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UglyTruth

Reid, the most probable motive IMO is extraordinary rendition of Freescale people. Freescale is involved in the production of defence tech and has production facilities in China. Freescale is owned by Blackstone, which is linked to Jacob Rothschild.

Reportedly 20 Freescale staff were on the flight, and Diego Garcia has a history of involvement in extraordinary rendition and facilities to handle a 777.
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March 15, 2014 6:27pm
cha

http://www.erikrush.com/shows/092413.mp3

edit: obligatory
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March 15, 2014 6:31pm
Reid

Yeah I read about Freescale early on but didn’t follow it up. You could be right. DG is definitely spooky.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-plane-mh370-latest-conspiracy-theory-were-freescale-semiconductor-top-employees-1440097
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March 15, 2014 6:32pm
SPC

“People who say they are Jews and yet are not”.

If this line was true in the first century CE/AD and also true in the twenty first century CE/AD, what is the common meaning?

Jewish law has it that to be Jewish one either had a Jewish mother or were of the Jewish religion (including converts rather than sons of a Jewish father raised in their fathers religion).

In the first C CE/AD, Greeks were being converted to the faith of the synagogue (and this required the Greek males to be circumcised) and also into the Christian Church (which did not require circumcision but baptism). Paul wrote of those of the circumcision faction who sought to have Gentiles circumcised. He called them immoral dogs because they sought a sign of the flesh to mark conversion of Gentiles. This is one timeless meaning.

Khazars became Jews so they could be seen as independent/neutral arbiters of trade between Christians and Moslems, their polity is the same as advocated for Ukraine as a state neutral between secular West and Christian East in trading gas across its territory.

Most Ashkenazi Jews do not have indications of Khazar ancestry. Confusing the two is of an attempt to delegitimise the Jewish identity of Ashkenazi Jews. So those who hated them could say they did not belong in Christian Europe nor belong in a Semitic ME.
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March 15, 2014 6:38pm
Reid

Reid, is there a conspiracy theory anywhere that you’re not an adherent to? Seriously mate, and that whole “well you dont know what I know attitude”…, is just so tiresome.

I don’t know Grant, what do you know about them? As far as tiresome goes, how tiresome do you think it is to be told by people who don’t know what they’re talking about that you don’t know what you’re talking about? Do you think that might be tiresome?

The only reason I voice this stuff is when things are happening like Ukraine and Syria I think people need to know why and it’s not what they think and sometimes you need to give context because it’s all connected. I recognise they don’t think they want to know, but when the bullets start flying, I personally think it would be good for them to know why, even in the superficial terms able to be communicated in blog posts.
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March 15, 2014 6:38pm
mikenmild

Ugly seems to give crazy a whole new meaning. Beyond normal Kiwiblog crazy and beyond even Reid crazy. Isn’t it awesome to see?
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March 15, 2014 6:40pm
Grant

Hi Reid. Slight fact check mate.
You only think you know what you’re talking about.
Perhaps the reason people tell you you’re talking a load of bollocks is because you really really are doing just that.
G
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March 15, 2014 6:42pm
UglyTruth

So what’s your explanation for the disappearance of flight 370, mikenmild?
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March 15, 2014 6:43pm
Reid

Most Ashkenazi Jews do not have indications of Khazar ancestry.

http://truthtellers.org/alerts/The-Story-of-the-Khazars.html

http://truthtellers.org/alerts/Are-Jews-Really-Khazars.html

You only think you know what you’re talking about.

As do you I’m sure Grant. So what’s the diff between you and I? The popularity of your perspective? Does that give you reassurance? Ever considered it might be the same mentality shared by the majority of people in Europe in the early thirties?
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March 15, 2014 6:46pm
mikenmild

Well Ugly, I’m just content to wait until the wreckage is discovered. I don’t need to invent any ludicrous theories.
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March 15, 2014 6:52pm
Steve (North Shore)

I just found a real neat image sent to me by email.
The Fern is not just sport; it is on the headstones of the fallen way back in WW1. It does not have pink, orange, green, or yellow, that is just so gay.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0v2hd4u668tupjh/NZ%20Flag.jpg
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March 15, 2014 6:55pm
mikenmild

That would be quite a cool flag Steve.
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March 15, 2014 6:56pm
Grant

The difference between you and I is quite simply that you appear to take simple events and extrapolate the hell out of them. For my part, for what that’s the worth, 54 years on this planet has taught me that the simplest explanation for any given event is generally the most accurate.
I don’t give a rat’s arse whether my perspective is popular or not, but then again Reid, popular does not always mean wrong.

