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Pete George

I hope I’m not as confusing as Windows 8. I started on CP/M and have worked my way through six versions of PC and MS DOS. I skipped early Windows but got in a bit at version 2 and then extensively at 3.1 and have worked my way up the versions (skipping ME and Vista). The worst transition by a long way is to Windows 8, it frustrates the hell out of me.
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March 28, 2014 8:11pm
nasska

As her son was getting ready for his date his the mother asked, “So where did you meet her?”
“On the internet” he told her.
“What, one of those dating sites?” she enquired.
“Yeah, sort of”, the son mumbled.
“Aww that’s sweet, so what’s her name?” She asked.
“WainuiomataSlut69”.
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March 28, 2014 8:15pm
Johnboy

Sorry Judith your logic has lost me there Hitler wrote Mein Kampf not me.

However I would have be proud to have written such a tome! 🙂

It’s just that my life has never been a struggle so I have never had the need to bother! 🙂
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March 28, 2014 8:15pm
Fletch

Pete. I never really got my head around it. I was really comfortable programming in Commodore=64 BASIC, and even some 6502 machine language but after that I never did much around programming in DOS or anything PC-related. I really should have learned.
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March 28, 2014 8:16pm
Weihana

Fletch (5,635 comments) says:
March 28th, 2014 at 7:52 pm

You’re suggesting (that is, if you believe in evolution), that all this developed randomly…

You are labouring under a misconception. Evolution is not “random”. The principle behind evolution is natural selection. Nature selects for those things that confer an advantage.
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March 28, 2014 8:16pm
Judith

@ johnboy

you said ‘he studies Mein Kampf’. Mein Kampf translates as ‘my struggles’ in German.

I thought you were telling us that he studies your struggles – I wasn’t aware you had any. 😛
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March 28, 2014 8:17pm
Johnboy

Why the fuck having got rid of your desktop do you have to head to right screen to get settings to get turn off to get do you want to when all you want is a bloody “OFF” button?

Gates is a fucking sadist! 🙂
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March 28, 2014 8:18pm
Johnboy

I was starting to think you were intelligent Judith. Your last couple have made me realise you’re a twat.

Everybody except you realises Hitler not Johnboy wrote Mein Kampf.

I think even krim.con knows that.
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March 28, 2014 8:23pm
Judith

@ Johnboy (13,187 comments) says:
March 28th, 2014 at 8:23 pm

It is a mistake to think anything about anyone on here or any internet site Johnboy IMO.

I was simply being a smartass to prevent getting into yet another argument about the current issue.
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March 28, 2014 8:26pm
Steve (North Shore)

I’m gonna set a trap for ‘minus’ Johnboy. I am not ‘minus’
I am right eye sighted and left eye sighted, actualy I am both eye sighted. I play snooker the same way!
Use the eye that is open lol
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March 28, 2014 8:26pm
Steve (North Shore)

nasska @ 8.15
Cloe lives
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March 28, 2014 8:31pm
Johnboy

Why would you not want to get into an argument about Windows 8 Judith?

Everyone knows it’s a dog! 🙂
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March 28, 2014 8:35pm
Johnboy

Chloe doesn’t live with me Steve (North Shore) and for that I am eternally grateful! 🙂
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March 28, 2014 8:37pm
nasska

Don’t the slippers float your boat JB? 🙂
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March 28, 2014 8:40pm
Fletch

Why would you not want to get into an argument about Windows 8 Judith?

