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UglyTruth

@Penny

http://www.examiner.com/article/george-wiseman-discusses-brown-s-gas-technology
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April 12, 2014 3:05pm
stephieboy

UglyTruth (2,907 comments) says:
April 12th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

But what Chomsky says has got to be true after all he is the guru of the radical left. As he eloquently states, you can’t understand 9/11 based on a 1 hour lesson in physics on You Tube etc..
Umm, still scratching your conk over the fact Willaim Rodriguez unaccountably surviving a nuclear detonation in the North Tower basement.???
Ok Reid, another try. An illustration and specifications of a particle beam weapon.?
Whereabouts the 200 passengers and crew.?
A govt etc whistleblower from 9/11.?
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April 12, 2014 3:19pm
stephieboy

Reid and UT will just love this,

We take you into the mind of a Sandy Nook Truther: CIA Conspiracy? 7 Shooters? An Attempt to ‘Disarm People and Attack the 2nd Amendment’?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/04/we-take-you-inside-the-mind-of-a-sandy-hook-truther-cia-conspiracy-7-shooters-an-attempt-to-disarm-peo

A perfect compliment to the delusional world of a 9/11 Twoofer.!
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April 12, 2014 3:36pm
gonzo

From a quick search there looks like there might be 1.75M “qualified” engineers and architects in the US.
So 2000 = ~0.1%.
Of course, the other 99.9% are more than likely part of the cover up – dirty bastards.
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April 12, 2014 3:39pm
Reid

I told you stephie, he’s a shill. Do you know what that means? Alex Jones is also a shill.

I’ve never mentioned particle beam weapons BTW so not sure why you hallucinate I need to address your numerous shrill pleadings today on those.

However if in your confusion you’re talking about the most likely cause in my opinion of the tower collapses being a directed energy weapon, then I won’t be responding to that until you can give me a precis of the video I posted above, because why should I waste my time responding to you if you won’t even review the information I’ve already posted. So do that first and I’ll ask you a few questions about it in a few hours when you finish. Otherwise talk to the hand. I don’t care which option you chose so don’t bother asking why should you do that.
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April 12, 2014 3:39pm
Nostradamus

UglyTruth:

You saw “a bunch of fucked up Muslims” flying planes into buildings? I guess you’d have to be wearing an extra-special tinfoil hat to see that.

UglyTruth talking about tinfoil hats!

*Giggle*
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April 12, 2014 3:43pm
ShawnLH

“The US military was the most organized highly resourced killing system in a country which reputable surveys calculated that up to, and in some instances over, a million people died as a consequence of the US led invasion.”

A million? Love to see evidence for that, preferable from a reputable source.
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April 12, 2014 3:45pm
Pete George

Dotcom is keen.
Harawira (Hone) is keen.
Mana Party members debate and decide.
Dotcom “is leading the discussion with MANA on behalf of the Internet Party.”

http://www.politicheck.org.nz/factchecks/2014/4/12/will-party-members-decide-on-manainternet-party-alliance
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April 12, 2014 3:49pm
ShawnLH

“However if in your confusion you’re talking about the most likely cause in my opinion of the tower collapses being a directed energy weapon,”

Then your opinion is retarded.

“Directed energy weapon” is by far and away the most retarded claim possible, right up their with Nazi UFO’s and shape shifting lizard people.

And you have zero evidence for this, or for any other claim. But then, evidence is not necessary for Jew hating morons who happily work as useful idiots for Muslim terrorists.
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April 12, 2014 3:50pm
mikenmild

Reid
Would you mind explaining for Ugly why the towers could not have been destroyed by a mininuke but instead were brought down by a directed energy weapon?
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April 12, 2014 3:53pm
mikenmild

Ugly
Would you mind explaing for Reid why the towers could not have been destroyed by a directed energy weapon but instead were brought down by a mininuke?
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April 12, 2014 3:55pm
ShawnLH

“The Veteran’s Today article”

As I revealed a couple of days ago, VT is another Jew hating rag with zero credibility.

People who use such sources as evidence for anything might as well be using Mein Kampf or Nazi “documentaries” about the Jews.

No person with an ounce of intelligence or self-respect would quote from a source like VT.
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April 12, 2014 3:57pm
mikenmild

Yeah, well Reid’s bneen known to use Nazi propaganda films to show that conditions in the concentration camps were actually okay.
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April 12, 2014 4:02pm
ShawnLH

Heh, not even one of the sources UT uses agrees. Apparently the mininuke claim is more disinfo.

http://www.henrymakow.com/beware_bogus_9-11_truth_theori.html

Cripes, the truther morons are fighting amongst themselves as to which retarded conspiracy theory is is real!!! 🙂
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April 12, 2014 4:03pm
ShawnLH

“Yeah, well Reid’s bneen known to use Nazi propaganda films to show that conditions in the concentration camps were actually okay.”

