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Manolo

Nobody knows the truth yet: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/jet-was-hijacked-malaysian-official-tells-ap/2014/03/15/ec7397d6-abff-11e3-af5f-4c56b834c4bf_print.html

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said Saturday that a missing passenger jet was steered off course after its communications systems were intentionally disabled and could have potentially flown for seven additional hours.
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March 16, 2014 8:10am
hj

Seinfield criticised for lack of D.

“Funnyman Jerry Seinfeld isn’t laughing over mounting criticism that his shows are not diverse enough — and thinks it’s a bunch of “PC nonsense.”

The “Seinfeld” co-creator lost his cool when a BuzzFeed interviewer asked him about the predominantly white male guests on his Web-based series, “Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee.”

He has for years faced similar questions about a lack of diversity on the smash NBC hit that shot him to stardom.

“I have noticed that most of the guests are mostly white males,” BuzzFeed business editor Peter Lauria said.

Seinfeld cut him off before Lauria could get out the actual question.

“Yeah, let’s get into that!” the agitated comic said in an interview aired on “CBS This Morning.”

Seinfeld then goaded the audience into taking his side.

“Take a look around, Peter, what do you see? A lotta whitey! What’s going on here?” said Seinfeld, drawing laughs.

“Oh, this really pisses me off, but go ahead. Really pisses me off.”

The aggressive move worked, and Lauria backed down.

The interviewer pivoted to a more pleasant topic, asking about a recent episode with “30 Rock” creator Tina Fey.

Seinfeld talked about the appearance, and then took it upon himself to revisit the racial-diversity issue.

“People think it’s the Census or something,” Seinfeld said.

“I mean, this has gotta represent the actual pie chart of America? Who cares? Funny is the world that I live in. You’re funny, I’m interested. You’re not funny, I’m not interested. And I have no interest in gender or race or anything like that.”

http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/seinfeld-defends-nearly-all-white-shows-comedian-interviews/
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March 16, 2014 8:19am
wat dabney

Our friend Reid’s posts here may have reminded you of someone, but you just couldn’t remember who…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gku_xU2BXBs
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March 16, 2014 8:21am
Simon

Malaysian govt either incompetent or sinister. In a real country the PM would have resigned by now.

So bad the yanks had to step in even if this Razak moron still fronting. It seems the yanks that have busted this wide open and the chinese govt have been reduced to moaning from on the side lines. Not quiet China’s century yet.
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March 16, 2014 8:24am
All_on_Red

In Australia ,No boat loads of illegal economic immigrants for over three months now. And the ones who have arrived are steadily starting to take up the option to go home. Abbott has done a good job in healing the rift caused by Gillard with the Indonesian government and getting their cooperation to stop the boats. Smuggling fees have dropped from $10,000 a trip to $1,000 and it’s clear the smugglers realise it’s pointless now trying.
This is great news for those genuine refugees which seek protection and freedom. Also Abbotts strong will is in marked contrast to the “soft” progressive policy of Gillard and Rudd which lured all those illegal immigrants and caused over 1,000 men, women and children to drown. The hell hole which is Manus Island which was set up by Gillard will eventually be closed as more people leave.
It’s pretty good example of the contrast between the left and right. Softness from the left disguised as kindness caused deaths yet strong will from the right has stopped that. Abbott has shown himself to be more humane than Gillard and Rudd.
Of course you wont read about this in the NZH especially from that biased prick Greg Ansley.
“Operation Sovereign Borders Joint Agency Task Force update (9am Friday 7 March to 9am Friday 14 March):
During this reporting period there were no illegal maritime arrivals transferred to Australian Immigration authorities.Twenty illegal maritime arrivals were transferred to the offshore processing centre in Nauru.
Eight illegal maritime arrival transferees were voluntarily returned to their country of origin after electing to go home from an offshore processing centre— five to Lebanon, two to Iran and one to Sudan.
Two illegal maritime arrival detainees were voluntarily removed—one to Iran and one to Pakistan.
As at 9.00am Friday 14 March 2014, there was a total of 1314 people on Manus Island, 1136 people in Nauru and 1707 people in the Christmas Island facilities.”
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March 16, 2014 8:24am
stephieboy

I see the search area has been extended as even far west as Kazakhstan which might suggest pilot involvement in a hijacking Apparently .M H 370 had enough fuel for several hours flying.
But this is no NWO Conspiracy Icke,Makov, Jones ,Resne etc fans.!
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March 16, 2014 8:28am
griffith

.Dear Wat

Hows the conspirowacky going?

You now the one with thousands of scientists all making stuff up because they are evil commies.

Nothing like a global conspirowhacky of evil scientists to prove wingnuttery.

I would Love to hold your whacky up to the same light you hold reids to.
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March 16, 2014 8:29am
Scott Chris

Stuff’s headline this morning re the missing plane:

Pilot, co-pilot probed

Just as I suspected. Aliens.
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March 16, 2014 8:31am
hj

The British Dream by David Goodhart and The Diversity Illusion by Ed West: review

Until recently, it has been impossible to have a balanced public discussion about immigration. Anyone who challenged the liberal view that mass immigration was a good thing risked being denounced as racist. Politicians who talked about the subject, such as William Hague in the 2001 general election, or Michael Howard in 2005, were portrayed by the BBC as extremists.

Discussion was closed down, which meant that the field was left open to the genuine bigots from the British National Party. This was unfortunate because this period of official silence coincided with the most significant period of demographic change Britain has ever known.

Only in the last two or three years has it become possible to discuss immigration in a sensible way. Part of the reason for this change is the courageous stand taken by David Goodhart. In 2004, Goodhart wrote an article in Prospect, the Blairite magazine he founded, that challenged the assumption that immigration is always a good thing.

Goodhart posed a troubling question: does immigration threaten the social solidarity that Left-wingers claim to cherish? In a relatively homogenous society, as Britain was during and after the Second World War, people will help each other out because they share values. In a highly diverse society this sense of community – so necessary for the consent the welfare state requires – is undermined. There is therefore (so Goodhart argued) a contradiction between the progressive support for both “diversity” and “community”.

