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Reid

The maneuvers were not complex or difficult .

They were extremely complex and difficult. In all three cases. Which shows how much you’ve done your research, doesn’t it, stephie.Below are two vids just for examples. But I can’t be arsed discussing 911 with someone who hasn’t even done any research, so I won’t be replying to any future 911 hallucinations from you on this thread today, it’s just boring since you can google, but you’re just not interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5zvCdD9D1A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrpNK4lJVc
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March 17, 2014 1:46pm
b1gdaddynz

@ Weihana Well said at 1.24PM
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March 17, 2014 1:49pm
ShawnLH

“Now why are 20,000 troops are needed to hold a referendum.?”

To ensure the “referendum” made the decision Putin wanted.
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March 17, 2014 1:55pm
griffith

If harm results because society embraced the wrong political ideology
then that is not a failure of free speech, that is a failure of people.

It is not the harm done by the choice of the wrong political system it is the fact that outright lies are being deliberately manufactured to discredit the reality of our position. The Iitalian case gives a glimpse into the future were some of these twats will be held accountable for their deliberate actions to derail any constructive course of action. I am not suggesting dupes like A Watts be prosecuted but the leaders and developers of this campaign of misinformation should be held criminally liable for the consequences of their actions.

I do know that the arguments contained in that post is going to upset the wing nuts. Honestly wehanai do you think that is going to make any deference to the sheep and their irrational rubbish.
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March 17, 2014 1:57pm
cha

See, no guns.
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The ballot paper for the contest, which was published by parliament, disclosed that Crimean voters will be given two options: either immediate “reunification” with Russia, or adopting the “1992 constitution” — which gives parliament the power to vote to join Russia.

The status quo, whereby Crimea has autonomy within Ukraine, does not appear on the ballot paper. In practise, experts said that this amounted to giving voters the choice between joining Russia immediately or joining Russia after a short delay.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10691386/Join-Russia-now-or-later-asks-Crimea-ballot-paper.html
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March 17, 2014 1:57pm
Andrei

Andrei , what fatuous nonsense.

All I did was translate Cha’s tweet for him so it made sense and explained that it was sarcasm, not intended to be taken seriously.

There are already millions of Tartars in the Russian Federation living quite happily.

Today’s trivia – Charles Bronson was a Tartar
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March 17, 2014 1:57pm
Lance

So reid
You expect us to sit though a mind numbing blather for 55mins to see wither or not what to say is pure shit or not?

I think such an experience would cause brain damage… come to think of it, maybe that is what does happen?
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March 17, 2014 1:59pm
ShawnLH

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is Not a Scientific Organization But a Political Lobbying Group.

John McLean, author of three peer-reviewed papers on climate and an expert reviewer for the latest IPCC report elaborates on how a Lack of accountability is clouding the climate change debate.

He explains how the “world’s so-called authority on climate change engages in exaggerated science and has become a political tool.”

“The [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s] charter from the outset has been ”to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation”.

The IPCC’s focus is therefore very specific – any human influence on climate. It has no mandate to examine other causes of climate change. IPCC assessment reports claim that the human influence is significant but look closely and we find the claims are based on the output of climate models that the IPCC admits are seriously flawed, that the IPCC often asserts a level of certainty that the data cannot sustain and that as ”Climategate” showed us, a clique of scientists has in the past sought to control the material cited by these reports.

What starts out being a scientific report becomes a political instrument because after a hard-core group of IPCC supporters draft the Summary for Policymakers, government representatives discuss, negotiate and eventually agree on the wording of each sentence. The scientific component of the report is then modified to better align it with the thinking of government representatives.

If the IPCC reports were accepted for exactly what they are – exaggerated science with a large dollop of politics – this would be the end of the matter. Unfortunately, various bodies actively encourage us to believe the reports are entirely scientific, accurate and completely authoritative on all climate matters, this despite the IPCC’s charter and the political interference.”

http://objectivescience.net/intergovernmental-panel-on-climate-change-ipcc-is-not-a-scientific-organization-but-a-political-lobbying-group/
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March 17, 2014 1:59pm
ShawnLH

The UN’s IPCC group is not a scientific body. It is a political lobby group.

The Buying And Selling of Science At The UN IPCC

” not everything that the UN IPCC publishes is quite as laughable as their infamous prediction that the Himalayan glaciers would all melt by 2035. The planet is 0.85°C warmer than 110 years ago. Greenhouse gases are a larger proportion of the atmosphere than they have been for the past 800,000 years. Simple experiments such as firing a laser set to a given wave-number through a chamber of CO2 gas will show the light from the laser being completely attenuated. This implies the energy carried by the photons of light has to go somewhere. Traditional thermodynamics would suggest at least some of that energy would dissipate as heat and warm the CO2 molecules hit by the laser.

However, the terrestrial atmosphere is much more complex than a jar of gas. In the past 15 years, the level of warming has slowed precipitously, while the man-made GHG emissions that the UN IPCC describes as the unequivocal cause of modern climate change are not being reduced in any meaningful way. If the UN IPCC truly understands the terrestrial climate, the Earth should be getting hotter faster. Recent data shows this is not arguably the case.

The track record of previous UN IPCC reports has been less than stellar. The 2007 report, (which printed the Himalayan Glacier claim straight out of an environmental advocacy group’s pamphlet as if it were refereed science) was so totally discredited that it came under fire from other scientific bodies. It’s problems went far beyond merely being empirically wrong.”

http://www.redstate.com/2013/09/30/the-buying-and-selling-of-science-at-the-un-ipcc/
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March 17, 2014 2:13pm
griffith

Wingnut blog site again muppet are you and reid related?

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you don’t get it do you muppet
Blog posts from the denailasphere are just that blog posts from wingnut sources.
Just as stupid as the sources used by reid

The same old tied old hacks trotted out to support the same old rubbish

links to spencer and crusty 😆

Are you a creationist muppet?

you seem to like linking to stuff from Dr Roy Spencer and his “the christian god made it so humanity can not change it” crap based on faith
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March 17, 2014 2:17pm
ShawnLH

“John McLean, author of three peer-reviewed papers on climate and an expert reviewer for the latest IPCC report elaborates on how a Lack of accountability is clouding the climate change debate.

He explains how the “world’s so-called authority on climate change engages in exaggerated science and has become a political tool.”

Care to explain this Griff? Your big on bluster and crying foul over sources, but you seem unable to to offer any rational critique of the actual information being posted.