The tiles.. the tiles!
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March 28, 2014 8:40pm
Judith

@ Johnboy (13,192 comments) says:
March 28th, 2014 at 8:35 pm

I’ll have you know I think a hell of a lot more of my dog, than I do of Windows 8. I had it and reverted back to Windows 7.
I’ve had a computer since 1988 – and apart from ME, Windows 8 would be the biggest headache of an operating system I’ve used.
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March 28, 2014 8:52pm
Johnboy

“I’ve had a computer since 1988″……. Late starter darling 🙂
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March 28, 2014 8:55pm
Johnboy

Let it be known that I am currently talking to you chaps on Windows 8 but it/you hasn’t improved my experience so I think I’ll pop off and check out the porn! 🙂
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March 28, 2014 8:58pm
SGA

Judith at 8:52 pm

I’ve had a computer since 1988

Just out of curiosity – what was it? I had an Osbourne (or Osborne?) for a while during the 80s.
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March 28, 2014 9:00pm
Judith

@ SGA

Can’t remember the first one, but the second one we got was a Commodore ?? Then it was a 386 (wahoo!!, such power!) and a disk drive! From then it was windows this that and the other…
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March 28, 2014 9:07pm
Judith

Johnboy (13,196 comments) says:
March 28th, 2014 at 8:58 pm
Let it be known that I am currently talking to you chaps on Windows 8

It’s okay, we won’t hold it against you. OS Jealousy is so ‘last year’.
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March 28, 2014 9:09pm
Judith

Oh dear, bit of an upset for the Crusaders!
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March 28, 2014 9:22pm
griffith

Toys when I was a kid where the obsolete artifacts of the rapid adoption of computing and ic’s
dad was a sales man for office equipment When we went from mechanical adding machines and pen pushing clerks to Ibm mainframes and puchcards in the sixtys/ seventys

I remember going with dad to deliver a component for an ibm mainframe somewhere on the SI west coast in around 1967/8
five years old and jammed into a triumph herald wagon with a hundred thousand dollars worth of cutting edge high-tech. :lol:we had a minor head on and dad shit himself at the potental damage.
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March 28, 2014 9:29pm
Harriet

“….Mein Kampf translates as ‘my struggles’ in German…….”

The Female Unuch -by Germanine Greer translates as ‘my struggles’- in the everyday bitching and whinging language of wimmin Judith. 😎
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March 28, 2014 9:34pm
Reid

It undoubtedly looks like Trotter has jumped the shark.

I think he’s sewing seeds of doubt about the campaign amongst the base Pete because of the fallout potential amongst every single party of the left since all have courted him. If you notice he uses the “elite” word a great deal and he not once mentions the “Nazi” word nor even touches on the allegations.

As you know in the left base they pride themselves on supporting those parties who are touchy-feely and weally weally weally care till their widdle hearts bleed and bleed and the allegation they’ve been courting a Nazi sympathiser clearly cuts to the very core of that hallucination their base actually truly does hold. Like a knife, in a heartbeat.

The left cannot afford to have that fester amongst the base for any time at all, it’s so powerful.

So I’m reading Trotter’s piece and thanks for the link, as a first shot in what’s going to become an extremely interesting propaganda silent war played out over the next few weeks between the left and the right.

I’ve said many times conservatives don’t get propaganda and from all their actions to date they don’t, whereas the left do get it and they live by it and they practice nothing but, all the time. So these next few weeks are going to be a test of that hypothesis and I really hope I’m proved wrong, but I don’t think I will be. I predict the conservatives will stand by and do nothing and leave Cam to make the running on his own. And I predict such action will allow the left to wriggle out of this trap and let them publicly distance themselves from KDC and isolate him in the quarantine center courtesy of their “serious” MSM connections who will play along with them, every step of the way.
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March 28, 2014 9:36pm
ShawnLH

Ugly Truth and Reid’s fellow travelers at work. This is where anti-Jewish conspiracies lead.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/27/victim-savage-anti-semitic-attack-in-paris-recounts-beating/?intcmp=latestnews
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March 28, 2014 9:37pm
Reid

Ugly Truth and Reid’s fellow travelers at work.

I love Jews Shawn. I hate Zionists.

Just like Jesus loved the Jewish people but hated the Jewish money changers (so much he made a whip out of cords and drove them out of the temple).

Want to be like Jesus?

Educate yourself.
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March 28, 2014 9:45pm
SPC

Nice little earner with the Canes at $4.60 to win.

May they bite a few more teams and turn them into teams that also miss the playoffs. The Chiefs and Blues next?

