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March 30, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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UglyTruth

Why, are you looking for a job?
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March 30, 2014 8:28pm
tom hunter

But you’re surely not likely to claim that Democrats in general are more likely to be 9/11 truthers, are you?

Well not nowadays MM, but back in the in day – 2004 – shit, I’m not so sure? Look at those figures of 35% and 26% from 2007. Ugh.

I also saw leading members of the Democrats – “Dirty Harry” springs to mind – who were willing to at least “allow” that maybe there was something to Moore’s accusations. Christ! And then to see the fat, greasy prick sitting on a little throne at the Dem’s conference. Ugh II. I’d have thrown the useless sack of shit into the gutter – but I guess Kerry’s loss did that effectively enough.

As to whether even those sods believed? I doubt it – more like I don’t want to think they believed. I just wrote it off to normal US political partisanship; the whole Murder, robbery, rape, adultery, and incest will be openly taught and practiced… approach.

I am fascinated by how much these debates, which are on a NZ blog, are so tied up with American politics. Curious.

Probably my fault Shawn. I find US politics a fascinating freak show and the NZ flavour dull and unimportant by comparison. Parrish pump stuff.
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March 30, 2014 8:45pm
Bob R

@ SPC,

The story about the owner of the WTC Tower’s who had recently bought them, found they needed significant extra work, luckily he and his son & daughter daughter were all away from work on the morning the planes hit, then got a massive insurance payout is interesting 🙂

“Silverstein Properties took over the lease of the World Trade Center seven weeks before 9/11, the only time the complex had gone under private control [1], and after 9/11 Larry Silverstein sought damages of over $7 billion from his insurers for the destruction of the Twin Towers. [2] On September 11, the firm had temporary offices on the 88th floor of the North Tower. (American Airlines Flight 11 impacted that tower between its 93rd and 99th floors.) Of its 160 employees, 54 were working in those offices at the time of the attacks and four of them died. [3]

The fortunate circumstances that kept the high-level individuals out of danger the morning of 9/11 were quite extraordinary. Larry Silverstein survived the attacks supposedly because his wife forced him to go to a doctor’s appointment instead of a meeting at the WTC; Silverstein’s son and daughter survived because, independently of each other, they were running late; his top aide survived because he cut short a meeting he was in at the top of the North Tower; his publicist agreed to join a meeting at the WTC at 9:00 a.m. instead of 8:00 a.m.; and others associated with Silverstein Properties may have avoided danger due to the cancellation of a meeting on the 88th floor of the North Tower.”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/140507silversteinwarned.htm
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March 30, 2014 8:57pm
RF

Mickey Mouse the solicitor that no one wants to take advice from is the resident denier over on the standard. Some how the 2 polls released to day are a victory for labour and the death sentence for National. What the f…. is he on. Long may it last until September. Mr. 8% must be looking for a tall building to jump off.
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March 30, 2014 8:58pm
UglyTruth

@Bob R
If you liked Silverstein’s investments you’ll love Zim Shipping’s fast-tracked new office building.

http://www.israeli-connections-to-911.com/zim_shipping3.htm

Amazingly fortunate for Zim, the company moved out of the WTC around Sept. 4, 2001 and into a newly built office building in Norfolk, VA, even though they had a significant remaining lease obligation at the WTC.[6] In fact, Zim picked this lucky move-out date about six months before they actually moved. An April 3, 2001 article in the Virginian-Pilot stated that Zim “expects to open its new [Norfolk] building by Sept. 4 and will eventually employ 235 people.”[7] Coincidently, pilot hijackers Mohammed Atta and Marwan Shehhi were inexplicably in the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area in February and April 2001 at the time Zim was apparently in the search and planning process for their Norfolk building.[8] Although Zim is reported to have had about 10 of its purported 20 remaining employees at the WTC on 9/11, none were killed or injured.[9] However, other media reports stated that Zim had 35 sales and marketing people and additional computer personnel remaining at the WTC on 9/11, indicating Zim had a small percentage of its remaining staff at the WTC on 9/11.[10]

Zim found the site in Norfolk, obtained all permits, drew up the architectural plans, and built its 2-story 45,000 square-foot steel frame/brick veneer office building in only six months, which is about as fast as humanly possible for a commercial office project.[11] It is so fast, that they even have a special name for it in real estate jargon; it’s called fast tracking, as a typical development period would be closer to one year.[12] [13] Fast track construction is utilized when a company needs to have their building completed in a short time as standard design and construction procedures are compressed to meet that goal. The added development challenges and construction risks of fast tracking were summed up by Zim’s real estate company when they stated in April 2001, “Since accepting Zim’s fast track project last month, Hunter has been involved in assisting with site location, selecting the development team of architects and general contractor, and developing strategic relocation plans for Zim’s employees… It is a terrific assignment that presents many challenges, not the least of which is to ensure that the site is completed by move-in by September 2001.”[14]
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March 30, 2014 9:05pm
mandk

@ Pete George

The preferred PM numbers are more interesting.
One poll has Cunliffe at 8%, the other at 9%.
Fewer than one third of labour voters have him as preferred PM.
Priceless!
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March 30, 2014 9:23pm
stephieboy

tom hunter (3,947 comments) says:
March 30th, 2014 at 7:40 pm,

Your miserable efforts to lay blame and the origins of the Birther movement on Hillary Clinton , her supporters and the Democrats are exposed here,

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/03/hillary-clinton-supporters-were-not-the-first-birthers/

More in depth from the link within the page above,

http://barackryphal.blogspot.co.nz/2011/06/secret-origin-of-birthers.html

Pathetic actually and the racism often associated with the Birther movement. ?
Well hiimmm,,,,,! . Pretty obvious to me.!
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March 30, 2014 9:32pm
ShawnLH

” Pretty obvious to me.!”