You sound like a fundamentalist.
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March 17, 2014 2:18pm
stephieboy

Reid, you don’t need 55 mins of bunk from Pilots of 9/11 Truth to understand why it was possible for the hijackers to fly 11, 175,77 and 93 they way they did,

“….And Salon’s “Ask the Pilot” also commented on the issue:
As I’ve explained in at least one prior column, Hani Hanjour’s flying was hardly the show-quality demonstration often described. It was exceptional only in its recklessness. If anything, his loops and turns and spirals above the nation’s capital revealed him to be exactly the shitty pilot he by all accounts was. To hit the Pentagon squarely he needed only a bit of luck, and he got it, possibly with help from the 757’s autopilot. Striking a stationary object — even a large one like the Pentagon — at high speed and from a steep angle is very difficult. To make the job easier, he came in obliquely, tearing down light poles as he roared across the Pentagon’s lawn.
It’s true there’s only a vestigial similarity between the cockpit of a light trainer and the flight deck of a Boeing. To put it mildly, the attackers, as private pilots, were completely out of their league. However, they were not setting out to perform single-engine missed approaches or Category 3 instrument landings with a failed hydraulic system. For good measure, at least two of the terrorist pilots had rented simulator time in jet aircraft, but striking the Pentagon, or navigating along the Hudson River to Manhattan on a cloudless morning, with the sole intention of steering head-on into a building, did not require a mastery of airmanship. The perpetrators had purchased manuals and videos describing the flight management systems of the 757/767, and as any desktop simulator enthusiast will tell you, elementary operation of the planes’ navigational units and autopilots is chiefly an exercise in data programming. You can learn it at home. You won’t be good, but you’ll be good enough.
“They’d done their homework and they had what they needed,” says a United Airlines pilot (name withheld on request), who has flown every model of Boeing from the 737 up. “Rudimentary knowledge and fearlessness.”
“As everyone saw, their flying was sloppy and aggressive,” says Michael (last name withheld), a pilot with several thousand hours in 757s and 767s. “Their skills and experience, or lack thereof, just weren’t relevant.”
“The hijackers required only the shallow understanding of the aircraft,” agrees Ken Hertz, an airline pilot rated on the 757/767. “In much the same way that a person needn’t be an experienced physician in order to perform CPR or set a broken bone.”
That sentiment is echoed by Joe d’Eon, airline pilot and host of the “Fly With Me” podcast series. “It’s the difference between a doctor and a butcher,” says d’Eon.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060916205041/http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/05/19/askthepilot186/index_np.html/

Experienced pilot Giulio Bernacchia agrees:
In my opinion the official version of the fact is absolutely plausible, does not require exceptional circumstances, bending of any law of physics or superhuman capabilities. Like other (real pilots) have said, the manoeuvres required of the hijackers were within their (very limited) capabilities, they were performed without any degree of finesse and resulted in damage to the targets only after desperate overmanoeuvring of the planes. The hijackers took advantage of anything that might make their job easier, and decided not to rely on their low piloting skills. It is misleading to make people believe that the hijackers HAD to possess superior pilot skills to do what they did.”

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Flight_School_Dropouts

BTW Pilots for 9/11 Truth consist of a small group of about 250 ex airline pilots . Their findings are not supported by the vast majority professional airline pilot and aeronautic associations both within and outside the USA
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March 17, 2014 2:18pm
ShawnLH

I’m curious as to how Griff “thinks” (I use that term loosely) an expert peer reviewer for the IPCC is somehow an illegitimate source?
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March 17, 2014 2:23pm
Scott Chris

In this one I don’t think there is any particularly strong grounds for believing in pilot suicide

Ed, it’s not the suicide aspect I take issue with. It’s the homicide aspect.

The psychological profile of these pilots just doesn’t match those of, say, your run of the mill gun-spree murder/suicide perps for instance. And how many bus driver murder/suicides have there been? None that I can find and yet a lot more buses are driven than planes.

That’s why I’m highly suspicious of the pilot suicide/homicide theory. Just doesn’t make any sense to me.
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March 17, 2014 2:27pm
Reid

You expect us to sit though a mind numbing blather for 55mins to see wither or not what to say is pure shit or not?

No Lance I don’t give a fuck about what you do, if you’re so stupid you can’t be arsed finding out what really did happen then I put you and others like you into the same category of morons who stood by in the 1930’s while Hitler rose to power and said nothing about it until it was all too late.

Actually you and others like you aren’t even as smart as they were, since in those days they didn’t have the information superhighway like we have.

Besides, that’s why I gave you two movies, one long and one short, but then again if you didn’t notice what really happened on 911 then I’m not surprised you missed that, as well.
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March 17, 2014 2:27pm
ShawnLH

“No Lance I don’t give a fuck about what you do, if you’re so stupid you can’t be arsed finding out what really did happen ”

We already know what happened. We don’t need to sit through your stupid and moronic lizard people/cabalistic/iluminati anti-Jewish ranting that you wrongly believe has something to do with thinking.

Your a retarded fool. Get a brain.
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March 17, 2014 2:32pm
griffith

Muppet
Do you think a blog has more authority than the worlds scientific organisations? Do you have any proof besides wingnut blog sites? all the IPCC does is collates the research. It is inclined to be extremely conservative in its findings. The reality is the present scientific view on AGW is far more pessimistic than the contents of the IPCC reports. The IPCC has no projections for permafrost methane release in its conclusions. The accelerating release of permafrost methane is a major positive feedback that is already happening. http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch7s7-4-1.html http://www.wunderground.com/resources/climate/melting_permafrost.asp

A blog post proves you read blogs. Keep it up Muppet Ignore all authority and go to blogs for scientific information. conspirwhacky thinking. What a nutter!!!!
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March 17, 2014 2:37pm
Ryan Sproull

Shawn, you’re up: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/03/its_20_september.html#comment-1289820
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March 17, 2014 2:37pm
ShawnLH

So reid, when exactly are the Jewish-Zionist-Illuminati leaders going to make their move and depopulate the world in preparation for the alien invasion of the lizard people?

Tomorrow? Next week? Next year?

I need to know so I can have my supply of tin foil hats ready to keep their mind control lasers out.
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March 17, 2014 2:37pm
ShawnLH

Griff and Reid are both examples of how the claim to “independent thinking” can so easily be a cover for being a total dumbass. 🙂
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March 17, 2014 2:40pm
Lucia Maria

Conspiracy theories such as the 9/11 theory (whatever variant it is) serve the purpose of keeping intelligent people occupied so they miss the more obvious things that happen in the world, thus effectively taking out a section of the community that pore over the smallest details of events. Better to keep such people distracted. That’s if you want a conspiracy theory reason as why so many conspiracy theories seem to never die.

