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Ryan Sproull

I never attempted Atlas Shrugged, but I read her attempts at philosophy and had a similar reaction.
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March 26, 2014 12:25pm
Weihana

ShawnLH (638 comments) says:
March 26th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

Anarcho-Monarchism

So basically this + this = you?
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March 26, 2014 12:26pm
ShawnLH

Dime,

apart from being aware of who he is, I have never read anything by him to be able to make a judgement one way or another.
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March 26, 2014 12:29pm
griffith

Very close Weihana

It should have been king Charley for the full impact of S.LH’s twisted reality. 😆
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March 26, 2014 12:33pm
cha

March 25th 1854:

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The direct consequences of a war with Russia we look upon with no apprehension, at least under existing circumstances. It may be costly; it may be troublesome; if Russia be obstinate when defeated it may be longer than we expect; but we cannot pretend to entertain the smallest doubt of the triumphant success of the allied arms both on sea and land. The Czar has, no doubt, an almost unlimited command of men—the principal but not the sole raw material of armies; and we can believe that he may be profuse and reckless in the use of them. But there his only advantage in the war he has brought upon us ceases. He has no great wealth; and the commerce which brings wealth will be cruelly cut up by war. His nobles will suffer both by the abstraction of their peasants, and the diminution of their traffic; they will have to pay a higher price for the foreign luxuries they import, and will receive a lower price for the agricultural produce with which they purchase them. They will thus be both impoverished and discontented. The commercial classes will suffer in like manner; and the combined inﬂuence of the two will probably be strongly exercised in favour of an early peace.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2014/03/crimean-war?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ar/realdangersofwar
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March 26, 2014 12:37pm
Harriet

“…..This has culminated in a great recession driven fundamentally by an inability of too many people to sustain high levels of personal debt while attempting to continue to drive the consumer demand that supports the living standards they expect to enjoy….”

No. They simply didn’t evaluate their risk correctly at the outset and borrowed too much. Or didn’t really give a shit at all. If things seem too good to be true they probably are[low interest rates in booming economies is always a sign that a large correction will happen in the forseeable future].

And that behaviour -over borrowing- is what fueled the bubble. Typical crowd behaviour saw it blow up. We used to call it greed.
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March 26, 2014 12:38pm
dime

Shawn – he does a podcast. The biggest philosophy podcast in the world.. he was my introduction to libertarianism.

He seems a bit obsessed with bit coin though.. suspect hes making money promoting/ speaking about it.

He does some good podcasts on historical figures. Quite a good listen.
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March 26, 2014 12:38pm
Weihana

griffith (316 comments) says:
March 26th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

Very close Weihana

It should have been king Charley for the full impact of S.LH’s twisted reality.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/30/article-2406519-1B84E13F000005DC-617_306x459.jpg

O Google… is there anything you cannot find for me? 🙂
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March 26, 2014 12:40pm
ShawnLH

Ok dime, I’ll check him out.
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March 26, 2014 12:40pm
ShawnLH

Griff! 🙂

Here’s one for you!

Dissent among scientists over key climate impact report.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26655779
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March 26, 2014 12:41pm
calendar girl

Harriet@12:11pm – “prescribed” rather than “proscribed”?
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March 26, 2014 12:47pm
Manolo

Dissent among scientists over key climate impact report.

All in vain. Akin to asking a Muslim to eat pork.
Griff is a deeply addled fundamentalist and AGW supporter, someone incapable of listening to reason or contrary opinion.
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March 26, 2014 12:55pm
griffith

Dissent among scientists over key climate impact report.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26655779

“The message in the first draft was that through adaptation and clever development these were manageable risks, but it did require we get our act together,” he told BBC News.

“This has completely disappeared from the draft now, which is all about the impacts of climate change and the four horsemen of the apocalypse. This is a missed opportunity.”

Critics say that some aspects of the projected effects are “alarmist”, such as the impact on conflict and migration caused by climate change.

“You have a very silly statement in the draft summary that says that people who live in war-torn countries are more vulnerable to climate change, which is undoubtedly true,” said Prof Tol.

;But if you ask people in Syria whether they are more concerned with chemical weapons or climate change, I think they would pick chemical weapons – that is just silliness."

http://scienceblogs.com/significantfigures/index.php/2013/06/10/syria-water-climate-change-and-violent-conflict/
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March 26, 2014 12:58pm
mikenmild

The ‘dissent among scientists’ refers to differences over what to do about climate change. It will provide little comfort to any of Kiwiblog’s resident denialists.
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March 26, 2014 12:59pm
cha

My own Traditionalist Conservative Anarcho-Monarchism is about as far from Rand as it is possible to get. Rand was an enthusiastic modernist who despised religion. I’m a Christian who despises modernism.

So you’re one of Nick Land’s Evola meets 4chan/pol/ fuckwits.

http://www.vocativ.com/culture/uncategorized/dark-enlightenment-creepy-internet-movement-youd-better-take-seriously/
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March 26, 2014 1:06pm
griffith

having to support the IPCC committee generated gap between the actual opinions of those who generally grasp the complexity and inherent risks.

Alarmist would be ignoring the scientific concept of stastistcal certainties and over emphasizing the possible risks.

:sob: They always label me alarmist when it is the entire scientific community baring a few shrill and nut whacks.. 😈 😆 .
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March 26, 2014 1:12pm
ShawnLH

Fisking Monbiot.

George Monbiot’s worst-ever Guardian column – and that’s saying something!

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100135439/george-monbiots-worst-ever-guardian-column-%E2%80%93-and-thats-saying-something/

Clearly not a reliable source, on anything, let alone libertarianism.
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March 26, 2014 1:17pm
ShawnLH

“It will provide little comfort to any of Kiwiblog’s resident denialists.”