As to your last paragraph, and from what I’ve read from you, your attitude regarding Jewish people was certainly popular amongst a select group in the early thirties, so no reassurance there.
G
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March 15, 2014 6:57pm
cha

It’s a version of Kyle Lockwoods flag.
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March 15, 2014 7:01pm
mikenmild

Grant
Cut up Reid with that Occam’s razor.
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March 15, 2014 7:01pm
SPC

Reid, and your links demonstrate what? An inclusion of some of the Khazars (there is no evidence that the whole Khazar population converted to Judaism) as Jews does not make them the dominant factor in Ashkenazi genetics. Inter-marriage amongst Jews would spread the Khazar DNA around a bit but not turn Jews into another population entirely. Genetic research does indicate non Semitic DNA amongst Ashkenazi Jews, but no exclusive source. And the existence of Semitic DNA in common with Sephardim/Mizrahi Jews is also evidenced. And this ancestral DNA is also spread by inter-marriage amongst Jews.

Can you show any genetic research that can even identify Khazar DNA?
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March 15, 2014 7:03pm
mikenmild

But nicer cha.
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March 15, 2014 7:03pm
cha

Indeed it is mike.

Looks like there’s another tough year ahead for Worriers fans too,
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March 15, 2014 7:05pm
Reid

The difference between you and I is quite simply that you appear to take simple events and extrapolate the hell out of them.

Which simply illustrates the point. The difference between you and I Grant is you have only one worldview to draw upon when interpreting events, I have two.

The first I share with you since it’s what I had before 2002, that of the US and the West being the good guys and fighting the good wars etc and so forth. I still have that worldview but since 911 was such a searing event I made it my business to understand it and it lifts the veil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUPwisySGC8
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March 15, 2014 7:07pm
bhudson

Reid never ascribes to his own stupidity that which he can explain with fantastic conspiracy.
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March 15, 2014 7:10pm
Grant

And of course, both of yours are correct Reid? Sounds like a bob each way to me.

You keep it up mate. I. for one, am fascinated. G
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March 15, 2014 7:13pm
mikenmild

Sounds like Reid had a road to Damascus experience after 9/11 and now sees conspiracies behind everything.
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March 15, 2014 7:22pm
Manolo

More hope and change, read corruption,: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/13/fbi-blocked-in-corruption-probe-involving-sens-rei/
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March 15, 2014 7:26pm
Reid

And of course, both of yours are correct Reid? Sounds like a bob each way to me.

Who knows. When we die we’ll know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI9fS8Y-fww
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March 15, 2014 7:37pm
Harriet

“…….According to the latest information (and keeping in mind that contradictory information has been provided throughout), the plane remained airborne for hours after its two cockpit-controlled transponder systems were turned off, 15 minutes apart. This would seem to indicate the airplane was intentionally flown somewhere, and perhaps landed at a secret location.

My initial assumption was that this was impossible, given the need for a modern airstrip with instrumentation for a night landing of a heavy airliner. But last night on Fox News, a 777 pilot indicated that he could have landed the plane at an unused airstrip as short as 3500 feet, and that thanks to portable GPS systems, no ground beacons or other instrumentation would be necessary for even a night landing. Taking off would require a longer airstrip, of course. But suddenly, the prospect of an rogue airliner smashing into a skyscraper or loaded with a NUCLEAR WEAPON and flown to a major city for detonation by a suicide crew becomes more than an idle fantasy.

But of course, there would see, to be little need to hijack an airliner for such a mission. There are hundreds of aging 747s, DC 10s, L-1011s, and other airliners parked in airliner graveyards. I have read accounts of drug smugglers acquiring and using such planes.

The fate of the jumbo jet and the two hundred thirty-nine souls aboard remains a deep mystery. And anti-terrorism authorities around the world have got a lot more worries on their minds….” 😎
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March 15, 2014 7:42pm
nasska

Breaking News:

Police in South Auckland just announced the discovery of an arms cache of 2000 semi automatic rifles with 250,000 rounds of ammunition, 10 anti-tank missiles, 4 grenade launchers, 500Kg of P , $50 million in forged NZ banknotes and 25 trafficked Thai prostitutes all in a state house unit behind the Public Library in Otara.