Sorry Reid, but you’ve been seriously fooled.
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March 17, 2014 2:40pm
All_on_Red

Wat completely skewered Griff yesterday which is why he is in such a frantic panic today.
wat dabney (3,369 comments) says:
March 16th, 2014 at 5:35 pm
Griff,

“Wat the whole pause thing is just wingnuts ignoring naturally variably”

Alarmists spent decades lying through their teeth telling us there was virtually no natural variability, and white-washing it from the climate history in order to blame the then recent warming all on CO2. Yet when the warming promised by the AGW theory failed to arrive they reach for natural climate variability as their excuse.

If natural variability explains the lack of recent warming then it can equally explain the earlier warming; and indeed, it does.

If you finally accept the reality that there is, after all, significant natural climate variability then you largely concede the sceptics argument.

“Fuck me wat you still going on about no warming bullshit.
Do you now understand what rss tells us? it says the upper atmosphere is cooling..”

And as I keep explaining to you, such a cooling upper atmopshere contradicts the AGW theory.

You do insist on arguing against yourself (unwittingly, obviously; and so vociferously.)”
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March 17, 2014 2:43pm
ShawnLH

“Do you think a blog has more authority than the worlds scientific organisations?”

No, I think the scientists being quoted on those blogs, one of whom is with the IPCC, have credibility. I don’t think those IPCC “scientists” who have been repeatedly caught exaggerating and lying have any credibility.

Just saying “that comes from a blog” is not an argument. But then, I don’t expect tin foil hat morons like you and reid to care about real arguments one way or another.
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March 17, 2014 2:45pm
mikenmild

Shawn
I think you’ll find that Reid and climate change ‘sceptics’ are on the same side of the conspiracy theory fence…
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March 17, 2014 2:45pm
ShawnLH

“I think you’ll find that Reid and climate change ‘sceptics’ are on the same side of the conspiracy theory fence…”

Well, unless I’m claiming that global warming is a conspiracy by the Jewish-Zionist-Illuminati to prepare for an alien invasion, then no, they are not remotely the same. Apples and Oranges.

And I’m not a climate change skeptic.
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March 17, 2014 2:49pm
griffith

Muppet FFS do some reserch before you post your whack crap it might be making me laugh at your nuttwhack sources but it becomes boring when its the same old same old logic fail time and again

http://www.desmogblog.com/whats-an-ipcc-expert-reviewer

A lot of climate change deniers like to tout the fact that they were an “Expert Reviewer” for the last Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and a few DeSmog readers have been asking what
exactly if takes to become an “Expert Reviewer.” Well, thanks to our
friend Tim Lambert at Deltoid Blog it turns out that an “Expert Reviewer” really isn’t as exciting and not nearly as prestigous as it sounds. Tim writes:”Expert reviewer for the IPCC” doesn’t mean that they asked him to review material — all it means is that he asked to see the draft report. The only real requirement to be a reviewer is to sign an agreement not to publicly comment on the draft.”I have confirmed this with one of the authors of the updated IPPC report.

It means nothing it’s again an attempt to give a dodgy source legitimacy. Some what of a pattern emerging here isn’t there Muppet. Dodgy website with no authority 😆 just like reid in your thinking.
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March 17, 2014 2:51pm
Ed Snack

Mikenmild, no sorry, its the climate alarmists who are on the same side as Reid. Didn’t you follow all those former predictions of global catastrophe and how they turned out ? The similarities with the 911 truthers is uncanny; and pointing out just how wrong they were has not stopped those same people jumping onto new scams and being believed all over again.
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March 17, 2014 2:53pm
ShawnLH

Griff,

Once again your avoiding the evidence and sticking your head in the sand. “I don’t care who John Mclean is! He’s saying things I don’t like! He may be a scientist, he may work or have worked for the IPCC, I JUST DON’T CARE UNLESS HE AFFIRMS MY BELIEFS!!!”

You call that rational thought and debate?

Hmmm…..
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March 17, 2014 2:56pm
mikenmild

Shawn
The fact that some scientists were wrong about some things in the past does not provide a basis for you to believe in a worldwide conspiracy by the overwhelming majority of today’s climate scientists.
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March 17, 2014 3:01pm
ShawnLH

“thinking” in Griff’s world….

“WHAAAAA…MUMMY, THE BAD PEOPLE ARE MAKING ME READ THINGS I DON’T AGREE WITH….PLEASE MUMMY, MAKE ALL THE BAD PEOPLE SHUT UP SO I CAN JUST BELIEVE WHATEVER I WANT….WHY CAN’T WE JUST SHOOT THE PEOPLE WHO DON’T AGREE WITH ME MUMMY…WHAAAAA”
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March 17, 2014 3:03pm
ShawnLH

“The fact that some scientists were wrong about some things in the past does not provide a basis for you to believe in a worldwide conspiracy by the overwhelming majority of today’s climate scientists.”

I think you need to go back and read what I have actually said and posted. As to “overwhelming majority” please, enough bullshit for one day. Read the posts on the conflict within the IPCC.
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March 17, 2014 3:04pm
Lance

Oh I see
Reid is smarter than anyone that disagree’s with him.

What I do know is experts in their appropriate fields say that these amateur conspiracy theories are impossible. And those that do speak out receive death treats from the loonies.

Nuff said.
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March 17, 2014 3:07pm
stephieboy

Andrei,

The Crimean Tatars were mainly deported to Uzbekistan (formally the Uzbek SSR ) now not a part of the Russian Federation,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbekistan

Historically they have a greater claim to their Crimean homeland than the Russians ever will have.

They should have a say in a referendum that should not happen until Russian troops withdraw.
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March 17, 2014 3:07pm
griffith

Muppet its you who refuses to take the word of every major scientific body the un the usa epa nasa the world bank etc etc etc

Having a scientific debate with some one who thinks the daily mail trumps Nasa when it comes to science is really really funny.

The IPCC has far more authority than a web site. Your sources are wingnut. You are irrational in you insistence on a giant conspiracy when the only conspiracy is deliberate miss direction documented as being from your side.

Its also fun watching you make a bigger and bigger dick out of yourself

How many more dodgy links from un verifiable sources will you post?

almost as funny as red and wat yesterday insisting that the green house affect means the high atmosphere should warm. totally nuts.
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March 17, 2014 3:10pm
Manolo

@Shawn: Do not bother to engage with griff. He is a fundamentalist, a fanatic believer in AGW, so whatever you say to the contrary will be anathema to him.