It will provide little comfort to alarmists who claim the IPPC is a neutral and non-politicized body that can always be trusted.
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March 26, 2014 1:25pm
Paulus

Forget Putin’s stupidity – the next world war will be over water.
China is changing the courses of rivers to get water that it sorely needs.
By doing so it is damming up rivers which normally go to other countries – Bangladesh, Burma, India, and some of the ………stans.
These other countries are now being deprived of their normal supply of water very quickly.
Despite this China is running out of water anyway.
Much is a fast creeping desert, like Australia.
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March 26, 2014 1:27pm
stephieboy

Shawn LH,

Monibot’s thesis was that there is a link between conservative views and low intelligence is arguably a tenable one judging by your recent posts.
I think you’ll find there there is an element of parody and lampooning in his original article but with a kernel of truth.

http://www.monbiot.com/2012/02/06/liberal-constipation/
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March 26, 2014 1:47pm
kowtow

Talking of constipation, any Monbiot kernal is akin to the corn kernal in a turd from yesterday’s dinner.And about as useful or attractive.
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March 26, 2014 1:57pm
griffith

Have you read it?

http://www.american.com/archive/2009/october/are-liberals-smarter-than-conservatives

The papers actual conclusion is the right-wing liberals are not only more intelligent than conservatives but are more intelligent than their left wing brethren. 😯 .
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March 26, 2014 1:58pm
igm

Why does “Tojo” Cunliffe try and foot in financial matters? Having the fiscal nous of a typical Labour loser, even a CV of lies and deception, he would do better keeping quiet. His analysis of Genesis shares is a joke, and like his usual distorted views, a joke. Even though Lecher Parker is a bankrupt, he seems to have a better grasp of matters financial, than Tojo.
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March 26, 2014 2:01pm
ShawnLH

“Monibot’s thesis was that there is a link between conservative views and low intelligence is arguably a tenable one judging by your recent posts.”

Says the boy who claimed Ayn Rand is the founder of libertarianism! 🙂

“I think you’ll find there there is an element of parody and lampooning in his original article”

I doubt it.

“but with a kernel of truth.”

No truth except another example of the arrogant Left engaging in pseudo-intellectual masturbation.
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March 26, 2014 2:04pm
stephieboy

Shawn LH,

Correct , Rand was a major influential founder of the modern Libertarian Movement that is indisputable.
But am so glad I’ve got you yelping and yowling.
Obviously touched a raw nerve there.
Good.! Just what I wanted. Keep it up.
The truth hurts.
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March 26, 2014 2:12pm
griffith

Pigeon chess.!!
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March 26, 2014 2:15pm
ShawnLH

“Correct , Rand was a major influential founder of the modern Libertarian Movement that is indisputable.”

It is totally disputable. Rand was the founder of Objectivism.

A far, far better candidate for any “founder” of the modern movement would be Murray Rothbard. Rothbard’s book “For A New Liberty” was vastly more influential than anything by Rand.

You would know about Rothbard if you had actually done any serious research into the subject. But, I guess it’s easier just to pull drivel out of your ass, or out of Monbiot’s, and pretend that it’s an example of your intellectual superiority. 🙂

Real intellectual grunt work requires reading books and knowing your subject, not mindlessly repeating a lefty journo’s opinions.
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March 26, 2014 2:18pm
mikenmild

Loonies who won’t quit:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/9870620/Fluoride-fight-goes-to-Court-of-Appeal
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March 26, 2014 2:32pm
stephieboy

Shawn LH,

“Real intelectual grunt work.”

You could of fooled me.

Detail if you can where your Rothbart precisely departs from Rand. ?
Also how did Greenspan get things so wrong as a devoted follower of her.?
“Objectivsim ” versus whatever. ? You see my point the Libertarian cult like the Marxist one splintering off into rival sects and denominations.
Hilarious .!
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March 26, 2014 2:40pm
ShawnLH

“You could of fooled me.”

Easily, if your taken in by Monbiot.

“Also how did Greenspan”

Greenspan is not a libertarian either. Now repeat after me, one hundred times: Ayn Rand was not a Libertarian.

“Detail if you can where your Rothbart precisely departs from Rand.”

Read a book. Here, I’ll make it easier for you: https://mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf

““Objectivsim ” versus whatever. ? You see my point the Libertarian cult like the Marxist one splintering off into rival sects and denominations.”

There was no “splintering” as Objectivism and Libertarianism are not and were not the same thing to begin with. Your talking about two different movements, not one movement splintering. Getting your facts wrong again.
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March 26, 2014 2:46pm
ShawnLH

Rand condemned libertarianism as being a greater threat to freedom and capitalism than both modern liberalism and conservatism.[15] Rand regarded Objectivism as an integrated philosophical system. Libertarianism, in contrast, is a political philosophy which confines its attention to matters of public policy. For example, Objectivism argues positions in metaphysics, epistemology, and ethics, whereas libertarianism does not address such questions. Rand believed that political advocacy could not succeed without addressing what she saw as its methodological prerequisites. Rand rejected any affiliation with the libertarian movement and many other Objectivists have done so as well.[16]

Rand said of libertarians that: “They’re not defenders of capitalism. They’re a group of publicity seekers…. Most of them are my enemies”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism_and_Objectivism#Philosophical_disagreements

The most any informed person could say is that there are some parallels between Libertarianism and Objectivism. But not a lot. They were and are two different movements.
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March 26, 2014 3:00pm
stephieboy

Oh dear I think I’ve got you over a barrel with your darling Murray Rothbard who has used and abused his Libertarian thinking to justify racial discrimination. This is based on his support for the Bell Curve that postulates that variations in intelligence among races are based on genetics . He has gone on and supported Ron Paul in the 2008 Presidential campaign who used state rights ands Libertarianism to justify and rationalize racial and employment discrimination etc based on the individuals right to choose.
Furthermore he has gone one step further praised and supported the likes of ex Klansman Dave Duke ,notorious conspiracy theorist and Holocaust denier.
The guy’s a fruitcake.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.nz/2010/07/murray-rothbard-lew-rockwell-and.html

and Ron Paul cast his lot with extremists, conspiracists ,

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/29/ron_paul_casts_lot_with_extremists_conspiracy_theorists_partner/

Hmmmm…!
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March 26, 2014 3:01pm
Weihana

ShawnLH (658 comments) says:
March 26th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

Rothbard’s book “For A New Liberty” was vastly more influential than anything by Rand.

