General Debate 17 April 2014

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Manolo

The deeply corrupt Miss Dim makes a cameo appearance.
Have you paid your rates yet?
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April 17, 2014 4:04pm
Viking2

komata
Coles in Oz. 2 l elcheapo milk. $2.99 so $3.27 NZ
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April 17, 2014 4:06pm
Reid

Jesus’ death and resurrection is in fact well evidenced and can’t be denied if you look at the evidence. However some people have already made up their minds it didn’t happen and aren’t even willing to look at the evidence.

It’s quite laughable to hallucinate that our 21st stage of science is so sophisticated that we’re capable of overturning truths that have stood for over 2000 years including amongst many to most of the greatest thinkers in history.

As I say the evidence is there if you want to look at it and I’m not even going to tell you where it is because you’re capable of finding that yourself, if or when you open your mind to the enquiry.

I’ll just make one point that may or may not make any difference, not that I care because while I’m supposed to love everyone I don’t have to like them and it gets extraordinarily tiresome explaining things over and over to dunderheads with closed minds they refuse to open. The point is this: that given the power the Jewish leaders had over their people at the time, don’t you think they would have done everything in their power to demolish the resurrection as a “myth” if they possibly could? The fact they couldn’t, even though they had all the motivation and all the power and all the opportunity so to do, should give anyone with a 3-digit IQ pause for thought.

GL on your quest for the truth. Don’t forget to open your mind. Same with 911 as well. But compared to that, Christianity is the critical truth you need to know.
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April 17, 2014 4:10pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Kent won’t be appealing para 125, but somebody else made need to. How very sad, it’s probably one of those people that promised Kent money then sent info to Karam.
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April 17, 2014 4:14pm
Kanz

goldnkiwi (642 comments) says:
April 17th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

Not having read the decision, I am assuming that Kent Parkers’ site has not been ordered down?

If you have not read the decision, why would you make such an assumption? Because he hasn’t taken it down? He has proven time and again that he thinks he knows better than any officer of the courts, from the Bain case and right through this defamation case. The judgement did make mention of the fact that he promised the court he would take it down, but that he subsequently resurrected it.
He obviously doesn’t understand what constitutes defamation when he states that every unfavourable book review is defamatory, when book reviews speak about the book rather than tell lies about the author.
As long as he leaves the site up there, he will repeat the same mistakes because he seems to believe he has done no wrong.
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April 17, 2014 4:21pm
publicwatchdog

The GUTLESS ANONYMOUS ‘Boyolo’ is back with his unsubstantiated highly defamatory CRAP.

Of course I have not paid my rates.

I’m making a principled stand for the lawful rights of citizens to ‘open, transparent and democratically accountable’ local government.

(Something you probably don’t know much about ‘Boyolo’?)

It is Auckland Council which is acting unlawfully (not complying with the Public Records Act 2005, s.17) by not telling citizens and ratepayers EXACTLY where public rates monies are being spent on consultants and private contractors.

Are YOU one of those with your snout in the trough ‘Boyolo’?

Just asking …..

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

(Who at least puts her name to her posts 🙂
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April 17, 2014 4:28pm
Kanz

Nostalgia-NZ (4,678 comments) says:
April 17th, 2014 at 4:14 pm

Kent won’t be appealing para 125, but somebody else made need to. How very sad, it’s probably one of those people that promised Kent money then sent info to Karam.

Only the lowest of the low would do something like that. You just can’t trust some people, can you?
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April 17, 2014 4:30pm
nasska

Reid

Here’s something for you to get your teeth into. It doesn’t disprove the Biblical story as told but introduces a credible aspect to it.

Ref: http://www.tombofjesus.com/index.php/en/faq#qu14
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April 17, 2014 4:38pm
UglyTruth

Jesus’ death and resurrection is in fact well evidenced and can’t be denied if you look at the evidence.

The Biblical story of the resurrection is an outlier. There are three apocryphal accounts which describe a switch, this description is also consistent with the Quran and the gospel of Barnabus.

It’s quite laughable to hallucinate that our 21st stage of science is so sophisticated that we’re capable of overturning truths that have stood for over 2000 years including amongst many to most of the greatest thinkers in history.

Belief isn’t necessarily truth. We’re living in an information age, we have a much greater range of information to shape our beliefs than the people of the early first century.
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April 17, 2014 4:38pm
wikiriwhis business

“Belief isn’t necessarily truth. We’re living in an information age, we have a much greater range of information to shape our beliefs than the people of the early first century.”

Which is exactly why we know we live in the last days as Daniel tells us information will run to and fro describing the internet age.
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April 17, 2014 4:45pm
big bruv

“Jesus’ death and resurrection is in fact well evidenced and can’t be denied if you look at the evidence. ”

There is no bloody evidence!
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April 17, 2014 4:45pm
Weihana

Reid (15,502 comments) says:
April 17th, 2014 at 4:10 pm

It’s quite laughable to hallucinate that our 21st stage of science is so sophisticated that we’re capable of overturning truths that have stood for over 2000 years including amongst many to most of the greatest thinkers in history.

Argumentum ab auctoritate et traditionem 🙂

The point is this: that given the power the Jewish leaders had over their people at the time, don’t you think they would have done everything in their power to demolish the resurrection as a “myth” if they possibly could? The fact they couldn’t, even though they had all the motivation and all the power and all the opportunity so to do, should give anyone with a 3-digit IQ pause for thought.