When the article appeared Goodhart was, needless to say, accused of being a racist. But his argument (inspired by the Conservative MP David Willetts) has been impossible to ignore. It has forced the Labour Party to think again about immigration.
Goodhart has now turned his article into a book. Well-written, thoughtful and exhaustively researched, his volume will come to be regarded as one of the most important contributions to political debate in the early 21st century. He demolishes the myths created by the liberal elite about immigration, exposes the lies and contradictions, and suggests a way forward. Though he tells us many shocking things, he expresses himself in a measured and sober way.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/9986465/The-British-Dream-by-David-Goodhart-and-The-Diversity-Illusion-by-Ed-West-review.html
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March 16, 2014 8:32am
Judith

@ All_on_Red (869 comments) says:
March 16th, 2014 at 8:24 am

Yes, and I certainly hope our government and the future jig-saw government take note.
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March 16, 2014 8:35am
All_on_Red

Hj
Nice, of course calling someone a racist is just code for the standard leftist tactic of ” shut up, shut up, shut up!”
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March 16, 2014 8:36am
Judith

@ Scott Chris (5,644 comments) says:
March 16th, 2014 at 8:31 am

As I sat and listened to the latest reports last night, all I could feel was great sympathy for those families.

One minute they are told the plane has almost certainly gone down – and now that it was hyjacked, leaving a very small possibility that it may have actually landed and that their loved ones could still be alive.

However unlikely that is, when in times like this, we tend to grab hold of even the slightest bit of hope – those families need a definitive answer. How horrible, and how cruel this has been on them.

I can’t think of anything in the animal kingdom that is quite as cruel as the human race.
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March 16, 2014 8:39am
Tauhei Notts

Spare a kind thought for those Blues supporters as they struggle with their “Depression” problems.
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March 16, 2014 8:39am
All_on_Red

What I am concerned about,( apart from the passengers and their relatives- that must be horrible) is what is the plane going to be used for? I doubt they want ransom for the passengers.
A flying bomb?
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March 16, 2014 8:44am
hj

hj (5,566 comments) says:
March 16th, 2014 at 8:19 am

Seinfield criticised for lack of D.
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Goes to show that a “monoculture” (loaded word implying monotony) isn’t boring. The same applies to Dickens

“Pancks ( Little Dorrit ) Clerk and rent collector for Mr. Casby. He assists in finding William Dorrit’s fortune. Dickens employs the metaphor of Pancks as a tugboat guiding Casby’s “ship.” Pancks moves tugboat style “with a puff and a snort.”

http://charlesdickenspage.com/char_n-q.htm
BTW

Goodhart demolishes what he calls the “immigrationist myth”. This is the proposition, spun by the political elite for the last quarter century, that Britain is a mongrel nation that has always been open to outside arrivals. As he painstakingly demonstrates, this is almost completely untrue: “From 1066 until 1950 immigration was almost non-existent – about 50,000 Huguenots in the 16th and 17th century, about 150,000 Jews in two waves, and perhaps one million or more Irish over 200 years, during which time they were internal migrants within one state.” More immigrants now arrive on British shores in a single year than they did in the entire period from 1066 to 1950, excluding wartime flows and the Irish.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/9986465/The-British-Dream-by-David-Goodhart-and-The-Diversity-Illusion-by-Ed-West-review.html
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March 16, 2014 8:55am
Judith

@ All_on_Red (871 comments) says:
March 16th, 2014 at 8:44 am

Good Point – there maybe a complete plane out there with the capacity to fly great distances, in the hands of people that by their very actions have proven themselves to have no compassion, and be mentally unstable. If that is the case, we all have reason to worry.
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March 16, 2014 8:56am
holysheet

Take a closer look at Diego Garcia. All alone out there in the indian ocean, airfield big enough to take the worlds biggest planes.
My conspiracy hat tells me the CIA hijacked the plane to prevent the Chinese getting those 20 or so tech experts with all the US defence knowledge.
It’s tricky, just saying.
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March 16, 2014 8:57am
griffith

Another one
All n red.

have you bothered finding out what RSS is and why it does not prove “no surface warming”?

In fact did you know that RSS clearly shows the effects of global warming.

In the decline in upper atmosphere temperatures caused by co2s warm blanket holding the heat down.

http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html

Have fun all n red as you click on the higher channels to see the high atmospheres cooling from AGW.

And for fucks sake wake up to the fact dr Roy Spencer is a creationist christian who has religious views that override his Scientific thinking.
http://www.cornwallalliance.org/
The Cornwall Alliance is a coalition of clergy, theologians, religious leaders, scientists, academics, and policy experts committed to bringing a balanced Biblical view of stewardship to the critical issues of environment and development

“The Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming rests on the solid findings of the Renewed Call to Truth, so evangelicals can be confident that it represents outstanding theology, science, and economics.” CA

Roy has god in a big way. outstanding Theology and science 😆 You can have one or the other not both.
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March 16, 2014 8:59am
stephieboy

griffith nothing wacky about wat but as far Reid,UT etc well……ummm.!
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March 16, 2014 8:59am
peterwn

See:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11220375
‘Cold-case killer convicted with science help from NZ’

Is this the sort of export industry that David Cunliffe hopes for. Well done ESR.
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March 16, 2014 9:03am
ShawnLH

I never got Seinfeld, or that spinoff that’s playing in NZ. There is something just too cynical and smartass about both.

But “diversity” is just Cultural Marxist speak for anyone but white, heterosexual males.
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March 16, 2014 9:04am
jcuk

With Flight 370 apparently heading across the Southern India Ocean in latest reports makes me wonder if a cash strapped Aussie airline wants another plane [black humour]
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March 16, 2014 9:08am
stephieboy

Flight 370 attracts bizarre Conpiracy theories,

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/disappearance-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-sparks-conspiracy-theories-article-1.1717801
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March 16, 2014 9:11am
ShawnLH

“Theology and science 😆 You can have one or the other not both.”

Sure you can.

Society of Ordained Scientists. Founder, Rev. Dr. Arthur Peacocke. Website, http://www.ordainedscientists.org/

The Society of Ordained Scientists (S.O.Sc.) is an international religious order of priest-scientists within the Anglican Communion. The organisation was founded at the University of Oxford by biologist-theologian Arthur Peacocke following the establishment of several other similar societies in the 1970s, in order to advance the field of religion and science. Membership in the Society of Ordained Scientists is open to any member of a Christian denomination upholding belief in the Holy Trinity. As a result, the ecumenical religious order includes individuals from the Anglican Church, Catholic Church, Methodist Church, Orthodox Church, Reformed Church, among other Christian denominations.
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March 16, 2014 9:12am
Judith

@ holysheet (178 comments) says:
March 16th, 2014 at 8:57 am

I read a news report last night, which I can’t find now, that quoted a pilot who flew these things, and he reckoned they are over-estimating the size of the runway needed and that he has and can land one on (I think it said) 3500. His argument was that if it had been landed by a person with previous experience, there were a number of places they weren’t considering that were capable of being used.

