Ukraine because they refused to let his corrupt and criminal puppet enslave them to Putin’s racial Slavic empire.

But Russians are not the worlds brightest people as a rule. Putin just takes his shirt off and half the country goes weak at the knees. Pathetic.
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April 1, 2014 6:31pm
Andrei

No, that would be Russian fascist nutjob Putin who broke the Ukraine because they refused to let his corrupt and criminal puppet enslave them to Putin’s racial Slavic empire.

But Russians are not the worlds brightest people as a rule. Putin just takes his shirt off and half the country goes weak at the knees. Pathetic.

ROFLMAO – more impotent fizzing at the mouth

Vladimir Putin is running rings around Obama and Kerry – and everybody else.

The way he has taken Crimea is almost astonishing in its brilliance and audacity.

You probably recognize this deep down but hiding from it yourself makes you steam at the ears and pound out indignant posts
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April 1, 2014 6:43pm
UglyTruth

http://thefreedomreport.us/kerry-implicated-turkey-false-flag-using-alqaeda-start-war-syria/

Hakan Fidan: If necessary, we can make an attack there (Tomb of Suleyman Sah) as well, there too, we attack preemptively. We can do, I mean, I am trying to understand.

SEVENTH SCREEN:

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: We have done these before, these can be done of course. We can make it done,

Hakan Fidan: I mean, if we are ready to use that thing, in correct time and place, let us do it with a purpose determined by us.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: Hakan, as you said, if what you mean is a lack of strategy in fabricating a justification, you are right. Against these men…

An officer: Sir, without that happening-

Ahmet Davutoğlu: Yes, we will pass on to that okay take it and I am coming. You cannot say to the US Secretary of State, “we need to take strong measures.”
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April 1, 2014 6:44pm
Reid

No, that would be Russian fascist nutjob Putin who broke the Ukraine because they refused to let his corrupt and criminal puppet enslave them to Putin’s racial Slavic empire.

No that would be Obama who clumsily performed probably the most poorly executed colour revolution in the long lamentable history of that genre on Ukraine in order to bring Ukraine into NATO (in direct violation of the agreement made when the USSR broke up), kick the Russian Navy out of Sevastopol and install nukes in Russia’s backyard.

I mean if this was Russia doing this to Mexico, you useful idiots Shawn would be bleating like hysterical schoolgirls at the blatant naked transparent foolish outrageous unnecessary dangerous aggression that Russia was displaying – if it had done that.

But instead the US does exactly that, and you and your gaggle of galloping mental Foxtards completely miss what’s really going on, again, and hallucinate it’s Russia whose behaving badly. Talk about dumb.

I’m amazed you’re even brainy enough to hook yourself up to the interweb. Seriously.
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April 1, 2014 6:45pm
Lucia Maria

Meanwhile, Conflict with Russia galvanizes Ukraine’s identity:

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — He’s one of Russia’s favorite doctors, the author of books read by parents from Moscow to Siberia. And he lives in eastern Ukraine where the Russian language is dominant and ties to Russia strong.

But when Russia seized control of Crimea, Yevgeny Komarovsky sent this blunt message to the Russian people: We Ukrainians are a nation of our own.

“Don’t impose peace on us,” Komarovsky told his fans in Russia, many of whom used his books to raise their children, in a video that received nearly 1.2 million views on YouTube.

The appeal for an independent and united Ukraine by the Russian-speaking Komarovsky underscored Ukraine’s distinct national identity, and belied Russian President Vladimir Putin’s claim that Ukraine is part of the Russian family. In fact, Russia’s invasion — which Putin justifies by saying he needs to protect Russian speakers — has fueled a surge of patriotism among a great many Ukrainians, whatever their language.

These feelings of unity are underpinned by a sense of fragility stemming from being a country that has for centuries been dominated by great empires to the east and west. And from folklore to ancestral traditions, Ukraine has shown itself to possess a distinct identity.