Or alternatively, given they have such power why are they afraid of a little myth? Maybe it’s because the myth is true!

Don’t believe anything until it’s officially denied.
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April 17, 2014 4:45pm
wikiriwhis business

“Please be reminded that on the watch of Minister of Justice Judith Collins – New Zealand STILL has not yet ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption.”

That says so much and should be raised in the house…very repeatedly.

So obvious the vested interests that abound. If anything, the winebox saga National tried to suppress proved that difinitively.
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April 17, 2014 4:49pm
Reid

IN DEEP: The dark and dangerous world of extreme cavers.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2014/04/21/140421fa_fact_bilger?currentPage=all
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April 17, 2014 4:50pm
wikiriwhis business

“tom hunter, in what ways has e. g the US and Britain flouted the Geneva Convention.?”

Pffffffff

Why do you think Manning went to prison. Because he documented proof of allied atrocity.

Not surprised no Kiwi Blogger answered you.
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April 17, 2014 4:53pm
Judith

goldnkiwi (642 comments) says:
April 17th, 2014 at 3:11 pm
Not having read the decision, I am assuming that Kent Parkers’ site has not been ordered down?

The Decision states:
[ 247] Mr Karam also seeks an injunction requiring the offending material to be removed and permanent injunction preventing the defendants from further publishing material defamatory of him. I am satisfied that this relief is necessary. In particular, it is of considerable concern to me that, following his advice in open court that the Counterspin website would be taken down, Mr Parker has since resurrected it. The terms of the injunction will not require either site to be taken down but will require all defamatory material to be removed from them. This is notwithstanding that the Facebook page is now private.

[252] Mar Parker has behaved egregiously in advancing and maintaining defences which had no serious prospect of success. In particular, asserting the defence of truth to the point of cross-examining Mr Karam and opening his case before finally admitting under cross-examination that he was unable to prove any of the matters, in itself, justifies indemnity costs. Nor was there any prospect of the defence of qualified privilge succeeding. It is true that I found several statements to have been protected by the defence of honest opinion. However, that modest success does not outweigh the seriousness of his conduct in every other regard. There are to be indemnity costs against Mr Parker.

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April 17, 2014 5:00pm
Judith

Only the lowest of the low would do something like that. You just can’t trust some people, can you?

Some people (those people) are still giving Mr Parker advice. Given the judges comments (252), I think that any appeal Mr Parker puts forward, along similar lines as he has already done, and using the advice of the same people, is likely to upset the Judge further.
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April 17, 2014 5:02pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Certainly couldn’t trust someone that gave ‘fatherly’ approval for some of the things Robin was accused of. I’ll need to read it again but I think there was an order from Courtenay about the removal of material from the hate-site if he doesn’t comply it will be off to prison he goes Kanz. Estimate of Court Costs is approaching 600k, but the ‘good old boys’ won’t mind if the tax payer picks up part of that because they’re so enlightened they never get anything right.
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April 17, 2014 5:05pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Big change to the polls favouring the Nats at the expense of Labour. It may be true, much to my surprise, that Labour lost support because of distancing themselves from the Greens and turning down the offer of an agreement.
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April 17, 2014 5:12pm
Kanz

Nos, do you think perhaps Kent will sell off the caravan and move into a tent so he can file an appeal that is bound fall at the first hurdle? Or perhaps some of his “well heeled” (but stupid) supporters will offer to fund this too?

What was truly funny was when they were discussing what to do with the left over money from their fund raising.
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April 17, 2014 5:14pm
Reid

The very idea that a just and merciful deity would plan for an innocent man (his own son) to be tortured to death is the height of absurdity.

UT it is to our eyes but Isa 55.9:

“For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

What God was doing was defeating Satan and opening the portal to all believers to enter into the Kingdom.

Why do you think God permits evil? Why do bad things happen to both believers and to non-believers? To build spiritual muscle aka faith. And spiritual muscle is what this school we call life is there to teach us. You are more aware than most of the machinations of the evil one and his minions. I don’t know how well versed you are on things satanic but let me assure you the fingerprints are all over their evil work from the very lowest players to the very highest and the reason is, Satan is real, just as God is.

It’s frankly tragic, just how good at deception Satan is. He’s managed to convince most of the world that not only God doesn’t exist but that neither does he.

One thing I struggle with understanding in the non-believers is that how pray tell, do they think this thing we call Christianity has survived all this time if Jesus really was just a human? I mean, how many other humans who lived over 2000 years are on the lips and thoughts of so many both believers and non-believers on a daily, weekly, monthly and yearly basis? No doubt many believers simply hallucinate it’s just a product of civilisation and it too will pass as our “science” “advances” and “rationality” “overcomes” this silly, nay primitive, “superstition.”

Has it ever occurred to you in particular UT, versed as you are in the meme functions, that the thoughts I just expressed in the quote marks are memes of their own? It’s just that when you approach religion with the same attitude one applies to obtaining the truth in any of the fields we share, you’ll find the world opens up to that approach, the puzzle pieces fall neatly into place and that what was once apparently bizarre and unreal becomes in fact, the unequivocal actual and evidential truth.
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April 17, 2014 5:18pm
Nostalgia-NZ

No real pleasure in this Kanz, I hate to say it but I think Kent has been used. I still don’t understand why he didn’t take the opportunity to pull his head in, perhaps its his mental health problems and other people taking advantage of him. The very description he gave of Karam actually applied to himself.
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April 17, 2014 5:18pm
publicwatchdog

EVIDENCE that New Zealand has yet to ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption:

https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/treaties/CAC/signatories.html

Yet New Zealand is ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ (along with Denmark, according to Transparency International’s 2013 ‘Corruption Perception Index’.

http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2013/results/

If New Zealand was genuinely the ‘least corrupt country’ – shouldn’t we be the MOST transparent?