Funny thing is someone still has to win the New Zealand conference …
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March 28, 2014 10:03pm
Hodor

Well GD was a complete waste of time tonight with all this god bullshit.

However mikemild was spot on with pastafarianism – awesome stuff. Penne for your thoughts?
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March 28, 2014 10:18pm
Reid

Well GD was a complete waste of time tonight with all this god bullshit.

Yes. Far more important to discuss pathetic meaningless lives and the insignificant planet they live on for the short time they’re around.

I mean who knows how many important bimbos did who knows what important stuff while we were focused elsewhere, blocking people’s keyboards so they couldn’t even post a subject they wanted to discuss.

You must be very angry Hodor. I’m so sorry.
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March 28, 2014 10:29pm
Hodor

Lol I am not angry it is just a waste of time reading all of this theological claptrap based on some imaginary stories.

Why would you live your life based on some flaky crap from 2000 years ago? Laughable really.
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March 28, 2014 10:38pm
Ben Dover

J E S U S
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March 28, 2014 10:46pm
UglyTruth

Ugly Truth and Reid’s fellow travelers at work. This is where anti-Jewish conspiracies lead.

Misdirection. It’s about Zionism, not Judaism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q3DWyc4UKM4
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March 28, 2014 11:08pm
ShawnLH

” it is just a waste of time reading all of this theological claptrap based on some imaginary stories.”

How do you know they are imaginary?

“Why would you live your life based on some flaky crap from 2000 years ago? ”

Because I have experienced Jesus in my life, powerfully and deeply. I have learn’t to trust Him, which leads to trusting Scripture.
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March 28, 2014 11:10pm
ShawnLH

“I love Jews Shawn. I hate Zionists.”

Zionists are Jews, thus you hate Jews.

“Just like Jesus loved the Jewish people but hated the Jewish money changers”

He didn’t hate them, he opposed what they were doing, but not because they were Jews, and not because of some silly conspiracy theory.

I am educated. That is how I know the Khazar theory is hogwash.
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March 28, 2014 11:13pm
ShawnLH

“Let it be known that I am currently talking to you chaps on Windows 8”

Gotcha beat. Win 8.1 😉
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March 28, 2014 11:15pm
ShawnLH

Big Bruv,

“All the evidence shows that indoctrination is exactly what happens.”

LOL. “all the evidence”. You mean your opinion. Your confusing your prejudice with evidence bb.
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March 28, 2014 11:20pm
Hodor

ShawnLH – how do I know they are imaginary? Because there is no proof that they are real.. Simple really.

Don’t say the bible is proof because anyone can say some book is proof of anything.

“trust him” lol – how simple are you?
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March 28, 2014 11:23pm
ShawnLH

Weihana,

“However, I have no evidence for anything else”

Have you looked? The evidence is there, and much of it is staring you in the face.
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March 28, 2014 11:24pm
ShawnLH

Hodor,

“how do I know they are imaginary? Because there is no proof that they are real”

There is no “proof” they are not. Thus you cannot know intellectually one way or another. Thus you don’t in fact know as you claim. However millions upon millions of human beings have had experiences of the Divine. There sheer number of people who have had such experiences is evidence. Not proof (there is no proof of anything this side of death) but it is evidence.

““trust him” lol – how simple are you?”

How simple are you? Assuming that you cannot know if something is or is not there when you have not looked in the first place is being simple, or more accurately, it is limiting your knowledge solely based on prejudice.
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March 28, 2014 11:30pm
griffith

Get over your fantasy world spawn .
FAITH
By its very nature is ineffable
And unreal.
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March 28, 2014 11:36pm
ShawnLH

“Get over your fantasy”

Get over yours.

“FAITH By its very nature is ineffable”

Faith is trusting in the reality of the Living God and by it’s very nature, real.
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March 28, 2014 11:40pm
Hodor

There is no “proof” they are not. Thus you cannot know intellectually one way or another. However millions upon millions of human beings have had experiences of the Divine. There sheer number of people who have had such experiences is evidence.