Local residents were stunned.

A community spokesman said:
“We’re totally shocked. We never knew we had a fucking Library!!”
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March 15, 2014 8:00pm
Harriet

Hahahahahah 😎
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March 15, 2014 8:02pm
Harriet

Judith (5,180 comments) says:
March 15th, 2014 at 10:24 am
@ Harriet

I thought you might be interested in this list of about 50% of the Doctoral Citation List for a major New Zealand University for 2013. (The full list is publicly available so there is no breach of privacy).

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I think you mean someone else – unless you were taking the piss – but I can’t seem to work that out.Thanks anyway.
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March 15, 2014 8:09pm
cha

Some pictures.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Biv7L9JIcAA8U5r.jpg:large

http://rrx.ca/radiusmap.gif
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March 15, 2014 8:09pm
NoCash

So the MH370 was hijacked… now the question is has it been landed or crashed?
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March 15, 2014 8:33pm
SPC

Hijacked by who and why?

If terrorism why has nothing been said? Or has it been said but censored (such as if it was by Moslems against China).
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March 15, 2014 8:40pm
NoCash

One theory is that the plane is to be repurposed.

Unfortunately my conspiracy theorist hat didn’t come with a crystal ball.
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March 15, 2014 8:46pm
Harriet

I believe it has crashed………..but I wouldn’t discount North Korea’s involvement. I’m not saying it is involved but it is in the region.
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March 15, 2014 8:50pm
Steve (North Shore)

Harry,
It is John Key’s fault, just admit it
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March 15, 2014 9:00pm
cha

http://youtu.be/HlYzU0kAVSk
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March 15, 2014 9:07pm
Longknives

Amazing how many people simply refuse to believe the blindingly obvious regarding the missing flight…
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March 15, 2014 9:08pm
Ed Snack

Plane Crazy ! Confirmed by Malaysian PM, MH 370 hijacked (or taken over by pilot/pilots) and flown either deep in the Indian Ocean or North-West possibly as far as Kazakhstan. Bloody hell, all the details about the SATCOM handshakes now confirmed, and although not revealed how they know, it is also accepted that the Transponder and ACARS systems were turned off separately and deliberately between 1:07 and 1:22 am.

That data now indicates that the aircraft was tracked to a point off Phuket towards the Andamans, but after that the available data gives two possible location solutions at 90 degrees to each other. One heads SW and ends in the Indian Ocean off West Australia (but well offshore, probably over 1,000 km and outside Australian OTH radar), the other NW and up through Indian airspace to as far as Kazakhstan or Turkmenistan. This second option is thought less likely as it seems very unlikely that the Indian air defence radars would fail to spot the T7 at some point; it’s hardly a stealth aircraft. Going SW also possibly goes through Indonesian airspace, but it is quite possible that they don’t pay a lot of attention to the empty ocean facing sector off North West Sumatra.

Why the aircraft was commandeered is unknown and there’s no sensible suggestions other than some sort of elaborate suicide attempt from the Pilot, but even that seems rather thin given the extraordinary effort involved. Also, how was the cabin crew subdued and the passengers kept quiet ? Although the wild altitude gyrations apparent from the Ping data can be taken with loads of salt (there’s a lot of inaccuracy in the measuring methods over short time scales) it is possible that the aircraft was deliberately taken high to induce rapid anoxic unconsciousness in the passengers, though this seems a strange way to achieve long term quietness without killing most of the passengers (passenger oxygen masks won’t work at that height). So a hijack probably, by whom and for what, bizarre.

Most likely crash location does seem to be off West Australia, the Indian Ocean at that point is very deep, very empty, and a huge area to search. Was it the intention to make the aircraft impossible to find ? The alternatives are a successful penetration to the North West that would fit better with some hijack mission, may with further course corrections through, say, Thai territory but to where, and surely the Indians would see something; OR, just vaguely possible now aft every one has accepted the ping data, that it is all erroneous and the aircraft crashed elsewhere.

I’d have to go with the “deep in the Indian Ocean” option for now, but I have to admit bafflement as to motive as well as a host of other details.

