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Lucia Maria

Bloody hell, Reid!!

Excellent summary of the geostrategic machinations behind Ukraine.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/14/russia-attack-paul-craig-roberts/

The man writes like he’s an agent for the KGB!! Who do you think has more experience with this type of propaganda?
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March 12, 2014 5:50pm
SPC

Modern DNA science enables some belated checking of various oral traditions – but hardly has any impact on iwi claims (as settlers in possession of land by 1840 when the Treaty was signed).

Maybe some will be a little more cynical and wait for academic scrutiny of ancient settler claims once they realise that.

The will to believe hearsay because one finds it politically convenient as a tool to beat fellow Kiwis with is not attractive.
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March 12, 2014 6:03pm
UglyTruth

Again I choose not to educate myself with your conspiracy based woo and pseudo science.

So you’re still going with the magic bullet theory then, stephieboy?
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March 12, 2014 6:05pm
Reid

The man writes like he’s an agent for the KGB!!

Except he was Assistant Treasury Secretary in Reagan’s Administration Lucia.

There’s lots and lots of red pill people out there and frankly, I really don’t get why blue pill people can’t see this world has been going to hell in a handcart for a long long time and why those people haven’t been asking themselves just why this may be.

People like stephie who writes with the sophistication of a twenty-something philosophy student is understandable, but why others like you who know life can’t or refuse to see it, even though in your case you well know apocalyptic literature, is beyond me since its so appallingly obvious and writ large in flaming letters a million feet high.
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March 12, 2014 6:18pm
wikiriwhis business

Bombshell! New Pentagon Pics Released Prove NO PLANE Struck The Pentagon – It Was A Missile!!!

Max Keiser Report Have to wonder who took the aerial photos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5C7rmvbXrk#t=53

all you need to do is look at the weight and burning point of a rolls royce jet engine which would have been attached to the plane… they would still have been lying about among the wreckage if it was a plane that had rocketed into the pentagon and the towers. i cant believe people still think this was all legitimate.
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March 12, 2014 6:25pm
griffith

Weekend weather
Lusi is expected to intensify to a Cat 3 (winds 119–157 km/h) cyclone Wednesday evening while moving southeast over the open waters of southern Vanuatu and Fiji.
Computer models are still predicting Lusi to move out of the tropics (south of 25?South) on Friday as it moves in a southerly direction towards the upper North Island. At this stage, the cyclone is expected to make landfall somewhere between North Cape and western Bay of Plenty during Saturday or Sunday, before re-curving across New Zealand and moving swiftly out over open waters east of the South Island on Monday. The various computer models are still struggling to agree on its future location and speed of movement, but a track over the upper North Island followed by a path over the upper South Island is currently favoured.
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March 12, 2014 6:28pm
stephieboy

wikiiriwhis business,

This poster has a good handle on things,

RyanP19 hours ago

The path of the plane came in on was roughly a 45 degree angle. It didn’t fly perpendicular to the wall it slammed into. This guy is retarded and yes, there were light poles that were damaged and knocked down by the plane. Its hilarious how people dont know this almost 15 years after the fact.

Says it all but next tell us where the missing passengers and crew of Flight 77 that allegedly overflew the Pentagon ended up. ?

You pulling our leg again.?
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March 12, 2014 6:34pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

You don’t think the Soviets had moles and sympathisers in Reagan’s administration?

People like me have historical understanding – that’s why I’m not taken in by that type of propaganda.

I wish I could give you a brain dump. There’s just too much information, unfortunately and I have to cook dinner.

But, here’s a couple of questions that will show whether or not you believe Soviet propaganda that has influenced the world for decades.

Question 1: When did the Soviet Union enter WWII?
Question 2: Pope Pius XII – Nazi collaborator or saviour of the Jews?

One book I would recommend: An Army in Exile: The Story of the Second Polish Corps. My Dad was a cadet in this army, my uncles and Grandfather were soldiers.