If New Zealand was genuinely the ‘least corrupt’ and most ‘transparent’ – then arguably – shouldn’t we be the least financially secretive?

So – how then is New Zealand ranked the 48th most secretive out of 82 nations, in the 2013 Tax Justice Network ‘Financial Secrecy Index’?

http://www.financialsecrecyindex.com/introduction/fsi-2013-results

File (again) under ‘You Couldn’t Make This Sh*t Up’?

Want to see a ONE page ACTION PLAN which would establish a genuine, meaningful framework for transparency and accountability in New Zealand?

Try this:

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

‘Where the people lead – the politicians will follow …..?”

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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April 17, 2014 5:22pm
nasska

….”how pray tell, do they think this thing we call Christianity has survived all this time”…..

Top rate promotional efforts & an efficient franchisee network probably Reid. 🙂
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April 17, 2014 5:27pm
Kanz

Nostalgia-NZ (4,681 comments) says:
April 17th, 2014 at 5:18 pm

No real pleasure in this Kanz, I hate to say it but I think Kent has been used. I still don’t understand why he didn’t take the opportunity to pull his head in, perhaps its his mental health problems and other people taking advantage of him. The very description he gave of Karam actually applied to himself.

Well, that is where we differ Nos. I do take pleasure in it.
There were many times and many people who tried to warn him/them. You went to great lengths to advise him and received nothing but abuse for your efforts (I see above it is still happening) and nothing has been learned.
From what he has posted since reading of the court’s decision he still thinks he knows the law better than Justice Courtney.
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April 17, 2014 6:01pm
Reid

Top rate promotional efforts & an efficient franchisee network probably Reid.

Yes I guess when you’re the one who created the universe and everything in it you pretty much understand marketing inside out nasska. 🙂

You went to great lengths to advise him and received nothing but abuse for your efforts

What IS it about the Bainiacs that gets them so very polarised? Personally I don’t think he’s guilty and I never have, but I don’t think the ChCh creche guy was either, nor is Tamihere nor is Watson. But I don’t get the obsession. It just goes on and on and on and on, with both sides totally and passionately convinced their argument is the correct one. It happens on AGW and 911 too, but personally I can’t be arsed discussing those either. It’s pointless since the information is out there on all those things. Read it and make your own mind up and sure, if you don’t come to my conclusion on those then you’re wrong and you’re an idiot, but I don’t particularly care about it.

But why get so obsessed about it.
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April 17, 2014 6:14pm
nasska

God knows what people in other nations must think of life in NZ thanks to the reported actions of our fecund underclass. This joke from a UK website:

….”William and Kate said they wanted to give baby George ‘the full Kiwi kid experience’ while he was in New Zealand.

So they’ve left him in the car while they spend the day at the pub.”…..
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April 17, 2014 6:32pm
Fletch

There is no bloody evidence!

Well, exactly. No body. That is evidence itself.
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April 17, 2014 6:34pm
UglyTruth

One thing I struggle with understanding in the non-believers is that how pray tell, do they think this thing we call Christianity has survived all this time if Jesus really was just a human? I mean, how many other humans who lived over 2000 years are on the lips and thoughts of so many both believers and non-believers on a daily, weekly, monthly and yearly basis? No doubt many believers simply hallucinate it’s just a product of civilisation and it too will pass as our “science” “advances” and “rationality” “overcomes” this silly, nay primitive, “superstition.”

Getting past humanism involves going back to where it all began, back to Babylon. Humans exist in a state of confusion, separated from the source. They typically think they are the be-all and end-all of mankind, but that’s just pride. The word human comes from homo humanus, a term which was used to distinguish Romans from other people. Today humanism is promoted by the United Nations, it is no coincidence that the UN logo has a Roman laurel wreath around the world.

Has it ever occurred to you in particular UT, versed as you are in the meme functions, that the thoughts I just expressed in the quote marks are memes of their own? It’s just that when you approach religion with the same attitude one applies to obtaining the truth in any of the fields we share, you’ll find the world opens up to that approach, the puzzle pieces fall neatly into place and that what was once apparently bizarre and unreal becomes in fact, the unequivocal actual and evidential truth.

The memes you mentioned relate to the secular aspect of humanism, ie the seclorum of the NWO “novus ordo seclurom”. The corruption of NZ’s judicial system can also be seen in this light. The way this corruption plays out in the NWO scheme of things is that natural rights are ignored and human rights are advocated instead. Of course NZ has some distance from the UN, I doubt that our definition of corruption would agree with theirs.
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April 17, 2014 6:35pm
mikenmild

More legal woo mixed up with jejuene spirituality Ugly? You can do better than that to entertain us. How about some tales about Betty Windsor the genocidal reptilian shapeshifter?
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April 17, 2014 6:39pm
goldnkiwi

Re the defamation decision, it is good that the decision is available to read on the ‘site’, I should have just looked and answered the question for myself. As for appeals, clearly one is expected at [223] regarding publisher liability. I never understood why it (the site) was taken down in the first instance unless by court order, which there wasn’t and that is obviously not a current requirement either. A month given for further housekeeping by the looks of it.
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April 17, 2014 6:48pm
Viking2

Ever had this happen to you?