Your kidding right? Seriously?
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April 12, 2014 4:04pm
Elaycee

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo…. Not again.

The same old, same old…. *shakes head*

Time to go for a walk. Call me when the kids have gone to bed and the adults are allowed to talk. 🙄
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April 12, 2014 4:04pm
UglyTruth

Would you mind explaing for Reid why the towers could not have been destroyed by a directed energy weapon but instead were brought down by a mininuke?

I can’t discount the possibility that DEWs were used since there are some reports that mininukes can’t explain.
DEWs are much harder to prove.
My main problem with Dr Wood is that she attempted to debunk the molten steel. Theories that appeared late in the game (eg no planes) are more likely to be disinfo…
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April 12, 2014 4:05pm
mikenmild

Since there are some reports that mininukes can’t explain, doesn’t that lead you to rule out mininukes? And if Wood debunked molten steel, which you ‘know’ was there, doesn’t that rule out a directed enrgy weapon?
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April 12, 2014 4:08pm
Reid

Would you mind explaining for Ugly why the towers could not have been destroyed by a mininuke but instead were brought down by a directed energy weapon?

The pulverisation mm. 95% of the matter was turned into dust. That’s not gravity. If gravity had caused the collapse the pile of rubble would have been 33 stories high, which is the ratio that always happens to the rubble when a building is collapsed by controlled demolition. In those towers the rubble pile as one storey high. There was nothing left. All that dust.

The video I gave you yesterday which you probably didn’t even watch despite it taking less than 30 seconds to do so, showed a falling column disappearing into dust, in mid air and it also showed some of the central support columns, massive structures, also disappearing into dust, which they were just standing there. Very interesting stuff. Because normally hundreds of tonnes of steel doesn’t do that, just turn to dust without anything around it, just like that. Does it.

I don’t know that much about the building collapse mechanism because it’s not a part of 911 that interests me, but as I understand it, directed energy weapons can do what those videos showed and I know Tesla was working on those and I know when he died all his papers disappeared and I know both the US and Russia have weaponised Tesla technology.

I don’t know about micro-nukes because as I say, it’s not an area of particular interest but as far as I know it would not turn matter to dust like we all saw that day, but maybe I’m wrong.
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April 12, 2014 4:09pm
Nostradamus

UglyTruth:

Can you clear something up for me?

UglyTruth (2,908 comments) says:
April 12th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

Yoza, a bunch of fucked up Muslims flew planes into buildings.

Where’s your tinfoil hat, Rich Prick? That is one batshit crazy conspiracy theory.

The reality is that an extraordinary amount of energy was present which resulted in reports of molten steel and underground fires that burned for months. There is no way that this energy reconciles with the mainstream story.

Forget about the “bunch of fucked up Muslims” for a moment. Do you accept that planes flew into buildings, or do you consider that the footage was faked?
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April 12, 2014 4:10pm
UglyTruth

Heh, not even one of the sources UT uses agrees. Apparently the mininuke claim is more disinfo.

The title is misleading, Soderberg is talking about 150 kiloton nukes but micronukes only deliver 0.01 – 0.02 kilotons.
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April 12, 2014 4:14pm
Reid

Dotcom “is leading the discussion with MANA on behalf of the Internet Party.”

Pete you have to wonder don’t you how a serious political party could possibly entertain such an alliance given what’s happened over the last few days with the indictments.

Maybe politicheck could investigate the allegation that Hone really is as thick as two planks.
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April 12, 2014 4:15pm
ShawnLH

One of Reid’s heroes, in his own words.

“The Jews are “the filthiest and greatest of criminals, who [only] appear to be human,” said Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during a speech last week.

Speaking to a huge crowd in the central Iranian city of Shahrekord, Ahmadinejad declared that the West had gathered together the Jews and “organized and armed them—on artificial and false pretexts, fabricating information and inventing stories. They gave [the Jews] propaganda and military backing so that they would occupy the lands of Palestine and uproot the Palestinian nation.”

Ahmadinejad’s latest comments only served to reiterate his blatantly anti-Semitic worldview. He has repeatedly denied the Holocaust, called for the destruction of Israel, and referred to Zionists as the most “detested” people on Earth.”

http://fighthatred.com/recent-events/national-political-hate/742-ahmadinejad-jews-arent-human
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April 12, 2014 4:16pm
UglyTruth

Do you accept that planes flew into buildings

Yes.

Do you accept that the mainstream story is unable to account for the presence of an extraordinary amount of energy which resulted in reports of molten steel and underground fires that burned for months?
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April 12, 2014 4:17pm
Nostradamus

Pete George:

Any chance of you tidying up the formatting of your Politicheck NZ website?