There’s many, many more books of course, but the above is the pivotal one. It was for me.
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March 12, 2014 6:38pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth,

Magic Bullet theory and single bullet fact once more

https://www.facebook.com/Michael.Brant.Shermer/posts/10151671209021386

Why do you choose to ignore.?

Reid , I refuse to believe any of your conspiracy based nonsense.!
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March 12, 2014 6:38pm
kowtow

Computer model can’t track a storm next week,

but we’re taxed and legislated and bullied on the basis of computer models telling us about the weather in 10,20 even 30 years time.
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March 12, 2014 6:52pm
stephieboy

Some of the woo Paul Craig Roberts is associated with,

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Fall_of_America_and_the_Western_World

and this piece of garbage,

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/co-founder-reagonomics-paul-craig-roberts-there-probably-more-democracy-china-there-west

Just because you were the assistant secretary to the treasury under Reagan, doesn’t make you immune from publishing or believing nonsense. like the above .
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March 12, 2014 6:52pm
UglyTruth

Why do you choose to ignore.?

What is it that I am ignoring?

The Warren Commission said that the same bullet that passed through Kennedy’s neck also passed through Connally’s rib and shattered his wrist. Yet the bullet that was said to have caused these injuries did not show any significant deformation, hence the magic bullet theory.
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March 12, 2014 6:53pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

The book is quite expensive (I paid $50 American for it in 2005, but it was worth it for me), so there’s this website: A voyage into the Soviet Memory Hole:

Katyn is but one of many issues caught up in the fact that the Russians think they lost a battle, and the Americans think they won a war. Both of them are still floundering around in their own paradigms, which they both fondly project into all their dealings with each other. The Americans fondly think the Russians are born again Orthodox reformists headed for a market driven capitalist economy, and the Russians still think of themselves as a mighty superpower that can deter any American enquiry as to their acts and omissions by threatening nuclear devastation on all and sundry. Money will still solve all problems for the Americans, and violence will still solve all problems for the Russians: what has changed?

I think the very system that was responsible for the genocide at Katyn is still holding the reins of power in Russia, so a very good case can be made for seeing Katyn as a litmus test for relationships with the Russians and for assessing the genuineness, or otherwise, of all the claims about change and reform in the former Soviet Union.

The Russians have never understood that a carbuncle, infecting all in its path as it weeps for your lost illusions or your nations grandeur, is better lanced than suppurating all over your national pride from generation to generation, suppressing any chance of a fresh start.

Apart from Katyn there are any number of suppurating sores in the history of the Soviet Union [like the Raoul Wallenberg affair], it is just that we are not able to make them reveal, let alone confront their past, hidden by the Yeltsins of the system who in turn have too many skeletons in their personal cupboards. They are scared that if they open one of these cupboards the whole Potemkin facade of “change in Russia” will collapse, so the Soviet communist practices of disinformation, lies, denial and avoidance measures still dominates the Russian psyche.

The fundamental problem to confront when dealing with Russia in its many guises is that the leadership of the place and their minions have for generations been not immoral, but amoral by any objective measure of humanity.

What is it that the Soviets/Russians are still covering up in relation to the Katyn Massacre that is so horrendous that they are unable to face it even after all this time? Is this simply the pathetic, insecure blustering of the Russians continuing, or do they really have some other things to admit from the past, or present, that they are afraid will stop the flow of Western money if they are disclosed?

Are we truly to be thought of as being so stupid that we will not expect any documents from the period between the Nazi discovery of Katyn and the Burdenko media circus to have survived?

There must have been piles of paper expended setting up the Burdenko Commission and putting out the lies it created and endlessly endorsed. Where are these files?

Remember the Polish plane of dignitaries that crashed on their way to a Katyn memorial service a few years back?

Katyn has not yet been dealt with by the Russians, and this website has been around for years. I probably found it about 10 years ago.
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March 12, 2014 7:14pm
stephieboy

U T, You’ve obviously not watched the Video I posted.