Like 9/11, the moon landings, UFO’s and other things, I have no idea and are not sufficiently scientifically capable of working out any of the arguments… I am however trained in researching human nature – where both in modern society and historically innocent lives have been used by egotists with some whacky agenda to achieve their own selfish needs/beliefs – so nothing would surprise me.
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March 16, 2014 9:13am
flash2846

@ hj (5,567 comments) says: Seinfield criticised for lack of D.

Thanks hj for the post

What the interviewer means is; where are the standard character types: ‘INTELLECTUAL CLEVER BLACK GUYS’. the ‘FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET’ GIRLS, the ‘SMARTER THAN SMART GAY GUYS’ the ‘DUMB WHITE GUYS’, the PATHETIC, CORRUPT, DISHONEST, RACIST, SELFISH, INCOMPETANT, PERVERTED and WEAK etc….. WHITE GUYS

…..who are always over represented in American television.
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March 16, 2014 9:18am
griffith

Stephie wat isnt being a whack because I have held him up to ridicule so often he will not play.

You may not have clicked but griffith is a new log in for Griff who had around 6,000 comments and three years on kb.

A few hundred of those will be addressed to Wat and a couple of other wingnuts. One other of whom is andy who can be found in postings on denial on the daily blog and whale. He seldom posts on kb because the ridicule got to him as well 😆 Griff and pulling the wings of wingnuts.

. If you aint read saul RFR get a copy and memorize the simple rules.
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March 16, 2014 9:21am
rightofleftcentre

This from Russel Norman in a Fairfax interview today (http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9829067/Frugal-Russel-true-to-his-roots):

“Probably my education is my best investment. It’s a mixed bag, actually. When I first left school I did 3 years of medicine. It actually was very useful in the long run, but in the short-term, it meant I wasted quite a lot of time and money on what is effectively a trade, without ever completing it. Later on I went back and did a BA (Honours) and PhD in politics and history.”

So what do you do when you drop-out? You denigrate the profession you failed to enter. Then do a PhD on something really relevant: the NZ Alliance party – strange choice for an Aussie – not suggesting it was a soft option… And then become……..da da…….a left wing politician, whose main contribution is sarcastic negativity.

Trade or profession, Russel? Or neither?
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March 16, 2014 9:23am
wat dabney

Oh dear Griff.

“In fact did you know that RSS clearly shows the effects of global warming. In the decline in upper atmosphere temperatures caused by co2s warm blanket holding the heat down.”

In fact enhanced warming of the troposphere is a fingerprint of anthropogenic warming. So you are actually strongly arguing against the alarmists’ theory here and demonstrating the sceptical case.
(Enhanced polar warming is, of course, another fingerprint of AGW; which again is entirely noticeable by its absence. Yet more proof that the sceptics are entirely correct.)

This is powerful evidence that recent warming was natural rather than anthropogenic.

And when I say ‘recent’ I mean, of course, ‘not very recent at all’:

“No global warming for 17 years, 6 months”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/04/no-global-warming-for-17-years-6-months/

The promised global warming never happened. Yet the religionists just keep on getting more and more shrill don’t they.

By the way, the idea that CO2 acts like a “warm blanket holding the heat down.” is adorable. And that you think that a warmer lower atmosphere would actually lead to a cooler upper atmosphere is delightful.
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March 16, 2014 9:27am
ShawnLH

And not everything is black and white on the evangelical side with regards to climate change.

The Evangelical Climate Initiative (ECI) is a campaign by US-American church leaders and organizations to promote market based mechanisms to mitigate global warming.
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March 16, 2014 9:29am
flipper

There is much (in some ways understandable) angst over the missing Malaysian 777.
But to claim that the Malaysians are in competent is just drivel.

The facts are that US satellites are today able, through one means or another, to track the flight path of almost every international aircraft flight, at some stage during a flight. Moreover the 777 and other similar aircraft have several highly classified automatic emergency transmitters. It seems that it has been established that these transmitters were disabled. What that would require, is closely guarded and on-board knowledge, and crew participation. But it has also emerged that engine pinging devices were in operation for four hours (out of a maximum of five) after the aircraft disappeared from radar tracking.

The French, Russia, and the Chinese have top quality satellite capability, and other means of aircraft tracking/identification. But they are many years BEHIND the US capability. Just how much, and what that means in terms of war conflicts, is the most closely guarded of secrets. Any sensible analyst would ask whether the US would reveal its entire technical means when a foreign airline disappears. It would reveal more were it a US airliner, but the release would be closely controlled and disguised.

So where does this leave us?

It seems clear that it is, as was said by the Malaysians on Australian Sky News last n bight, either hijacking or suicide.

I do not see much point in firing shots at the Malaysians, because they have limited technical capabilities.
BUT…Malaysia is an Islamic nation, is it not???
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March 16, 2014 9:41am
wiseowl

Watching pants down Brown on Q+A makes me feel ill.

And I loved the comment on English………waffle,waffle,waffle.

Summed him up nicely.
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March 16, 2014 9:45am
NoCash

I was talking with my workmates on Friday morning when we first learnt that the plane was “pinging” the satellite. We discussed that assuming that each ping was done in pulse then it shouldn’t be too difficult work out an estimated flight path based on the last known location and Doppler shift with a geostationary satellite. It turns out that the Inmarsat network does use geostationary satellite.