The formatting is a bit of a turn-off, really, and makes the content quite hard to read.
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April 12, 2014 4:18pm
Reid

One of Shawn’s heroes, in his genuine own words, not a deliberate mistranslation aimed at the useful idiots who lap up Zionist propaganda.

“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .

I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . .

The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews.

The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”

— Theodor Herzl, Founder of Zionism in 1897
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April 12, 2014 4:19pm
Nostradamus

UglyTruth:

Yes.

So next question: who do you think flew the planes (that’s plural as in more than one plane) into the buildings (again that’s plural as in more than one building), and why?
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April 12, 2014 4:20pm
mikenmild

Just to clear up a small point for Reid about the volume of material, etc in the WTC:
Some conspiracy theorists claim that large amounts of the buildings were unaccounted for by the size of the rubble pile. Since only 12% of the building volume was solid, the towers should collapse into a pile 12% of the original height of the building, or just about 50 meters high. Since 18 meters of that pile would be filling the basement, the above-ground portion would be 32 meters high.
The actual rubble pile reached the fifth story of adjacent buildings, so well outside the footprint of the tower the pile was five stories, or about 15 meters high. The pile would have been roughly conical, and would have included a lot of void space, increasing its height and offsetting the larger diameter of the pile. Overall the rubble pile is what you’d expect.
So it simply isn’t true that the rubble pile is only a small percentage of what would be expected. Some conspiracy sites allege that the rubble pile is only 5% of what would be expected. Others use a figure of 33% as the height of a rubble pile relative to the original building and then argue that the pile should have been 140 or so meters high. But when Controlled Demolition Inc. (http://www.controlled-demolition.com) dropped a 23-story, 439-foot (134 m) building in Detroit in 1997, they ended up with a pile averaging 35 feet high (11 m) and a maximum of 60 feet (18 m) high. The rubble pile was an average of 8% of the height of the original building and a maximum of 14%. Scaling that up to the World Trade Center, we get heights of 33 to 58 meters. In other words, the rubble pile at the World Trade Center is totally in line with other large building collapses. 33% may work for a small building a few stories high, but a large building will compress the debris pile a lot more and also fill void spaces more effectively with pulverized debris.

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/911NutPhysics1.HTM
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April 12, 2014 4:22pm
Pete George

Nostradamus – yeah, it’s not the best but it’s an interim option. It was either use that and start, or wait for the website to be developed, with volunteers we have to be a bit patient for that.

It’s allowed us to accumulate a bit of content and try a few things out.
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April 12, 2014 4:23pm
ShawnLH

An expose of Veteran’s Today.

“Veterans Today (VT) is a website that bills itself as a “military veterans and foreign affairs journal.” And, indeed, many of its contributors are military veterans or veterans’ advocates from across the political spectrum. VT also offers some information about veterans’ benefits (lifted from the Veterans’ Administration) and links to home and other loans for vets.

But start reading the posts, and you’ll find something else entirely: myriad claims that there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 (Israel orchestrated it, in cahoots with the American government), that the American government is a puppet (of Israel), that the Holocaust never happened or was greatly exaggerated (Jews made it up to manipulate non-Jews), and, most recently, that Julian Assange, the man behind Wikileaks, is a pawn (of Israel).

Notice a theme?”

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/06/buyer-beware-veterans-today-and-its-anti-israel-agenda/
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April 12, 2014 4:23pm
itstricky

Has anyone mentioned Michael Jackson and the Illuminati yet? Always thought that Thriller video was a bit suspect. What about the pending triple lunar eclipse? I mean sign of the apocalypse and all that. Time to look up the root of the word ‘lunatic’ one feels.
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April 12, 2014 4:27pm
ShawnLH

Another example of Reid’s retarded gullibility.

The Herzl “quote” he uses is FAKE.

Fake zionist quotes 2: Herzl: “The anti-Semites shall be our best friend”.

“This quote has spread like a wildfire on the internet, among antisemites and uncritical haters of Israel, but it is fake. It is a falsification.”

http://liberology.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/fake-zionist-quotes-2-herzl-the-anti-semites-shall-be-our-best-friend/

Reid, a gullible Jew hating idiot.
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April 12, 2014 4:30pm
UglyTruth

Notice a theme?

The Zionist Crime Syndicate is a nasty business.

Fake zionist quotes 2: Herzl: “The anti-Semites shall be our best friend”.

ShawnLH is contradicting his own reference.

http://www.frihetssmedjan.se/wp-content/uploads/DSC_00181.jpg
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April 12, 2014 4:30pm
mikenmild

We’re still a few days off the full moon, itstricky. Kiwiblog really lights up then, though.
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April 12, 2014 4:31pm
ShawnLH

“he Zionist Crime Syndicate is a nasty business.”