If griff were a Muslim, he would be a jihadist of the worst kind.
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March 17, 2014 3:11pm
mikenmild

No Shawn, what you refer to as conflct within the IPCC amounts to an uncritical acceptance of statements by John McLean, whose (lack of) credentials may be easily googled.
Example: http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/01/13/the-big-oil-backed-climate-denier-who-hoodwinked-fairfax/
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March 17, 2014 3:16pm
wikiriwhis business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGD2t2iegSY

Edward Snowdens first interview

‘Constitution being violated on massive scale’
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March 17, 2014 3:18pm
Ross12

I know Griff will call this blog BS. but if you look at it all Goddard has done is take previously published data from the GISS and relate it to the data they now show on their website for the SAME time periods to illustrate how they have changed to suit the narrative. Changing data from decades ago cannot be justified in anyway.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/data-tampering-at-ushcngiss/
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March 17, 2014 3:20pm
griffith

A fanatical believer in the scientific method

Someone who checks sources and realises that the web is full of deception

Unlike the sheepie who dispute science with wingnut blogs and other form of alt reality and propagate massive global conspiracy by evil scientist trying to take over the world .

A fanatic would be someone who despite being shot down repeatedly keeps linking to dodgy websites to disprove all major scientific bodies the UN the pentagon etc etc etc .

A muppet who attacks others for thinking the same alty way he does.

A conspirowhack
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March 17, 2014 3:25pm
Grant

Be careful Lance and Shawn.
If you antagonize Reid too much, he’ll get all angry and start swapping his “r”s with “w”s, and we don’t want that now do we?
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March 17, 2014 3:32pm
griffith

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/goddard_arctic_ice_mystery/

Editor’s note:

Walt Meier, research scientist at the NSIDC, has contacted us disputing the validity of Steven Goddard’s methodology, and of his use of University of Illinois data to question the NSIDC’s charts. We accept that these two data sets are not directly comparable, and that the University of Illinois data does not provide support for Goddard’s charge that the NSIDC data is incorrect. We reproduce Walt Meier’s response below. Walt Meier as provided further detail on the calculation of sea ice area and extent in the comments to this article:

The author asserts that NSIDC’s estimate of a 10% increase in sea ice compared to the same time as last year is wrong. Mr. Goddard does his own analysis, based on images from the University of Illinois’ Cryosphere Today web site, and comes up with a number of ~30%, three times larger than NSIDC’s estimate. He appears to derive his estimate by simply counting pixels in an image. He recognizes that this results in an error due to the distortion by the map projection, but does so anyway. Such an approach is simply not valid.

The proper way to calculate a comparison of ice coverage is by actually weighting the pixels by their based on the map projection, which is exactly what NSIDC does. UI also does the same thing, in a plot right on the same page as where Mr Goddard obtained the images he uses for his own analysis:

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg

The absolute numbers differ between the UI and NSIDC plots because UI is calculating ice area, while NSIDC is calculating ice extent, two different but related indicators of the state of the ice cover. However, both yield a consistent change between Aug. 12, 2007 and Aug. 11, 2008 – about a 10% increase.

Besides this significant error, the rest of the article consists almost entirely of misleading, irrelevant, or erroneous information about Arctic sea ice that add nothing to the understanding of the significant long-term decline that is being observed.

Gee a blog by an Anonymous anti agw campaigner with a long history of being totally wrong trying to cast disputation on peer-reviewed science

After years of disputing the temperature records a new independent study by a skeptic found that their analyzed series matched everyone else

Best temperature analysis the one that A Watts said he would accept untill it came out against his view the temperature record is inaccurate. http://www.berkeleyearth.org/
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March 17, 2014 3:44pm
griffith

😆

rrofl

Here is one of his papers

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=7349
COOL YEAR PREDICTED

It is likely that 2011 will be the coolest year since 1956, or even earlier, says the lead author of a peer-reviewed paper published in 2009:

Our ENSO – temperature paper of 2009 and the aftermath by John McLean

The paper, by John McLean, Professor Chris de Freitas and Professor Bob Carter, showed that the Southern Oscillation Index (SOI), a measure of El Nino-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) conditions, is a very good indicator of average global atmospheric temperatures approximately seven months ahead, except when volcanic eruptions cause short-term cooling.

The lead author, McLean, points to a fall in temperatures that began in October last year, seven months after the abrupt shift to La Nina conditions, and according to last month’s data is still continuing.

“The delayed response is important for two reasons.” McLean says, “Firstly the high annual average temperature in 2010 was due to the El Nino that ended around March but whose delayed effect on temperature continued until late in the year. Secondly it means that the ENSO conditions can be used to predict with reasonable confidence the average global temperatures up to seven months ahead.”

Professor Chris de Freitas :LOL:

NZ’s VERY OWN NUTWHACK

And another case of CV padding he’s not a professor he is an associate professor and sooo totally wrong in this paper. .
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March 17, 2014 4:03pm
Manolo

griff and Ure at living examples of brain addlement/enfeeblement after excessive pot consumption. 😀
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March 17, 2014 4:11pm
nasska

Settle down Manolo…..at least in Griff’s case the damage has been confined to the part of the brain that deals with weather. 🙂
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March 17, 2014 4:16pm
Andrei

ShawnLH – Lots of populations were deported by Stalin during the second world war, it was a wrong thing perhaps

And Roosevelt interned Japanese Americans during the second world war and that was a wrong thing perhaps

It was a long time ago and has little to nothing to do what is happening today except that it gives ignorant reporters and blog commenters, who had never even heard of Tartars, let alone Crimean Tartars two weeks ago something to witter about.

Bottom line the Obama administration has made yet another foreign policy fuck up, bought civil war to the Ukraine and handed Crimea to Russia because as foreign policy fuck ups go this one has been a doozy
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March 17, 2014 4:17pm
nasska

Twenty three people have been found glued to the ceiling and walls of a train station in Dublin.

Police believe Irish Muslims have set off the first ‘No More Nails’ bomb.
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March 17, 2014 4:18pm
griffith

Is that so manolol
And in comparison we have your one line busts of racist discourse. Your obvious impairment being the indicators of fetal alcohol syndrome and alcohol addiction.
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March 17, 2014 4:18pm
griffith

Democracy is utterly dependent upon an electorate that is accurately informed. In promoting climate change denial (and often denying their responsibility for doing so) industry has done more than endanger the environment. It has undermined democracy.

There is a vast difference between putting forth a point of view, honestly held, and intentionally sowing the seeds of confusion. Free speech does not include the right to deceive. Deception is not a point of view. And the right to disagree does not include a right to intentionally subvert the public awareness.
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March 17, 2014 4:30pm
wikiriwhis business

Jane Kelsey is a professor of law at the University of Auckland. Her latest book is: Hidden Agendas: What we need to know about the TPPA.

