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April 19, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 19 April 2014

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thor42

@wikiriwhis business – Just think about the child anti smacking law. This is where it originated from. ”

One swallow does not make a summer.
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April 19, 2014 2:05pm
mikenmild

wikiriwhis
You realise that anything on forbes.com is likely to be just some unqualified opinion, right? It’s pretty much a blogging site.
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April 19, 2014 2:07pm
Longknives

To all those lefties selling ‘White Poppies’- Why not just go the whole hog and take a big-steaming piss on the Cenotaph on Anzac Day?? You know you want to….
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April 19, 2014 2:07pm
ShawnLH

Watched the Biden vid. Big whoop.

The phrase ‘new world order’ can have multiple meanings. In the context Biden is using the term, he is simply saying that the post-war consensus is no longer suited to the current situation.

The automatic assumption that the phrase reveals a global conspiracy is unfounded.
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April 19, 2014 2:12pm
Rich Prick

I suppose Adern has to take her up-ticks where ever she can, even if they’re from a lefty cheerleader interviewing a PC.
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April 19, 2014 2:30pm
stigie

With Penny not so not paying her rates because she thinks there is corruption in ACC, it makes you wonder whether she thinks there is corruption in her power provider and why they are’nt held accountable.
I dare say if she tried the same embarrassing stunt with her provider….guess what….they would cut her fucking power off !~
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April 19, 2014 2:37pm
Manolo

The same imbeciles of always: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/9958887/Criticism-for-opening-on-Good-Friday

The Green and Labour parties yesterday joined the chorus calling for businesses to respect Easter trading laws.
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April 19, 2014 2:45pm
Manolo

The bastards would do anything for publicity: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Pelosi-assists-in-Holy-Week-foot-washing-ritual-5411553.php
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April 19, 2014 2:46pm
Sidey

The council should just ignore Bright’s rambling demands. The council should be answerable to ratepayers.

By her own admission, she isn’t a ratepayer.
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April 19, 2014 2:46pm
Manolo

By her own admission, she isn’t a ratepayer.

Right. And the corrupt woman is even proud of it!
Miss Dim is just another crook.
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April 19, 2014 2:53pm
UglyTruth

You’re full of shit, Manolo.

All accusations and no evidence.
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April 19, 2014 3:09pm
Sidey

UT,
Until you or your BFF Bright provide proof that she does not use any council services covered by rates, which she has stated she is not paying, then I’m happy to conclude that she is using something she is not entitled to. It’s just not likely that she has voluntarily cut off all services she refuses to pay for. Crook is one word that some may choose to use.
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April 19, 2014 3:14pm
Komata

Manolo

re: ‘The Green and Labour parties yesterday joined the chorus calling for businesses to respect Easter trading laws’.

Considering that the greens and labour either worship gaia (gween) or, as adherents to Marxian theory, don’t believe in the existence of God (labour) much less His son, Jesus Christ (the reason that Easter is celebrated BTW), this does seem just a little hypocritical methinks….
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April 19, 2014 3:15pm
Reid

Celente on the markets, with a bit of comment on the US leadership

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA-qt-IEqs

and Putin’s annual press conference with the Russian people. Think Obama could manage something like that? Watch it and wish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3PyEspLz8UQ
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April 19, 2014 3:45pm
Don the Kiwi

More BS from the IPCC

This week, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) released the third and final section of its massive new climate report. It contains 60 chapters and, by the time the dust settles and the concluding summary is made public in October, will total nearly 7,000 pages.A great deal of time and effort went into the preparation of this report. Years of intellectual and financial resources were consumed by it. So what has the world gained?Is this a credible scientific document? Are its findings trustworthy? Below are three reasons the new IPCC report deserves to be taken with a grain of salt:

1. When the IPCC convicted humanity of triggering dangerous climate change, it acted as investigator, prosecutor, judge, and jury.The IPCC is a United Nations body. In the words of its chairman, Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC’s “main customer” is a UN climate treaty. The politicians who signed that treaty back in 1992 had already decided human activity was harming the climate. The treaty was supposed to keep us safe by reducing the amount of greenhouse gases we emit.

Like the dumb cop in a detective story, the IPCC has always suffered from tunnel vision. It never gave serious consideration to other possible explanations of what was going on with the climate. When your job is to legitimize a UN treaty, you amass evidence that implicates human greenhouse gases, you declare this evidence persuasive, and you insist that bad things will happen if the treaty isn’t strengthened and extended.