Vastly more influential? This evaluation is not just a wee bit biased? 🙂

From Rothbard’s Wiki page:

In 1958, after the publication of her novel, Atlas Shrugged, Rothbard wrote a “fan letter” to Rand, calling her book “an infinite treasure house,” and “not merely the greatest novel ever written, [but] one of the very greatest books ever written, fiction or nonfiction.” He also wrote that “you introduced me to the whole field of natural rights and natural law philosophy,” prompting him to learn “the glorious natural rights tradition.”

I don’t see a reference to Rothbard on Rand’s Wiki. The wiki for Atlas Shrugged details:

Atlas Shrugged debuted on The New York Times Bestseller List at #13 three days after its publication. It peaked at #3 on December 8, 1957, and was on the list for 22 consecutive weeks.

It goes on to detail it’s influence:

In 1997, the libertarian Cato Institute held a joint conference with The Atlas Society, an Objectivist organization, to celebrate the fortieth anniversary of the publication of Atlas Shrugged.[56] At this event, Howard Dickman of Reader’s Digest stated that the novel had “turned millions of readers on to the ideas of liberty” and said that the book had the important message of the readers’ “profound right to be happy”.[56] In 2013 John Goedde, Chair of the Idaho Senate’s Education Committee, proposed that Atlas Shrugged be required reading for all Idaho high school students, with mandatory testing on the tome a requirement for high school graduation. Although legislation to that effect was introduced, the Senator had no plans to push the plan for adoption.[57]

The C-SPAN television series American Writers listed Rand as one of twenty-two surveyed figures of American literature, though primarily mentioning The Fountainhead rather than Atlas Shrugged.[58]

Rand’s impact on contemporary libertarian thought has been considerable; the title of the libertarian magazine, Reason: Free Minds, Free Markets, is taken directly from John Galt, the hero of Atlas Shrugged, who argues that “a free mind and a free market are corollaries”.

It’s influence has also drawn negative reactions from prominent figures:

Nobel Prize-winning economist and commentator Paul Krugman alluded to a quip[60][61] by John Rogers in his blog: “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”

It has also enjoyed renewed attention in recent times:

In the late 2000s, the book gained more media attention and conservative commentators suggested the book as a warning against a socialistic reaction to the finance crisis.

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BioShock, the critically acclaimed 2007 videogame is widely considered to be a deconstruction of Atlas Shrugged…

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Sales of Atlas Shrugged have increased since the 2007 financial crisis, according to The Economist magazine and The New York Times. The Economist reported that the fifty-two-year-old novel ranked #33 among Amazon.com’s top-selling books on January 13, 2009 and that its thirty-day sales average showed the novel selling three times faster than during the same period of the previous year. With an attached sales chart, The Economist reported that sales “spikes” of the book seemed to coincide with the release of economic data. Subsequently, on April 2, 2009, Atlas Shrugged ranked #1 in the “Fiction and Literature” category at Amazon and #15 in overall sales.[73][74][75] Total sales of the novel in 2009 exceeded 500,000 copies.[76] The book sold 445,000 copies in 2011, the second-strongest sales year in the novel’s history. At the time of publication, the novel was on The New York Times best-seller list and was selling at roughly a third the volume of 2011

And of course lets not forget they’ve also recently turned the book into an awful movie!

And for the wiki on Rothbard’s book?

It is the only book for which Rothbard received a mainstream publishing contract.

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In 2006 the Ludwig von Mises Institute released a new hardbound edition, with a new introduction by Lew Rockwell.

So one is a best-selling publication, receives anniversary celebrations, is regularly commented on both positively and negatively by large numbers of prominent figures (including a nobel prize winner), is adapted to other forms of entertainment and multimedia… but is less influential than the rather esoteric ‘For A New Liberty’?
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March 26, 2014 3:21pm
Weihana

ShawnLH (659 comments) says:
March 26th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

The most any informed person could say is that there are some parallels between Libertarianism and Objectivism. But not a lot. They were and are two different movements.

Not really. Rand’s argument was that they had stolen her political ideas and discarded the philosophical justifications used to derive those conclusions. Ironic, but it was indicative of the personality-cult status of her following.

In plain usage “libertarianism” is a broad term that encompasses many diverse ideologies and Objectivism would included in that.
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March 26, 2014 3:28pm
Weihana

stephieboy (851 comments) says:
March 26th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

Detail if you can where your Rothbart precisely departs from Rand. ?

Rand belives government should exercise a monopoly on the use of force. Rothbard believes private protection agencies should compete in a free market.
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March 26, 2014 3:33pm
Manolo

For stephieboy, Obama lover: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/rumsfeld-us-ties-karzai-gone-downhill-toboggan-under-obama
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March 26, 2014 3:48pm
Fletch

I didn’t really know what to think of Ayn Rand, until the read the following piece that connects her work with that of Satanist Anton La Vey (author of the book The Satanic Bible)

As you’ve probably guessed by this point, I’m not really talking about LaVey but about his mentor, Ayn Rand. The ascendency of LaVey and his embrace by “conservative” leaders would indeed cause paroxysms of indignation. Yet, while the two figures’ philosophies are nearly identical, Rand appears to have received a pass. Why is that?

Perhaps most are unaware of the connection, though LaVey wasn’t shy about admitting his debt to his inspiration. “I give people Ayn Rand with trappings,” he once told the Washington Post . On another occasion he acknowledged that his brand of Satanism was “just Ayn Rand’s philosophy with ceremony and ritual added.” Indeed, the influence is so apparent that LaVey has been accused of plagiarizing part of his “Nine Satanic Statements” from the John Galt speech in Rand’s Atlas Shrugged .

Devotees of Rand may object to my outlining the association between the two. They will say I am proposing “guilt by association,” a form of the ad hominem fallacy . But I am not attacking Rand for the overlap of her views with LaVey’s; I am saying that, at their core, they are the same philosophy . LaVey was able to recognize what many conservatives fail to see: Rand’s doctrines are satanic.

[…]

But to be a follower of both Rand and Christ is not possible. The original Objectivist was a type of self-professed anti-Christ who hated Christianity and the self-sacrificial love of its founder. She recognized that those Christians who claimed to share her views didn’t seem to understand what she was saying.