Reveal the trade pact details

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/9784141/Reveal-the-trade-pact-details

True conspiracy in the open
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March 17, 2014 4:32pm
mikenmild

I think I’d go along more with Weihana’s points above about freedom of speech than that, griffith.
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March 17, 2014 4:33pm
edhunter

When the cats away…
Come back DPF the lunatics are running the asylum & with only one thread to comment on the inmates are going crazy!!
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March 17, 2014 4:49pm
Kimbo

Jane Kelsey is a professor of law at the University of Auckland…

That is ‘Hanoi Jane’ Kelsey you are referring to, isn’t it?
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March 17, 2014 4:53pm
UglyTruth

I think you’ll find that Reid and climate change ‘sceptics’ are on the same side of the conspiracy theory fence…

STFU mikenmild, the fence only exists in you own deranged mind.
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March 17, 2014 4:55pm
mikenmild

So nice to hear from you Ugly. I trust you are nicely medicated today.
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March 17, 2014 4:58pm
griffith

so mike you have no problem with the campaign of slander and libel directed at the world’s top scientists and science organisations .

Without doubt in the next few decades as reality becomes more obvious there will be a call for those who took money to lie to be prosecuted for their blatant disregard of humanity’s future.

It is something that is beginning to be talked about and I am betting that there will be a backlash when things really start to decay.

Class actions by farmers effected by drought or some such will be the start.

It will be interesting to see how Steyn vrs mann plays out The judge has said there is a case to anser to
http://www.livescience.com/43332-why-libel-matters-to-climate-science.html

This court case was posted on here with the wingnuts claiming that steyn had bankrupted Mann typical uncritical repeating of wingnut blog rubbish
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March 17, 2014 5:00pm
Komata

Kimbo

Yes, it certainly is (although that is a label I have not heard for many a year), the very same, except now she’s in academia (greater influence on easily-corrupted minds and all that) That specific Leopard has not changed its spots, and, if anything the said spots are larger and more entrenched. The media, and those of a younger generation, of course, haven’t a clue.

‘Nuff said?
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March 17, 2014 5:02pm
mikenmild

Cases of libel generally have appropriate remedies. Suppression of free speech is another thing entirely. Unless speech raises an imminent danger to public safety (the classic shouting “fire” in a crowded theatre) then I would be reluctant to see it criminalised. This goes for such things as holocaust denial too.
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March 17, 2014 5:03pm
UglyTruth

So nice to hear from you Ugly. I trust you are nicely medicated today.

Your trust is misplaced. Are you still expecting to find the wreckage of flight 370 as if it had crashed after the transponder was turned off?
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March 17, 2014 5:21pm
griffith

Unless speech raises an imminent danger to public safety……. And yelling bullshit no fire when there is one is also a prosecutable offence ask the captain of a certain cruise liner.
The italians prosecuting scientists who failed to properly inform the public of risk http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/22/us-italy-earthquake-court-idUSBRE89L13V20121022
Deliberately misinforming the public has a similar consequences You could be held liable for the result.International corporations would be prosecuted in jurisdictions that allow such cases.
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March 17, 2014 5:22pm
UglyTruth

Unless speech raises an imminent danger to public safety (the classic shouting “fire” in a crowded theatre) then I would be reluctant to see it criminalised.

You’re in no position to evaluate threats to public safety, muppet. Denying the existence of criminals who assume the role of government.
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March 17, 2014 5:32pm
nasska

Two Irish men were looking at a mail order catalogue and admiring the models.

One says to the other, “Have you seen the beautiful girls in this catalogue?”

The second one replies, “Yes, they are very beautiful. And look at the price!”

The first one says, with wide eyes, “Wow, they aren’t very expensive. At this price, I’m buying one.”

The second one smiles and pats him on the back. “Good idea! Order one and if she’s as beautiful as she is in the catalogue, I will get one too.”

Three weeks later, the younger Irishman asks his friend, “Did you ever receive the girl you ordered from the catalogue?”

The second Irishman replies, “No, but it shouldn’t be long now. She sent all her clothes yesterday.”
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March 17, 2014 5:45pm
UglyTruth

Until last year, claims that prisoners in the “War on Terror” had been rendered through Diego Garcia — leased to the US for a military base that has been described as the United States’ “single most important military facility” — had been flatly denied by the British government. However, on February 21, 2008, the British foreign secretary David Miliband finally admitted that two rendition flights carrying US prisoners had stopped on Diego Garcia in January and September 2002.

http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2009/06/03/revealed-identity-of-guantanamo-torture-victim-rendered-through-diego-garcia/

Madni, an Islamic scholar, was rendered to Egypt and tortured because, on a trip to Indonesia to sort out his late father’s affairs, he was recorded by Indonesian intelligence with a group of young Indonesian Islamists who were under surveillance, and who, in teir conversation, discussed the shoe bomber Richard Reid, who had been captured the month before.

http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2011/01/24/video-ex-guantanamo-prisoner-and-victim-of-us-rendition-and-torture-speaks/
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March 17, 2014 5:50pm
griffith

O’Malley, a plumber by profession, was called by a lady with an emergency in her bathroom. Arriving at the scene, he turned off the water with a sigh, and replaced the faucet washer, ending the emergency. The lady was nice-looking, and lonely to boot, so before long Sean was helping her to heat up the bedroom. About four-thirty, the telephone rang, and after she hung up, the lady told O’Malley: “That was my husband. He’ll be home in about half an hour, but he’ll be leaving on a business trip to Chicago this evening at seven. Why don’t you come back at about seven-thirty, and we’ll continue where we left off?” “Saints!” exclamed Sean, aghast. “On me own time?”
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March 17, 2014 5:50pm
Reid

The politics behind AGW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyUDGfCNC-k

I’m waiting for Shane & Co to explain how AGW became a political not a scientific phenomena without resorting to a conspiwacy theowy. Which of course they can’t do unless they switch sides and agree with the warmists, but it’s going to be amusing to see them try.
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March 17, 2014 5:51pm
mikenmild

Oh Ugly, where did I say that I would evaluate such threats?
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March 17, 2014 5:59pm
mikenmild

I agree with Reid, for once. It’s hard to be ‘skeptical’ about climate change without subscribing to a conspiracy theory; in fact the biggest conspiracy theory of them all. Really puts faking the moon landings and 9/11 in their places.
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March 17, 2014 6:02pm
UglyTruth

Oh Ugly, where did I say that I would evaluate such threats?

