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ShawnLH

“Isn’t that diabolical.”

No. Explaining simple facts and preparing them for the real world is not diabolical. The fact is they are going to come across these things anyway, regardless of whether we have state sex ed or not. For example we have to prepare children about the possibility of paedophiles, and nothing is ever going to change that. Same for the kids down the road who want to play doctor. These issues remain regardless of sex ed.
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April 13, 2014 4:35pm
Urban_Redneck

Do they still teach long division?

Feminism, Maori racial superiority, fake environmental religion, the mantra that there are certain segments of society who must never be offended – homosexuals & Muslims for example, the loony tunes concepts of “social justice” and “equality”, anti capitalism, anti Western, politically correct distortions of history and fitting condoms over short lengths of broom handle, yes.

Reading, writing and arithmetic ? Not so much.
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April 13, 2014 4:36pm
Ryan Sproull

Yes but the point is Shawn that as soon as you have to tell your ten year old how to respond to such a request if one is made then that begins to destroy her innocence too, doesn’t it. Because you can’t just tell a ten year old to say no, she’ll naturally ask: what’s a clitorus, etc.

It’s spelled “ignorance”, Reid. Knowledge destroys ignorance. And 10-year-olds were talking about sex at school when I was 10 – would you rather that ignorance was destroyed by knowledge or replaced by more ignorance from what 10-year-olds tell each other?

And since a ten year old or let’s get real and say an eight year old because ten year olds will be onto anal by then, since an eight year old doesn’t need to know about that stuff at that age, you’re still forced to explain it to them. Aren’t you.

Isn’t that diabolical.

It’s life, Reid. Kids are already talking about sex at that age. Some overhear older siblings’ conversations, some see TV and the internet, and the ones who get snippets of information about this big secret adult thing then spread their misinformation to other kids.

Your options are not “kids have heard of sex” and “kids haven’t heard of sex”.

Your options are “kids hear about sex from each other” and “kids hear about sex from parents and/or teachers”.
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April 13, 2014 4:39pm
nasska

While I fully agree that children should receive sex info from their parents lets not forget that the initial reason for covering the nuts & bolts at school is that parents are so appallingly piss poor doing the job themselves. It wasn’t that long ago that kids thought the stork brought them along with a host of other school ground myths.

It’s not amazing that the ignorance was intergenerational since the churches of yore were so highly successful at screwing up people’s attitudes to sex & reproduction. Guilt & shame make a poor base to start reasonable discussions.

It is one of life’s mysteries as to how people spend their twilight years on blogs crapping on about how the world is going to hell in a handcart while forgetting just how bad things actually were in their own, now idealised, childhoods.
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April 13, 2014 4:42pm
griffith

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Teen-Sex-Ed.html#15a
Of the approximately 750,000 teen pregnancies that occur each year,[3] 82% are unintended[5]. Fifty-nine percent end in birth and more than one-quarter end in abortion.[3]

• In 2009, there were 39.1 births per 1000 women aged 15–19, marking a historic low in the birthrate. This rate represents a 37% decline from the peak rate of 61.8 in 1991.[6]

• The 2008 teenage abortion rate was 17.8 abortions per 1,000 women. This figure was 59% lower than its peak in 1988, but 1% higher than the 2005 rate.[3]

• Compared with their Canadian, English, French and Swedish peers, U.S. teens have a similar level of sexual activity, but they are more likely to have shorter and less consistent sexual relationships, and are less likely to use contraceptives, especially the pill or dual methods.[7]

• The United States continues to have one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the developed world (68 per 1,000 women aged 15–19 in 2008)—more than twice that of Canada (27.9 per 1,000) or Sweden (31.4 per 1,000).[8]

• Every year, roughly nine million new STIs occur among teens and young adults in the United States. Compared with rates among teens in Canada and Western Europe, rates of gonorrhea and chlamydia among U.S. teens are extremely high.[9, 10]
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April 13, 2014 4:43pm
ShawnLH

One hundred years ago any child who grew up on a farm lost their “innocence” pretty quickly. Consistent values education is vastly superior to ignorance.
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April 13, 2014 4:45pm
Harriet

“….Your idea of sex-ed isn’t simple; it’s simplistic, and incomplete….”