Millions of people experienced the divine? Bullshit. They thought something and decided it was divine. Millions of people thought the world was flat which does not mean it is.

Looked? I don’t have to look. If there is some thing there that is so amazing surely it would be quite obvious. You are stating the existence of some thing so the onus is on you to prove it, which you can’t
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March 28, 2014 11:42pm
SPC

Faith in God is reasonable, the opine that there is no evidence that there is a God is also reasonable.

Thus a deist can co-exist with both those of faith and those who doubt the existence of God. It is even easier to co-exist with agnostics though as they don’t bring theism and belief in scripture into the debate, or go from a conviction that there is no God to disdain for those who have a faith in God.
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March 28, 2014 11:43pm
SPC

It was once said that one did not discuss politics or religion at the dinner table, as conflict was not good for enjoying the wine with the meal.

But those who discuss politics will have to deal with religion being mentioned and those who are religious have to accept the reality of political co-existence with those without faith.
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March 28, 2014 11:46pm
ShawnLH

“Millions of people experienced the divine? Bullshit. They thought something and decided it was divine.”

I have such experiences regularly. They are not mere thoughts.

“Millions of people thought the world was flat”

Not really. This is called urban myth. The idea that people believed the earth was flat was invented in the 19th century. Anyone familiar with classical Pagan and Christian cosmology knows that pre-“enlightenment” peoples did not believe in a flat earth.

“Looked? I don’t have to look.”

Self imposed blindness is irrational.

” If there is some thing there that is so amazing surely it would be quite obvious.”

It is obvious.

“You are stating the existence of some thing so the onus is on you to prove it”

No it’s not. The onus is on you to prove your claim that it’s not, but you can’t because as you admit, you refuse to look. And as I said, you cannot prove anything at all this side of death.

But there are ways to find out.
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March 28, 2014 11:48pm
SPC

That local JW had such a good game in Melbourne for the Rebels that I lost some fiat money on the Brumbies.
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March 28, 2014 11:48pm
griffith

The entire argument for god is based on Faith.

In a god you insist is Ineffable.

No faith leaves no logical reason to have such a concept.

Faith is confidence or trust in a person, thing, deity, in the doctrines or teachings of a religion, or view. It can also be belief that is not based on proof.[1]

Ineffability is concerned with ideas that cannot or should not be expressed in spoken words (or language in general), often being in the form of a taboo or incomprehensible term. This property is commonly associated with philosophy, aspects of existence, and similar concepts that are inherently “too great”, complex, or abstract to be adequately communicated. In addition, illogical statements, principles, reasons, and arguments may be considered intrinsically ineffable along with impossibilities, contradictions, and paradoxes. Terminology describing the nature of experience cannot be properly conveyed in dualistic symbolic language; it is believed that this knowledge is only held by the individual from which it originates. Profanity and vulgarisms can easily and clearly be stated, but by those who believe they should not be said, they are considered ineffable. Thus, one method of describing something that is ineffable is by using apophasis, i.e. describing what it is not, rather than what it is. The architect Le Corbusier described his design for the interior of the Chapel of Notre Dame du Haut at Ronchamp as “l’espace indicible” translated to mean ‘ineffable space’, a spiritual experience which was difficult to describe.
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March 28, 2014 11:52pm
ShawnLH

“The entire argument for god is based on Faith.”

No, not at all.

“Faith is confidence or trust in a person, thing, deity, in the doctrines or teachings of a religion, or view. It can also be belief that is not based on proof.”

There is no such thing as “proof” of anything. You cannot even prove that you exist.
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March 28, 2014 11:56pm
ShawnLH

No Evidence of the Supernatural?

Skeptics claim that there is no evidence that any kind of spiritual realm exists. However, scientific studies show the efficacy of intercessory prayer and the effects of religion on personal health. In addition, there is evidence of a spiritual realm that is devoted to the promulgation of evil.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/evidence_of_the_supernatural.html
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March 29, 2014 12:01am
griffith

“The entire argument for god is based on Faith.”