If my workmates and I were able to figure out a way to try locating the plane with basically no operating knowledge of the aviation industry, surely the experts in the industry would have figured that out since day one.
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March 16, 2014 9:48am
All_on_Red

Griff
I have been aware of the work of Remote Sensing Systems for some years now. In fact have quoted it to you in the past and been abused by you for it.
Both RSS and UAH actually measure from the surface up to the Troposphere . The reason there is interest in temperatures in the Troposphere is because that is where warmest scientists say positive feedback and radiative forcing is taking place in what they call ” hot spots”. This was one of the main planks of CAGW theory which promulgates we will see rises of 3-6 degrees K.
This effect has not been observed and as you know the average global temp has changed little for twenty years . Looking at surface temps, the north has warmed, the middle a bit and the south not at all.
My view is that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, as is water vapour . When the two mix, they create warming. However, Positive feedback is less than thought, if at all and that climate sensitivity because of this lack of feedback is about 1.3 – 1.5 degrees K per century.
Natural variability plays a huge part in this and is influenced by ENSO, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the Atlantic Multi- decadal Oscillation and sunspot activity (less or more).These things sometimes balance out warming by providing a mechanism through which cooling can occur or sometimes cause warming.No one has yet been able to accurately say how much warming man actually contributes through emission of CO2. There is no doubt that man does influence things by changing the environment we live in. Deforestation and Urban Heat Island effect from large cities spring to mind.
There has been no increase worldwide in extreme weather activity like hurricanes, floods and droughts.
Sea level rise is consistent at 2-3 mm per decade. Just as it always has been as we continue to warm from the little Ice Age.
In terms of life on our Planet, warming is better than getting colder and there is no doubt an increase in CO2 has been beneficial for us all in terms of extra and faster growth of food.
I have nothing further to say to you now , your childish abuse is boring and you can complete your journey on your own.
Our Planet is amazing and we are truly fortunate to be on it.
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March 16, 2014 9:50am
Colville

The idea that a big plane could fly could fly an unplanned/off the books flight within 1000 miles of an operational US air/army/navy base without being shot down just seems silly to me.
Diego Garcia is smack bang in the middle of the indian ocean, if it didnt go to DG then it had to fly over India?
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March 16, 2014 10:01am
tvb

The illegal immigrant trade that swamped Australia is probably the biggest policy blunder of the Gillard/Rudd Government. It cost $11billion over 1000 people drowned at sea. Now the trade has slowed to a crawl. Christine Milne of the Greens still does not get it. Instead she bangs on about one person murdered on Manus Island. If the trade is opened up again then more people will drown at sea. Tony Abbott is dead right about this. The Labour Party does not get Abbott but the public do as the recent State Elections in Tasmania and South Australia show, in which both State Labor Governments ran on an anti Abbott ticket and lost.
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March 16, 2014 10:02am
Viking2

Socialists attempt to change your housing perceptions.

The concept of smaller homes was welcomed by business journalist Rod Oram who said it was important to demonstrate to people that it was possible to have compact houses that were still attractive. “In this case they are light and airy and are very carefully designed for maximum sunlight and heat.”

Oram said older couples who were downsizing might find the options attractive. He hoped that with time the design could be improved to be less boxy and more interesting.

Housing Minister Nick Smith said New Zealand houses had been growing consistently larger even though household size had declined. “This initiative is about leading a change of thinking to smaller and more affordable housing.”
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9833198/Small-homes-make-impression
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March 16, 2014 10:06am
griffith

Wat did you read my little note to red?
The link is above to rss
have a look wat
note the decline in temperatures the higher you go. its your choice of graph do you have a reason for the decline in upper air temperature so vividly shown on rss? A cooling upper atmosphere Is a result of less of the sun’s energy escaping into space

As for your link A Watts and loopy lord mockton in the same post 😆
and they have the following scientific credentials………………….

failed tv weather man and a public speaker who has a history of bullshit against nasa the royal society the national academy all major scientific bodies in the world all major world governments the world bank the un the pentagon etcetera

A letter sent to lord full of shit by the english parlement

http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/july/letter-to-viscount-monckton/
I must repeat my predecessor’s statement that you are not and have never been a Member of the House of Lords…

The guy is a whack job who has been caught bullshiting so often its a joke 😆

You posted a link to conspiracy thinking a few months age and used it to attack our moonbats why don’t you hold your own conspiracy up to the same light.
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March 16, 2014 10:12am
igm

What the hell is going on? Heard Lecher Len on NewstalkZB stating the furore is over and he is now operating as per usual with no interferences. There is no place for a creep such as this dishonest, fraudulent, immoral cretin in a public position of trust and expected decency. Come on demonstrators go up another gear!
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March 16, 2014 10:24am
griffith

Both RSS and UAH actually measure from the surface up to the Troposphere

😆
they measure down from space and are the most inaccurate temperatures series we have. The reason you wingnuts insist on quoting rss is it’s not the surface temperature and an artefact of the methods used it can not resolve temperature at the surface clearly. it also can not resolve the poles due to atmospheric depth so missis the huge warming north.
Cristy and spencer have repeatedly had their work corrected by others for underestimating the rise in temperature.

rss is not surface temperature or accurate. it also shows surface temprature rise even in your cherry picked time span from 1998 elnino. If the trend is not significant you increase the data span untill the trend rises from the noise not ignore the numbers because of your wingnut beliefs
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March 16, 2014 10:26am
wat dabney

griff,

Enhanced warming of the troposphere is a fingerprint of AGW.

By pointing out the absence of this signature you are in fact demonstrating the falsity of the AGW theory.

Just as if you chose to point out the absence of enhanced polar warming.

Or if you chose to point out the absence of any warming for some 18 years, in complete contradiction of the alarmists’ promises.

“A cooling upper atmosphere Is a result of less of the sun’s energy escaping into space”

Try and think through the physics of what you are claiming and you may realise the utter absurdity of it.

The whole AGW theory is based on the idea that more sunlight is retained has heat in the atmosphere. The upper atmosphere doesn’t cool as a result of this, because it is part of the very atmosphere that is retaining more heat. All that happens is that it operates at a higher equilibrium.

Whatever theory you imagine you are advocating here, it is not the enhanced anthropogenic global warming theory. It is something you invented from whole cloth.
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March 16, 2014 10:39am
hj

As oxytocin comes into sharper focus, its social radius of action turns out to have definite limits. The love and trust it promotes are not toward the world in general, just toward a person’s in-group. Oxytocin turns out to be the hormone of the clan, not of universal brotherhood. Psychologists trying to specify its role have now concluded it is the agent of ethnocentrism.
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Despite the limitation on oxytocin’s social reach, its effect seems to be achieved more through inducing feelings of loyalty to the in-group than by fomenting hatred of the out-group. The Dutch researchers found some evidence that it enhances negative feelings, but this was not conclusive. “Oxytocin creates intergroup bias primarily because it motivates in-group favoritism and because it motivates out-group derogation,” they write.
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What does it mean that a chemical basis for ethnocentrism is embedded in the human brain? “In the ancestral environment it was very important for people to detect in others whether they had a long-term commitment to the group,” Dr. De Dreu said. “Ethnocentrism is a very basic part of humans, and it’s not something we can change by education. That doesn’t mean that the negative aspects of it should be taken for granted.”