Why.?
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March 12, 2014 7:16pm
UglyTruth

Why.?

Because there was no good reason for me to watch it.

The Warren Commission said that the same bullet that passed through Kennedy’s neck also passed through Connally’s rib and shattered his wrist. Yet the bullet that was said to have caused these injuries did not show any significant deformation, hence the magic bullet theory.

Do you still support the magic bullet theory? If so, please explain how a bullet can shatter bone without suffering any significant deformation.
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March 12, 2014 7:29pm
ShawnLH

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………………………….

Elvis has left the building.
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March 12, 2014 7:32pm
goldnkiwi

Interesting that Fawcett is described as an ex mob member in the msm, does any one know if he actually got his ‘patch’?
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March 12, 2014 7:45pm
Andrei

Katyn has not yet been dealt with by the Russians

Katyn is hardly a secret Lucyna and there are lots of dead Russians there too. And its not as though the Poles don’t have some nasty skeletons of their own, both from between the wars and in the immediate aftermath of WW2.

We didn’t do it though and nor did Vladimir Putin, he wasn’t born then and neither were either of us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSyVIvxa26U
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March 12, 2014 7:56pm
nasska

I have no idea who invented ballet dancing……

…….but I’m willing to bet good money it was a bloke trying to sneak into bed after coming home pissed from the pub.
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March 12, 2014 8:01pm
Lucia Maria

Andrei,

From the link I gave above:

Perhaps one day Gorbachev closed his well thumbed copy of “What is to be done?”, turned to Raisa and said, “The Polish dead of Katyn is a subject that has been troubling me for some time, but let no one forget that the Soviet people suffered greatly as well, but more so. They are on my conscience as a good Soviet leader, but let no one forget that the Soviet people suffered greatly under the Soviet leaders as well, but more so. I have decided to release documents about this matter to the Polish government and admit the NKVD did the shootings, but let no one forget that the Soviet people suffered greatly under the NKVD as well, but more so. It was unfortunately another case of that Stalin’s cult of the personality inflicting suffering on innocent people, but let no one forget that the Soviet people suffered greatly under the great leader and teacher as well, but more so.”
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March 12, 2014 8:02pm
Lucia Maria

And:

The Soviet/Russian parliament has never acknowledged the Katyn Massacre as being anything but the event as described in the Burdenko Commission report, let alone a Soviet/Russian responsibility. Indeed there has been quite a concerted move to deny the whole business altogether. The Soviet Army started an investigation with great promise and it fizzled out as most things Soviet seem to, gone without even a whimper, let alone a bang.

Like children the world over, the Russians are not sorry they shot the Poles, they are sorry they got caught out having done it.
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March 12, 2014 8:07pm
Lucia Maria

From 2013, in our lifetime, Andrei. Still denial by Russians:

LONDON — In the long-simmering and emotional debate over a notorious mass killing during World War II, the European Court of Human Rights ruled Monday that Russia had failed to comply with its obligations to adequately investigate the massacre of more than 20,000 Polish prisoners of war by the Soviet secret police in 1940.

But the court said it had no jurisdiction over the massacre itself or the subsequent treatment of the relatives of the dead, prompting an outcry in Poland and expressions of satisfaction among officials in Moscow, underscoring the deep and lingering divisions inspired by the mass killing in the Katyn Forest near Smolensk.

“We are rather disappointed by this verdict,” said Poland’s deputy foreign minister, Artur Nowak-Far, according to Agence France-Presse. “The ruling does not take into account all the arguments of the Polish side that have here a great moral and historic right.”

Andrzej Melak, president of the Association of the Families of Katyn Victims, called the judgment “scandalous,” adding that it was “inadmissible and incomprehensible.”

“The failure to condemn this genocide and the impunity of its perpetrators led to it being repeated in Rwanda, the Balkans, and it will be repeated again,” he said. “Poles will not accept a ruling like this.”