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Y-jiot0fSvk?rel=0
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April 17, 2014 7:18pm
RF

The Labour camp is really pissed off and many are blaming the Silent T for the poor poll result. I know Mickey Savage has been walking around with a shitty look on his face as his dreams of walking hand in hand into the sun set with Cunliffe go down the sewer. Don’t give up your day job just yet Mickey.

Its clear they have given up winning the election this year and hope for next time… If there is a next time..
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April 17, 2014 7:33pm
muggins

Judith,
Before Kent Parker was living in a caravan he was living in a rented house . He has no assets to speak of so far as I am aware.
The actual whereabouts of Vic Perkiss are not known. He has no assets to speak of so far as I am aware.
So it looks like bankruptcy for the two of them if what Karam has said is anything to go by.
Cost to Karam $500000.
Cost to Parker. Well, he had to pay out $9000 a couple of years ago.
Cost to Perkiss. In dollar terms ,nil.
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April 17, 2014 7:46pm
muggins

goldnkiwi.
There was no requirement to remove the counterspin website. The judge has ordered that all comments that were found to be defamatory are to be removed.
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April 17, 2014 7:49pm
big bruv

Has anybody else noticed Cuntliffe’s new hushed (almost whisper) style of talking when being interviewed? It just makes him seem all the more creepy.
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April 17, 2014 7:52pm
muggins

The Minister of Justice Parliament Buildings WELLINGTON
I refer our previous correspondence. I have subsequently had referred to me the response from Justice Binnie to your discussions with him about the glasses evidence which I raised in my letter to you dated 10 September. I am most grateful for the circumspect way in which you raised that matter with the Judge.
But the Judge’s self-defensive reply is most disturbing, almost as if it is designed to blind you to the relevance of that evidence. My email to you was dated 10 September, your discussion with the Judge was on 13 September and his reply was dated 25 September. He chooses to go on the attack raising issues of my own character and credibility and thus obfuscating the intense relevance of the very matter you raised with him. The detail he has provided raises the question as to who gave him all of the Law Society material. How is it relevant? I have been judged and found wanting but those issues do not alter the incontrovertible facts of the matters I have raised.
However much of a scoundrel Justice Binnie wants to paint me, the salient facts are these:
Trenchant and continual criticism of me by the Bain team surely waived privilege from the early stages. There is common law authority to that effect.
Mr Bain informed both myself and my co-Counsel, Miss Jonelle Williams, that he had been wearing the all-important glasses on the Sunday evening before the 6.30 am murders the next morning.
In response to a question from the Crown, Mr Bain specifically lied about wearing the glasses tne night before the killings and the ethics of my profession required me to disclose that lie to the prosecution which I immediately did.
The Crown Solicitor therefore knew this fact at trial.
Justice Thorp gives my evidence to the PCA the clear stamp of credibility because the Crown Prosecutor confirmed to him what I had told him at trial.
The importance of this admission of wearing the glasses the night before is, quite simply, a damning admission because the police found the bent frame and one lens in David’s bedroom and the other lens in his murdered brother’s bedroom.
Justice Binnie then appears to mislead you by quoting and relying upon a passage from the Court of Appeal decision at paragraphs 21 and 22 of his recent Report to you.
21. This inconsistency gives rise to issues of both of substance and credibility. As to the substance of the claim, the Court of Appeal’s decision of 15 December 2003 subsequent to the Thorp Report concluded that
“The glasses and lens issue has not featured significantly in our analysis of the strength of the case against David. It does not in any way tend to exculpate David.” (para 244)
22. For reasons that follow, I agree with that conclusion. Assuming as I do that what Mr Guest told Sir Thomas Thorp is true, it does not “feature significantly” in resolving the substance of the case.
8. BUT THIS QUOTE FROM THE COURT OF APPEAL was dealing with a different issue relating to the glasses because that Court DID NOT KNOW of the evidence of what David Bain had told myself and my co-Counsel and what we had told the Crown Solicitor at trial.
Consequently, it can be stated on reasonable grounds that Justice Binnie has himself succumbed to a tunnel visioned approach to the assessment of all relevant evidence relating the prime question he was asked to answer.
I do not request or expect any response from you. I conclude by congratulating you on a most professional approach to your role as Minister of Justice in this whole sorry affair.
Yours Faithfully
Michael Guest
Justice Binnie has succumbed to tunnel vision. We all knew that.
No way David Bain will receive any compensation.
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April 17, 2014 7:54pm
Steve (North Shore)

A little bitching from me:
We had a phone call today from North Shore Hospital. They were trying to confirm an appointment for Mother in law, who passed away just over one month ago.
I always said North Shore Hospital is great, the Doctors, Nurses, Cleaners, Volunteers, Specialis Surgeons are great, but once ADMIN get hold of your info, it is fucked.
Congratulations North Shore Hospital – another clusterfuck
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April 17, 2014 7:55pm
RF

big Bruv. Cunliffe is taking media lessons after the union guy got into his ear and is trying to sound serious / statesmanship.. Even plug head Cosgrove is toning down his outbursts.

Cunliffe has about 6 different roles that he plays and its bloody creepy. So false.
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April 17, 2014 8:02pm
nasska

A wedding occurred just outside Cavan in Ireland. To keep
tradition going, everyone got drunk and the bride and groom’s
families had a storming row. They then started wrecking the reception
room and generally kicking the crap out of each other until the Police
were called in to break up the fight.