Stop asking stupid questions, muppet.

http://www.cabaltimes.com/2014/03/12/ma370-redirected-to-diego-garcia/

It has now become fairly evident that the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing is not accidental. In fact, there is a strong possibility that the flight was commandeered to the US military base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. A bizarre “extraordinary rendition“?
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March 17, 2014 6:06pm
UglyTruth

in fact the biggest conspiracy theory of them all

You wouldn’t know a fact from a fallacy, MM. The Rothschild military-financial conspiracy theory makes global warming look like a tea party.
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March 17, 2014 6:10pm
mikenmild

I knew I wouldn’t regret clicking a link to ‘Cabal Times’.
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March 17, 2014 6:12pm
niggly

In fact, there is a strong possibility that the flight was commandeered to the US military base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. A bizarre “extraordinary rendition“?

Was wondering when the conspiracy theories would kick in 🙂

What’s the evidence for a “strong possibility that the flight was commandeered to the US military base at Diego Garcia”?

Surely a quick check on Google Earth at Diego Garcia would prove the existence of the 777 (but no one has spotted one so far … unless the Yanks have secretly developed a top secret massive underground basement big enough to hide one eh)! 😉
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March 17, 2014 6:15pm
griffith

Tim and Mick had stepped back into the brush to answer the call of nature. As they were blessing the soil with the golden elixer, Tim said, “Sure, an’ I wish I was hung like you are, Mick. Yours is big enough that ye need four fingers to hold it.” Mick glanced over and said, “Ah, now, Timothy, I see you’re usin’ four fingers.” “I am,” Tim shot back, “but I’m wettin’ on three of ’em.”
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March 17, 2014 6:23pm
UglyTruth

I knew I wouldn’t regret clicking a link to ‘Cabal Times’.

http://www.cabaltimes.com/2014/03/12/ma370-redirected-to-diego-garcia/

Immediately after shutting off its transponders, Flight 370 made a U-turn and headed in the direction of Diego Garcia, crossing Malaysia in the process.

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Malaysia’s Air Force Chief General Rodzali Daud first raised the possibility that the plane had reversed course the very next day (9th March), and he was quoted by a Malay-language paper as saying the jet had been tracked hundreds of miles from its intended flight path, over the Strait of Malacca off western Malaysia, and up to 320 kilometres northwest of the Malaysian state of Penang, after which it either disappeared or Malaysian radar lost capability to track it.

…

General Daud’s statement was clearly not expected, as all the concerned governments were vigorously pedalling the notion that the plane was lost in the Gulf of Thailand, and all search and rescue efforts got misdirected to the plane’s intended route. The Communist Vietnamese government even produced some eyewitnesses that testified seeing a plane flying low off their coast. There were repeated attempts to identify any piece of floating debris in the vicinity as that of Flight 370. When mainstream media picked up General Daud’s very credible statement, he was pressured into retracting it, and has now issued a formal retraction.
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March 17, 2014 6:26pm
chiz

mikenmild:I knew I wouldn’t regret clicking a link to ‘Cabal Times’.

I agree. The fact that American rapper Pitbull was part of the conspiracy was news to me!
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March 17, 2014 6:30pm
Lucia Maria

Radioactive ash threat from Russia

Summary of the post:

A comment was made on TV by Russian “journalist” Dmitry Kiselyov, reminding viewers that his country, as translated by the wire service AFP, “is the only one in the world “realistically capable of turning the United States into radioactive ash.” … In December, Putin put him in charge of a new state-run news entity called Rossiya Segodnya, which translates as “Russia Today”… The obvious point is that Kiselev wouldn’t have said without Putin’s implicit or explicit blessing.
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March 17, 2014 6:35pm
UglyTruth

What’s the evidence for a “strong possibility that the flight was commandeered to the US military base at Diego Garcia”?

motive & opportunity: rendition of a group of people involved in the export of US defence technology to China, and opportunity from a flight path toward a location known for the transfer of prisoners by rendition.

Surely a quick check on Google Earth at Diego Garcia would prove the existence of the 777

Actually not, the plane changed course several times as if to attempt to confuse radar operators, so it would make no sense for them to leave the proof “in plain sight” when they could refuel the T7 and hide in commercial traffic.
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March 17, 2014 6:35pm
mikenmild

I wonder how the relatives of those missing on Flight 370 feel about this sort of conspiracy-theory fuelled speculation.
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March 17, 2014 6:38pm
UglyTruth

The fact that American rapper Pitbull was part of the conspiracy was news to me!

The race to stupid has begun. Mikenmild, the favourite for the event, now has a challenger…

http://www.cabaltimes.com/2014/03/12/ma370-redirected-to-diego-garcia/

From Diego Garcia to Where?

If suppose we are to assume that the plane was indeed diverted to Diego Garcia, it is reasonable to assume that the plane and its passengers would not be kept there indefinitely. If we are to follow the logic of some devoted conspiracy theorists who are pursuing this on other forums, the plane and its passengers would be flown to the Eastern mainland of the United States, over the Atlantic Ocean to escape scrutiny (and comparatively less distance than the other way around). Of course, the plane’s livery would be painted over. The plane’s wreckage would later be carefully deposited by (presumably by air) on a location far away from Diego Garcia. But why are we discussing this here? Because the same devoted conspiracy theorists who are pursuing this on other forums have pointed out that four days after the disappearance of MH370, a curious military exercise took place on the Southern-Eastern part of the United States coastline. Fighter jets were reportedly “escorting” a plane. To quote,

“Members of the South Carolina Air National Guard are conducting an air defense exercise along the coast. Guard Senior Master Sergeant Edward Snyder says people might see fighter jets escorting a civilian aircraft Thursday over the North Charleston and Myrtle Beach areas.”
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March 17, 2014 6:43pm
Reid

Radioactive ash threat from Russia

Yeah but so what Lucia? Those of us who know what’s happening knew this was going to be an issue from the minute the US installed its satrap in Kiev. I mean duh. What does anyone who doesn’t naively hallucinate it’s a gwasswotts democwatic spontaneous bursting forth of fweedom, expect?

What would the USA do if Russia installed its own satrap in Mexico? Except there’s one difference. Russia’s not dumb enough to try that on.

The US ably assisted by it’s billion plus outrageously useful idiots sucked in by western media propaganda however IS dumb enough to try it on, with entirely predictable consequences. And you ain’t seen nothing yet. Noticed what’s been happening in the markets? Someone is dumping a huge amount of T-bills. It may be Russia, it may be Iran, it may be China and it may be all three. And it ain’t going to stop. That’s because none of those countries are run by useful idiots, they’re run by people who have eyes that see and ears that hear, unlike most of the western population.
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March 17, 2014 6:46pm
Reid

UT have you been following the AD updates on 370? They’re quite interesting if not.
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March 17, 2014 6:50pm
cha

A Western plot huh.

Subject Ukraine: The Russia Factor In Crimea – Ukraine’s “soft Underbelly”?