Many conservatives admire Rand because she was anti-collectivist. But that is like admiring Stalin because he opposed Nazism. Stalin was against the Nazis because he wanted to make the world safe for Communism. Likewise, Rand stands against collectivism because she wants the freedom to abolish Judeo-Christian morality. Conservative Christians who embrace her as the “enemy-of-my-enemy” seem to forget that she considered us the enemy.

http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2011/06/the-fountainhead-of-satanism

Some of Rand’s writings or books may appeal to conservatives, but I’d be careful of the underlying philosophies.
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March 26, 2014 4:01pm
Ryan Sproull

On another occasion he acknowledged that his brand of Satanism was “just Ayn Rand’s philosophy with ceremony and ritual added.”

Another way of saying that unrestrained capitalism is just Satanism with the ceremony and ritual removed.
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March 26, 2014 4:23pm
ShawnLH

Weihana,

Yes, in terms of real influence on, and as an example of, actual libertarian thinking and policy, Rothbard wins easily. Atlas Shrugged was influential, but not in terms of serious policy. I would argue that the same would be true of Friedrich von Hayek vs Rand.

That there are parallels between Objectivism and Libertarianism is true, but I disagree that the latter includes the former, as Objectivism is not a political philosophy. Moreover, libertarianism in it’s various forms has been around for a couple of hundred years at least, making Stephieboy’s claim about Rand ludicrous.

But then stephieboy is intellectually lazy. Unable to make his own arguments, all he has done is cut and paste other peoples, because he has not bothered to read any primary sources, including Rand, has almost zero knowledge of what libertarianism is, and is happy to let other people think for him.
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March 26, 2014 4:33pm
griffith

😆

Muppet knows all the books.
He just fails to connect the dots between his religion and free thinking.
Always to stumble on the leap of faith.
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March 26, 2014 4:46pm
ShawnLH

“He just fails to connect the dots between his religion and free thinking.”

And what would they be Griff? Come on, I haven’t had a laugh since stephieboy’s last post 😉
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March 26, 2014 4:50pm
igm

Has Lecher signed up with the obese German criminal yet? They both should be on the next flight out!
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March 26, 2014 5:10pm
Ross12

What do they teach at schools these days ?

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/22171216/early-flu-jab-not-the-worst-idea/

This article refers to a spring time epidemic starting in Hawkes Bay.
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March 26, 2014 5:12pm
goldnkiwi

Judith (5,358 comments) says:

March 26th, 2014 at 8:15 am

I am fascinated by ‘Judith’s’ opinion regarding the presumed proclivity of first time violent offenders not having to wait for third strikes let alone seconds. It makes me wonder what the ‘prognosis’ of former murderers would be if tried today before they killed again. For a minute there I thought ‘Judith’ was someone else. I have always thought ‘Judith’ an apologist for such types.
Clearly ‘Judith’ is just misunderstood.
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March 26, 2014 5:17pm
griffith

Everyone therefore who hears these words of mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man, who built his house on a rock. The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it didn’t fall, for it was founded on the rock. Everyone who hears these words of mine, and doesn’t do them will be like a foolish man, who built his house on the sand. The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.

Ignore your religious connotations and apply thought to the foundation of your reasoning .

I wise man builds his world on the rock of reason.

A foolish one builds his world on the sand of faith.
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March 26, 2014 5:18pm
Fletch

griff, you’re saying that faith are reason and opposites, yet I say they work together.

In a 1941 lecture called “Science, Philosophy and Religion: a Symposium,” prepared for a conference at the Jewish Theological Institute in New York, Albert Einstein gave insight into his view that both realms of religion and science are valid:

Science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration towards truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith. The situation may be expressed by an image: Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
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March 26, 2014 5:28pm
ShawnLH

“Ignore your religious connotations and apply thought to the foundation of your reasoning”

Man is not reason alone. Cartesian rationalism has ruled the West for a hundred years at least. It gave us two world wars, decades of being on the brink of nuclear annihilation, Communism, Fascism, and social democrat crony capitalism, all predicated on Cartesian rationalism. “Reason” has been the cry of most tyrants and tyrannies of the modern world.

Reason is a tool, useful for some things, but dangerous when made the only source of truth, goodness and beauty.

And observably, we are not reason alone. The depth and breadth of human experience, love, art, family, heroism, self-sacrifice, evil, goodness and faith cannot be adequately explained by reason alone.

“A foolish one builds his world on the sand of faith.”

A wise man builds on faith, reason and tradition. Any one alone becomes unbalanced and dangerous.
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March 26, 2014 5:34pm
griffith

Religious views of Albert Einstein
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/may/12/peopleinscience.religion

“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.”

Einstein, who was Jewish and who declined an offer to be the state of Israel’s second president, also rejected the idea that the Jews are God’s favoured people.

“For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything ‘chosen’ about them.”

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March 26, 2014 5:36pm
Fletch

griff, I am well aware of Einstein’s beliefs. Although he didn’t believe in a personal God, per se, he still believed in God.
For example, in a 1943 conversation with William Hermanns recorded in Hermanns’ book Einstein and the Poet, Einstein said: “As I have said so many times, God doesn’t play dice with the world.”
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March 26, 2014 5:42pm
stephieboy

More on Murry Rothbart’s overtly racist sentiments,

In his review of Herrnstein and Murray’s ‘The Bell Curve’, Murray Rothbard praised the book for “expressing in massively stupefying scholarly detail what everyone has always known but couldn’t dare to express about race, intelligence, and heritability”. Rothbard reached the following conclusion:

Quote:
SO: WHY TALK ABOUT RACE AT ALL?

If, then, the Race Question is really a problem for statists and not for paleos, why should we talk about the race matter at all? Why should it be a political concern for us; why not leave the issue entirely to the scientists?

Two reasons we have already mentioned; to celebrate the victory of freedom of inquiry and of truth for its own sake; and a bullet through the heart of the egalitarian-socialist project. But there is a third reason as well: as a powerful defense of the results of the free market. If and when we as populists and libertarians abolish the welfare state in all of its aspects, and property rights and the free market shall be triumphant once more, many individuals and groups will predictably not like the end result. In that case, those ethnic and other groups who might be concentrated in lower-income or less prestigious occupations, guided by their socialistic mentors, will predictably raise the cry that free-market capitalism is evil and “discriminatory” and that therefore collectivism is needed to redress the balance. In that case, the intelligence argument will become useful to defend the market economy and the free society from ignorant or self-serving attacks. In short; racialist science is properly not an act of aggression or a cover for oppression of one group over another, but, on the contrary, an operation in defense of private property against assaults by aggressors.