The following week, all members of both families appear in court.

The fight continues in the court room until the Judge finally
brings silence with the use of his hammer, shouting, “Silence in
Court!”

The court room goes silent and Paddy, the best man, stands up and
say’s. “Judge… I was the best man at the wedding and I think I
should explain what happened.”

The Judge agrees and asks Paddy to take the stand.

Paddy begins his explanation by telling the court that it is
traditional in a Cavan wedding that the best man gets the first
dance with the Bride.

The Judge says,” OK”.

“Well,” said Paddy, “after I had finished the first dance, the
music kept going so I continued dancing to the second song, and
after that the music kept going. I was dancing to the third
song…when all of a sudden the Groom leapt over the table, ran
towards us and gave the Bride an unmerciful kick in her privates.”

The Judge instantly responded, “God… that must have hurt!”

Paddy replies; “HURT!!… he broke three of my bloody fingers”
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April 17, 2014 8:03pm
Kanz

muggins (2,897 comments) says:
April 17th, 2014 at 7:46 pm

Judith,
Before Kent Parker was living in a caravan he was living in a rented house . He has no assets to speak of so far as I am aware.
The actual whereabouts of Vic Perkiss are not known. He has no assets to speak of so far as I am aware.
So it looks like bankruptcy for the two of them if what Karam has said is anything to go by.
Cost to Karam $500000.
Cost to Parker. Well, he had to pay out $9000 a couple of years ago.
Cost to Perkiss. In dollar terms ,nil.

I can see how to a person for whom money is god and who has no morals, that could all be seen as a moral victory.
To all right thinking people however, having a good name (not one as a defamer and liar as a court has found) and paying one’s debts is far more important. Being able to hold one’s head up with the self respect of knowing one has done the right thing is worth far more than any money.
Bankruptcy is far more than simply avoiding one’s debts but then that is obviously still a lesson that is coming.
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April 17, 2014 8:34pm
goldnkiwi

So in this sort of situation would a ‘No asset procedure apply’ in lieu of bankruptcy, if it is a given that Joe Karam is going to bankrupt Kent, should Kent get in first? I guess that any further action will have to wait on any appeal process undertaken.
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April 17, 2014 8:40pm
goldnkiwi

I shall answer myself, re the threshold, NAP is up to $40,000.00 so that will be a no in this instance. I do however still wonder in other court ordered awards.
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April 17, 2014 8:49pm
Judith

@ goldnkiwi (645 comments) says:
April 17th, 2014 at 6:48 pm

If you read the judgement you will see that Kent Parker told the Court he was going to take the site down, therefore the Court did not need to request it. He then changed his mind (all within a few hours) and put the site back on line again. As you will see, this did not impress the Court at all.

The Court decided he can keep his sanky site, but he is to remove all defamatory material. A quick glance tonight shows that he hasn’t, but then he never come across as a very quick learner.
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April 17, 2014 9:00pm
Judith

@ Kanz (1,218 comments) says:
April 17th, 2014 at 8:34 pm

There will be consequences for Kent Parker if he is declared or declares himself bankrupt. He will be unable to get student loans etc to complete his studies if he ever wishes to qualify as a psychologist, he will be unable for some time to purchase a property etc – although I believe his family is rather wealthy, let’s hope that they don’t have him tied into any financial arrangements that could rebound on them.
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April 17, 2014 9:04pm
Kanz

Judith, did I see some idiot above say that they only had to remove material that had been found to be defamatory? The judgement I read said “defamatory material” must be removed. As they are proving that they don’t know defamatory from truth, then Kent is going to be in more trouble for what he is leaving there.
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April 17, 2014 9:08pm
ShawnLH

“When you’re back, confirm that the Geneva Conventions apply to drone strikes, as you classify them as acts of war.”

I don’t care of they do or not. The Geneva Conventions are irrelevant. They were not written for asymmetric warfare.

This is the issue. The US is not only fighting a war, it is fighting one which has never been fought before. A global asymmetric war against a global terrorist organisation and it’s allies, that does not fight in any conventional sense, that does not have soldiers in uniforms on battlefields, and uses tactics specifically aimed at citizens is a radically new situation that the Geneva Convention did not foresee. Such a threat throws the rules out the door.

The US has two and only two moral imperatives. 1. Destroy al-Qaeda by any means necessary. 2. Defend it’s citizens.

So while all the lefties whine from the safety of their armchairs that the US MUST obey their definition of the rules, while acknowledging that al-Qaeda will not, are just engaging in exactly the bullshit left wing bias I was talking about to begin with.

“The US MUST obey the rules, even IF it gets Americans killed! Oh, but we know al-Qaeda won’t.” And I say, fuck that.

The first responsibility of the US gov is to it’s citizens, not to dated rule books, not to armchair critics, and less to fashionable leftie anarchists who have suddenly (yeah right) found a passion for international law. The claim that because the US is a democracy it must have it’s hands tied, when we know al-Qaeda does not, is bullshit. It’s asking the US to get it’s citizens killed for nothing more than faux moral exhibitionism.
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April 17, 2014 9:10pm
Judith

@ Kanz (1,219 comments) says:
April 17th, 2014 at 9:08 pm

Yes, you are right, the judgement states very clearly that he must make all reasonable steps to remove ‘defamatory material’ within one month from the date of the decision.