But in Moscow, Georgy Matyushkin, the deputy minister of justice and Russia’s envoy to the European Court of Human Rights, told the Interfax news agency that the ruling showed that “the court does not have the conventional duty to investigate the events at Katyn” and that it would thus be “illogical” for it to address allegations of improper treatment of the victims’ relatives.

“The Russian authorities from the very beginning said that these events are located outside of the frame of the jurisdiction of the European court from the point of view of the time frame,” Mr. Matyushkin said. “And this point of view was accepted by the European court.”

link
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March 12, 2014 8:12pm
griffith

Just Like the bard nasska
bawdy rowdy fun for the easily amused becomes the moribund pleasure of those who elevate such cultural relics into high art.
The cankers always expect the masses to pay for their pleasure whilst trying to limit the modern rowdy bawdy pleasures of said masses.
Pretty hard to culturefy todays internet porn. 😆
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March 12, 2014 8:29pm
nasska

….”Pretty hard to culturefy todays internet porn”….

I’m giving it my best shot Griff. 🙂
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March 12, 2014 8:32pm
Johnboy

“…….but I’m willing to bet good money it was a bloke trying to sneak into bed after coming home pissed from the pub.”

And I reckon the bastard tried to sneak over the style they used in those days nasska (cause they hadn’t invented the Taranaki gate) slipped on the wet planks and on telling his tale of pain and woe to his mate, one Pyotr llyich the Nutcracker was born! 🙂
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March 12, 2014 8:37pm
Andrei

What’s anybody supposed to do Lucyna? – A war cemetery has been built, with a Latin Cross to mark it, the Polish Flag flies over it and dignitaries Russian and Polish go their to pay homage to the dead, including His Holiness the Patriarch of Moscow and Vladimir Putin.

Thirty million Russians died in that war, the fascists would come, girls would be raped, their breasts cut off and then be nailed alive to barn doors. Babies had their brains smashed out against trees and were used for bayonet practice. People were herded into barns and Churches which were then set alight burning them alive and so forth – I knew people who witnessed this first hand and when it was over there was no touchy feely counselling to sooth their trauma – no their homes were destroyed and they had to just get on with putting every thing back together and live with the horrors they had lived through.

WTF

What concerns me is not what happened then because there is diddly you or I or anybody else can do about it but rather that it doesn’t happen again.

And to tell the truth it scares me that the next round is about to begin
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March 12, 2014 8:37pm
Johnboy

The old Bob Voyeur is quite cultural nasska.

I learned much of my French from that internet font of wisdom! 🙂
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March 12, 2014 8:40pm
Tauhei Notts

Johnboy at 8.37
Until I read that I thought that only culture about you was the yogurt you eat.
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March 12, 2014 8:44pm
nasska

Was one of those phrases “La bestialité des agneaux” JB? 🙂
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March 12, 2014 8:45pm
Lucia Maria

Andrei,

A proper, open to outsiders, investigation would be a good start. The link I gave assumes that the bodies have been burned or ground up in order to cover everything up when blaming the atrocity on the Nazis didn’t quite work.

People want to know what happened, and there’s only stonewalling from the Russians on this.

How can you trust people like this? Like John Key with the smacking debate, dealing with the issues surrounding the Katyn massacre is test of character for the Russians. So far they have failed dismally.
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March 12, 2014 8:46pm
Psycho Milt

…the fascists would come, girls would be raped, their breasts cut off and then be nailed alive to barn doors.