Origin Embassy Kyiv (Ukraine)

Cable time Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:49 UTC

[…]

However, nearly all contended that pro-Russian forces in Crimea, acting with funding and direction from Moscow, have systematically attempted to increase communal tensions in Crimea in the two years since the Orange Revolution. They have done so by cynically fanning ethnic Russian chauvinism towards Crimean Tatars and ethnic Ukrainians, through manipulation of issues like the status of the Russian language, NATO, and an alleged Tatar threat to “Slavs,” in a deliberate effort to destabilize Crimea, weaken Ukraine, and prevent Ukraine’s movement west into institutions like NATO and the EU. While the total number of pro-Russian activists in Crimea is relatively low, the focus is on shaping public perceptions and controlling the information space, so far with success.

http://cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=06KYIV4489&q=crimea
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March 17, 2014 6:56pm
UglyTruth

I wonder how the relatives of those missing on Flight 370 feel about this sort of conspiracy-theory fuelled speculation.

I wonder what the relatives of those killed when the US Navy shot down TWA flight 800 would think about this muppet parading his stupidity.

http://nypost.com/2013/07/17/documentary-raises-questions-about-doomed-twa-flight-800/

Stalcup began with the eyewitnesses and moved onto the investigators who were told to keep their mouths shut — investigators who finally couldn’t keep quiet any longer. What emerges is something so startling that it’s hard to comprehend. Witnesses come forward here who are still shaken and upset at what they saw and also how, they say, they were pressured by the feds into assuming that they “misperceived” what they saw.
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March 17, 2014 6:58pm
Reid

A Western plot huh.

Yes cha, this from my 12.23 as an example, there are plenty of others. And please note that if you wish to verify then the way to do it is read the fricking book, a critique of the website that mentions the principle doesn’t count, and if you didn’t know Brzezhinsky was a top FP advisor for Obama, then you’re not alone, but again, easy to verify that too. Have a look esp at the team during Obama’s most recent presidential campaign.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/16/354846/brzezinski-mapped-out-battle-for-ukraine/
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March 17, 2014 7:02pm
Steve (North Shore)

Wow, interesting day.
Full moon tonight chaps and chapesses, the second wave of lunatics will be arriving soon.
Go for it!
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March 17, 2014 7:02pm
mikenmild

We’ve got our hands full with Ugly and Reid already, Steve.
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March 17, 2014 7:11pm
UglyTruth

Full moon tonight chaps and chapesses, the second wave of lunatics will be arriving soon.

You must have a simple life, being able to disconnect from reality like that.

Why was there Molten Metal Under Ground Zero for Months after 9/11?
http://georgewashington.blogspot.co.nz/2005/12/why-was-there-molten-metal-under.html
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March 17, 2014 7:12pm
nasska

It’s going to be a big night Steve. Our undercover team managed to snap this shot of UT getting prepared. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p9v9misn0ampisj/conspiracy.jpg
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March 17, 2014 7:14pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

“So what?”

Hmmm, if I mention that I have earth moving equipment and I could flatten your house until there is nothing left – you would say, “So what?”, or would you consider me mentioning that fact a threat. Which if I were to mention it, it would be, otherwise I would say nothing, because I wouldn’t even be thinking of my earth moving equipment or your house.

The rest of your comment could have been lifted straight from “Russia Today”.
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March 17, 2014 7:15pm
Steve (North Shore)

Oarsome Nasska, they both have the same IQ
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March 17, 2014 7:23pm
Steve (North Shore)

“Why was there Molten Metal Under Ground Zero for Months after 9/11?”
You mean it is not there now UT? Did someone mine it?
Rotten bastards, mining in the middle of a City
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March 17, 2014 7:25pm
Lucia Maria

Cha,

What an interesting link. Especially this bit:

¶7. (SBU) Lytvynenko explained to us the historical, ethnic, and political reasons why Crimea represented fertile ground for troublemakers. Up to 70 percent of Crimea’s Slavic inhabitants arrived or were the descendants of those who came from Russia or Russian-influenced parts of eastern Ukraine from 1944, when Stalin ordered Crimea’s Tatars and several other much smaller ethnic groups deported to central Asia, and 1954, when Krushchev transferred autonomous Crimea to Ukraine’s administrative control. Most of the new arrivals were urban poor or had criminal backgrounds and moved into homes vacated by deportees; there was no connection or affiliation to Ukraine proper through 1991, with the possible exceptQn of the Dynamo Kyiv soccer club. Starting in 1990, however, this unfocused “Slavic” community of relative newcomers faced an influx of a dynamic, often well-educated, politically organized community of Crimean Tatar returnees, now numbering close to 300,000, or 15 percent of Crimea’s population.
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March 17, 2014 7:26pm
chiz

Murkier and murkier:

The final signals from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 may have been made after the plane landed, according to a senior official

[…..]

Today, Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said that the plane may have been grounded when its final satellite signals were sent.

He said the satellite “pings” that were last read at 8.11am on Saturday, six hours after the military radar last detected the airliner over the Malacca Strait, could have been transmitted from the ground if the plane had indeed landed […] “The plane can still transmit pings from the ground as long as there is electrical power,” he said.

[…]

Meanwhile, Britain’s Sunday Telegraph reports that an al-Qaeda supergrass told a New York court last week that four to five Malaysian men had been planning to take control of a plane using a bomb hidden in a shoe to blow open the cockpit door.

Convicted British terrorist Saajid Badat reportedly said the Malaysian jihadists, including a pilot, were “ready to perform an act”.
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March 17, 2014 7:36pm
cha

Walls and writing Lucia.

Subject Ukraine-russia: Is Military Conflict No Longer Unthinkable?

Origin Embassy Kyiv (Ukraine)

Cable time Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:10 UTC

[…]

Recent Russian actions have spurred a public discussion within the Ukrainian elite about Russian intentions toward Ukraine. The most systematic contribution to the debate has been made by former National Security Advisor Volodymyr Horbulin, who believes that internal Russian considerations are pushing Russia toward a confrontation with Ukraine prior to the expiration of the Black Sea Fleet basing agreement in 2017. Some of our contacts have echoed and even amplified Horbulin’s sense of alarm; others have downplayed the risk of armed conflict while remaining concerned about the general trajectory of Russian-Ukrainian relations. The overall impression is that Russian military action against Ukraine, while still unlikely, is no longer unthinkable. End summary.

http://cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=09KYIV1740&q=crimea
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March 17, 2014 7:42pm
UglyTruth

It’s going to be a big night Steve. Our undercover team managed to snap this shot of UT getting prepared.

“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky.