I NOTE here the judgement says defamatory material – it DOES NOT specify only the defamatory material relating to Mr Karam.

I suspect the Spinners will overlook the fact that they must REMOVE all of it – and knowing how much is on there regarding other people, I doubt they will have much to talk about in the future. Most of their ramblings seem to be concerned with other people rather than the matter they claim to be supporting.
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April 17, 2014 9:16pm
goldnkiwi

Sanky? site. Yes, I have read the judgment. Actually I think the site was off line for more than a ‘few hours’. If as you say the sites’ existence is annoying to the Judge, then I am sure she would have ordered it to be taken down as part of the decision, as clearly that would be within her authority. Not so easy with facebook I am sure, but then if a court ordered a facebook profile to be removed, facebook would no doubt comply even if the ‘owners’ didn’t want to. Clearly the Judge knew the site is live.
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April 17, 2014 9:18pm
Judith

@ goldnkiwi (646 comments) says:
April 17th, 2014 at 9:18 pm

It was not the site that was annoying to the Judge, it was the fact that Mr Parker (being a man of his word – NOT) said he would be taking the site down permanently – that is what he told the Judge, and he then reneged on that.

I don’t think its wise to lie to Judges, or try to ‘trick’ them. But then when you have nothing to lose but a reputation that already stinks, I don’t suppose it matters much to him or any of his friends, who mostly seem to have similar reputations.
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April 17, 2014 9:22pm
goldnkiwi

Rubbish, knee jerk reaction on Kent’s part, perfectly understandable but unnecessary at that juncture and now. Bit hard under bombardment by cross examination to think everything through. One man against the behemoths’ and juggernauts’ of the legal profession.
On reflection there was no need for it to be taken down without court direction, he was quite right. The court has chosen to not direct that still, confirming his understanding of the situation in my opinion.
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April 17, 2014 9:30pm
Kanz

The court is giving him the chance to be a man and take down all offending material or hang himself by not doing as instructed. Which do you think he will do? In my opinion he is not clever enough to know what to remove, and will be lead by the uninformed as he has up until now and leave it all there. Bye bye Kenty.
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April 17, 2014 9:36pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Now we have someone that took 30 years to get through Law School telling the board that giving an undertaking to the
Court doesn’t have to be honoured. Maybe a donkey could make sense of that, I’m sure the Law Society wouldn’t. And so we now have the ‘one man’ syndrome, forgotten so quickly that it was a political party in the making and had the support of 20,000 people who were going to sign a petition. Wow – Kent sure knows how to gathers nutters together, oh that’s right he is one.
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April 17, 2014 9:38pm
Judith

@ goldnkiwi (647 comments) says:
April 17th, 2014 at 9:30 pm

Except for years now, people have been telling him to get legal representation so that he isn’t ‘bombarded under cross examination’ but he refused to listen to that advice and insisted he was more than capable of taking care of the matter himself and winning.

To now try and defend him based on the fact that what he was told by many people, and even advised by professionals, and he chose to ignore, has now worked out to be true – is rather pathetic don’t you think?

He told the Court he was taking the site down – a subsequent conversation among members urged him to put it back on line, which he decided he would do. His excuse is as weak as his demeanor.
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April 17, 2014 9:39pm
wat dabney

“One thing I struggle with understanding in the non-believers is that how pray tell, do they think this thing we call Christianity has survived all this time if Jesus really was just a human?”

Reid has just “proved” that Hinduism is true.

“Hinduism has been called the “oldest religion” in the world…”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism

I don’t wish to be rude, Reid, but the fact that you ‘struggle to understand’ this really does explain a lot. It’s a completely infantile argument completely devoid of logic or reason.
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April 17, 2014 9:46pm
goldnkiwi

What Judith, all in a few hours like you said? Miraculous, surely it was at least a couple of weeks, but clearly unnecessary.
Whether represented or not cross examination can still be harrowing, especially if it is a first experience. Subsequent appearances no doubt get easier as the processes are better understood.
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April 17, 2014 9:49pm
Kanz

Whether represented or not cross examination can still be harrowing, especially if it is a first experience.

Which is an excuse to lie to the court? Not an acceptable defense, sorry.
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April 17, 2014 9:54pm
Judith

@ goldnkiwi (648 comments) says:
April 17th, 2014 at 9:49 pm

Rubbish – he was warned time and time again by many people, including his own group members – but he insisted he knew what he was doing and would not be intimidated by the experience. He stated many times he completely understood the situation and it was well within his skill base to cope with it.

His arrogance has got him into this situation – it is admirable that you try to defend him, but you are far too late for that. 2009 would have been the time for Mr Parker to have acted in a wise manner – he has had multiple occasions where he could have acted with integrity and done the right thing – but he chose not to – and now, well, I guess being defended by you is just what he deserves – I doubt any respectable Lawyer would touch it – and the less than respectable ones will probably ignore him too, especially knowing he’s clean out of cash.
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April 17, 2014 9:55pm
Nostalgia-NZ

I guess we are lucky, again, to have it pointed out how a absolute loss is actually a victory. Great to have a lawyer telling the board how a Judge got in wrong by not overlooking Kent’s foot in his mouth. What joy. Anybody know of anyone who has been in the first year intake of Law School 27 times?
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April 17, 2014 9:57pm
goldnkiwi

Isn’t nature wonderful, when even the shit on one’s shoe thinks it can have an opinion, especially a ‘legal’ one lol 😉
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April 17, 2014 11:14pm
Yoza

ShawnLH (1,827 comments) says:
April 17th, 2014 at 9:10 pm

[Ryan]“When you’re back, confirm that the Geneva Conventions apply to drone strikes, as you classify them as acts of war.”