Bruno B. Averbeck, an expert on the brain’s emotional processes at the National Institute of Mental Health, said that the effects of oxytocin described in Dr. De Dreu’s report were interesting but not necessarily dominant. The brain weighs emotional attitudes like those prompted by oxytocin against information available to the conscious mind. If there is no cognitive information in a situation in which a decision has to be made, like whether to trust a stranger about whom nothing is known, the brain will go with the emotional advice from its oxytocin system, but otherwise rational data will be weighed against the influence from oxytocin and may well override it, Dr. Averbeck said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/science/11hormone.html

So when Brown (NZ First) or Des Dunlop (Grey Power) get their nose rubbed in it for asking “will they fit in”, the response is “why is it only Asian immigration you are opposed to?” The conclusion is : ah ha! Gotcha! rotten racist -and a closing of the debate. However the two different reactions to people from U.K versus Asians don’t preclude the possibility that more immigration is bad (if not for everybody) and it raises such things as the question of identity. It is not PC to see yourself as part of a group with a common heritage and that group to have a right to the geographical entity known as New Zealand). There is also a question of cultural dilution (rather than the alleged enhancement). The same ethnocentric focus applies to Asians as Europeans.
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March 16, 2014 10:40am
hj

Viking2 (10,549 comments) says:
March 16th, 2014 at 10:06 am

Socialists attempt to change your housing perceptions.
….
What is wrong with new urbanism? We have waste space between houses and garden is best concentrated where it is viewed from a window (not down a driveway). Also garages and driveways are a waste of space etc?
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March 16, 2014 10:49am
All_on_Red

Wat,
It’s hilarious isn’t it.
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March 16, 2014 10:54am
griffith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Troposphere_Temperature_Trend1.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troposphere
The temperature of the troposphere generally decreases as altitude increases. The rate at which the temperature decreases, -dT/dz, is called the environmental lapse rate (ELR). The ELR is nothing more than the difference in temperature between the surface and the tropopause divided by the height. The reason for this temperature difference is that most absorption of the sun’s energy occurs at the ground which then heats the lower levels of the atmosphere, and the radiation of heat occurs at the top of the atmosphere cooling the earth, this process maintaining the overall heat balance of the earth.

less radiation into space means the upper atmosphere will show cooling just like your rss temperature series confirms, the heatenergy is being retained by earth not radiated into space..

Try actually reading some science rather than wingnut sources with no authority and hidden funding

All the scientist are in a massive conspiracy you can only trust blogs not the government’s or the university’s or anyone else in actual authority. Conspircy thinking 😆 wingnuts and reality .
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March 16, 2014 11:00am
cha

They never went away.

google translation:

Kharkov National Bolsheviks picket Russian consulate with posters “for Vova”. To get, as everything is mixed up with them

https://twitter.com/adagamov/status/443108852641574913/photo/1
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March 16, 2014 11:21am
calendar girl

Viking2 (10,549 comments) says:
March 16th, 2014 at 10:06 am

Socialists attempt to change your housing perceptions.

Thanks for that interesting link, Viking. Perhaps socialist business journalist Rod Oram and Housing Minister Nick Smith would care to let us know the floor areas of their own principal places of residence. (Or are they advocating smaller homes just for everyone else?)

Those smaller houses featured are not “inexpensive” either, in relative terms, for that far out in the western suburbs:
– 40sqm home for $340,000; and
– 89sqm home for $485,000.
If somebody is not making a killing on the sale of the underlying land (is it Government-owned land?), then the builder is promoting a very handsome little earner for itself.

The prices are not true “market” prices, of course, given Government sponsorship and artificial promotion. Value (as opposed to prices) will ultimately be established by sales in the secondary market.
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March 16, 2014 11:24am
griffith

yes all in red it is as funny as reid and his moonbat theory’s sourced from the alt blogosphere. This time its you and wat who are the joke.

You all hate the Greens who at lest recognise reality.

If the right doest engage in climate change in a constructive manner and attempt to halt the rise in co2 we are fucked.

This is not alarmist bullshit its sound peer-reviewed science from the worlds scientific authority’s

Idiots like you two and the fuckwits giving me reds are going to regret their stupidity when their kids ask them why?
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March 16, 2014 11:24am
ShawnLH

Both extremes of the climate debate are wrong. Those claiming that AGW is absolutely happening are no different to those claiming it is absolutely not.

Science, real science, does not deal in absolutes, but in balances of probability.
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March 16, 2014 11:26am
All_on_Red

Agree Shawn, which is why I’d describe myself as a “lukewarmer”
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March 16, 2014 11:29am
Pete George

From #NewZealandifiedMovieTitles

A Few Choice Blokes
Apopsicalypse Now
Ben Chur
Billy T. James Bond
Born On The Sixth Of February
Butch Cassidy And The Milky Bar Kid
Catton a Hot Tin Roof
Djandal Unchained
East of Dunedin
Fear and Loathing in Rotovegas
Forrest Crump
From Heretaunga to Eternity
Full Swandri Jacket
George of the Bush
Gone in Sexty Succonds
Gone With The WINZ
Goodbye, Mr Chups
Harry Potter and the Philospher’s Stoned
Hone I Shrunk the Kids
Last Of The Brohicans
Last Tango In Tarras
Levin Let Die
Lock, Stock And Two Smoking Bongs
Married to the Mongrel Mob
Men in Black Singlets
Mushion Impussible
North by North Westport
Poi Story
PsyKo (Lydia)
Rambro
Sophie’s Choice As
The Chronicles Of Naenae
The Day of the Jandal
The Foreshore-shank Redemption
The Godfather –> Dad’s Friend Daryl
The Hangi Games
The Lion Red King
The Mayor Who Shagged Me
The Paua of One
The Rocky Horowhenua Picture Show
The Silence of the Lamb Chops
There’s Something About Mary Wilson
To Have and Havelock
Twizelight
War of the Roses Chocolates
Westie Side Story
Wild Wild West Coast

Larger list
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March 16, 2014 11:31am
wat dabney

“The temperature of the troposphere generally decreases as altitude increases”

Er, Griff, this is both obvious and completely irrelevant.

The troposphere always has been and always will be cooler than the lower atmosphere, both because of its reduced pressure and because it is further from the Earth where light is converted into into heat.

What we are discussing are changes in temperature; the effects of global warming.