Rothbard was proud to be a ‘racialist’ because racialism exposed the true source of inequality in a free market, namely genetics. A belief in biological racial inequality was, for Rothbard, part of the libertarian project, because racial inequality was simply how markets reflected nature.

Thus why Libertarianism is inherently racist and also anti women’s rights.

As you go more into Rothbard’s thinking the weirder and crankier it becomes.

http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27189
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March 26, 2014 6:00pm
nasska

Gods don’t kill people.

People with Gods kill people.
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March 26, 2014 6:05pm
Steve (North Shore)

Snap, Nasska
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March 26, 2014 6:09pm
Reid

People with Gods kill people.

People who misinterpret God kill people.
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March 26, 2014 6:12pm
Ryan Sproull

All fucking kinds of people kill people.
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March 26, 2014 6:13pm
griffith

all kinds of smegging isims kill people.
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March 26, 2014 6:32pm
Pete George

On odd 3 ‘news’ item tonight, includi8ng a build up on Twitter.

Brooke Sabin had obviously been supplied with information and ‘surprised’ Kim Dotcom with a question about Nazi memorabilia.

Dotcom explained that he had possibly the copy of Mein Kampf that had been signed by Hitler.

So what? I think this was supposed to be a major revelation before the launch of the Internet Party tomorrow. I think it’s irrelevant.

Dotcom’s Mein Kampf
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March 26, 2014 6:33pm
Weihana

ShawnLH (664 comments) says:
March 26th, 2014 at 4:33 pm
Weihana,

Yes, in terms of real influence on, and as an example of, actual libertarian thinking and policy, Rothbard wins easily. Atlas Shrugged was influential, but not in terms of serious policy. I would argue that the same would be true of Friedrich von Hayek vs Rand.

Serious policy? Privately owned streets? Privatized police forces? Surely you jest!

The difference with Hayek is that, like Rand, he is also someone of broad influence. The road to serfdom was a best-seller, his writings are cited by many prominent economists and politicians, demonstrating the impact of the book.

You seem to define “real influence” as appeal to some select group of self-identified ‘thinkers’, while ignoring the perhaps more subtle, but no less significant, influence of broad appeal to a mass audience.

That there are parallels between Objectivism and Libertarianism is true, but I disagree that the latter includes the former, as Objectivism is not a political philosophy. Moreover, libertarianism in it’s various forms has been around for a couple of hundred years at least, making Stephieboy’s claim about Rand ludicrous.

Rand’s point was that Libertarianism was a subset of Objectivism, but without the philosophical justification: e.g. non-aggression is taken as an axiom, rather than a derived principle.

Also, it seems a stretch to say Libertarianism has been around for a couple hundred years by referencing the likes of Locke. That isn’t libertarianism.
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March 26, 2014 6:39pm
ShawnLH

“Thus why Libertarianism is inherently racist and also anti women’s rights.”

Discussing racial differences is not inherently racist, except in the minds of those enslaved to the cult of Cultural Marxism. And how can a philosophy that espouses individual freedom be opposed to real women’s rights, unless of course your notion of women’s rights is the paternalistic misogyny that you now better how to run their lives?

Still unable to come up with a rational argument of your own stephie? You can keep cutting and pasting other’s if you life, but don’t expect me to take you seriously.

Did you read Rothbard himself? Nooo, that would be too much like real intellectual work now wouldn’t it. 🙂
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March 26, 2014 6:40pm
Pete George

However that may be only a small part of the story. Whale Oil has much more detail:

Kim Dotcom: Owns rare copy of Mein Kampf, a Nazi flag & loves Adolf Hitler
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March 26, 2014 6:43pm
ShawnLH

Pete,

I’m no fab of DC but that story struck me as a beat up as well. He mentioned having a wide variety of war memorabilia, including stuff from Churchill and Stalin.
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March 26, 2014 6:47pm
ShawnLH

“Also, it seems a stretch to say Libertarianism has been around for a couple hundred years by referencing the likes of Locke. That isn’t libertarianism.”

Look up any encyclopedia reference to libertarianism.
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March 26, 2014 6:49pm
Reid

Dotcom explained that he had possibly the copy of Mein Kampf that had been signed by Hitler…I think it’s irrelevant.

I agree with you Pete. Some are commenting on Whale too but I bet TV3 didn’t mention that when Amazon posted Mein Kampf recently in Kindle format sales exploded, the explanation being that while people didn’t want it seen on their bookshelves they were happy to read it “privately.”

I don’t go for it myself but the autograph market is huge and it covers everyone in every field. Hitler quite frankly is no different from anyone else and possession of his autograph is an investment same as any other.
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March 26, 2014 6:50pm
Weihana

ShawnLH (668 comments) says:
March 26th, 2014 at 6:49 pm

“Also, it seems a stretch to say Libertarianism has been around for a couple hundred years by referencing the likes of Locke. That isn’t libertarianism.”

Look up any encyclopedia reference to libertarianism.

Any encyclopedia reference to Ayn Rand will probably mention Aristotle. Doesn’t mean Aristotle was an Objectivist.
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March 26, 2014 6:58pm
Fletch

People who believe in God also help by way of schools, orphanages, hospitals, food banks, community outreach, charities, volunteering in homeless shelters, visiting prisoners, and the like.
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March 26, 2014 7:04pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

Hitler quite frankly is no different from anyone else and possession of his autograph is an investment same as any other.

Nope, disagree. Seeking to profit from one of the most evil men alive says something about Dotcom. But then, the man is a slimeball anyway, this is just another confirmation.
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March 26, 2014 7:05pm
nasska

….”People who believe in God also help by way of schools, orphanages, hospitals, food banks, community outreach, charities, volunteering in homeless shelters, visiting prisoners, and the like.”….