“The protective strategy is, in psychological terms, the well-known process called “denial.” We see it in alcoholics, and we see it in UFO-bashers. It is also quite an efficient way to handle complex data and hypotheses. Simply deny it, make a joke, and move on and away from the challenge. Ridicule is an almost essential part of the denial process. The debunker strives to convince not only his audience that the subject is nonsense, but he must also convince himself.” ~ Richard Butler
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March 17, 2014 7:47pm
mikenmild

I don’t think nasska needed much convincing that UT’s subjects are nonsense…
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March 17, 2014 7:49pm
nasska

….”The debunker strives to convince not only his audience that the subject is nonsense, but he must also convince himself.”…..

You took care of the second part for me UT….thanks! 🙂
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March 17, 2014 7:51pm
UglyTruth

“Why was there Molten Metal Under Ground Zero for Months after 9/11?”

You mean it is not there now UT?

You’re a bit late for the race, Steve.

http://www.wtc7.net/noprobe.html

What did the government do to investigate the unprecedented collapse of a steel-framed building from fires? It gave FEMA the sole discretion to investigate the collapse, even though FEMA is not an investigative agency.

FEMA assembled a team of volunteer engineers from the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), dubbed the Building Performance Assessment Team (BPAT), to write the World Trade Center Building Performance Study . The engineers were not granted access to the site of the catastrophe. Rather, they were allowed to pick through some pieces of metal that arrived at the Fresh Kills landfill. Most of the steel was never seen by the part-time investigators. It had been sold to scrap metal vendors, and was being shipped out to overseas ports as quickly as the newly constructed infrastructure could handle.
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March 17, 2014 7:53pm
nasska

A report that an Alien spaceship sighting in the Nevada Desert during the summer of 1969 was covered up by the US military , has been dismissed as ‘a ridiculous conspiracy theory’.

A spokesman added , ” We were filming the Moon landings at the time. “
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March 17, 2014 8:00pm
griffith

World Trade Center Disaster Study
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/

On August 21, 2002, with funding from the U.S. Congress through FEMA, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) announced its building and fire safety investigation of the World Trade Center (WTC) disaster that occured on September 11, 2001. The NIST WTC Investigation was conducted under the authority of the National Construction Safety Team Act.

The goals of the investigation of the WTC disaster were:

To investigate the building construction, the materials used, and the technical conditions that contributed to the outcome of the WTC disaster.
To serve as the basis for: improvements in the way buildings are designed, constructed, maintained, and used; improved tools and guidance for industry and safety officials; recommended revisions to current codes, standards, and practices; and improved public safety.

The specific objectives were:

Determine why and how WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed following the initial impacts of the aircraft and why and how WTC 7 collapsed;
Determine why the injuries and fatalities were so high or low depending on location, including all technical aspects of fire protection, occupant behavior, evacuation, and emergency response;
Determine what procedures and practices were used in the design, construction, operation, and maintenance of WTC 1, 2, and 7; and
Identify, as specifically as possible, areas in current building and fire codes, standards, and practices that warrant revision.

http://www.nist.gov/building-and-fire-research-portal.cfm
Building and Fire Research Portal – Overview

The mission of the building and fire research programs at NIST is to anticipate and meet the measurement science, standards, and technology needs of the U.S. building and fire safety industries in areas of critical national need. Strategic goals include net-zero energy high-performance buildings, advancing infrastructure delivery and improving construction productivity through information integration and automation technologies, sustainable infrastructure materials, innovative fire protection, and disaster-resilient structures and communities, which includes work on hurricanes, earthquakes, and fires. NIST has specific statutory responsibilities for fire prevention and control, earthquake hazards reduction, windstorm impact reduction, and building and fire safety investigations.,

WINGNUT!!!
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March 17, 2014 8:09pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

You really ought to research the people you put up as evidence for your point of view. For instance, Googling ‘Zbigniew Brzezinski’ gave me on the first page a link to this article: Putin ‘wants to rebuild USSR with Ukraine’ – Brzezinski:

Political scientist, geostrategist and former United States National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, at 85 highly respected in Washington foreign policy circles, spoke to euronews about the events in Ukraine.

An author of many books, this Polish-born American has been a critic of a number of the superpower’s policies over the years; some of his ideas have rankled both US and European governments as well as Moscow.

Alternately, he has supported international detente, engagement and vigorous intervention in theatres where morality and human rights have been under threat, globally.

Washington euronews correspondent Stefan Grobe asked: “Dr. Brzezinski, you have been warning against a situation in which Russia would bully Ukraine and destabilise Ukrainian statehood for more than two decades. Did Putin’s action now come as a surprise to you?”

Zbigniew Brzezinski: “No, not at all, because he has told us things such as, ‘the Collapse of the Soviet Union is the greatest calamity of the 20th century.’ Just think what that means: World War I – millions killed. World War II – millions and millions and millions killed, plus the Holocaust. The Cold War – the possibility of a nuclear disaster for all of humanity. No, no, all of that is not as important as the disappearance of a state in which he was a secret policeman, KGB type. He wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. And Ukraine is the prize. If he can get Ukraine he can have a crack at that undertaking.”

Grobe: “We know the Russians are good chess players…”

Brzezinski: “Some of them; some of them are very bad.”

Grobe: “But now it looks like Putin is throwing the chessboard against the wall. Does he know what he is doing? Does he follow a master plan for Ukraine?”

Brzezinski: “Well, he is certainly following a calculus, but a rather short-term one in my judgement. For example, he disguised his troopers that he sent into Crimea as, somehow or other, people from Mars: you don’t know where they are from, right. That’s deniability. That’s a little bit like mafia sending in gangsters to kill someone with their faces covered. Okay, so what does that accomplish? Everybody knows that they are from Russia, but still there is deniability. My guess is that, when he did that, he was contemplating the possibility of then going further. If there is no reaction from the Ukrainians in general and if there is no reaction from the West, he can pull these stunts off in eastern Ukraine, take over district by district, and then eventually dismember Ukraine and then impose a government of his choice in Kyiv.”

Just noticed that my Dad would have been the same age as Brzezinski, if he were still alive.
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A report that an Alien spaceship sighting in the Nevada Desert during the summer of 1969 was covered up by the US military , has been dismissed as ‘a ridiculous conspiracy theory’.

https://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0624.html
Air Force Details a New Theory in U.F.O. Case

For instance, one serviceman who crashed in a test balloon 10 miles northwest of Roswell suffered an injury that caused his head to swell and resemble the bulbous cranium of the classic science-fiction alien, the report says. This secretive 1959 mishap, it adds, apparently led decades later to tales of a crashed extraterrestrial that walked under its own power into a military hospital.
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