Nazi pig.
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April 12, 2014 4:34pm
Nostradamus

Pete:

It’s your project, but my suggestion (for what it’s worth) is that you could try the following:

– assign a number to each “fact check” (eg Fact Check 1)
– create a separate web page for each fact check enquiry.

It’d reduce the clutter on the main page.

Just out of interest, how many of these fact checks do you envisage will occur during the election campaign?
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April 12, 2014 4:34pm
Reid

Just to clear up Shawn’s useful idiocy, from http://www.truetorahjews.org/

http://www.truetorahjews.org/naziismzionism

Learn to distinguish propaganda from truth Shawn, lest you sup with the devil. (Which you’re doing at the moment.)
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April 12, 2014 4:34pm
UglyTruth

lest you sup with the devil.

His literally is the devil (devil, from diablos, means slanderer).
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April 12, 2014 4:37pm
Harriet

mandk (678 comments) says:
April 12th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
Dime,
If you want to see a really good video, check this out.
It must be the sexiest thing ever caught on film.

————————————–

mandk

It might not be the sexiest but it’s heading there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tj6kYfAmt8

Sylvie Vartan: La Plus Belle Pour Aller Danser (1963, Cherchez l’Idole)
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April 12, 2014 4:37pm
ShawnLH

“Learn to distinguish propaganda from truth Shawn,”

Attempting to hide your Jew hatred behind a tiny, fringe group that the vast majority of Jews do not take seriously is a standard tactic for some neo-Nazi Jew haters.

The so-called “truetorahjews” whackjobs have no more credibility than Stormfront.
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April 12, 2014 4:40pm
Nostradamus

Funny caption (with accompanying photo) on Stuff:

WELCOME LAID BARE: The Duchess of Cambridge speaks with a bare-bottomed Maori warrior.

The caption relates to the following story:

CNN view on powhiri strikes a bum note

CNN reporter Jeanne Moos has apologised for describing the formal powhiri that welcomed the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge to Government House in Wellington on Monday as a “royal bummer”.

Her video report showed the well-circulated shots of a heavily tattooed and bare-bottomed warrior greeting Kate and made jest of the traditional Maori welcome.

“Technically the only one being bummed was the warrior with his decorated buns exposed,” Moos remarked.

“Is this any way to welcome a future king and queen?” she asked.

…

Wellingtonian Jayden Evett, 18, did not see the news item as funny, describing it as “incredibly racist” and a “a blatant disregard of cultural sensitivity”.

Evett has complained to CNN, and after encouragement from friends and family, started a petition yesterday morning asking the channel for an apology. He had more than his goal of 500 signatures by mid-afternoon.

Today Moos offered an apology.

“Duly noted. I do humour and satire, and I am truly sorry if the tone of my story offended anyone.”

Jayden Evett – hmmm… something tells me this guy has left-leaning political ambitions…

Edit: well, there’s a surprise, he was a Youth Member of Parliament for Hutt South in July 2013.
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April 12, 2014 4:41pm
Reid

Sorry mm, maybe 10% wasn’t right but it was vastly less than expected. Even the media admitted it turned into dust. I guess they just hadn’t been issued the right talking points at the time. Lying in unison probably takes awhile to get up to speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJb-GPtb2I0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdBQOe85i3M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGXDmNZCeKo
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April 12, 2014 4:46pm
UglyTruth

The so-called “truetorahjews” whackjobs have no more credibility than Stormfront.

ShawnLH, their page about Herzl re “The anti-Semites shall be our best friend” uses the same source photographs as the page that you used to try to debunk them.
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April 12, 2014 4:46pm
ShawnLH

UglyNazi,

and the article shows Reid’s quote is a fake.

Nazi pig.
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April 12, 2014 4:49pm
Manolo

I can almost see the fanatical UT shouting Allah Akbar while facing Mecca. Sanity rules.
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April 12, 2014 4:49pm
mikenmild

‘try to debunk them’. You seriously believe that Herzl quote is genuine?
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April 12, 2014 4:50pm
Pete George

Nostradamus – thanks, feedback is good, we’ll be learning and improving as we go.

Just out of interest, how many of these fact checks do you envisage will occur during the election campaign?

I don’t know, as much as possible. it depends on time and resources. All voluntary. We’re looking for more researchers, some of that is time consuming.

We’re also looking to work with anyone who’s interested in contributing. We’ll be complementing and co-operating with media and with blogs. Working with any MPs and parties who are interested, both accepting submissions of issues to check (with as much detail as possible) and seeking input from them. That’s starting to work but could become a significant part of it when they see the benefits.

The more input and assistance we get the more we’ll be able to do.
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April 12, 2014 4:51pm
ShawnLH

“As you can see there are great differences between the Herzl quote first mentioned and the real quote. The beginning is manipulated and the text “will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews” has been inserted.”