Sorry BTW for no earlier updates as I’ve been on site “off site” all day without my usual access to sites to keep track of what’s new.
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March 15, 2014 9:13pm
dime

if the pilot wanted to top himself.. he just waits for the other pilot to take a piss and flips the plane upside down. done.

this has got the religion of peace written all over it
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March 15, 2014 9:15pm
Ed Snack

Dime, and others, maybe, but normally such actions are accompanied by fervent invocations to the relevant deity and prophets. There’s nothing of that sort obvious here, and I recall from earlier that apparently (and unusually for Malaysia) the chief pilot was essentially atheistic.

I admit bafflement, we really will have to wait for further info; if a hijack by Islamic extremists one would expect some more demonstrative actions, messages, attack a symbolic target maybe, what ever. This complete silence doesn’t seem to suggest a political motive.

And it seems very unlikely still that the aircraft could have landed anywhere without being noticed. The SATCOM location data does seem reasonably well defined apart from the dual solution problem, so it does seem less likely that the aircraft is far from one of those tracks, so only a landing in India, or a stealth transit of India somehow ?

I’m going to wait for new information before jumping to conclusions, I’ve been reasonably good at teasing out the relevant data in this whole case, but now, no idea.
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March 15, 2014 9:25pm
Harriet

“….One heads SW and ends in the Indian Ocean off West Australia (but well offshore, probably over 1,000 km and outside Australian OTH radar),…”

If it had turned than it could have landed in Aus, and in my earlier post it is reported you don’t need navigation systems to land – just people with GPS’s – and 3500ft – which is certainly available in WA Aus.

Maybe boat people – onboard a plane 😎 – not unreasonable as Malayasia is also a point at which boat people do enter and leave for Aus. I’m not saying it was boat people themselves hi-jcking the plane, but rather a political stunt buy a nutcase pilot who was previously told that ME passport holding aslyum seekers were on board.

It would not be the first time that asylum seeker traffickers have tried to ambarras the Australian government.
But this would be a whole new level – and fucken dangerous!
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March 15, 2014 9:35pm
cha

Go by Diego Garcia, the Fifth Fleet and dozen a or more international airports without being seen?.

http://www.mapsofindia.com/air-network/international-airport-map.htm

https://sites.google.com/site/cxnets/2km_cloud_free.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Fifth_Fleet
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March 15, 2014 9:35pm
griffith

Thanks for the effort.
extremists
Dont forget that the IRA, saffron, eta, Tmmy Mcv clones and various other nutwhack extremists are out there.

Personally I am leaning towards a loony or two with weapon has managed to gain the flight deck intimidated a crewman enough to make him disable the hard ware and its flown till the gas goes. splash. The floating bits will wash up.
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March 15, 2014 9:39pm
Nostradamus

Ben Stokes is a good sport (not):.

Ben Stokes has been ruled out of the World T20 after breaking his wrist when he punched a locker in the dressing room following his dismissal in the final T20 against West Indies.
…
Stokes was dismissed first ball in the third T20, bowled by Krishmar Santokie, and the injury occurred a short while later in the dressing room.

“I am really disappointed to be missing out on going to a World T20 with England,” Stokes said. “It was a huge error in judgement following a frustrating tour for me and I deeply regret my behaviour. I would like to wish the team all the very best in Bangladesh.”

Let me guess: now that he’s missing out on the World T20, he’ll break his other wrist…
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March 15, 2014 9:53pm
NoCash

CNN suggests that the flight path since the disappearance / diversion was programmed onto the flight management system (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/14/opinion/goyer-malaysia-flight/index.html?hpt=hp_c3), so it’s likely that one or two of the pilots was involved.

Btw, remember the report about some relatives were able to call the passengers’ cellphones after the plane had been announced missing. How does that fit into the latest development now?
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March 15, 2014 9:59pm
Nostradamus

What do Big Bruv and Harriet make of this, I wonder?

Ballymore hosts gay rugby tournament
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But on Saturday, the Ballymore Stadium in Brisbane has opened its doors to the Purchas Cup, an Australian gay rugby championship.
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“By supporting us it sends the message that they agree that being gay does not mean you aren’t tough and you can’t play rugby,” he said.

In August the World Cup of Gay Rugby, the Bingham Cup, will be held in Sydney.

Whoever knew?
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March 15, 2014 10:08pm
Ed Snack

It does seem unlikely that an experienced pilot was NOT involved, I don’t think it would be easy to intimidate a pilot to carry out all the actions that seem to have been, without considerable technical knowledge and skill. So I’m inclined to the view that either one or more of the pilots was involved, or a relatively experienced T7 jockey was aboard and involved.