Ryan, girls should be taught seperatly from boys where sex-ed is concerned. Girls, as stats show, are embarrased ect when taught alongside boys.

But more importantly – Girls need to value their bodies differently to boys as they are biologicly different. They have far different issues. They have far different responsabilities. Boys don’t have to concern themselves with that – biologicly AND legally!

And it is actually ‘homo and hyperhetro activity’ that is incomplete Ryan, and that is the reason why sex-ed is now being de-constructed – from calling it foreplay – to now calling it oral sex. It’s to suit the simple, incomplete and simplistic amongst us Ryan.

“…..Ugh, I bet you’re one of those “pterodactyls aren’t dinosaurs – they’re flying reptiles!” people…..”

So you know don’t believe in having acurate sex education Ryan?
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April 13, 2014 4:50pm
ShawnLH

I’ve been going to conservative churches for over 15 years and I have never heard sex described in any way that would instil guilt and shame. Quit the opposite in fact. That’s not to say it never happened, but not to the degree atheist propagandists and liberals like to claim.

That said I’m not likely to take seriously history lessons from people who believe in global UN conspiracies.
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April 13, 2014 4:50pm
ShawnLH

Griff,

NZ’s teen STD rate is pretty bad.

“Sex clinics treating more youngsters”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10757558
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April 13, 2014 4:52pm
nasska

….”One hundred years ago any child who grew up on a farm lost their “innocence” pretty quickly”….

I actually agree with you on this one. Our kids basically got the idea of what happened from watching what went on by seeing animals mating on the farm & all we had to do was fill in the gaps in their knowledge at the appropriate age.

With the urban drift not many kids now have those opportunities to learn naturally.
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April 13, 2014 4:54pm
ShawnLH

Yeah, I think Reid’s concept of childhood innocence has very little to do with reality. He is rather prone to hysteria.
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April 13, 2014 4:56pm
OneTrack

ryan – “Do they still teach long division? I’d pull my kid out of that class.”

Far more useful that the kids do kapa haka. And maths is “hard” and not “fun”.
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April 13, 2014 4:57pm
Ryan Sproull

Ryan, girls should be taught seperatly from boys where sex-ed is concerned. Girls, as stats show, are embarrased ect when taught alongside boys.

But more importantly – Girls need to value their bodies differently to boys as they are biologicly different. They have far different issues. They have far different responsabilities. Boys don’t have to concern themselves with that – biologicly AND legally!

Boys don’t menstruate either, Harriet, but they should surely be educated about it.

And it is actually ‘homo and hyperhetro activity’ that is incomplete Ryan, and that is the reason why sex-ed is now being de-constructed – from calling it foreplay – to now calling it oral sex.

That’s the second time you’ve said that. You do realise that there’s more to foreplay than oral stimulation, right?

“…..Ugh, I bet you’re one of those “pterodactyls aren’t dinosaurs – they’re flying reptiles!” people…..”

So you know don’t believe in having acurate sex education Ryan?

No, I don’t believe in complaining about language when everyone understands what is meant by the terms. You are in a minority, and are at odds with the dictionary, in your complaining about the insertion of an erect penis into an anus for sexual pleasure being called “anal sex” and the stimulation of genitals for sexual pleasure being called “oral sex”.
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April 13, 2014 4:57pm
Ryan Sproull

Far more useful that the kids do kapa haka. And maths is “hard” and not “fun”.