Because your an idiot associating with Jew haters and apologizing for them and trying to cover this by blaming the right.
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March 30, 2014 9:51pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth, I’ve my suspicions about your link by a certain Ketih Maart re his allegations of Israel foreknowledge of 9/11 and “possible “connections with Zim shipping.
One thing that arouses my skepticism is his reference and use of Chris Bollyn who has connections to the white supremacist publication American Free Press and its owner ,Neo Nazi David Barnes.
Immediately one senses a strong element of conformation bias on Maart’s part,

http://www.bollyn.com/14570/

Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is the tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
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March 30, 2014 9:53pm
stephieboy

UT, again the idea that Zim shipping left the WTC two weeks prior to the attacks and that therefore demonstrates aforeknowledge by Israel and Jews is repudiated here ,

http://www.911myths.com/html/zim_shipping.html

Shawn, I’m sorry but elements on the right indeed need to be blamed for the Birther canard .
Me a Jew hater .?? My responses to UT ,if you read carefully here and above , actually show otherwise.
But your likely to deluded to comprehend that small fact.
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March 30, 2014 10:11pm
Reid

You morons need to learn how to think and not hallucinate.

For example you’ve spent most of the day arguing not about whether or not Obama’s birth records are valid and why that may or may not be but rather, about whether or not believing such is wacist.

What a bunch of morons.

How do you ever expect to gain actual insight if you can’t even learn how to ask the right questions?
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March 30, 2014 10:19pm
ShawnLH

Stephieboy,

and elements of the Left, including many black Congressional Dem’s who support Obama, promote hatred of the Jews. Yet you talk about one and not the other. Your being a hypocrite, trying desperately to tar the Right while remaining silent or downplaying Jew haters in the Democratic Party, and throwing the accusation of racism around with infantile abandon.

You thus have zero credibility on the issue of racism.
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March 30, 2014 10:22pm
ShawnLH

Well, I’m back to full time work tomorrow, so for another year, bye all. And God bless. 🙂
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March 30, 2014 10:34pm
UglyTruth

Because your an idiot

Always remember to check your English before you accuse anyone of being an idiot, ShawnLH.
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March 31, 2014 4:01am
UglyTruth

UT, again the idea that Zim shipping left the WTC two weeks prior to the attacks and that therefore demonstrates aforeknowledge by Israel and Jews is repudiated here

Of course the idea will be repudiated, the implications of foreknowledge of a false flag event are obvious. Repudiation can take many forms, for example Erdogan’s clumsy repudiation of the wiretap evidence of Turkey’s planned false flag event against Syria, in which he blocked access to Twitter and Youtube. Repudiation indicates that opposition to an idea exists, and in general the amount of resistance is an indication of the significance of idea.

The manner in which repudiation takes place can also give an indication of the validity of the idea itself. An ad hominem attack is an indication that the idea being attacked is valid, while a logical and factual rebuttal is a strong indication that the idea is false. Stronger forms of repudiation involve lying about the idea or the source of the idea, for example ShawnLH’s false claims regarding Elizabeth Windsor’s involvement in the Canadian genocide.

The confirmation bias that you mentioned is a fact of life. Confirmation bias is more of a problem for people whose sense of identity is closely coupled to their beliefs. For example, people who are overtly religious are much more likely to suffer from confirmation bias than say, a tradesman. Mix religion with politics and you’ve got an potent environment for trampling the truth underfoot in the race to secure an ideological position.
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March 31, 2014 4:47am
igm

What’s the guts on this token Maori “Tojo” has appointed to try and wrest Rotorua from the Nats? He was trained by taxpayers at the centre of their training base, media . . . is he a rainbow or aspiring, if not, why not?
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March 31, 2014 7:29am
OneTrack

igm – Yes he is a rainbow so ticks two of the required Labour boxes. But he will be dragging down the female equality index. Moroney won’t be happy. There must have been at least one Maori, lesbian, woman that wanted to stand for the Labour Party. Ok, yeah, that last one might be a bit harder.
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March 31, 2014 7:38am
Viking2

Piece of Shit.

A man has been arrested after a police chase and a five-hour armed standoff, which came after two hitchhikers were found stabbed and with broken bones.

A German woman, 28, and Japanese and Dutch woman, 27, were picked up while hitchhiking at Whataroa on the South Island West Coast yesterday afternoon, Tasman District Commander Superintendent Richard Chambers said.

Police yesterday said they were yet to piece together exactly what happened to the tourists but the women were found near Franz Josef. One woman had stab wounds and the other had broken bones.

Police immediately started a search for the blue Nissan Terrano the women had been picked up in, using all available staff and setting up road blocks on State Highway 6.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9886237/Arrest-after-hitchhikers-left-stabbed-with-broken-bones

Strike? hopefully its at least two or three.
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