I don’t care of they do or not. The Geneva Conventions are irrelevant. They were not written for asymmetric warfare.

The US has access to unprecedented overwhelming force, almost any conflict in which their military becomes involved is inherently asymmetric. The Geneva Conventions represent an idea that those resorting to armed conflict consider the consequences of the violence they are unleashing. Far from being irrelevant, those using armed force on behalf of a democratically elected body are representing the moral and ethical values of that society. If neither combatant is concerned with the predictable consequences of the violence to which they are resorting then we are witnessing a terror competition where the protagonists are competing with each other to perpetrate increasingly horrific levels of terrorism.

This is the issue. The US is not only fighting a war, it is fighting one which has never been fought before. A global asymmetric war against a global terrorist organisation and it’s allies, that does not fight in any conventional sense, that does not have soldiers in uniforms on battlefields, and uses tactics specifically aimed at citizens is a radically new situation that the Geneva Convention did not foresee. Such a threat throws the rules out the door.

Indifference to the suffering of civilians isn’t unique to Al Qaeda or any of its affiliates, the US military has a long history of slaughtering civilians en masse a long time before radical Islam turned up. In the eyes of the imperial force anyone opposing its exercise of force is potential combatant – as the Collateral Murder video comprehensively demonstrates.

The US has two and only two moral imperatives. 1. Destroy al-Qaeda by any means necessary. 2. Defend it’s citizens.

I don’t think this makes any sense.

So while all the lefties whine from the safety of their armchairs that the US MUST obey their definition of the rules, while acknowledging that al-Qaeda will not, are just engaging in exactly the bullshit left wing bias I was talking about to begin with.

“The US MUST obey the rules, even IF it gets Americans killed! Oh, but we know al-Qaeda won’t.” And I say, fuck that.

The argument so far is less about what the US must or must not do, rather it is the values the US purports to be fighting for contrasted against the arbitrary acts of violence it is practicing. Using murder to justify the prevention of murder doesn’t work.

The first responsibility of the US gov is to it’s citizens, not to dated rule books, not to armchair critics, and less to fashionable leftie anarchists who have suddenly (yeah right) found a passion for international law. The claim that because the US is a democracy it must have it’s hands tied, when we know al-Qaeda does not, is bullshit. It’s asking the US to get it’s citizens killed for nothing more than faux moral exhibitionism.

Far from protecting its citizens the US’s exercise of military violence creates the conditions which ensure such a threat is an inevitable consequence.
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April 17, 2014 11:54pm
SPC

A somewhat pertinent series of topics here as to the here and now and history.

Freedom of speech and legitimate exercise of force by an imperial power and those opposing it and the connection to local elites in league with one or the other. Especially when connected to freedom of religion, freedom from religion and claimed respect for due higher authority.

The Sanhedrin representing the Temple cult of Judea and the Pharisees would have both been acutely aware that the Hasmonean era (Alexander Jannaeus) had been a problem for both. And that the Essene promotion of a Messianic age revival could be exploited by zealots resorting to violence against Rome. Any public figure with associations with a national throne ancestry could soon attract nationalist support, regardless of their own position on the relative merits of a militant or pacifist renewal movement. And of course, as with many local elites that sided with the imperial cause against local terrorists, the word terrorist could be used to discredit any local dissident that posed a challenge to their authority.

There are many examples over the years since 9/11 re how this can be exploited by locals in league with imperial power. Moslems advocating for democracy soon portrayed by military or royal rulers as Islamists associated with terrorists. This has posed a problem for the West in so far that its anti-terrorist actions were to be legitimate, and in no way inimical to an emergent democracy in Moslem nations. Yet despite this, local rulers have manipulated public opinion in the imperial West to

1. obtain consent for their suppression of democracy.
2. diminish support from the West for democratic transition.
3. discredit those that threaten established power.

Possibly it is the more Christian of the West that have bought into this local ME ruler tactic (and in both Israel as well as surrounding Arab nations). Israel and the surrounding Arab elites have common interest in there being a real politic understanding whereby democracy is secondary to security.

Of course, as in Malaysia, there is the inference that the dissident is immoral, rather than just apart from the religious or political orthodoxy.

But ultimately the matter is one of the peoples security, is it better that someone who poses a threat to the imperial peace established for the national realm should die, so that the risk goes away? Inferring a problem with the legitimacy of the individual, as one of the religion/national people, is to make this choice more palatable to public opinion.
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April 18, 2014 12:51am
SPC

After the American lie about the head of the CIA being in Ukraine, Putin finally admits Russian forces were in Crimea.

He says this to increase credibility to his claim that they are not yet in Ukraine (whether this is true we cannot easily know).