They’re usually trying to build up a few Brownie points for when they’re off to meet Skydaddy. That & pushing their religious rubbish down the throats of those poor wretches in receipt of their time & beneficence.
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March 26, 2014 7:14pm
mikenmild

Fletch
People who don’t believe in God also help by way of schools, orphanages, hospitals, food banks, community outreach, charities, volunteering in homeless shelters, visiting prisoners, and the like.
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March 26, 2014 7:15pm
stephieboy

Reid,

Hitler : A Study in Tyranny by Alan Bullock,

http://www.amazon.com/Hitler-Study-Tyranny-Alan-Bullock/dp/0060920203

J
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March 26, 2014 7:15pm
griffith

Book burning.
Now were have we seen that before.
Mein kampf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf

It’s just a book !

Hitler had a pivotal role in our History.

You must Examine his ideas if you seek to honestly reject them.
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March 26, 2014 7:15pm
Weihana

Reid,

I don’t go for it myself but the autograph market is huge and it covers everyone in every field. Hitler quite frankly is no different from anyone else and possession of his autograph is an investment same as any other.

A market for autographs does not exist by virtue of every signature being “no different from anyone else”.
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March 26, 2014 7:18pm
ShawnLH

“Any encyclopedia reference to Ayn Rand will probably mention Aristotle. Doesn’t mean Aristotle was an Objectivist.”

Ideas are not static seperate entities that grow in a vacuum. They have roots.

Private property anarchism has been around, in it’s modern forms at least, since the 18th century.

“Jakob Mauvillon (8 March 1743 in Leipzig – 11 January 1794 in Braunschweig), son of Eleazar Mauvillon, was an 18th-century figure in German liberalism. He was of French Huguenot descent. He was a professor of politics at Brunswick. He advocated a radical laissez-faire philosophy, which included proposals for the privatisation of all the schools and the postal system, to be funded privately rather than by taxes. He speculated that the security functions of the state might also be voluntarily funded.

Besides advocating laissez-faire in economic matters he also “expresses a radical libertarianism that centers on freedom of the press and expression” as revealed in a letter to the librarian of the Herzog August Bibliothek in Wolfenbüttel, Ernst Theodor Langer. “
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March 26, 2014 7:19pm
wikiriwhis business

““Corporate financial gain” is a slogan rather than a serious attempt to understand environmental issues.”

Someone is still living in the 20th Century and never heard of Greece, the broken EU, Libor, bankrupt US, Bernie Madoff …..
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March 26, 2014 7:20pm
Reid

Nope, disagree. Seeking to profit from one of the most evil men alive says something about Dotcom.

Lucia you can apply precisely the same logic to oil companies, armaments, banks, mining, food (that uses GM), etc etc etc if you’re so high-minded.

Since capitalism doesn’t give a f*** about how to make money only that you’re a winner if you make it and you’re a loser if you don’t, then he’s just playing the game, same as the property developers who legally put widows and orphans onto the street then go and have a nice meal at an expensive restaurant.

Simple as that.

Fact is, capitalism is not shades of grey, it’s a rubicon, and once you cross it, then it’s fine and if you don’t, you don’t. Otherwise for example, why not outlaw the sale of autographed books from all sorts of baddies from history, from Peter the Great, to Vlad the Impaler, to Hitler, to Stalin, to Churchill, to Eisenhower, to “Bomber” Harris, etc etc etc. That’s simply the logical extension of your argument, sorry to say. And if you don’t know what Churchill and Eisenhower did, then read history from sources other than Western sources.
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March 26, 2014 7:21pm
Fletch

People who don’t believe in God also help by way of schools, orphanages, hospitals, food banks, community outreach, charities, volunteering in homeless shelters, visiting prisoners, and the like.

That is true, but it wasn’t always. It was the Church that started the first charities, universities, hospitals (the Knights of St John), hostels and the like. You could say that the Catholic Church invented charity, as we know it, in the West.

http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=jYvmAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PP1&dq=how%20the%20catholic%20church%20built%20western%20civilization&pg=PA171#v=onepage&q=how%20the%20catholic%20church%20built%20western%20civilization&f=false
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March 26, 2014 7:24pm
ShawnLH

“Someone is still living in the 20th Century and never heard of Greece, the broken EU, Libor, bankrupt US, Bernie Madoff …..”

I was responding to Ryan who used the phrase in the context of environmental degradation. My point was that environmental issues are too complex to lay solely at the feet of corporations.

I was not saying corporations never do dumb or bad things, though Greece had more to do with direct democracy and the greed for bread and circuses of the Greek voter.
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March 26, 2014 7:26pm
Reid

A market for autographs does not exist by virtue of every signature being “no different from anyone else”.

Yeah it’s vapid celebrity culture no matter who it is Weihana, that’s why I personally don’t go for it. But billions of others do and that’s what I was saying.
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March 26, 2014 7:27pm
mikenmild

Fletch
You seem to imply that people weren’t nice to each other before Jesus.
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March 26, 2014 7:27pm
stephieboy

Shawn LH, you don’t wish to face reality of Rothbard’s thinking much of which is rooted in racist genetic thinking.the glorious Libertarian rationalization to keep the poor ,poor and races unequal.
Read ny links more carefully please that exposes his fraudulence.
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March 26, 2014 7:36pm
Fletch

mm, not that they weren’t nice. It’s just that people tended to think of themselves and the idea of giving to those worse off than you and expecting nothing in return seemed strange.

Just as important as the sheer volume of Catholic charity was the qualitative difference that separated the Church’s charity from what had preceded it. It would be foolish to deny that some noble sentiments were voiced by the great ancient philosophers when it came to philanthropy, or that men of wealth made impressive and substantial voluntary contributions to their communities. The wealthy were expected to finance baths, public buildings, and all manner of public entertainment. Pliny the Younger, for example, was far from alone in endowing his hometown with a school and a library.

Yet for all the benefactions thus offered, the spirit of giving in the ancient world was in a certain sense deficient when set against that of the Church. Most ancient giving was self-interested rather than purely gratuitous. The buildings financed by the wealthy prominently displayed their names. Donors gave what they did either to put the recipients in their debt or to call attention to themselves and their great liberality. That those in need were to be served with a cheerful heart and provided for without thought of reward or reciprocity was certainly not the governing principle.
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March 26, 2014 7:37pm
wikiriwhis business

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30029074/jimmy-carter-fears-us-monitoring

Former US President Jimmy Carter says intelligence monitoring has run out of control since the 9/11 terror attacks, and he now hand-writes and mails sensitive letters to foreign and American leaders because he can’t trust his email or telephone to be secure.