I’m not opposed to maths, OneTrack. It should absolutely be taught. But in an age of calculators and computers, learning the technique of long division is about as useful as learning how to use blotting paper or how to shoe a horse.
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April 13, 2014 4:59pm
ShawnLH

I actually wouldn’t take my children out of a sex ed class in the first place. Ignorance is never a strength. And the best way to inoculate children from bad ideas is to expose them to bad ideas and use it as a teaching tool.
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April 13, 2014 5:01pm
nasska

….”how to shoe a horse.”….

What if the Greens get to sit on the Treasury benches next year? Blacksmithing will be the only growth industry left in the country.
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April 13, 2014 5:02pm
Steve (North Shore)

Stop feeding the troll shorn left hand.
This blog is so fucked up and DPF has lost control, no wonder the normal commenters have gone
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April 13, 2014 5:12pm
ShawnLH

I was posting here a few years back. The GD threads look pretty much the same, with pretty much the same players.

If people want GD to improve, whatever that means, start conversations.
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April 13, 2014 5:16pm
nasska

It will all come right soon Steve. DPF will be back at the end of the month & as soon as Shawn has recovered from his surgery he’ll return to his old job as a crew leader at McDonalds. 🙂
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April 13, 2014 5:18pm
ShawnLH

Actually I’m self employed.

As to being a troll (assuming he was talking about me) that’s kinda funny. I think some people are just so precious that hearing anything contrary to their world view makes them piss their pants. Which is a little pathetic.

Some of the whingers and whiners need to grow a pair and man up.
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April 13, 2014 5:23pm
Harriet

“…..Our kids basically got the idea of what happened from watching what went on by seeing animals mating on the farm…….With the urban drift not many kids now have those opportunities to learn naturally….”

No shit!

Now they get there sex-ed from Queen St parades, Big Gay Outs, pro gay media releases, schools politicly correct sex-ed classes ect.

When was the last time you saw or heard of urban children ‘learning naturally’ Nasska?

See the problem – sex-ed is all pro gay!
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April 13, 2014 5:37pm
ShawnLH

I think everyone’s gone for dinner Harriet. Apart from Steve from the North Shore. He may just be having a sulk. 😉
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April 13, 2014 5:45pm
Harriet

“……It will all come right soon Steve. DPF will be back at the end of the month & as soon as Shawn has recovered from his surgery he’ll return to his old job as a crew leader at McDonalds….”

It will all come right soon Steve. Kea will be back at the end of the month & as soon as he has recovered from his surgery he’ll return to his old job of being the prog crew leader at GD……

……… and Nasska will go back to being the part time after school kid. 😎
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April 13, 2014 6:01pm
Manolo

The rough native (Hone) has sold his ass to the obese German. The best is yet to come in the farcical alliance between these two crooks.

Minto and Sykes by going along for the ride (read money) have lost the little credibility they had.
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April 13, 2014 6:06pm
Harriet

Minto nailed his colours to the capitalist and Nazi mast in the sole belief that the left will win the election. Compromised himself.
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April 13, 2014 6:24pm
Fletch

Re: sex education – there is such a thing as age appropriateness.

I fail to see how informing children about sex at younger and younger ages is going to stop them having or wanting sex.

It’s like driving a car. Young children cannot drive and we do not allow it. They don’t have the necessary skills or reflexes to handle it. They see us doing it; they know it goes on, but we are happy enough to leave it until they are older until teaching them how to drive.

Now then, what do you think would happen if we took 5 and 6 year olds (or younger!) in a classroom and taught them all about the mechanics of it? This is what the clutch is for; this is what the gas pedal does; this is how you steer it, and what the indicators do. This is how you put the key in and start the car.

What do you think the result will be? Will it put them off driving until later or give them an interest in it now? Or as soon as they can?

It’s only common sense.