Cha, I don’t think the proposed SW course goes close enough to DG to be seen, and unless there were ships deployed out SE from DG this flight was headed into unsurveilled airspace.

I agree that NE is a better fit with a Hijack scenario, but I still hold the view that it would be essentially near impossible to penetrate Indian airspace to get to one of the ‘Stan’s. There isn’t the range to go around either. I would rate the Indian military above the Malaysian generally, and the Malaysians did “see” MH 370 as it transited in silent mode apparently trying to avoid as much radar as possible. So I’d bet that the Indians would have seen and reacted at the time, especially as the flight neared the sensitive airspace around Kashmir or the Chinese frontier.

Thus I still think SW is the way to look, for debris/remains and it was one sort of elaborate suicide or demonstration of something. But I don’t attach a lot of faith to that, it’s just in the “currently most probable” basket with what information we currently have.
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March 15, 2014 10:08pm
Nostradamus

Ed Snack:

Thanks for your regular analysis – I’ve been following it closely with great interest.

Have you reflected further on the Mike McKay angle? I note this article, for example, which appears to verify the authenticity of his email:

US ABC News anchor Bob Woodruff confirmed he spoke with Richard Beaton at Japanese Idemitsu Oil & Gas Co, who hired Songa Mercur to drill, and confirms Mr McKay’s email is real.

Just wondering what you make of McKay’s observations.
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March 15, 2014 10:14pm
RichardX

Reid (15,141 comments) says:
March 15th, 2014 at 6:20 pm
It was my interpretation that you could not provide the specific information requested and so back tracked from your original statement to provide yourself more wriggle room
Richard all I asked you for was what I originally said. This is because I recall I said that Chicago was a possibility, not a certainty, and I wanted my own words to confirm that.
But you didn’t do that. What I said the other day is precisely what I thought I originally said about Chicago. Which you misinterpreted as something far more equivocal than what I meant.
Sorry for being unreasonable, but since you bought it up weeks after I made the original comment and since my current understanding is that you are the one who is mistaken, in my mind the onus is on you to give us all the answer.
I have never shared any worldview with you other than an insistence on credible evidence.
“Credible” is subjective and depends on worldview. Was JFK killed by Oswald acting alone? Yes or no? If no, then what does that tell you?

Now you are just being pathetic
Do I really have to repost the various comments you have made on your claim of a pending nuclear detonation in Chicago???
In General Debate on 7 March 2014

Reid (15,141 comments) says:
March 7th, 2014 at 8:28 pm
That’s what red-pill partakers see all the time, which completely pass you others by, and of course, it looks like pure fantasy if you start with something like 911 which is like advanced physics in red pill-blue pill terms, but have a look at that video and see if you can’t see that what the Judge says isn’t what happens. And recognise that’s part of the same world that begat 911, Iraq WMDs, Syria, Ukraine, Venezuela, the pending nuclear detonation in Chicago, EU immigration policy, the UN, climate change, etc, etc, etc.

No equivocation in that assertion, no mention of possibility.
As I know you have comprehensions issues, let me be very clear. And recognise that’s part of the same world that begat 911, Iraq WMDs, Syria, Ukraine, Venezuela, the pending nuclear detonation in Chicago, EU immigration policy, the UN, climate change, etc, etc, etc.

I asked for clarification of this comment on 8 March

RichardX (236 comments) says:
March 8th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
Reid (15,078comments) says:
March7th,2014at 8:28 pm
… the pending nuclear detonation in Chicago, …
Care to elaborate on this ”pending nuclear detonation in Chicago”?
It sounds like a falsifiable claim to me

I asked again on the 12th

RichardX (236 comments) says:
March 12th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
Reid (15,100 comments) says:
March 12th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
Only when they’re there griff. Last time I mentioned lizard men was when? And how do you know I wasn’t joking? But some of you seem to hallucinate that’s all I talk about, ever. You need to start listening and do your own research, lest you be continually surprised at current events.

Any further word on the “pending nuclear detonation in Chicago”?

You finally did respond on 14 March when because I did call you on making such a specific falsifiable claim and that is when you waffled on about a non-specific event in a non-specific place at a non-specific time
Are you saying you were mistaken in your earlier assertion or in your later clarification because you can’t be correct in both instances
Yet you still you think you are credible
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March 15, 2014 10:21pm
NoCash

@Nostradamus – He might have seen a meteor.
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March 15, 2014 10:22pm
Don the Kiwi

Ed snack.