He had begun this practice well before National Security Agency contract worker Edward Snowden leaked a trove of documents last year. The documents disclosed that the NSA was archiving the meta-data on telephone calls and emails and had secretly tapped into the main communications links that connect Yahoo and Google data centres around the world.

“I don’t think there’s any doubt now that the NSA or other agencies monitor or record almost every telephone call made in the United States, including cellphones, and I presume email as well,” Carter told The Associated Press in an interview. “We’ve gone a long way down the road of violating Americans’ basic civil rights, as far as privacy is concerned.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30029074/jimmy-carter-fears-us-monitoring

This old man lives in the 21st century as opposed to so many Kiwi bloggers who still can’t see the conspiracy.

If your private communications are being compromised and recorded that is conspiracy……..igor
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March 26, 2014 7:38pm
UglyTruth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVFrdWIs2LI
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March 26, 2014 7:39pm
nasska

Fletch

Have you ever read any of Charles Dicken’s books?
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March 26, 2014 7:39pm
wikiriwhis business

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/60029681/brazils-internet-constitution-clears-house

Brazil’s lower chamber of Congress has approved groundbreaking legislation aimed at guaranteeing equal access to the Internet and protecting the privacy of its users in the wake of US spying revelations.

To ensure passage of the bill, the government had to drop a contentious provision that would have forced global internet companies to store data on Brazilian servers inside the country.

The rule was added last year to proposed internet governance legislation after revelations that the US National Security Agency had spied on the personal communications of Brazilians, including those of President Dilma Rousseff.

Instead, the bill says companies such as Google and Facebook are subject to Brazilian laws and courts in cases involving information on Brazilians, even if the data is stored on servers abroad.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/60029681/brazils-internet-constitution-clears-house

Whole nations comprehend what Kiwi Bloggers fail to grasp and the joke is they use anti spy technology but deny conspiracy. lmao
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March 26, 2014 7:41pm
wikiriwhis business

“Fletch

Have you ever read any of Charles Dicken’s books?”

Dickens wrote from a passion against the conspiracy of child labour
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March 26, 2014 7:41pm
Reid

Reid, Hitler : A Study in Tyranny by Alan Bullock

stephie, I see Shane’s seen through your vapid analyses on Libertarianism, you really need to educate yourself. Lord Denning the great English jurist did this when a humble defense counsel by first preparing the case for the prosecution then preparing his own.

Truth doesn’t always lie on one side and most people never even bother to learn other sides once they’ve obtained to their own satisfaction “truth” in a given issue. Particularly when the braying crowd agrees.

You seem earnest although young and I therefore offer you Denning’s advice, and I tell you that if you apply it, as I have for coming up to thirty years, worlds will open to you that you never dreamed existed.

Hitler’s a hard, very hard topic. But this is another side to him that the brayers will never know, because they think, confidently but falsely, that they already do.

http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/
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March 26, 2014 7:42pm
wikiriwhis business

“Hitler’s a hard, very hard topic.”

Hitler was a product of US eugenisists such as Margaret Sanger and Henry Ford who helped propel the Nazi Party to power.

Hitler kept a photo of Ford on his office desk
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March 26, 2014 7:46pm
ShawnLH

Stephie,

“Shawn LH, you don’t wish to face reality of Rothbard’s thinking much of which is rooted in racist genetic thinking.the glorious Libertarian rationalization to keep the poor ,poor and races unequal.”

Arguing for voluntary association is about everyone’s freedom. Liberal collectivism is about white, upper middle class, liberal Westerners wanting to dictate to everyone else, including the poor and other races, how to live and what to think.
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March 26, 2014 7:47pm
mikenmild

Not really interested in watching Reid’s latest film – probably holocaust denial and Hitler-worship.
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March 26, 2014 7:58pm
nasska

An old Minister was dying. He sent a message for his Accountant and his Lawyer (both church members), to come to his home.

When they arrived, they were ushered up to his bedroom. As they entered the room, the Minister held out his hands and motioned for them to sit on each side of the bed. Then he grasped their hands, sighed contentedly, smiled and stared at the ceiling.

For a time, no one said anything. Both the Accountant and Lawyer were touched and flattered that the old Minister would ask them to be with him during his final moment.

They were also puzzled because he had never given any indication that he particularly liked either one of them.

Finally, the Lawyer asked “Why did you ask the two of us to come?” The old Minister mustered up some strength, then said weakly “Jesus died between two thieves and that’s how I want to go, too.
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March 26, 2014 8:00pm
griffith

MM
Would you be offended to see Mao, Hitler, Alinsky, Marx, Frued, Mason, Hite. On A thinkers book shelf ?
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March 26, 2014 8:04pm
mikenmild

No, not at all.
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March 26, 2014 8:09pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

Lucia you can apply precisely the same logic to oil companies, armaments, banks, mining, food (that uses GM), etc etc etc if you’re so high-minded.

Hitler wanted to wipe my race off the face of the earth, so … no, disagree that I could apply precisely the same logic to the list you give.
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March 26, 2014 8:23pm
griffith

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/25/10853_out_of_10855_scientists_agree_man_made_global_warming_is_happening/
As geochemist James Lawrence Powell continues to prove, the only people still debating whether or not climate change is “real,” and caused by human activity, are the ones who aren’t doing the actual research. In an update to his ongoing project of reviewing the literature on global warming, Powell went through every scientific study published in a peer-review journal during the calendar year 2013, finding 10,855 in total (more on his methodology here). Of those, a mere two rejected anthropogenic global warming

“But many of the extreme events of 2013 were consistent with what we would expect as a result of human-induced climate change. We saw heavier precipitation, more intense heat, and more damage from storm surges and coastal flooding as a result of sea-level rise – as Typhoon Haiyan so tragically demonstrated in the Philippines,” he said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/evidence-for-humaninduced-climate-change-grows-as-2013-is-revealed-as-the-sixthhottest-on-record-9212971.html
The WMO’s annual assessment of the global weather found that 2013 was the sixth warmest year on record – tied with 2007 – and that there was no let-up in global warming. 13 of the 14 warmest years have occurred since 2000 and each of the last three decades have been warmer than the previous one, with the decade 2001-2010 being the warmest on record, the WMO said.