That the troposphere remains colder than the lower atmosphere under all scenarios is a given.

That you could so misunderstand this simple point is amazing, even for you.

So I repeat:

Enhanced warming of the troposphere is a fingerprint of the AGW theory.

Sceptics point out that there is no such enhanced warming, which disproves the AGW theory.

And now you are here strongly agreeing that there is no enhanced tropospheric warming (yet somehow imagining that by doing so you are supporting the AGW case.)
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March 16, 2014 11:33am
ShawnLH

Yes red, so would I. I have no doubt that we are most likely experiencing a period of extreme climate change. But AGW is a theory, and it is one that has political mileage. Scientists whose funding is dependent on promoting AGW can hardly be called objective, and the Green movement of course has nothing at all to gain politically from apocalyptic doomsday scenarios.

Yeah right.

And how many of these “scientists” Griff talks about have had to withdraw statements they made about the imminent effects of AGW because they could not be verified?
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March 16, 2014 11:33am
griffith

Shawn the difference between 95% and 100% is very small odds to bet humanity on

The IPCC is an independent international body set up by the worlds governments that has looked very carefully into the science and found 95% certainty.

The royal society and the national academy have just issued a joint statement.
http://royalsociety.org/policy/projects/climate-evidence-causes/

Climate change is one of the defining issues of our time. It is now more
certain than ever, based on many lines of evidence, that humans are
changing Earth’s climate. The atmosphere and oceans have warmed,
accompanied by sea-level rise, a strong decline in Arctic sea ice, and
other climate-related changes.

Do you think that the uncertainty is such that no action should be taken and on what research do you base this?
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March 16, 2014 11:39am
Dave Mann

I know that many people on this blog hate and ridicule Winston Peters, but I have just watched him being interviewed on The Nation by Patrick Gower and, my God, he looked good. He looks and talks more like a statesman than any of his peers and his position on power companies, asset ownership, superannuation and fishing are right-on. Discuss 😀
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March 16, 2014 11:40am
stephieboy

Christopher Monctkton : Climate Change Misinformer,

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Monckton_Myths_arg.htm
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March 16, 2014 11:42am
Dave Mann

…. by ‘discuss’ I mean ‘debate’ (if this is possible without resorting to abuse)
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March 16, 2014 11:43am
ShawnLH

Climate scientists withdraw journal claims of rising sea levels:

“Scientists have been forced to withdraw a study on projected sea level rise due to global warming after finding mistakes that undermined the findings.”

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/21/sea-level-geoscience-retract-siddall

IPCC officials admit mistake over melting Himalayan glaciers
Senior members of the UN’s climate science body admit a claim that Himalayan glaciers could melt away by 2035 was unfounded:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jan/20/ipcc-himalayan-glaciers-mistake

And here’s one for Griff,

Glacier scientist: I knew data hadn’t been verified

The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html

He admitted that the claims were made, without verification, to PUT POLITICAL PRESSURE ON WORLD LEADERS.

Oops 🙂
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March 16, 2014 11:43am
Fletch

Some have pointed out that Obama looks like the robot on the cover of Queen’s 1977 album, News Of The World.
It didn’t take long for a cartoonist to do a cartoon based on it –

http://www.cagle.com/2014/03/national-security-state/
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March 16, 2014 11:45am
Viking2

hj (5,569 comments) says:
March 16th, 2014 at 10:49 am

Viking2 (10,549 comments) says:
March 16th, 2014 at 10:06 am

Socialists attempt to change your housing perceptions.
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What is wrong with new urbanism? We have waste space between houses and garden is best concentrated where it is viewed from a window (not down a driveway). Also garages and driveways are a waste of space etc?
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Nothing new in urbanisation at all. Think Coronation St, a number of now flash area’s in Auckland (Ponsonby), Wellington Kilburnie etc.
Your communists all think you need to control others, what they do and how they live. People can decide for themselves and don’t need pratts like you or Smith or Oram nor Brown to tell them what the want.

calendar girl (1,099 comments) says:
March 16th, 2014 at 11:24 am

Viking2 (10,549 comments) says:
March 16th, 2014 at 10:06 am

Socialists attempt to change your housing perceptions.

Thanks for that interesting link, Viking. Perhaps socialist business journalist Rod Oram and Housing Minister Nick Smith would care to let us know the floor areas of their own principal places of residence. (Or are they advocating smaller homes just for everyone else?)

Those smaller houses featured are not “inexpensive” either, in relative terms, for that far out in the western suburbs:
– 40sqm home for $340,000; and
– 89sqm home for $485,000.
If somebody is not making a killing on the sale of the underlying land (is it Government-owned land?), then the builder is promoting a very handsome little earner for itself.

The prices are not true “market” prices, of course, given Government sponsorship and artificial promotion. Value (as opposed to prices) will ultimately be established by sales in the secondary market.
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quite right CG.

As for the price. Well there is someone making a killing.
Buy bigger size relocatable houses for way less when located on a section. Two bedroom relocatable I did recently with a big added covered deck cost me under $175K plus section costs. Happily sell it for their price.

Still communists must control our lives with rules and more rules etc.
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March 16, 2014 11:45am
Reid

But AGW is a theory, and it is one that has political mileage. Scientists whose funding is dependent on promoting AGW can hardly be called objective, and the Green movement of course has nothing at all to gain politically from apocalyptic doomsday scenarios.

And yet while other things like the war on tewwor have precisely the same dynamics attached to them, somehow the very same people who see all of these things in AGW see absolutely nothing of the very same things in things like the war on tewwor.

It’s almost as if you have one set of memes for the lefties and another set of memes for the conservatives but of course, that couldn’t possibli be, could it.

Why any such suggestion would be simply outrageous, the world doesn’t work like that, everyone knows that.
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March 16, 2014 11:46am
ShawnLH

Reid, there is a difference between debating science and funding issues, and claiming a global conspiracy of Jewish/Cabalistic/Illuminati and lizard people.
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March 16, 2014 11:48am
Longknives

News of the World was a great Queen album- aside from the obvious classics it had very underrated tracks like ‘It’s Late’ and ‘Sheer Heart Attack’…
(Can we stop debating Climate Change now?)
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March 16, 2014 11:49am
griffith

Wat before you engage in wingnuttery try checking your data series.