2. Scientists are only human. Their judgment can be tainted by environmental activism, and they can be unconsciously seduced by the notion that they’re superheroes saving the planet.The IPCC has a long history of recruiting personnel with close links to activist organizations such as Greenpeace and the WWF. Despite an embarrassing scandal involving an incorrect WWF document and the melting of Himalayan glaciers last time around, this new IPCC report also treats WWF-produced literature as reliable evidence.When it released part two of its report at a meeting in Japan last month, the IPCC produced a blatantly activist brochure that talks about delivering “Hope for our Earth,” and of “Saving the planet for future generations.”When scientists join bandwagons rather than remaining scrupulously objective, they undermine their own credibility.

3. It is both fair and appropriate to judge an organization by it leader. The IPCC has been led, for the past 12 years, by a man who does not inspire confidence.For decades, Rajendra Pachauri incorrectly claimed he’d earned two PhDs. Only in the past year, and only due to persistent inquires on the part of Australian journalist Tony Thomas, was his CV fixed.When the IPCC – as an organization – was awarded half of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize, Pachauri sent an e-mail to thousands of IPCC affiliated scientists mistakenly telling them “this makes each of you Nobel Laureates.” The IPCC later issued a formal statement admitting that it is improper for any IPCC-linked individuals to be described in this manner.

Pachauri has repeatedly made statements about the qualifications of IPCC personnel and about the material on which the IPCC relies that have been shown to wrong.Taken together, the picture that emerges is of a man prone to exaggeration and careless with the truth. No organization with such an individual at its helm should be surprised when its conclusions are greeted with skepticism.

Canadian investigative journalist Donna Laframboise is the author of two books about the IPCC. She blogs at NoFrakkingConsensus.com
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April 19, 2014 4:34pm
Rowan

Yawn
To the retard @ 8.45 am
Old news, you are just a bore, the ramblings of a corrupt incompetent fraud i.e. Guest (and yourself) have nothing to do with the defamation case which is now over. Some people will never learn, and will be wishing that they kept their big mouth shut long before they got themselves into their current bankrupted situation. Isn’t it ironic that Kent was willing to put everything he had on the line to try and influence an outcome that he had no say or control over. Sad that his cult who promised him money have abandoned ship, shows what utter scumbags they really are. Why someone would invest so much in trying to ‘prove’ the train wreck of the crown case and protect the image of a murdering kiddy fiddler, that they never knew is beyond me! but hey thats JFRB for you!
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April 19, 2014 4:38pm
UglyTruth

Until you or your BFF Bright provide proof that she does not use any council services covered by rates, which she has stated she is not paying, then I’m happy to conclude that she is using something she is not entitled to.

Sidey, you are free to conclude anything you like. The burden of proof belongs to Manolo, since he made the accusation.
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April 19, 2014 4:53pm
Reid

UT out of interest did you pick up that link I dropped you yesterday?

Here you go if not anyway: last is best.

http://www.spirit.kauwila.net/wordpress_kauilapele/Mark_Gorton_217465422-Coup-of-63-50th-Anniversary-E-mail-Draft.pdf

http://www.spirit.kauwila.net/wordpress_kauilapele/Mark_Gorton_217465423-The-Cabal.pdf

http://www.spirit.kauwila.net/wordpress_kauilapele/Mark_Gorton_217465424-Fifty-Years-of-the-Deep-State.pdf
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April 19, 2014 4:58pm
stigie

The proof Ugly is that she is not a fucking ratepayer !!
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April 19, 2014 4:58pm
UglyTruth

The proof Ugly is that she is not a fucking ratepayer !!

Lots of people are not ratepayers. It doesn’t make them corrupt or crooks.
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April 19, 2014 5:08pm
UglyTruth

Reid, I’m reading Gorton’s deep state now. So far so good.
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April 19, 2014 5:15pm
Longknives

Rowan rambling on about ‘Defamation’ then making comments like “…a murdering kiddy fiddler” is irony at it’s finest….
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April 19, 2014 5:17pm
Reid

Lots of people are not ratepayers. It doesn’t make them corrupt or crooks.

It doesn’t make them correct either UT. While I admire Penny for making a stand on principle as she explained yesterday, this doesn’t IMO justify abrogating your collective responsibility in this case. If the ACC were manufacturing arms or doing other evil with ratepayer money, that would be different. But they’re not. Well, apart from paying Len his salary they’re not.