The Ukrainian national consciousness is steeped in love of one’s land and the quest for survival. The challenge simply to stay whole is as acute as ever today after Russia annexed Ukraine’s strategic Crimean Peninsula, stoking fears that the Kremlin is planning to invade more Russian-speaking eastern territories.

Ukraine, a land the size of France with a population of 46 million, has historically been a massive prize in the heart of Europe. The site of the ancient Slavic state, the Kievan Rus, it was the regional cradle of Orthodox Christianity. Over centuries, parts of Ukraine have belonged to Poland, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Russia and the Soviet Union.

Ukraine is also a land steeped in 20th century tragedy — conflict so traumatic that one historian has called Ukraine “Bloodland.” The litany of calamities include the Bolshevik revolution and ensuing civil war that brought Ukraine into the Soviet Union; a devastating famine engineered by Soviet dictator Josef Stalin that killed millions of Ukrainians; Stalin’s purges that targeted Ukraine’s intellectual elite; invasion by Hitler and the murder of more than 1 million of Ukrainian Jews in the Holocaust.

Ukraine became independent in the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union. It has since struggled to define its relationship to the world as well its ideology, shifting between aspirations to be a Western state that belongs in the European Union, or a post-Soviet republic that tilts toward Russia.

Ethnic, cultural, linguistic and religious similarities between Ukrainians and Russians — as well as centuries of shared history — have prompted Russian President Vladimir Putin to claim that the two nations are in fact one.

But to most Ukrainians, as well as scholars and historians, that is simply not true.

Komarovsky, who writes best-selling books on pediatrics that fight Soviet-era stereotypes such as a purported need to overfeed and overclothe children, said Putin in fact woke some Ukrainians up to the reality of who they are as a people.

“Nobody has done as much for the country’s unity as Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin,” said Komarovsky.

In the Russia-friendly eastern city of Donetsk, sales clerk Tetyana Ryabchenko, 58, said she was deeply hurt by Russia. “A lot of Ukrainians have changed their attitude toward Russia,” Ryabchenko said. “One should look at the Russians’ deeds, not words. And the deeds are horrible.”

Pollsters support the view that Russia’s invasion has fostered Ukrainian unity and identity.

Mykhailo Mishchenko of the Razumkov Center in Kiev said that Russia’s takeover of Crimea and the threat of further incursion have fueled patriotism throughout the country.

“Views have changed, pro-Ukrainian sentiment has risen,” Mishchenko said. “In this conflict between Ukraine and Russia, the predominant position is in support of Ukraine. Negative views toward the actions of the Russian leadership are clearly pronounced.”

Ukrainians are also largely united by a strong independence streak that makes them suspicious of authoritarian rulers — especially rulers from afar.

“It’s a freedom-loving, rebellious spirit that will always remind its leaders that they are temporary and if we want to, we will oust them,” said Volodymyr Yermolenko, who teaches philosophy at the Kyiv Mohyla Academy in the Ukrainian capital.

Folklore may be one indication of the differences between traditional Russian and Ukrainian mindsets.

In a popular Russian folk tale, a childless old couple transforms a dough-boy into their son. When the creature — called Kolobok — disobeys his parents and runs away, he gets eaten by a fox. In a similar Ukrainian tale, Ivasyk Telesyk, a boy who materialized from a piece of wood, is also separated from his parents through a twist of fate, but manages to escape an evil snake and return home.

“Ukraine is one big country in defiance,” said Andriy Bondar, a modern Ukrainian writer. “Ukrainians are the most stubborn people in the world. … The Kolobok ending is not for us.”

The most prominent literary figures in Ukraine and Russia also embody the differences. Russia’s great poet Aleksandr Pushkin preached liberty in his poems, but his family owned serfs. Ukraine’s national symbol, the renowned poet Taras Shevchenko, was born a serf himself.