I concur with your conclusions. I have thought for a couple of days now that this is air piracy – that one of the pilots was in on it, or a passenger was an experienced long haul jumbo pilot. Motive though is baffling, without any group claiming credit. My thoughts are that they headed NW, Burma or over Bangladesh and into the ‘Stan just west of Tibet – but why, who knows. Ransom for some jihadist funds?
But it is possible that it has crashed somewhere – something went wrong people wise, or incorrectly estimated fuel range – dunno.
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March 15, 2014 10:46pm
Ed Snack

Nostradamus, I believe from the line of sight and distance alone what McKay saw was not MH 370, he was something like 400 km away from where the aircraft was at the conjectured time that any major incident must have occurred if that is the explanation. That is, if there was a serious incident involving a fire it almost certainly would have happened when or close to when the Transponder and other systems went offline, and McKay could not have seen anything at that distance, and let’s give him superhuman eyesight, then at best MH 370 would have been very low down to the horizon at that distance.

So he saw something and in good faith reported it, but most probably a bolide (flaming meteorite).

Of course now with the Malaysian PM’s announcement I think just about everyone accepts that MH 370 turned around and headed back across Malaysia at that point anyway.

And a correction, the distance from West Australia for the possible flight track is 1,000 MILES, not km, so 1,800 km off shore and way outside radar. Very deep, very wild, very hard to find anything easily. They have 21 more days of sonar pings from the black box to listen for.
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March 15, 2014 10:54pm
NoCash

Just watched Fox News… and one theory for no claims from terrorist groups so far is that it could be a test run to fish out the capabilities of the govts, in particular the US intelligence agencies, which have shown the world what they’re capable of.
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March 15, 2014 11:00pm
Reid

You finally did respond on 14 March when because I did call you on making such a specific falsifiable claim and that is when you waffled on about a non-specific event in a non-specific place at a non-specific time

Actually Richard I wondered if you were referring to the first time I mentioned it:

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/08/washington_dc.html#comment-1181587

Because, duh, he and the other signatories knew that this is the danger and the propensity. And now that it’s almost too late, still most of you appear quite unaware. Why? Are you waiting for them to declare martial law and suspend those mighty words after say, a nuclear detonation in Chicago, before you say something? Or would you think that even then, it was the tewwowists who dun it?

As I know you have comprehension issues, let me be very clear. And recognise my comment you refer to was at the end of a relatively long post which I reproduce below in full. I don’t know what you’re like when you’re typing but personally I’m fluent and just dash it off and click Submit. Possibly I should have used the word “possible” instead of “pending” but frankly it was one word at the very end of all of those other words.

I noticed you have come at it several times since last week and I’ve wondered why. My conclusion is once again you’re doing what most do when faced with things they find hurts their tummies, they pick one word or one concept out of the entirety and focus on it like a little cross-bred Chihuahua Terrier and can’t seem to drop it. Thanks for proving the point Richard, I do apologise for getting the one word wrong, please remember to remember everything I say in future so you can cross-refer everything against the first instance I raise it, as it may help avoid you running into Chihuahua Terrier mode again. I suppose I should be flattered that you care so much about what I say you can’t wait to prove me wrong, I do hope this post doesn’t make you turn purple.

matched by others with a predisposition to believing in them a little too readily.

You’ve made that allegation about me quite a few times SPC yet you’ve never met me, you have no idea what I believe, you have no idea why I believe it, and I cannot possibly share even a small fraction of that over a blog site or even in a full day’s face-to-face discussion with you.

So forgive me for dismissing your diagnosis of me with respect to possessing that propensity.

I think one thing many blue-pill partakers fail to appreciate is that none of we who chose the red pill regard the world thus revealed as in any way pleasant or desirable. But rather than continue to operate in a fools paradise we’d rather be informed of the true ugliness and when we are so informed, many of us feel a duty to tell others about it. The proliferation of this material is growing all the time as more and more see the coherence and the machinations behind the current events, which all tie together. Ukraine is not what it seems and the way to know that is to know the same material that gives you the 911 story. EAD posted a video at 10.54 which is another dimension of the same illusion, and the blue-pillers didn’t like it and marked it down, even though anyone with eyes can see every single point made in that video is actual reality in US politics.