No, not at all.

😆

fail spawn

there is nothing else that anchors your world view.

all your argument for god’s existence are matters of your faith.

You are going to resort to your projection of such weakness onto me.

If you take out faith… no reason for belief in god

your entire proposition falls on the hurdle of empirical evidence.

How did you become effected with the faith virus?
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March 29, 2014 12:04am
Ben Dover

Talking about Faith

Noah

Russel Crowe is not allowed an Australian Passport

Russell Crowe loses fight to become Australian citizen due to immigration loophole

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confidential/russell-crowe-loses-fight-to-become-australian-citizen-due-to-immigration-loophole/story-fni0cvc9-1226670498096

“I know why the rules are in place and I understand and respect that, but there has to be some form of arbitration where you can state your case. These rules are not big enough to engage with the complexity of people’s lives.”

LIKE LAW MAKERS and FLAG ALTERERS

Most people don’t know what the NZ in ANZAC stands for do they?

Can’t Wait to see the Movie

if they banned it – IT IS GREAT

A truly inspirational KIWI
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March 29, 2014 12:05am
Ben Dover

Yep anyone seems to be able to come to NZ

and it does not seem to matter how successful you are in AUS

they are happy to take the tax money and take the p8ss

but if he was from any other country they would

ROLL OUT THE “RED” CARPET
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March 29, 2014 12:07am
ShawnLH

“all your argument for god’s existence are matters of your faith.”

They are matters of faith, reason and experience.

“If you take out faith… no reason for belief in god”

There is reason for faith in God in reason itself.

“your entire proposition falls on the hurdle of empirical evidence.”

Prove to me you exist.
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March 29, 2014 1:59am
ShawnLH

Dr. Timothy Keller. The truth about atheism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qndkC-vGLBw
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March 29, 2014 2:00am
ShawnLH

The Incoherence of Atheism – Ravi Zacharias.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6cTlDn4PiU
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March 29, 2014 2:04am
SPC

Meanwhile the hunter has identified an object in the new search area. They will be sending in the sea dogs to identify whether this is real evidence of the continuing existence of debris from the missing plane.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26786549
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March 29, 2014 2:15am
Ben Dover

HEY D HEAD

“The Meaning of Life is Life itself”

pretty simple look around
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March 29, 2014 10:16am
Ben Dover

Now seeing as JK has raised gst to 15% you probably can’t afford to waste money on the herald

so some news from – the chinese newspaper

“GLOBAL TIMES”

Global being the “operative word”

>
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/851476.shtml
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In his speech in France, Xi described China as a “peaceful, amicable and civilized” lion that has woken up. He was referring to French emperor Napoleon Bonaparte’s description of China as a sleeping lion, which would “shake the world” after it woke up.

>
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/851275.shtml
China urges US to stop arms sales to Taiwan

The comments also came days ahead of the arrival of some US-made Apache attack helicopters in Taiwan.

“Some Americans have recently clamored for arms sales to Taiwan, which is not in line with joint efforts by China and the United States to build a new model of relations, including a new model of military relations, between major powers,” Geng said.
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March 29, 2014 10:23am
RichardX

ShawnLH (764 comments) says:
March 29th, 2014 at 12:01 am
No Evidence of the Supernatural?
Skeptics claim that there is no evidence that any kind of spiritual realm exists. However, scientific studies show the efficacy of intercessory prayer and the effects of religion on personal health. In addition, there is evidence of a spiritual realm that is devoted to the promulgation of evil.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/evidence_of_the_supernatural.html

The scientific evidence is against you on the efficacy of intercessory prayer and as far as the effects of religion on personal health, no one denies the placebo effect

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-prayer-prescription/

http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/html/3_31STEP.html

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-power-of-faith-and-prayer/

This last one is just for the balance against your apologetics website
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/15/study-concludes-intercessory-prayer-doesnt-work-christians-twist-the-results/
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