Having long specialized in agriculture and boasting some of Europe’s most fertile soil, Ukrainians also have strong ties to their land.

Last spring, nearly 60 percent of Ukrainians planted potatoes on their personal plots, according to a poll conducted by the Razumkov Center. For many, growing food is just a way of getting by; for others, it’s a tribute to ancestral traditions.

“The national ethos is this hard-working, honest peasant attached to the land,” said Catherine Wanner, professor of history, anthropology and religious studies at Penn State University, who wrote a book about Ukraine’s identity. “Part of the distinction (from Russians) is not wanting to be a colony, but also not wanting to be an imperial power.”

The Russian national anthem glorifies Russia’s might and grandeur. The Ukrainian anthem dreams of expelling enemies and finally being masters of their own land. In fact the central message of Ukraine’s anthem is: Freedom is not dead yet.

Some in Ukraine’s Russian-speaking east and south do feel nostalgic for the Soviet past. And many cherish ties with Russia, both economic and cultural.

But that does not make them Russian, argues Penn State’s Wanner.

“Most people, regardless of which language is their first language, regardless of where they were born, nonetheless feel some kind of an attachment to the place where they live,” Wanner said.

“And that’s Ukraine.”

I normally don’t post entire articles, but this one’s worth it.
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April 1, 2014 6:54pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

Hello!! Where you think the term, “useful idiot” originated? Hint: look towards Russia.
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April 1, 2014 7:01pm
ShawnLH

“I’m amazed you’re even brainy enough to hook yourself up to the interweb. Seriously.”

Reid, trust me son, believing the world is run by alien lizard people in cahoots with Jews and Freemasons is clearly a sign of monumental stupidity.
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April 1, 2014 7:08pm
EAD

Dr Boom, Gloom & Doom Marc Faber tells a Melbourne investment conference that a New World Order is fast approaching:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-31/mark-faber-old-world-order-over

He argues that the current 43 year debt super-cycle is nearing the end and when the tide goes out we will see who was swimming naked.

He argues the West has in the main used these eye-watering levels of debt to fuel consumption, pump up asset prices and make promises to their electorates that mathematically cannnot be kept while the East has used the debt to invest in factories, plant i.e. investments that generated wealth and is not stuck with the dead hand of democratic socialism.

He leaves with these wise words “remember consumption doesn’t create a strong economy. ‘Wealth doesn’t come from consumerism, it comes from capital spending, the balance of power will start to shift more rapidly towards emerging countries after the fast approaching financial crisis”
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April 1, 2014 7:43pm
griffith

The rise of the middle class is the direct result of the growth

history tells us a strong middle class leads to revolt if their wants start being denied.

China is balancing on a knife-edge of excessive exponential growth or bubble collapse whilst struggling under the gremlin of the middle class growing on the regimes back.
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April 1, 2014 7:55pm
greybeard

Dirty Harry:
I know this is a very late comment to make about your posting, but never mind.
When this article about the $400,000 “taonga” sale appeared on Stuff , I ( along with a lot of other readers ) posted comments of various sorts.
About an hour after the article appeared, the comments were removed. Obviously the parties involved ( i.e. the Love family ) had complained about the tenor of the comments, which as I recall were mainly scathing of the proposed sale process.
The Stuff editors succumbed, as was to be expected.
My own comment on this event was :
“Remove it from Te Papa
Sell it to Puke Ariki
Spend all the money
Demand it back from Puke Ariki”.
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April 1, 2014 7:57pm
nasska

Two women are tramping in the bush. After an hour or so, they come to a stream. Unable to cross, they decide to walk along the stream and look for a narrower place.
Fortunately they come to an old bridge spanning the stream. Deciding the bridge safe, the two women proceed to cross.
Halfway across, one woman stops and says to the other, “I’ve always wanted to be like the guys, and urinate off a bridge.”
The other woman looks around and says, “Well, I don’t see anyone around, now’s your chance!”
The first woman drops her hiking shorts and backs over to the side of the bridge. As she begins to urinate, she looks over her shoulder. “Holy shit!” she exclaims, “I just pissed in a canoe!”
Alarmed, the second woman hurries over, and peeks at the stream.
“Calm down,” she says. “That wasn’t a canoe you pissed in, it was only your reflection.”
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April 1, 2014 8:00pm
griffith

Those who sell it blow the money on bread and circus for the bros

Who will then claim as tribal hapu they want the treasure, land, smoked skull or whatever back.