You and wingnut red tried to use rss to prove your wingnuttery not me It shows upper atmosphere cooling trend that increases the higher you go. This is evidence that the earth is radiating less energy into space. if the energy incoming is constant and the energy leaving is decreasing it gives only one result more energy retained. and before you go wingnut sun energy bullshit the sun’s energy has declined by a very small fraction which actual science has quantified it’s not enough to explain the energy imbalance.

RSS shows a greater cooling trend the higher you go in the atmosphere combined with the surface data showing increasing ground level temperatures. Its AGW or magic climate pixies you chose but for me I will stick to science..
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March 16, 2014 11:55am
ShawnLH

“(Can we stop debating Climate Change now?)”

Happily 🙂
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March 16, 2014 11:55am
Judith

@ Dave Mann (1,117 comments) says:
March 16th, 2014 at 11:40 am

I have to agree – despite my criticism of him in the past, I was suitably impressed with his strong performance too. That will appeal to many who are seeking an alternative to the normal dichotomy.

I can’t help but fear an ill fitting ‘jig saw puzzle’ government, but that appears to be what we will probably get. I hope if Winston is involved that his health enables him to remain a mighty force to keep everyone ‘honest’ (as honest as it gets in politics!)
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March 16, 2014 11:56am
hj

Diverse Auckland: Are we there yet?

jh, in reply to Sacha, 4 minutes ago

so you’re saying that some notion of “European” NZ is legitimate?

Yes.
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-diverse-auckland-are-we-there-yet/?p=307737#post307737
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March 16, 2014 11:58am
griffith

Run away from the game little wingnut because you are making an arse of yourself

You don’t have to engage but seeing as you have been hounding Reid for his moonbat ideas don’t you think yours should be held up to the light?
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March 16, 2014 12:01pm
ShawnLH

Why we should be concerned about authoritarian environmentalism:

Wyoming welder faces $75,000 a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/14/wyoming-welder-faces-fine-for-building-pond-on-his-own-property/?intcmp=latestnews
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March 16, 2014 12:01pm
ShawnLH

Griff, I think your wingnuttery should be held up to the light 🙂

Any response to this Griff?

Glacier scientist: I knew data hadn’t been verified

The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html

He admitted that the claims were made, without verification, to PUT POLITICAL PRESSURE ON WORLD LEADERS.

Pretending that AGW fundamentalists are above board and objective is making an arse of yourself 🙂
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March 16, 2014 12:03pm
stephieboy

Dear, Dear Rupert rants and tweets about Flight 370,

http://shanghaiist.com/2014/03/15/rupert-murdoch-mh370.php

Naturally from a pro Communist China perspective.

Hmmm..!
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March 16, 2014 12:06pm
ShawnLH

Take a music break!

From my fave musical act, Desiderii Marginis: The Ever Green Tree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_wkBwBDzY
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March 16, 2014 12:17pm
dime

UFC 171 on at 3pm today.

Great card!

Welterweight Johny Hendricks vs. Robbie Lawler – for the Welterweight title. im picking big rig hendricks. he lost a decision against the all time great GSP last time out (most people thought he won). GSP has vacated the belt. both these guys are knock out artists. Hendricks one punch power is insane. hes also a wicked wrestler.

Welterweight Carlos Condit vs. Tyron Woodley

Condit is one of dimes favourite fighters. i think he will be champ by the end of the year. Tyron is a beast of a wrestler and has power. potential fight of the night.

Lightweight Diego Sanchez vs. Myles Jury

I hate Sanchez but he puts on awesome fights. his last fight reminded me of a rocky movie.

Welterweight Jake Shields vs. Hector Lombard

Shields is a BJJ guy. usually boring. But hes fighting Lombard who just knocks people out and is hard to take down. should be an interesting fight. Lombard being a cuban who the australians claim as their own. cause they are desperate fucks. the guy barely speaks english

If youre only buying a couple of cards this year, make sure this is one of them.

only $24.99 and you get a great afternoon of sport and you get to know that pete george disapproves.
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March 16, 2014 12:19pm
ShawnLH

Damn, that does look like a good lineup Dime.

Why does Pete George disapprove?
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March 16, 2014 12:21pm
Harriet

Well I suppose with the pissing poor weather in NZ everybody could then be excused for not suggesting that the sun is a valid reason for ‘varients’ in the earth’s temprature.
Blindingly obvious really – if you happen that is, to feel it’s beautiful warmth and rays all day long. Like here in QLD. 😎
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March 16, 2014 12:21pm
wikiriwhis business

“Seinfield criticised for lack of D.”

Seinfeld was actually involved with a native Amercan woman for many years.

He included Native Americans on his show. Something blacks themselves don’t do.
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March 16, 2014 12:22pm
dime

“Why does Pete George disapprove?”

because its a fighting sport. Havent we evolved? blah blah blah

awesome card. cant wait.

the last free fight of the day is a good one too.
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March 16, 2014 12:23pm
ShawnLH

“because its a fighting sport. Havent we evolved? blah blah blah”

Oh. Silly man 🙂
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March 16, 2014 12:24pm
Dave Mann

@ShawnLH that video reminds me of something I read about one of the Scandinavian countries’ new TV fads, where they document something like a cruise liner for hours travelling up a fjord…. lol. I think the genre is called ‘slow tv’. Did you hear or read about this too?
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March 16, 2014 12:25pm
dime

i watched the seinfeld interview. the dopes showed clips from 3 different shows.. guests were louis ck, tina unfunny fey and chris rock! 1 out of 3 black..
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March 16, 2014 12:25pm
wikiriwhis business

“UFC 171 on at 3pm today.

Great card!

“I can only say the naysayers and one trick pony acusers of the great Ronda Rousey have been put to sleep permanently.

Also, she finds it hard to encourage sparring partners. women have to be bought in from Mexico. Dana White has footage showing her knock them all out.

She has the charisma of Bruce Lee and Ali and is acknowledged the greatest female martial artist in the world today.
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March 16, 2014 12:27pm
griffith

David Rose

A blogger from the denial sphere

And a winner too

http://planet3.org/2013/01/06/the-2012-golden-horseshoe-award-david-rose-of-the-daily-mail/

THE GOLDEN HORSESHOE

The most brazenly damaging and malign Bad Science of 2013

WINNER – David Rose and the Daily Mail

CLAIM – There is no recent sign of global warming (twice!)

REBUTTAL

Amazingly, though the first such claim was solidly rebutted by no leass than the UK Met Office in January essentially the same claim was made in October!

As I said lets see who goes with the blog sites and wingnuttery and discounts the actual science type guys. This is one of the signs of a conspirowhacky wingnut.