Sure, she has a principled point based on what she explained last night as to transparency in the public monies. But that point can be made in ways other than what she’s doing since she is causing others harm by not bearing her share of the load whilst making said point. She may argue it’s a big faceless corporation so what harm is accruing, but that’s not the point since whatever one does in points of principle should be replicable by others and if everyone did what she’s doing then the city would grind to a halt. And like I said, if the purpose is to stop it from doing evil then fine, but her point is not that purpose it’s merely to make ACC comply with public transparency. Still a valid point, but comparatively minor.
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April 19, 2014 5:21pm
Johnboy

JAFA’s should all vote for Penny next elections. They’ll never get a rates bill again! 🙂
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April 19, 2014 5:27pm
Johnboy

They won’t need to buy a Gym for her at least, she has wonderful biceps! 🙂
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April 19, 2014 5:28pm
wat dabney

Penny’s problem is that she’s dealing with a monopoly.

Unlike a free market, where consumers are sovereign and can switch to the producers and suppliers of their choice, with a monopoly you are totally screwed.

This is why the state should be as small as practicable, so that this situation arises as little as possible.

Hence hospitals and schools etc should all be private enterprises.

On the other hand, since Penny is a statist thug who campaigns for ever more such monopoly control our lives, fuck her. Hoist with her own petard. You love the thuggish state so much, you bloody well pay for it love.
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April 19, 2014 5:31pm
Don the Kiwi

Speaking from personal experience, Johnboy? 🙂
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April 19, 2014 5:37pm
Johnboy

Not at all Don.

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=penny+bright&biw=1512&bih=904&tbm=isch&imgil=xny-d2GfzfLVZM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcS9xWcmQejJwREdHCm-GS-S5fm0Y92e76dW_06tPv8hYjw5peLf%253B536%253B346%253BoiZHR1eTH7qsSM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com%25252F1%25252Fcategory%25252Fpenny%2525252520bright%25252F1.html&source=iu&usg=__R8p1-Fe_aWtWdXutVBhPGgA8K4g%3D&sa=X&ei=MgxSU-r0J8bDkwWpwoDgAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQ9QEwBA#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=xny-d2GfzfLVZM%253A%3BoiZHR1eTH7qsSM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com%252Fuploads%252F1%252F3%252F1%252F2%252F1312301%252F6761891.jpg%253F536%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.thevinnyeastwoodshow.com%252F1%252Fcategory%252Fpenny%252520bright%252F1.html%3B536%3B346
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April 19, 2014 5:40pm
Longknives

Dear God Johnboy! Did you really have to do that??
I am now reaching for the Scotch to erase those terrible images from my young,impressionable mind…
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April 19, 2014 5:46pm
Johnboy

I reckon she could run 400m of 7 wire on a good day LK! 🙂
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April 19, 2014 5:51pm
UglyTruth

It doesn’t make them correct either UT

The default state of no obligation means that they are correct, at least until a real obligation is shown to exist. It’s the same idea as the presumption of innocence, expect except that it applies to obligations rather than to culpability.

While I admire Penny for making a stand on principle as she explained yesterday, this doesn’t IMO justify abrogating your collective responsibility in this case.

I agree that it shows character to make a stand, but I don’t think Penny has a sound strategy for realizing her goal of transparency.

My criticism of Penny’s strategy could be applied to anyone who holds to the statist philosophy that the public owe an obligation to the state which is properly remedied by obedience to the state (or their agents in council). This philosophy is an expression of humanism, and is closely related to the corruption of the secular state.
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April 19, 2014 5:53pm
stigie

Jesus, now you have ruined my fish and chips Johnboy. Why say those things ?
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April 19, 2014 5:54pm
Johnboy

Penny could cook you a proper meal if you took her in after her imminent eviction stigie! 🙂
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April 19, 2014 5:56pm
Johnboy

Evening Minus. Still no life for you I see! 🙂
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April 19, 2014 6:05pm
Viking2

Apparently Denmark needs more children.
so,
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/do-it-for-denmark-campaign-encourages-couples-to-take-romantic-holidays-boost-birthrates-20140328-35mxj.html
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April 19, 2014 6:18pm
stigie

Yep Johnboy, she could also teach me how not to pay rates too !!~
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April 19, 2014 6:25pm
stigie

Minus loves you JB, you popular devil.