Its been going on for …..

since the whalers and sealers first arrived here.
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April 1, 2014 8:06pm
nasska

Reid

Things have gone a bit quiet on Fukushima over the last couple of months…..have you seen anything new anywhere online?
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April 1, 2014 8:11pm
Johnboy

That was last week on the Tauherinikau swing bridge nasska. I was disguised as that canoe! 🙂
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April 1, 2014 8:17pm
nasska

How was the water JB? 🙂
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April 1, 2014 8:20pm
griffith

Amazing what some well placed gutted road kill hedgepig can do to disguise a man JB.

Always thought bake the little sods in clay sounded yummy with the right seasoning and enough mutton fat.
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April 1, 2014 8:23pm
Johnboy

I thought I was in the ocean not a river nasska as what I spotted looked a lot like a green lipped Mussel! 🙂
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April 1, 2014 8:30pm
Johnboy

What thread is the “MH370 parked up under the Faraday shielded hanger on Diego Garcia”.. on tonight? 🙂
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April 1, 2014 8:32pm
Viking2

Golden shower then JB? 😆
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April 1, 2014 8:34pm
mikenmild

Ugly is yet to give us an update on that one, Johnboy.
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April 1, 2014 8:34pm
ShawnLH

While Reid and some other Putin ass kissers are always banging on about Israel they are strangely silent about this:

Russian War Crimes in Georgia.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7F75FA3703286C23
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April 1, 2014 8:34pm
Viking2

found it for you JB.

http://screencast.com/t/OBXHBvVBZOaK
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April 1, 2014 8:37pm
mandk

I case you haven’t come across him, do take a look at this show reel of work by Mark Gee. He does a lot of his work in and around Wellington. It’s breathtakingly beautiful.

http://vimeo.com/72533613
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April 1, 2014 8:42pm
Andrei

Um Shawn the soldiers in that video are Georgians.

As you might recall Georgia launched a surprise attack on Tskhinval(i) in 2008 during the opening of the Olympics as it happens.

Russia responded by kicking their asses.

Update: I see its a play list but the person who put it together didn’t realize they had a video that contradicted their case as the very first one 🙂
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April 1, 2014 9:00pm
nasska

I reckon this caption writer got it about right. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zuyf7x7u3zi1xib/Parenting%201.jpg
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April 1, 2014 9:04pm
cha

The way he has taken Crimea is almost astonishing in its brilliance and audacity.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140319/188544777/Crimean-Tatars-Will-Have-to-Vacate-Land–Official.html

https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/commentaryanalysis/540777-another-genocide-has-started-already

http://www.iccrimea.org/scholarly/jopohl.html
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April 1, 2014 9:04pm
Viking2

Have a look at this video. Stunning night sky around Wellington and wairarapa like you have never seen it.

http://vimeo.com/72533613
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April 1, 2014 9:05pm
Johnboy

Understandable Andrei. You Russki’s all look and sound the same to us civilised folk! 🙂
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April 1, 2014 9:06pm
Viking2

Sheep shaggers are not what we cultured ones would call civilized, JB.
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April 1, 2014 9:08pm
Reid

Reid, trust me son, believing the world is run by alien lizard people in cahoots with Jews and Freemasons is clearly a sign of monumental stupidity.

Crikey Shawn it’s bloody lucky I don’t believe that then, isn’t it. Of course if gaggles of galloping mentals pretend that I do, what on earth can I do about them other than just let them continue to blunder with their lips?