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11240146

Ukraine was wrong to respond to local activists as they did (re show of force). Much smarter would have been overnight movements into key airfield positions (to reduce Russian troop movement options) and a statement that decisions on autonomous rule in the east (as Crimea had) would be determined after presidential and parliamentary elections – with the candidates and parties seeking mandate for their policies.
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April 18, 2014 1:47am
SPC

Collins admits that some may have seen her as a shape shifting reptilian, but now can see she is just another human politician.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11240077

Whether the affair had damaged her politically was for others to judge, she said. “But I think most people see that this is a situation where having my family attacked like this and brought into it in some way humanises me because I’ve never been seen as someone was particularly human.”
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Sure, it’s hard to prove someone is down to earth, and one of us, until they cohabitate with another human.
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April 18, 2014 1:57am
Judith

Stealing kittens from little children, police involved before she would return it, the lowest scoring mayoral candidate in how many local elections, not to mention warnings regarding bribing the electorate members, and a person that sued their own father, and we won’t even mention the donkey – now thinks she can hear the shit on her shoe talking to her. Oh my, there isn’t much further to fall is there?

Are you sure its not your own voice you can hear? 😉
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April 18, 2014 7:14am
SPC

When will someone at the New Zealand Herald realise that none of the links on their front page work, you simply get a page refresh (the whole world is embarrassed for you)?
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April 18, 2014 7:30am
ShawnLH

“The US has access to unprecedented overwhelming force, almost any conflict in which their military becomes involved is inherently asymmetric.”

Nonsense. You don’t understand the meaning of the term asymmetric, and “unprecedented overwhelming force” is dubious. Calling the power of the US military “unprecedented” is loading your definition with subjective hyperbole as a weak attempt to justify terrorism.

“The argument so far is less about what the US must or must not do, rather it is the values the US purports to be fighting for contrasted against the arbitrary acts of violence it is practicing.”

Bollocks. The reason the US is fighting has to do with the only value that matters in this situation, defending it’s citizens.

The rhetoric in any war tends to get a bit flowery, but nobody takes that seriously. The reason a country goes to war after an event like 911 is self defence.

Whether or not Lefties are happy with that or not is irrelevant.

“Using murder to justify the prevention of murder doesn’t work.”

Killing terrorists soldiers is not murder. That’s leftie propaganda, not objective moral fact. And you might as well say that putting rapists in jail does not work.

“Far from protecting its citizens the US’s exercise of military violence creates the conditions which ensure such a threat is an inevitable consequence.”

Bullshit. This is a standard leftie claim that is not born out by history. Neither Japan nor Germany are threats to anyone. Why? They lost. At any time in WW2 the claim could have been made that the actions of the allies were just provoking Japan and Germany.

Making the claim during an ongoing war is pseudo-intellectual drivel. ‘Violence in self defence just makes more violence” is a mindless, greeting card level slogan for lefties who have given up serious thinking about issues.
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April 18, 2014 7:57am
muggins

I see there are some people still posting on yesterdays daily debate so I guess I might as well do so.
All I would say is that those posters on kiwiblog who continue to support a multiple murderer have no morals or scruples.
Not surprising , I guess , when one of them is himself a double killer.
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April 18, 2014 9:01am
Kanz

Morals and scruples consist of paying one’s dues. Those without scruples are those who would hide behind their age, and attempt to avoid taking any responsibility for their reprehensible behaviour. Those who can only feel good about themselves by making others look bad and needing to lie to do even that.Those without morals are the ones who need to join lynch mobs so that they can claim to have friends. Sad pathetic people who make themselves a laughing stock and do it publicly, such as the jfrb group.
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April 18, 2014 9:16am
Yoza

ShawnLH (1,835 comments) says:
April 18th, 2014 at 7:57 am

Making the claim during an ongoing war is pseudo-intellectual drivel. ‘Violence in self defence just makes more violence” is a mindless, greeting card level slogan for lefties who have given up serious thinking about issues.

So in your serious mind, is the US the only country in the world that can assassinate people with drones or if China or Iran decided they would start using killer drones to eliminate people outside their territory with whom they’ve decided they’re at war, you would have no problem with that? Or is the US whacking whoever it wants, wherever it wants ok because the victims are generally darker skinned people being dealt to by the kind of wholesome apple-pie white kids we have been conditioned to identify with through being constantly bombarded by media images. Is this really the best you can do, Shawn?
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April 18, 2014 11:58am
ShawnLH

“Or is the US whacking whoever it wants, wherever it wants ok because the victims are generally darker skinned people being dealt to by the kind of wholesome apple-pie white kids we have been conditioned to identify with through being constantly bombarded by media images.”

LOL!! 🙂 Seriously? It’s all about racism? That’s the best you can do? And the large numbers of African Americans in the US military has no bearing on the issue? Or the large numbers of Native Americans? Or the large numbers of Latinos?

Cripes man, the best I can do is clearly better than your drivel.
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April 18, 2014 12:02pm
ShawnLH

You’ve been reading ‘How to Answer Complex Questions with Simplistic Left Wing Slogans For Dummies’ a little too much Yowza. 🙂
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April 18, 2014 12:09pm
Yoza

Of course it’s about race. Do you honestly believe the US would get away with using drone strike assassinations against white targets in developed countries. Those white militias in the US have already demonstrated they are prepared to resort to mass-murder to make a point, Timothy McVeigh proved that. Cliven Bundy has called for an armed insurrection to take on the federal government there, he holds no fear of being the target of a drone assassination. The major mass killing in which the federal government participated at Waco has been the subject of volumes of analysis in the media and official reports – killing a similar number in Pakistan, Yemen or Afghanistan would struggle to get a mention in the middle of a mainstream daily.

Brown skinned people in poorer regions of the planet do not rate highly enough in the eyes of the Western elite to merit human rights when the US is projecting its authority around the globe.
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