That’s what red-pill partakers see all the time, which completely pass you others by, and of course, it looks like pure fantasy if you start with something like 911 which is like advanced physics in red pill-blue pill terms, but have a look at that video and see if you can’t see that what the Judge says isn’t what happens. And recognise that’s part of the same world that begat 911, Iraq WMDs, Syria, Ukraine, Venezuela, the pending nuclear detonation in Chicago, EU immigration policy, the UN, climate change, etc, etc, etc.
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March 15, 2014 11:02pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Yeah, I’m sure somebody would want to test out a ‘capability’ by highlighting it.
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March 15, 2014 11:03pm
Ed Snack

Actually I’d like to expand on McKay’s case just a little with respect to this whole case. There’s been a huge amount of comment and speculation on the MH 370 affair, and much of it irritatingly mis-directed. It hasn’t been necessarily easy to follow all the twisting threads, but if certain guidelines were followed, then some “facts” had weight and others could be discarded.

McKay’s observation, potentially very useful and informative. So first steps, verification, and it turns out he’s a reputable source at least initially. Next, where and when. He’s on an oil rig, off Vietnam, situated roughly on the same latitude as Ho Chi Minh City, good, clearly placed. When, no time in his email as I recall, but let’s estimate. If he saw the results of a catastrophic accident (and a visible fire on an aircraft is pretty catastrophic) then it must presumably be related to the incident on MH 370 that presumably caused the first known symptoms, the cutting off of the transponder and the loss of contact. How long after could we expect the aircraft to fly….that’s not very certain but not too long, and also cross check, at what point would it start to register on. Vietnamese air defence radar. That gives us reasonable idea as it didn’t show up significantly to the Vietnamese (they reported seeing it, just briefly) and we have a reasonable idea that they can “see” pretty close to the Malaysian mainland. So the aircraft is close to where contact was lost.

Following that rational analysis, where would McKay sight MH 370 at around then. The answer as above, granted effective superhuman eyesight and assuming he’s standing on top of the rig’s derrick, right down low on the horizon because of the earth’s curvature if at all. Where did he describe it ? As up high in the sky. Logically then, what he saw was NOT MH 370.

And yet up until today when general acceptance of the hijack and fly West scenario was settled by the Malaysian PM’s statement, numerous people were inventing scenarios based on catastrophic accident backed up by McKay’s sighting. Whereas with just a little analysis, it took me a short while to sort out the broad details above, one can conclude that McKay did not sight MH 370.

By contrast, the “ping” data was widely doubted by some. When I first heard the WSJ story it looked good, but verification from RR and Boeing on the non-receipt of actual ACARS messages led me to put it in the WTF basket, great if true but it’s a long way from being verified, more info needed. Once the real nature of the data, handshake pings from the SATCOM came out it suddenly came back into the frame. The obstinate refusal of the Malaysians to understand the difference between ACARS messages and handshake pings was frustrating to observe. Verification was harder, we didn’t get a look at the source for example, but once serious support came by Jay Carney that data had be seriously considered.

So it was very “internet”, lots of speculation and going off half arsed with wild theories, plus numerous obstinate refusals to actually logically consider the so called “facts” that we’re being bandied about, and thus very disconcerting for casual spectators who only want to know what was happening, really. But it has been a fascinating case, I trust that readers have found something of value from my attempts to present a plain understanding of what we know and what we don’t.
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March 15, 2014 11:22pm
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Malaysia’s prime minister on Saturday said the search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 had widened to two large corridors as far north as the Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan border, based on more satellite data about the plane’s movements.

Those corridors are from northern Thailand to the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, and from Indonesia to the Southern Indian Ocean, Prime Minister Najib Razak said at a press conference.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/malaysian-pm-jet-search-widens-large-new-areas-n53421

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/with_replies
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March 15, 2014 11:27pm
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Reid (15,142 comments) says:
March 15th, 2014 at 11:02 pm

Your comments no more ‘hurt my tummy’ than a young earth creationist does when they claim the earth is only 6000 years old. It is a position from ignorance without credible evidence and you choose to believe what you choose to believe
You waffle and make assertions as if they are fact and as they are merely your interpretation I don’t care. As soon as you make a falsifiable assertion that I don’t agree with, I will challenge you on it
Of course you make so few it won’t be a common event
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