Russian War Crimes in Georgia.

Why would anyone believe a link from a Foxtard Shawn and I see Andrei’s already corrected you anyway. Shoot yourself in the foot eh? Ouch. That reminded me BTW of the heroic videos from Tel Aviv as the brave IDF soldiers unleashed yet another volley of white phosphorus artillery on the dangerous Palestinian unarmed civilians. Foxtards liked that, didn’t you.
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April 1, 2014 9:08pm
Johnboy

That first image isn’t nasska lying naked on his back in his home paddock using a torch to highlight his willy is it V2? 🙂
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April 1, 2014 9:10pm
nasska

Late at night when the Welsh do sleep.

Bring mouse to screen & talk of sheep!
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April 1, 2014 9:10pm
nasska

I knew I’d seen that image somewhere before JB. 🙂
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April 1, 2014 9:12pm
Johnboy

I’ve seen that fat tart and her sprog shopping at Countdown Wainui nasska! 🙂
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April 1, 2014 9:13pm
ShawnLH

War crimes Chechnya mass grave victims footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyDNtMojVF4
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April 1, 2014 9:16pm
Reid

nasska here’s something for you on Fukushima.

http://enenews.com/reports-has-fukushima-radiation-entered-nzs-ecosystem-experts-agree-many-species-of-wildlife-and-fisheries-are-endangered-globally-due-to-large-release-of-radioactivity-into-ocean
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April 1, 2014 9:19pm
ShawnLH

Crimes of the Kremlin – Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa10Y-rn_Kk
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April 1, 2014 9:22pm
Andrei

Does this need explanation Shawn?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07-vg5FayAU
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April 1, 2014 9:23pm
Johnboy

That will make for an interesting Waitangi Tribunal case Reid.

“Evil, colonialist, yellow, rich pricks condemn Tangata Whenua to slow death: ! 🙂
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April 1, 2014 9:23pm
Reid

War crimes Chechnya mass grave victims footage and Crimes of the Kremlin – Russia

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=palestinian+civilian+casualties+images&num=100&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=A3c6U_aUEY7QkQWIl4CIDw&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1422&bih=1067&dpr=0.9

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=iraq+civilian+casualties+images&num=100&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=YXc6U5GOCsjakAWXgYGQBA&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1422&bih=1067&dpr=0.9

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=afghanistan+civilian+casualties+images&num=100&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=hHc6U–BF8vTkgWTz4GQAw&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1422&bih=1067&dpr=0.9

etc.

“Evil, colonialist, yellow, rich pricks condemn Tangata Whenua to slow death: !

Exactly Johnboy, and they’re weally weally wacist as I understand it. Let’s hope Hone gets all angry and challenges the local sumo champion to a cage fight or something. I wouldn’t be surprised, especially with Annette egging him on.
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April 1, 2014 9:23pm
ShawnLH

Revealed: Russia’s worst war crime in Chechnya

Vladimir Putin is the new hero of Russian democracy, courted by Western leaders. He is also responsible for one of the most savage atrocities since the Second World War. John Sweeney is the first journalist to reach the devastated village of Katyr Yurt, where 363 people were slaughtered by Russian forces”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/mar/05/russia.chechnya

“Why would anyone believe a link from a Foxtard Shawn and I see Andrei’s already corrected you anyway. ”

He watched one out of a playlist. Very conveniant.

Reid your always wanking on about “evidence” and “facts” but clearly only see what you want to see.

The list of war crimes under Putin, including against his own people, is extensive and well documented. Yet you want us to believe he’s a hero above reproach, while banging on about Israel.

Yet the brave Russian army (yeah right) is guilty of horrific war crimes in Georgia and especially Chechnya.