Read the whole article UglyNazi.

http://liberology.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/fake-zionist-quotes-2-herzl-the-anti-semites-shall-be-our-best-friend/
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April 12, 2014 4:52pm
UglyTruth

You seriously believe that Herzl quote is genuine?

Like I said, both sites use the same source photos. Reid’s quote “The anti-Semites shall be our best friend” is true.
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April 12, 2014 4:53pm
mikenmild

Sorry Reid, but were you disagreeing with the passage I quoted which said ‘the rubble pile at the World Trade Center is totally in line with other large building collapses’?
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April 12, 2014 4:53pm
ShawnLH

“The anti-Semites shall be our best friend”

Look at the article and read the above comment IN CONTEXT. It does not say what you claim.
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April 12, 2014 4:53pm
ShawnLH

“Reid’s quote “The anti-Semites shall be our best friend” is true.”

Reid did not quote that one sentence liar. He quoted the juiced up version.
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April 12, 2014 4:55pm
UglyTruth

Look at the article and read the above comment IN CONTEXT. It does not say what you claim.

Fuck off liar. Anyone can look at the source photographs and see for themselves.
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April 12, 2014 4:56pm
ShawnLH

“Sorry mm, maybe 10% wasn’t right but it was vastly less than expected.”

And the story keeps changing as the cracks in the whackjob conspiracy theories show.

Twist and turn, twist and turn, round and round the mulberry bush, where Reid stops nobody knows.
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April 12, 2014 4:57pm
Nostradamus

UglyTruth:

Have you thought of an answer to this question:

So next question: who do you think flew the planes (that’s plural as in more than one plane) into the buildings (again that’s plural as in more than one building), and why?
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April 12, 2014 4:58pm
ShawnLH

” Anyone can look at the source photographs and see for themselves.”

Fuck off Nazi pig. Anyone can read the article and see Reid’s juiced up version is bullshit.
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April 12, 2014 4:58pm
Steve (North Shore)

Full moon, Kiwiblog realy lights up then – does it what!
The lunatics are jostling for position already – having an early start. Amazing what the children get up to when the boss is away
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April 12, 2014 5:03pm
UglyTruth

Reid did not quote that one sentence liar.

Yes he did, liar. That one sentence was part of this post.

Like I said previously, Reid’s quote “The anti-Semites shall be our best friend” is true. If I was referring to the full text that he quoted then I would have indicated as much.

As usual you are misrepresenting the facts.
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April 12, 2014 5:05pm
ShawnLH

Anti-Israelism is Anti-Semitism: an Interview with Manfred Gerstenfeld

http://www.newenglishreview.org/Jerry_Gordon/Anti-Israelism_is_Anti-emitism%3A_an_Interview_with_Manfred_Gerstenfeld/

The Politics of Muslim Anti-Semitism by Daniel Pipes

http://www.danielpipes.org/161/the-politics-of-muslim-anti-semitism

The new anti-Semitism

A document once used by the Nazis to stir up hatred of Jews and long known to be a forgery is once again being circulated, this time by Muslim scholars.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jun/22/religion.guardiancolumnists
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April 12, 2014 5:06pm
UglyTruth

Have you thought of an answer to this question:

I asked first, Nostradamus. My question was:

Do you accept that the mainstream story is unable to account for the presence of an extraordinary amount of energy which resulted in reports of molten steel and underground fires that burned for months?
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April 12, 2014 5:08pm
ShawnLH

“Yes he did, liar. That one sentence was part of this post.”

Yes, part of a juiced up quote that has fake insertions.

He lied and your trying to cover his ass.

As usual your Nazi Jew hatred is leading you to misrepresent the facts.
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April 12, 2014 5:15pm
Nostradamus

UglyTruth:

I’m interested in the plane angle because, one way or another, your molten steel theory surely needs to accommodate it. You’ve been talking about the molten steel theory for quite some time now, so I thought it’d be good to add a new dimension to the discussion.

But if you don’t want to have a sensible discussion, then no problem.
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April 12, 2014 5:16pm
UglyTruth

I’m interested in the plane angle because, one way or another, your molten steel theory needs to accommodate it.

No, it doesn’t.

My question to you remains unanswered.
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April 12, 2014 5:19pm
Nostradamus

UglyTruth:

I don’t think this is especially complicated:

– You agree that planes flew into buildings.
– You agree, presumably, that these are the buildings that came crashing down.
– You offer a theory that is different from the mainstream theory regarding why the buildings came crashing down.

That begs the question: who was responsible (in your view) for the planes flying into the buildings, and why?
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April 12, 2014 5:21pm
UglyTruth

Since you won’t answer the question, the only rational conclusion is that you are unable to explain the defects in the mainstream position.

You offer a theory that is different from the mainstream theory regarding why the buildings came crashing down.