I agree with whoever said that it is stealing a child’s innocence to teach them all about these things too soon. I Cannot see ANY possible reason for children to learn about sex at the ages we’re talking about. Young boys cannot even ejaculate until puberty – their bodies are not yet ready for sex.
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April 13, 2014 6:37pm
Reid

I think Sykes is doing it not for the money but because of the social media expertise they’ll get out of it and she’s trusting Hone’s judgement on the political side because it’s not her field. But while she’s got a fearsome intellect I don’t think trusting Hone is going to work. I suspect their own base in TTT will be loyal but they won’t get enough outsiders coming in because the media will crucify them as the Dotbomb lawsuit and extradition suit in July works through and it will be so bad that even young disaffected Maori will have their parents telling them: “don’t be nuts, Hone’s gone completely mental.”

I think Minto’s staying because he’s an idiot. I think Bradford has walked away because she’s an idealist but she also knows politics. She’s a critical loss to the strategy brains trust for Mana.
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April 13, 2014 6:40pm
nasska

Fletch

I accept that there’s a limit to what children need to know at the age they’re beginning school but I think you’d find most of the info currently taught comes under the “keeping yourself safe” umbrella.

We brought up our oldest granddaughter & I remember the wife wondering what the hell was going on at her primary school & actually making enquiries.

The programme was certainly not lurid but factual. It was probably the minimum necessary for a kid to be aware of the risks posed by paedophiles.
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April 13, 2014 6:47pm
ShawnLH

Keep in mind that Reid was referencing things going on overseas rather than in NZ.
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April 13, 2014 6:50pm
SPC

The issues raised by reid as per the video earlier

1 re sex education (overseas only perhaps), the confusion of an aspect of social studies – having children aware of adult relationship types (different family types) with the children’s own “personal” education is a valid point. The two are separate things.

2 re “the sexualisation” of children in advertising/fashion. There is range of issues behind what is called this.

What is involved is the increased importance to being fashionable – impact of producer marketing and the related issue of presentation as to status across all age groups (and included in this is being “attractive”). As to age – 1. the young child and playing grown up/dress up 2. the girl who wants to be seen as fashionable (the sense of self worth becoming connected to being one of those who wear brands) 3. and the girl who wants to be seen as someone attractive to boys. Confusing, 1 and 2, with 3, just makes a parent/adults paranoid.
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April 13, 2014 7:01pm
Fletch

The programme was certainly not lurid but factual. It was probably the minimum necessary for a kid to be aware of the risks posed by paedophiles.

Yah, I know he was speaking of overseas, I was just commenting generally.

But, that is also an indictment on society: how everything is being sexualized. We’re slowly becoming pagan. If one of the Beyonce videos that is current were to play on TV during the 1960s even, the fathers of the household would have taken the TV outside and smashed it. And stuff like Fifty Shades Of Grey (which is being made into a movie) and the movie Nyphomaniac is nothing but pornography. Yes, we’ve had things like blue movies and videos for a while, but now it’s becoming accepted mainstream. Fifty Shades.. is even being sold in Whitcoulls and The Warehouse in their bestseller lists and on separate display stands, instead of in brown paper bags on the top shelf where it used to be (and ought to be!)

It is wrong to think that this has no effect on society in general, especially the pedos and other warped of mind. Imagine a stream polluted with raw sewage up-river from a city.. The problem will not be fixed by inoculating everyone (including younger and younger children), but by tackling the problem at its source – at the source of the pollution upstream.

So with society. We think that by teaching kids about sex and warning them about pedos is the answer, when really we should be looking to Hollywood those who create the kind of media we are bombarded with in songs, music videos, movies, television, books etc to put some kind of limit of the stuff they peddle.

It’s only going to get worse.
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April 13, 2014 7:08pm
Ryan Sproull

I fail to see how informing children about sex at younger and younger ages is going to stop them having or wanting sex.

It’s not. Biology makes them want sex. And whether or not they are in possession of factually accurate information about it has very little impact on whether or not they’ll have it.

It’s like driving a car. Young children cannot drive and we do not allow it. They don’t have the necessary skills or reflexes to handle it. They see us doing it; they know it goes on, but we are happy enough to leave it until they are older until teaching them how to drive.