And me it seems !
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April 19, 2014 6:27pm
Manolo

The cherry on top: UT, a faithful jihadist, is now a supporter of Miss Dim.
This unsavoury pair are made for each other.
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April 19, 2014 6:33pm
Sidey

Bright must the only person on the planet who didn’t realise that rates would be payable, and what they related to. When I bought my house I did so knowing that rates would be payable and what they covered.

Silly me, I should have just defaulted on my legal obligations while continuing to avail myself of the services paid for by other ratepayers. Then I could be champion of the downtrodden.
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April 19, 2014 6:37pm
Johnboy

I bet you never realised your rates were going toward paying for Len’s Gym though Sidey? 🙂
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April 19, 2014 6:41pm
Johnboy

I actually think Penny is rather attractive and would like to plight my troth to her in front of you KB’rs! 🙂
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April 19, 2014 6:42pm
Reid

UT, a faithful jihadist

That sounds as dubious as Shawn calling me a neo-Nazi Manolo. I think some of you guys need to get it through your thick skulls that just because UT and I don’t toe the same line as the rest of you western morons this doesn’t mean we’re traitors, it may mean we know more than you, not because we’re more intelligent but because we’re more open minded and we’ve bothered to do the research.

Not that I think for a second that such a thought would penetrate your thick skulls, for obvious reasons.
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April 19, 2014 6:45pm
stigie

You’re a sick man Johnboy. Have you sounded out the man from Eke yet ?
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April 19, 2014 7:07pm
Johnboy

He couldn’t decide what colour raddle he wanted on his back stigie! 🙂
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April 19, 2014 7:25pm
nasska

That’s a bit premature JB…..we still haven’t tossed for who gets to be the ewe on the wedding night. 🙂
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April 19, 2014 7:43pm
nasska

The wife turns to the husband & says, ” have you noticed that all the sparkle, the excitement & even the sex has gone out of our marriage ? ”

“Can we talk about this at half time,” he replies.
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April 19, 2014 8:00pm
Johnboy

If I can sing like this it can be Ewe nasska! 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBuk1HXcz1k
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April 19, 2014 8:00pm
UglyTruth

That sounds as dubious as Shawn calling me a neo-Nazi Manolo.

I don’t see it as being an insult.
True jihadists have much more honour than people like Manolo.

Yet another man asked the Messenger of Allah:
“What kind of jihad is better?” He replied, “A word of truth in front of an oppressive ruler!”

http://muttaqun.com/jihad.html
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April 19, 2014 8:18pm
stigie

Is the wedding back on Nasska ? There are still flower girls around i believe !~
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April 19, 2014 8:24pm
cha

A poem.

‘My Boy Jack’

“HAVE you news of my boy Jack? ”
Not this tide.
“When d’you think that he’ll come back?”
Not with this wind blowing, and this tide.

“Has any one else had word of him?”
Not this tide.
For what is sunk will hardly swim,
Not with this wind blowing, and this tide.

“Oh, dear, what comfort can I find?”
None this tide,
Nor any tide,
Except he did not shame his kind—
Not even with that wind blowing, and that tide.

Then hold your head up all the more,
This tide,
And every tide;
Because he was the son you bore,
And gave to that wind blowing and that tide.
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April 19, 2014 8:24pm
nasska

Seems to one of those ‘on again’…’off again’ engagements stigie. 🙂
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April 19, 2014 8:26pm
cha

Another.

If—

IF you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,

Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,

And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream – and not make dreams your master;

If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim;

If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster

And treat those two impostors just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken

Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,

And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings

And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,

And lose, and start again at your beginnings

And never breathe a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew

To serve your turn long after they are gone,

And so hold on when there is nothing in you

Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,

‘ Or walk with Kings – nor lose the common touch,

if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,

If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute

With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,

Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,

And – which is more – you’ll be a Man, my son!
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April 19, 2014 9:09pm
Jack5

Good reading as the lawyers and press lords try to harness the internet in NZ:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9187741/the-slow-death-of-free-speech-2/
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April 19, 2014 9:24pm
Johnboy

For you cha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lx8c3-djc8
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April 19, 2014 9:28pm
cha

Rudyard knew.

BATTERIES OUT OF AMMUNITION

If any mourn us in the workshop, say
We died because the shift kept holiday.

http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_epitaphs.htm
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April 19, 2014 10:06pm
thedavincimode

Well done cha.

You’ve got a stalker!
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April 19, 2014 10:29pm
cha

My very own!.
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