“There is no standstill in global warming. The warming of our oceans has accelerated, and at lower depths. More than 90 per cent of the excess energy trapped by greenhouse gases is stored in the oceans,” Dr Jarraud said.

“Levels of these greenhouse gases are at record levels, meaning that our atmosphere and oceans will continue to warm for centuries to come. The laws of physics are non-negotiable,” he warned.
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March 26, 2014 8:39pm
Judith

@ Lucia Maria (1,958 comments) says:
March 26th, 2014 at 7:05 pm

I agree with Reid on this one. Owning an item of historical interest is NOT supporting that behaviour.

Considering the profit made from such objects, it is actually very wise business practice.

I have a bible from the 18th century – you can rest assured I do not advocate some of the practices suggested in the old testament.

P.S. and yes, my mothers family has jewish ancestry too – and it makes no difference. Her uncle made a great deal of money selling War memorabilia.
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March 26, 2014 8:40pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers

All sorted for the nation-wide rallies against the signing of the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) this Saturday 29 March 2014 at 1pm?

(I’ll be in Hamilton, but have been helping to organise the Auckland event 🙂

More details here:

http://www.itsourfuture.org.nz/why-our-sponsors-are-supporting-the-nationwide-day-of-action/

Cheers!

Penny Bright
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March 26, 2014 8:51pm
griffith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0
1.26
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March 26, 2014 8:52pm
nasska

Bedtime story for the brainwashed. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5dhsnprw4cdd192/Faith%2014.jpg
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March 26, 2014 8:59pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers ……….

______________________________________________________________________________________

26 March 2014

‘Open Letter’ reply to Auckland Mayor Len Brown, Chair of the Auckland Council Governing Body – re: the following response I received yesterday to my request for speaking rights at tomorrow’s meeting:

Thank you for for accepting my request for ‘speaking rights’ at tomorrow’s Governing Body meeting.

However, I note that some person / persons from Auckland Council are attempting to restrict what I can say, about the four complaints which I filed with Auckland Central Police:

“Your request for speaking rights at the 27 March Governing Body meeting has been accepted but only to talk about issues 2) and 3).

It has been decided that it is not appropriate for you to talk about any complaints being handled by the Police at the Governing Body meeting.”

I do not accept that ANY person at Auckland Council has the lawful right to attempt to censor or restrict my LAWFUL right to freedom of expression, as guaranteed under s.14 of the NZ Bill of Rights Act 1990:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1990/0109/latest/DLM225513.html

14 Freedom of expression

Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, including the freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and opinions of any kind in any form.
___________________________________________________________________________

FYI – Police have made determinations in the first three out of four of the above-mentioned complaints, and I am still awaiting their decision on the fourth.

None of these matters are before the Court.

I am unsure as to whom has made the decision that “…it is not appropriate for you to talk about any complaints being handled by the Police at the Governing Body meeting ..”

however, I do not accept this decision as being LAWFUL, so please be advised that I WILL briefly covering these matters:

1) An update on four complaints that I filed with Police:

a) Alleged money-laundering against Mayor Len Brown.

b) Alleged bribery and corruption against Mayor Len Brown (a joint complaint with fellow community Public Watchdog Lisa Prager).

c) Alleged contravention of statute by former Auckland Council CEO, Doug McKay.

d) Alleged assault against Auckland Council Officers who forcibly removed me from the CEO Review Committee meeting after I was denied speaking rights by Chair Chris Fletcher, when I was attempting to expose, (in my considered opinion), a corrupt ‘conflict of interest’ involving current CEO Stephen Town.

___________________________________________________________________________

FYI – please be reminded of the following declaration that ALL Auckland Council elected representatives swore (affirmed) at the public ‘swearing in ceremony’ on 29 October 2013:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM175643.html

Conduct of members
14Declaration by member
(1)A person may not act as a member of a local authority until—
(a)that person has, at a meeting of the local authority following the election of that person, made an oral declaration in the form set out in subclause (3); and
(b)a written version of the declaration has been attested as provided under subclause (2).
………………..
(3)The form of the declaration must consist of the following elements:

Declaration by mayor or chairperson or member

“I, AB, declare that I will faithfully and impartially, and according to the best of my skill
and judgment, execute and perform, in the best interests of [region or district], the powers,
authorities, and duties vested in, or imposed upon, me as [mayor or chairperson or
member] of the [local authority] by virtue of the Local Government Act 2002, the
Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987, or any other Act

Dated at: [place, date]
Signature:
Signed in the presence of:
CD, [mayor or chairperson or member or chief executive of local authority]”.

_____________________________________________________________________________

(My underlining).

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz
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March 26, 2014 8:59pm
nasska

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz

You left off http://www.livinginatent.org.nz 🙂
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March 26, 2014 9:21pm
Ben Dover

the TPPA will be used so that Chinese Communists take over and run the milk industry

by cooking up fake claims

They will run and own Fonterra soon enough
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Health Target 2 – Immunisations

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Justice in Brazil
No Right Turn
The Presidential Bicameral Adjournment Clause Is Almost An American Equivalent to Prorogation
Utopia
"Seymour is only doing openly what M?ori nationalists and their Pakeha allies have been doing, quietly for the past 50 years."
Not PC
This Weeks Email To Prime Minister Luxon.
No Minister
Daily review 22/11/2024
The Standard
More young offenders will get boot camp, bus drivers will get some protection – and there’s relief for southern farmers
Point of Order
Sowell says
Hompaddock
New Zealand government urged to back ICC arrest warrants for Israeli leaders without equivocation
The Daily Blog
The transgender agenda sunk Kamala
Bob McCoskrie's McBlog
SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT
No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
What does “reciprocity” mean in New Zealand laws?
Croaking Cassandra
A Day of Reckoning
NZCPR
Media Link: “A View from Afar” on the US elections.
Kiwipolitico
This will not end well
Offsetting Behaviour
Top 14 Predictions for Round 10
Stats Chat
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
The Civilian
The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker
Angie Warren-Clark: Meet the Newbies
Dan Moskovitz