Now then, what do you think would happen if we took 5 and 6 year olds (or younger!) in a classroom and taught them all about the mechanics of it? This is what the clutch is for; this is what the gas pedal does; this is how you steer it, and what the indicators do. This is how you put the key in and start the car.

What do you think the result will be? Will it put them off driving until later or give them an interest in it now? Or as soon as they can?

It’s only common sense.

Except that humans are not biologically preprogrammed with an extremely strong desire to drive cars that kicks in at puberty. Hell, you’re far more likely to get the average 6-year-old boy interested in driving a car than you are in getting them to want to have anything to do with a girl.

I agree with whoever said that it is stealing a child’s innocence to teach them all about these things too soon. I Cannot see ANY possible reason for children to learn about sex at the ages we’re talking about. Young boys cannot even ejaculate until puberty – their bodies are not yet ready for sex.

Exactly! Bodies are not yet ready for sex, are not yet interested in sex, and are not yet capable of sex. But once they are, no amount of not-learning-about-it-in-school is going to stop them from wanting it and pursuing it.
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April 13, 2014 7:09pm
Fletch

Doctors in Belgium (where euthanasia is legal in certain cases), wanting involuntary euthanasia.

http://www.bioedge.org/index.php/bioethics/bioethics_article/10922

Don’t say it wasn’t predictable.
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April 13, 2014 7:14pm
Tauhei Notts

Nasska’s comments on farm children losing their innocence at a young age are correct.
I recall at age about 8 arguing that children are made by the father sticking his cock in the woman’s bum. I did not know much about anatomy at that age.
I have often wondered what one kid had been watching;
He argued that babies were made by the father pissing in the woman’s mouth!
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April 13, 2014 7:14pm
SPC

My rule of thumb.

1. Is being safe from bullying in all its forms and the basics of being male and female, the body differences (and at the final period year or so what happens in puberty). And something in social studies about different family types. Primary School.
2. The human body – being male and female in the reproductive aspect. Biological sexual maturation issues (going through puberty and reaching the time of being fertile) and the range of sexuality/relationship types of adult couples (same sex attraction and bi-sexuality and heterosexuality and gender identification. Intermediate.
3. Real sexuality education, as related to their own personal lives, current or future relationships. Including responsibility for being free of STD’s and fertility and information (or means to) sufficient to enable competence in being a sexual partner. Secondary school.

The simplest way to create a line to manage risk for those of the “puberty” period is pass a law saying that no one under 14 can give consent to sexual acts.
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April 13, 2014 7:16pm
Fletch

It’s not. Biology makes them want sex.

But not at the ages you’re talking about, it doesn’t.

Exactly! Bodies are not yet ready for sex, are not yet interested in sex, and are not yet capable of sex. But once they are, no amount of not-learning-about-it-in-school is going to stop them from wanting it and pursuing it.

Then why not leave it until they are? In their teens or tweens.
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April 13, 2014 7:17pm
Fletch

SPC, sure.
I had a kid brother and kid sister, and sure we could see we were different. It didn’t seem to matter though, and we didn’t think it was a big deal. We never had to have specific classes on it though.
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April 13, 2014 7:19pm
cha

Now, about birds and bees and things…..

h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGHfTstfWwk

(** = tt because some things cannot be unseen)
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April 13, 2014 7:21pm
Ryan Sproull

It’s not. Biology makes them want sex.

But not at the ages you’re talking about, it doesn’t.

Exactly! Bodies are not yet ready for sex, are not yet interested in sex, and are not yet capable of sex. But once they are, no amount of not-learning-about-it-in-school is going to stop them from wanting it and pursuing it.

Then why not leave it until they are? In their teens or tweens.