No, what I’m saying is that the facts prove that nuclear fission was an energy source, and there is evidence of nuclear fusion as well. The correlations of Sr/Ba concentrations conform to a fission reaction, and the high levels of tritium can’t be explained as originating from conventional sources.
The question of who then becomes a question of who has access to micronukes/mininukes.

The country at the top of the list has a semi secret nuclear facility, reportedly with weapons facilities, and had a history of security involvement at the WTC.
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April 12, 2014 5:42pm
ShawnLH

“The country at the top of the list has a semi secret nuclear facility, and had a history of security involvement at the WTC.”

Translation: ‘THE EVIL JEWS DID IT.”

Vile Nazi pig.
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April 12, 2014 5:45pm
UglyTruth

Your translation, not mine, devil-boy.
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April 12, 2014 5:51pm
Reid

More quotes from the founder of Zionism.

“The only possible final and successful solution of the Jewish Question requires a billion franks…

…we want to let successful anti-semites participate in our project”

[Speaking to wealthy Jewish bankers] “I don’t know whether all governments already realise what an international menace your World House constitutes. Without you, no wars can be waged… For the year 1895 the military expenses of the Great Powers have been estimated at four billion francs…. And these military forces, you command financially, regardless of the conflicting desires of the nations.”

“I am against democracy…We shall impose firm but extensive limits on public opinion”

And something that should be particularly chilling to Shawn, provided he isn’t infected by Satan:

“By God, I understand the Will to Good.”

Those of us who understand these things which may or may not include Shawn know that Satan’s desire is that man’s will should prevail over God’s. That’s why Aleister Crowley issued his famous saying: “Do what thou wilt.” Modern derivations are things like: if it feels good, do it.

All satanic, whether or not you believe it and whether or not you understand it. Hopefully Shawn does, but one assumes he won’t admit it if he does. And here we have the founder of Zionism telling us he thinks the same thing.

http://jodenhaat.nl/DagboekenHerzl.pdf

The so-called “truetorahjews” whackjobs have no more credibility than Stormfront.

Whereas Daniel Pipes does? What a roaring mental you are Shawn, you’ve got no idea, do you.
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April 12, 2014 5:51pm
ShawnLH

Debunking UglyNazi’s hysterical bullshit

Molten steel was found in the basement seven weeks later and jet fuel can’t melt steel.

Rebuttal: There is no documented evidence of the presence of actually-melted steel at ground zero. The molten material noted in the 911 Commission report was “slag”, not a molten metal. Most of the reports of “molten steel” found at ground zero were merely references to obviously red-hot solid steel. Even if they actually found “molten” metal, aluminum (which the planes were made out of) melts well under the temperature of jet fuel (pure aluminum melts at 660C, jet fuel burns around 980C[14] going up to 2,200C[15][16][17]). In addition, the mix of jet fuel, plastics, rugs, curtains etc. may burn hot enough to melt aluminum.
Additionally, the melting point of steel is within the range of 1425-1540C[18], well outside the temperatures recorded at Ground Zero in the weeks following the attacks. What conspiracy theorists fail to note is that steel thermally expands while it remains strong and thus fire rapidly destroys uninsulated steel structures, and steel begins to lose its structural integrity (and red hot steel itself burns in air or in the presence of steam) at well below its melting point, or 700-820C, well within temperatures recorded at ground zero in the weeks following the attacks). Meanwhile, molten steel is not typically found at the site of buildings that have actually been demolished using “explosives” to sever columns. Also, the first law of thermodynamics prevents even the super hot molten product of thermite charges from remaining molten long after thermite ignition. Therefore, whatever molten materials were observed at ground zero in the weeks following the collapses, that molten material was not originally present and molten at the time of the collapses (it began to melt after the collapses, not before the collapses).
That all being said, a 767 Family plane can carry up to 90,000 Liters of fuel in it’s hull. It is estimated the two planes had about 28,000 Liters left in their tanks which is spread all over the hull from the wings to the fuselage (for ballast and balance control). The crash and shredding of the plane hardware caused the fuel to detonate almost instantly. Since it was not a controlled burn it is likely to hit the highest end of the combustion scale at it’s core causing simultaneous ignition of anything around that was combustible and causing severe damage to load bearing pillars.

There was a nuke in the basement

Rebuttal: No there wasn’t. None of the basic characteristics of a nuclear detonation (intense flash, thermal pulse, observable radial shockwave, or emission of nuclear radiation) were exhibited during the event. The physics departments of NYU, Columbia, Stuyvesant High School, and every other school in the area would have been all over that with Geiger counters, and most of Lower Manhattan would now be uninhabitable. (Also, to put it in perspective, the 1988 PEPCON explosion in Nevada was less than a tenth of the size of the Little Boy explosion at Hiroshima in 1945, and not even half the size of the fizzled North Korean nuclear test in 2006. That’d have to be one hell of a small nuke,[23] and it doesn’t even begin to take into account that the tower collapses started from the impact sites, not the basement.)