Face it Reid, your a hypocrite who only sees what you want to see.
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April 1, 2014 9:30pm
nasska

Reid

Thanks. A link from that page led to an article on the physical condition of migratory birds returning from the Northern Hemisphere.

Ref: http://enenews.com/unusual-event-birds-returning-fukushima-area-troubling-symptoms-ive-never-birds-poor-condition-new-zealand-appear-able-find-food-north-pacific

It doesn’t look good.
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April 1, 2014 9:30pm
Johnboy

Weren’t Ngapuhi traditional Whale hunters once Reid? I seem to remember it from somewhere…damned Alzheimer’s. 🙂
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April 1, 2014 9:31pm
Reid

It doesn’t look good.

No mate. The real worry is the Western Pacific desert that mariners are reporting. What the hell are the Asians going to do if the fish supplies dry up?

Weren’t Ngapuhi traditional Whale hunters once Reid?

Wasn’t the bloke in Moby Dick from Ngapuhi?

Face it Reid, your a hypocrite who only sees what you want to see.

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=palestinian+civilian+casualties+images&num=100&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=A3c6U_aUEY7QkQWIl4CIDw&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1422&bih=1067&dpr=0.9

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=iraq+civilian+casualties+images&num=100&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=YXc6U5GOCsjakAWXgYGQBA&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1422&bih=1067&dpr=0.9

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=afghanistan+civilian+casualties+images&num=100&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=hHc6U–BF8vTkgWTz4GQAw&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1422&bih=1067&dpr=0.9

etc.

Face it Shawn, you’re a hypocrite who can’t punctuate properly and who only sees what you want to see.
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April 1, 2014 9:34pm
Andrei

You are not doing very well tonight Shawn

Revealed: Russia’s worst war crime in Chechnya

That link dates back to the second Chechen war and before Vladimir Putin became President.

Vladimir Putin ended the second Chechen war a very long time ago.

And I watched the first video in your playlist, saw how badly the compiler had screwed up, laughed and moved on
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April 1, 2014 9:40pm
Johnboy

He does bear a striking resemblance to Hone come to think of it Reid! 🙂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Queequeg.JPG
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April 1, 2014 9:40pm
ShawnLH

Palestinian Crimes against Christian Arabs and Their Manipulation against Israel

http://jcpa.org/article/palestinian-crimes-against-christian-arabs-and-their-manipulation-against-israel/

Critics of Israel Silent as Arabs Starve Palestinians

http://www.the-american-interest.com/blog/2014/01/15/critics-of-israel-silent-as-arabs-starve-palestinians/
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April 1, 2014 9:41pm
ShawnLH

“Vladimir Putin ended the second Chechen war a very long time ago.”

So Chechnya is a free and independent country now?

RUSSIAN TERROR IN CHECHNYA

http://www.russian-terror-in–chechnya.blogspot.co.nz/

Take a look at these pictures and see what Russia did to “end” the war.
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April 1, 2014 9:46pm
cha

Is the semi-literate cretin back?.
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April 1, 2014 9:46pm
griffith

Ever shot a sight v2?

Computed one to a 5nm position on a chart

Navigated across the 1600 km of leaving Erewhon and back

Seen the green flash

Nights on end alone with the whole sky

No other lights stronger than the end of your salty damp ciggy.

The faint background glow of the subdued electronics in the closed wheel house.

Glimpsed thought the top of shutters

Phosphorescence in the wake

All else is gone no reference point.save the huge black clear bowl of steady lights that almost surrounds you

And the living craeck grone and flutter of the contraptions that power you?

Once you have lived that a movie loses its charms.

So does culture.

😆
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April 1, 2014 9:48pm
Reid

A question to throw out for consideration related to Fukushima.

Why has China built all those empty cities? As in, not just one or two buildings, but entire cities that are completely empty?

Tokyo is around 80km from Fukushima.

If they can’t contain Fukushima and the radiation gets into the water table they will certainly have to evacuate Tokyo and they may have to evacuate Northern Japan.