I think that’s the ideal time for sex education, myself, around 10 or 11. Just prior to the bottom end of the bell curve on when puberty starts. But I say that because it’s a bit of a waste of time before then, not because biology can be overruled by the intellectual curiosity of a 6-year-old.
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April 13, 2014 7:22pm
ShawnLH

“The first two facts which a healthy boy or girl feels about sex are these: first that it is beautiful and then that it is dangerous.”

G.K. Chesterton
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April 13, 2014 7:42pm
nasska

“Mail Online” story:

….”Woman sued for $2 million after boyfriend torched squirrel on apartment deck, starting massive fire”…..

Now I’m not an accountant, but it sounds like they might not have $2 million.

Ref: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2596507/Woman-sued-2-million-boyfriend-torched-squirrel-apartment-deck-starting-massive-fire.html
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April 13, 2014 7:56pm
cha

El Guava will be over the moon with the goings on # BundyRanch.
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April 13, 2014 8:05pm
nasska

I think he’ll be in the States at the ranch helping by now cha. Baity will be first over the top with his trusty M60 spitting hot death at the commie progs. 🙂
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April 13, 2014 8:11pm
mikenmild

Reddy’s been quite quiet lately – is he on new medication?
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April 13, 2014 8:22pm
Reid

Fletch on what you’ve mentioned it’s my view, not just mine but several million of us, that it’s deliberate, it’s very carefully designed and very carefully introduced and its done with the help of a lot of useful idiots who number several billion, who don’t know what the fuck is going on and don’t want to know because they hallucinate the world works on very superficial levels and they don’t understand that’s not the case.

And the design cannot be denied, unless you’re a useful idiot, partly because just like gay marriage, the exact same meme is propagated at the exact same time across the exact same territories: the western world.

Baity will be first over the top with his trusty M60 spitting hot death at the commie progs.

They’re facist progs nasska. The land of the free and the home of the brave has gone facist.
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April 13, 2014 8:26pm
nasska

Just licking his cellphone battery every half hour is working for now Mike….also security has been enhanced in the day room. 🙂
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April 13, 2014 8:26pm
ShawnLH

Heh, I wonder what stephie will make of this:

Conservatives frustrated with the direction of the country think Dr. Ben Carson can change the course by winning the 2016 presidential race.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/12/carson-for-president-back-report-4-million-raised-campaign-apparatus-into-place/

Carson is African-American.
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April 13, 2014 8:31pm
nasska

….”They’re facist progs nasska”….

They’ll probably be safe then Reid….Baity was quite insistent that the enemy were knuckle dragging, homosexual, ‘commie’ progs. 🙂
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April 13, 2014 8:34pm
Harriet

“……..I fail to see how informing children about sex at younger and younger ages is going to stop them having or wanting sex.

It’s not. Biology makes them want sex. And whether or not they are in possession of factually accurate information about it has very little impact on whether or not they’ll have it…….”

“…..Biology makes them want sex….”

Lol Ryan!

Biology doesn’t make 5ylds have sex – neither does tv or education.

As 5lds don’t ever have sex. Ever. Other than by being raped by someone older.

Sex education for 92% of that age group is nothing more than child abuse imposed by the government – by ending their childhood as soon as possible.

Unlike maths Ryan – kids don’t need to know anything at all about sex, sexuality, or any other matter that adults conduct themselves in while naked in private – until they’re 10!

Biology says so! 😎
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April 13, 2014 8:47pm
cha

The land of the free and the home of the brave has gone facist.

Oh do fuck off, it’s the same old patriot fuckwittery.

Yes I have; please give my compliments to my friends in your State and say to them, that if a single drop of blood shall be shed there in opposition to the laws of the United States, I will hang the first man I can lay my hand on engaged in such treasonable conduct, upon the first tree I can reach.