The shockwave also would have easily registered on seismic counters all over the world that listen for nuclear testing.
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April 12, 2014 5:53pm
nasska

The announcement last year that Windows XP will no longer be supported didn’t exactly fill me with joy. I’ve actually bought a new desktop with Windows 7 but I’m currently thinking that if I’ve got to get used to a new system I might as well go the whole hog & dump Mr Gates’ bug magnets in favour of Linux.

So far I’ve short listed Mint, Bodhi & Pinguy as possibles. Has anyone here any advice as to the best, bearing in mind that I need an OS to support Firefox, act as a wordprocesser, store a few files & not much else.

Also any suggestions for Linux instruction manuals not intended solely for the use of geeks…..something about the level of distros for the perpetually bewildered would be about what I’m after.
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April 12, 2014 5:53pm
mikenmild

I asked this earlier Reid, but were you disagreeing with the passage I quoted which said ‘the rubble pile at the World Trade Center is totally in line with other large building collapses’?
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April 12, 2014 5:55pm
UglyTruth

So far I’ve short listed Mint, Bodhi & Pinguy as possibles. Has anyone here any advice as to the best, bearing in mind that I need an OS to support Firefox, act as a wordprocesser, store a few files & not much else.

For a first timer I’d recommend Mint. You can still run your XP programs from VirtualBox if you’ve got enough memory.
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April 12, 2014 5:58pm
SPC

Not a good day for anyone on a Hutt Valley sports field wearing green ….
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April 12, 2014 6:03pm
UglyTruth

Molten steel was found in the basement seven weeks later and jet fuel can’t melt steel.

Rebuttal: There is no documented evidence of the presence of actually-melted steel at ground zero.

Did it yesterday.

There was a nuke in the basement

Rebuttal: No there wasn’t.

See above.
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April 12, 2014 6:03pm
ShawnLH

ANTI-ZIONISM: THE SOPHISTICATED ANTI-SEMITISM

“It is the perpetual trick of the racist to force his victim to appear to be the hater”

http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/737.PDF
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April 12, 2014 6:13pm
mikenmild

SPC
Say it isn’t so…
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April 12, 2014 6:15pm
SPC

Losing to Petone 19-20. Hardham Cup?

and the Rams now dominant over the Wainui sheep (17-13).
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April 12, 2014 6:21pm
mikenmild

Can’t see them outside the top eight. Early days yet.
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April 12, 2014 6:24pm
Manolo

What to do with these buggers? The bottom of the sea looks like an atttractive proposition:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11236657

The number of migrants sailing from Africa to Italy resembles a “biblical exodus”, the head of the Italian navy said yesterday.

Adml Giuseppe De Giorgi said his ships had rescued 18,546 migrants, including Syrians and sub-Saharan Africans, since October, following the deaths of 364 migrants when their boat caught fire. The peak came this week when 4,000 were intercepted by the navy in 48 hours.
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April 12, 2014 6:25pm
mikenmild

Yes Manolo, Kill them all, eh? What a fuckwit.
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April 12, 2014 6:26pm
UglyTruth

mikenmild is right. This can only mean that the end is nigh…
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April 12, 2014 6:28pm
Manolo

Yes, comrade mike. A few of them will be sent to live with you to enjoy your socialist hospitality. 🙂
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April 12, 2014 6:30pm
SPC

mikenmild, I cannot see Poneke and Norths being with Wellington and Johnsonville in the Hardham Cup, there will be some in green there too.
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April 12, 2014 6:30pm
ShawnLH

For Reid:

THE TRUE ROOTS OF ANTI-SEMITISM.

A Biblical Refutation of Accusations against the Jews and Israel by Norman Manzon.

http://www.biblestudyproject.org/antisemitism-3true-roots-refutations.htm
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April 12, 2014 6:33pm
mikenmild

I reckon the bottom 4 at the moment will probably stay there. Hutt to make a strong resurgence from mid-table.
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April 12, 2014 6:33pm
Manolo

Chardonnay socialist ~~Blair~~ Bliar was enjoying Murdoch’wife, or so it seems:
http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1476158/wendis-rumoured-affair-tony-blair-led-divorce-rupert-murdoch-says
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April 12, 2014 6:35pm
big bruv

Poneke in the Hardam Cup!……nothing would put a smile on my face more than that.
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April 12, 2014 6:40pm
Steve (North Shore)

Nasska, not a lot of diff between WinXP and Win7, they just put stuff in different places.
Win8 will piss you off, but the upgrade aint bad. The next platform will bring back the XP/7 type desktop.