Rose is not an authority he is a anti science blogger and has been caught bullshiting that often he smells like shit.

If you get your science information from the daily mail you really are a whackjob. rrofl

This is fun any other non entities you are going to quote as authority’s on science
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March 16, 2014 12:30pm
Longknives

I know UFC is ‘Trendy’ right now but I still love the Sweet Science- I could spend hours on You Tube watching old Ali, Marciano, Louis, Ray Leonard or Tyson fights..

And Tina Fey is about as funny as a fart in a phone booth. Saturday Night Live used to be groundbreaking comedy- now it is simply a load of leftie wannabes gushing over their hero Obama…
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March 16, 2014 12:36pm
Scott Chris

What is wrong with new urbanism? We have waste space between houses and garden is best concentrated where it is viewed from a window (not down a driveway). Also garages and driveways are a waste of space etc?

I’m with you on this one hj. Perhaps if people owned smaller houses they’d be forced to be more selective as to which pieces of useless junk they want to clutter their houses with.
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March 16, 2014 12:45pm
dime

longknives – theres obviously a place for both sports.

its just a shame boxing is so corrupt and you rarely get to see the best fighting the best.

dana white from the ufc has been flirting with boxing. he had a boxing show for a while. it would be good to see boxing have a reassurance.

wiki- i fucking cant stand womens MMA and i hate that piece of trash rousey 🙂 the charisma or ali? bahahaha shes an emotionally stunted brat. watch the season of the ultimate fighter she did. she lost a lot of fans.
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March 16, 2014 12:48pm
wikiriwhis business

Reason: Oh my god, it’s another tall poppy

Ernest Rutherford split the atom, he mentored 11 Nobel prizewinners, he fostered equal rights for women at Cambridge and found homes for displaced Jewish scholars in the early 30s. He was a big man, a loud man, a man of rages.

Einstein called him the second Isaac Newton.

New Zealand calls him one of their own, just another Ern who was pretty good at physics.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/9833300/Reason-Oh-my-god-its-another-tall-poppy

This is the thinking with Kiwi’s and why I’m proud to be a Kiwi. We’re so humble.

we split the atom , climb the highest mountain, help win wars then go back to what we really want to do….watch Shorty St.

I actually know someone who’s watched every episode since th ebeginning bar one. And he’s a black belt Tae Kwon Do instructor who had the privilige of meeting his idol a Tae Kwon Do master.

so I think I’m pretty on the button about this Shorty St business
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March 16, 2014 12:52pm
Reid

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/03/15/nr-quest-incident-started-before-final-message.cnn.html

Radio transmission after ACARS was switched off. So who made that – the pilot or someone else who was sitting in his seat?
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March 16, 2014 12:56pm
wikiriwhis business

“watch the season of the ultimate fighter she did. she lost a lot of fans.”

Her youthful immaturity surely comes through. But her fighting prowess which made her the international champion also surely comes thru. She’s the first to admit she’s a bitch. Personally, I wouldn’t want to meet her. Maybe when she’s older.

We love Sarah McMann cause she’s an old spirit but as a wrestling champion even she bows to the immense presence of Rousey. There is no doubt Rousey will achieve what she claims…that she will retire undefeated. she looked down the camera when she said that and took my breath away. And that was before the McMann fight.

I will say I’m glad the Meisha Taite era is over. That whole affair was just excruciating.
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March 16, 2014 1:00pm
OneTrack

judith – “a mighty force to keep everyone ‘honest’ ”

NO?
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March 16, 2014 1:01pm
Viking2

http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/q-norman-vs-english.html

A snap shot of NZ.

Have to say that there is a lot of truth here.
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March 16, 2014 1:03pm
dime

wiki – she fights in the chicks division. they have about 12 fighters.

she has this judo which is dominant as, yet in the blokes division judo is shit. cause they guys are far more skilled.

its like youre in love with the flyhalf for the nz womens rugby team cause shes so awesome. who gives a crap. shes a chick rugby player.

the ufc promote the hell out of her cause it gets them mainstream press. pisses me off.

then i see her pop up on pound for pound lists. how the fuck can a chick be on a pound for pound list? cause im pretty sure rousey v barao @ 135 pounds would end up in her death.

in summary – dime hates all chick sports.
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March 16, 2014 1:06pm
dime

“There is no doubt Rousey will achieve what she claims…that she will retire undefeated”

proof at how weak the division is if that happens. even GSP, Silva, Fedor lost at some point..
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March 16, 2014 1:07pm
dime

jesus wiki – a mark reason article? he’s stuffs answer to chris rathole or whatever he’s called. wish i hadn’t have clicked the link to help his hits.
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March 16, 2014 1:11pm
Reid

http://rt.com/news/un-resolution-crimea-referendum-118/

Russia vetoes UN resolution against the Crimean vote while China abstains.

Of course they did.

Only galloping mentals in the West who think the Ukraine puppet govt installed by the West is legitimate, could object. And they will, because they’re idiots. And as the West goes to hell in a handcart bought about entirely by their own perfidy, the same mentals will turn around and become all angry at Russia for simply defending itself against the neocon offensive.

Crimea isn’t Gaza, as the West will find out to its detriment.
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March 16, 2014 1:15pm
dime

socialist obama is now a neocon?
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March 16, 2014 1:20pm
ShawnLH

” at Russia for simply defending itself against the neocon offensive.”

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……..

If you try really really hard I’m sure you could climb up Putin’s ass just a little more 🙂
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March 16, 2014 1:35pm
cha

An article on what it’s really like to work for Kremlin propaganda outlet Russia Today.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/how-the-truth-is-made-at-russia-today
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March 16, 2014 1:38pm
Harriet

“…..An article on what it’s really like to work for Kremlin propaganda outlet Russia Today….”

……and Washington…….
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March 16, 2014 1:41pm
cha

Just like faux news harry-it.
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March 16, 2014 1:42pm
cha

Fuck it, I’m going to get into this evangelical megachurch scam.

Some $600,000 in cash and check donations were stolen this week from Lakewood Church in Houston, according to the city’s police department.

Incredibly, all of the money was from one weekend’s donations, the church says. For many American churches, $600,000 in tithes would be a good month or even year.

The church, which is pastored by bestselling author and preacher Joel Osteen, told congregants the stolen money came from contributions on March 8 and 9.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/14/600000-stolen-from-joel-osteens-megachurch/
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