– Andrew Jackson, April 1830.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullification_Crisis
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April 13, 2014 8:48pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Judith Collins is talking about establishment of a Victims Commissioner, a sound idea. Such an office would bring accountability to the whole process of the recognition of victims of crime under legislation – a difficult task by any definition though still best in the hands of a Public Office.
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April 13, 2014 8:50pm
goldnkiwi

OMG the irony, such a concern for ‘victims’ from one of the worst kinds of perpetrator. Incredible!!!!
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April 13, 2014 8:56pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Of course vigilante stalkers won’t like it.
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April 13, 2014 9:00pm
Reid

Oh do fuck off, it’s the same old patriot fuckwittery.

No it’s different this time cha. They’ve had huge support because a huge number of people have had a gutsful of the US govt’s authoritarian stance. Things have changed over there since the GFC and it’s not just a bunch of rednecks anymore.
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April 13, 2014 9:01pm
cha

From ridiculous to fucking ridiculous – Ronnie Raygun issued the order that Bundy’s defying.

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:

http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1986/21486b.htm
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April 13, 2014 9:03pm
Harriet

“……Judith Collins is talking about establishment of a Victims Commissioner, a sound idea….”

Will they the victims get $90k a year for food, power, health – and a place to give up things like smoking and gambling addictions?

Or will they have to keep paying for it – for their assailant?

If you are the victim of someone who gets jailed – you should then be given a tax deduction of $90k per annum while the sentance is completed – is what most people would call justice for the state failing to prevent you from being so seriously harmed!
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April 13, 2014 9:05pm
cha

Rednecks versus the feds – come at me bro!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMYnWTd8v8M
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April 13, 2014 9:06pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Better for that to be in Legislation considered and passed by Parliament Harry.
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April 13, 2014 9:11pm
cha

And in a cloud of stupidity – *poof* – solar plant narrative collapses.

The Chinese-owned Mojave Energy LLC has terminated plans to build a $6 billion solar project near Laughlin, Nevada after failing to find a buyer for the electricity.

http://www.utilitydive.com/news/china-s-enn-group-nixes-6b-nevada-solar-project/142251/
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April 13, 2014 9:44pm
David Garrett

goldnkiwi: Aint that the truth? The Killer somehow thinks that 10 years in jail for Margaret’s killing somehow makes him an OK kind of guy…and those of us who comment negatively upon him are “whiny”… He’ll probably fuck off now though..he prefers it when Mummy is here to defend him…Such a brave boy…
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April 13, 2014 10:01pm
ShawnLH

David, who is the killer?
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April 13, 2014 10:04pm
David Garrett

Nostalgia-NZ is one of New Zealand’s relatively few (although there are more than most people think) double killers…i.e he killed once, served a sentence for manslaughter, then came out and killed again…For some reason I can’t fathom our host is very wary of him…I would very much like to cause him to breach parole in some way, and go back where he belongs…
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April 13, 2014 10:11pm
ShawnLH

Ok, thanks.
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April 13, 2014 10:24pm
lilman

Interesting how we are able to know less about a subject than we think,but to actually KNOW the truth is sometimes, if not more often, scary than the suggested or percieved knowledge.
Sleep tight for those in the know.
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April 13, 2014 10:58pm
ShawnLH

“He has delivered us from the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.” (Colossians 1:13)
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April 13, 2014 11:06pm
igm

Hope cons in US pens are organising a reception for the obese criminal kraut. It can’t be long before we have an in depth report by MSM on his actual behaviour, they can’t sweep it under the carpet or much longer, even Komrad Little can’t pull that many union strings . . . can he?
See reborn socialist “Catman” Morgan has the country’s bludgers at heart . . . maybe he could donate some of the money his son made him to the Waitangi Tribunal!
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April 14, 2014 7:01am
Nostalgia-NZ

Poor old Garrett vainly battling on with the Privacy Commissioner meanwhile the Minister of Justice looks to formalise the role of a Commissioner so he spits the dummy.
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April 14, 2014 7:43am
griffith

HEMP
has its use
AND Its more civilized than a blast of lead balls from a distance
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