There are people who like the wide open highways, and there are people who travel on the lumpy dust metal roads (5%)
A Window system costs like $140 so why be different and do all of the conversion and adapting shit?
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April 12, 2014 6:57pm
SPC

It looks like Wainui and Norths that are most at risk of the ignominy, but HOBM and Poneke are the teams that are next in line.

With the new comp format next year it does not mean much. Avalon will be back. It looks as if Wests is a dying club and they will have to merge with either OBU or Johnsonville. That means 13 teams, so an opportunity for Paremata-Plimmerton to provide a 14th team (perhaps with some loan players from Kapiti-Horowhenua).
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April 12, 2014 6:59pm
nasska

Steve

I went & bought a new Lenovo with Win7 & it’s still sitting unopened in the box.

I thought I might use the old XP machine & learn the Linux thing….if I can make it work the sheer convenience of not having to bugger around with anti virus, anti malware & Window’s endless updates would make it worthwhile.

UT @ 5.58pm

Thanks.
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April 12, 2014 7:03pm
SPC

nasska, so what you are looking for is to invest in a Windows free future.

To me that would be akin to Reid ending his Luciferian/Illuminati/Zionist synagogue of satan conspiracy theory – what and who would I then vent about and at while on-line?

To me it’s not Gates having a Jewish mother, but its the software he has to atone for with good works.
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April 12, 2014 7:06pm
nasska

….”what and who would I then vent about and at while on-line?”….

We’re adaptable creatures SPC…..something & someone would turn up. 🙂
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April 12, 2014 7:10pm
SPC

nasska, Key and English have been too moderate.

But selling the Genesis shares too cheap is bad, really bad government – that could get you angry when you think how stupid that was … of course a nice way to get a 20% return pa with a 10-15% dividend return plus the bonus shares (its hard to remain angry when making such a good return). Bastards.
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April 12, 2014 7:15pm
nasska

Maybe the Labour/Greens efforts to sabotage the earlier sales may have had a bearing on the asking price SPC.

Politically there would be less fallout from a lower return than being left with unsold shares.
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April 12, 2014 7:20pm
Nostradamus

UglyTruth:

Since you won’t answer the question, the only rational conclusion is that you are unable to explain the defects in the mainstream position.

No, actually, the only rational conclusion is that you can’t read. It’s best not to put words in my mouth.

As I said quite clearly above:

I’m interested in the plane angle because, one way or another, your molten steel theory surely needs to accommodate it. You’ve been talking about the molten steel theory for quite some time now, so I thought it’d be good to add a new dimension to the discussion.

You’ve been banging on about that molten steel theory for the past couple of days. You’re not convincing anyone (with the possible exception of Reid), and no-one else is convincing you of their position either. Blah blah blah. Back-and-forth, sideways, upside-down and inside-out. It’s boring. So forget about that for a moment.

What was the point of having the planes flying into the buildings, and who was responsible? Are you suggesting that it was all a smokescreen to cover up the real cause for the collapsed buildings?

And please elaborate on precisely what you mean when you said (as you did above): “The country at the top of the list has a semi secret nuclear facility, and had a history of security involvement at the WTC”.
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April 12, 2014 7:22pm
griffith

ubuntu is free
works fine as an internet interface mostly.
It’s not as prone to virus and a surprising amount of software is freeware
all open source…
no profit to monosloth.

Nasska needs separate machine for porn surfing
baaaaaaa

and moo counting and that other tax and business crap is best totally separate.
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April 12, 2014 7:27pm
nasska

You’ve hit on what I was looking at Griff. I thought I could keep the new desktop offline & solely for business & use a Linux based machine for the internet.

What’s this “porn surfing” you mention? 🙂
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April 12, 2014 7:31pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

“Man.Com alliance has the potential to sweep John Key off power” – The one and only Matt the Chief McCarten.
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April 12, 2014 7:31pm
UglyTruth

No, actually, the only rational conclusion is that you can’t read.

Really? Why would I pay any regard to your lying?

It’s best not to put words in my mouth.

Do you think that I did that?

As I said quite clearly above:

I’m interested in the plane angle because, one way or another, your molten steel theory surely needs to accommodate it.

Again, no, it doesn’t.

I can read, Nostradamus, and you lying about it doesn’t change a thing.
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April 12, 2014 7:31pm
Nostradamus

UglyTruth:

I can read, Nostradamus, and you lying about it doesn’t change a thing.

*Sigh*

I give up – there’s really no point wasting any more time on you.

I notice you have a habit of accusing people who don’t agree with you of lying. As debating tactics go, that’s just pathetic. I challenge you to find any comment on Kiwiblog over the past eight years where I have (unjustifiably) accused someone of lying. That’s not my style.

So here’s my parting shot to you UglyTruth: go fuck yourself!
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