Where are they going to go?

And if in years to come they do move into those currently empty cities, how did they know to build them before Fukushima even happened?

It may or may not happen, I’m not saying it will and I’m not saying it won’t. I’m merely pointing to a possible future that may eventuate given what we know about current circumstances in Fukushima.

BTW, gaggles of galloping morons need not address the question since they’ll get it wrong and hallucinate something entirely different to the words I just used and I can’t be arsed reiterating what I just said simply because some people can’t think straight because their tummies hurt.
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April 1, 2014 9:48pm
ShawnLH

The Putin Murders

http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/

Rape and Other War Crimes in Chechnya: Is There a Role for the International Criminal Court?

https://pi.library.yorku.ca/ojs/index.php/soi/article/view/8002/7153
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April 1, 2014 9:56pm
Andrei

Shawn Mate, Vladimir Putin doesn’t start wars, he doesn’t go around bombing other countries or his own

He inherited the second Chechen war and ended it

He has dealt with a low level Islamic insurgency in the North Caucasus, kept a lid on it for years.

He dealt with Georgia when they launched an unprovoked, surprise, attack on South Ossetia in 2008

and thats it.

How many Countries has the USA Bombed in that time – Afghanistan and Iraq for starters, and then there’s Yemen and Libya as well as drone strikes in Pakistan just from the top of my head – there’s probably more but you get the picture?

Get a grip
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April 1, 2014 10:02pm
ShawnLH

“Vladimir Putin doesn’t start wars.”

he just did with the Ukraine. Russia had zero legal right to invade Crimea. Your Putin colored glasses are showing.

“He inherited the second Chechen war and ended it”

He “ended it” by a massive military campaign that involved horrific crimes against women and children.

“an unprovoked, surprise, attack on South Ossetia in 2008”

Which was part of Georgia not Russia, and Russia was backing separatists who were carrying out attacks against ethnic Georgians.

He has had political enemies imprisoned on trumped up charges and had others murdered.

Putin is a dangerous Neo-Soviet imperialist backed by Russian fascists close to the Kremlin and he is placing the world at risk with his Nazi style notions of uniting all ethnic Russians under one empire.
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April 1, 2014 11:23pm
griffith

Why build shadow city’s capable of taking large numbers of refuges from any source the regime values?

difficult try to second guess chunks unless you know them well

I only know chines well enough to understand why they were called inscrutable.

There are very different cultural tensions at work in the chinese cultures and across asia .
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April 1, 2014 11:38pm
ShawnLH

PUTIN, THE WAR CRIMINAL

“According to international law, Putin is already a war criminal. As Russian president, he committed the crime of aggression described in Resolution 3314, which the UN adopted in 1974. In it, aggression is defined not just by military invasion, but also by blocking maritime ports, sending irregular troops or mercenaries to run military operations against another country, and using armed forces in another country contrary to any agreement regulating their presence there.

Public servants entangled in decision-making processes or the execution of orders are also guilty of crimes against peace. That includes Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, Russian Foreign Affairs Minister Sergei Lavrov, high-ranking military officers, ambassadors, and even civilians such as businessmen and opinion leaders, if they have supported Putin’s interference in Ukraine.

In another words, the war criminals are the very Russians with whom the West must negotiate with to quell this conflict. But for the sake of a bigger and more important cause, their sins must remain an open secret. Negotiations with criminals are always a moral hazard.

For hundreds of years the world has been making small steps towards more civilized relations between countries. It has been replacing military conflict with legal ones, and conditioning the use of force on approval from the international community. If Putin was and is genuinely concerned about the Russian minority in Ukraine, he could have chosen from legal ways to claim their rights. But he didn’t even try. ”

http://www.worldcrunch.com/ukraine-winter/we-will-all-pay-for-crimea-except-for-the-war-criminals/poland-russia-ukraine-crimea-vladimir-putin-/c20s15277/
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