That’s funny, the “fascists” have exactly the same story about when the “communists” came. Nailing live women to barn doors seems to really be a thing in central and eastern Europe – either that or human beings have an unfortunate tendency to make up atrocity stories. Suffice to say, totalitarian dictatorships tend to leave a lengthy trail of dead bodies and are best avoided.
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March 12, 2014 8:48pm
Johnboy

I never eat yogurt Tauhei. It curdles my Scotch! 🙂
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March 12, 2014 8:52pm
Psycho Milt

…the issues surrounding the Katyn massacre is test of character for the Russians.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Poland had its share of Jew-murderers, Germany and the Soviet Union cheerfully employed gangs of murderers to kill entire categories of people, my own ancestors didn’t hesitate to strap Indians who didn’t like British rule to the front of a cannon and fire it. Who of us feels like volunteering to take punishment for those crimes on behalf of the people who actually carried them out?
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March 12, 2014 8:55pm
Johnboy

None of my sheep are allowed to learn French nasska. It upsets them too much when my butcher pops around to discuss what style I would prefer for my lamb racks! 🙂
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March 12, 2014 8:56pm
Lucia Maria

Thirty million Russians died in that war, the fascists would come, girls would be raped, their breasts cut off and then be nailed alive to barn doors. Babies had their brains smashed out against trees and were used for bayonet practice. People were herded into barns and Churches which were then set alight burning them alive and so forth – I knew people who witnessed this first hand and when it was over there was no touchy feely counselling to sooth their trauma – no their homes were destroyed and they had to just get on with putting every thing back together and live with the horrors they had lived through.

You make a deal with the devil – the devil always wins. The Russians invited the devil in with the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Without that, Poland would have been a buffer.
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March 12, 2014 8:59pm
Johnboy

Your onto it Psycho. These poor freedom loving Ukrainians who are being oppressed by Vlad and his minions made up most of the concentration camp guards that pushed the Jew’s into the gas chambers.

Not to mention those RC Poles that pointed out the dreaded Jew’s to the SS and assisted greatly with their extermination….. Even their own neighbours that they had peacefully co-existed with for generations till they thought they had an advantage! 🙂
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March 12, 2014 9:04pm
Reid

Question 1: When did the Soviet Union enter WWII?
Question 2: Pope Pius XII – Nazi collaborator or saviour of the Jews?

1) If it’s not when Stalin declared war I don’t know, when did they.
2) I haven’t look at that question – I don’t care because while I’ve looked at a lot of the war Pius was always a bit player whichever way you look at it compared to who did what then. Sure, Catholics care, but I’m not one so I don’t. What’s the answer? I see Google is favouring the revisionist view, but then Google’s been showing its slip lately and trusting that to give you the right results these days is like trusting the NSA when it says it doesn’t have any data on you.

Lucia I’m not sure how either of your questions relate to your contention Ukraine is about Russian propaganda, not least because a couple of generations have passed since those questions and times change. Both in the West and over there. But hopefully you’ll explicate if you’re still here.

You make a deal with the devil – the devil always wins.

Yes he does. The issue is Lucia, was Churchill riding with him as well as both Hitler and Stalin?

Don’t think so? Google “devils chimney churchill crowley”

And if you’re specially interested, read this.

http://solargeneral.com/library/conjuring-hitler.pdf
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March 12, 2014 9:06pm
Johnboy

Not much worse hypocrite than an RC Polack having a go at the Russians I would say! 🙂
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March 12, 2014 9:06pm
Andrei

either that or human beings have an unfortunate tendency to make up atrocity stories.

um Milt there was plenty of photographic evidence – some of it presented at Nuremberg as it happens. The Germans for some strange reason liked to take photos of their handiwork
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March 12, 2014 9:12pm
Viking2

I bought a bird feeder.. I hung it
on my back porch and filled it
with seed. What a beauty of
a bird feeder it was, as I filled it
lovingly with seed.
Within a week we had hundreds of birds
taking advantage of the
continuous flow of free and
easily accessible food.

But then the birds started
building nests in the boards
of the patio, above the table,
and next to the barbecue.

Then came the poop. It was
everywhere: on the patio tile,
the chairs, the table .
everywhere!

Then some of the birds
turned mean. They would
dive bomb me and try to
peck me even though I had
fed them out of my own
pocket.

And others birds were
boisterous and loud. They
sat on the feeder and
squawked and screamed at
all hours of the day and night
and demanded that I fill it
when it got low on food.

After a while, I couldn’t even
sit on my own back porch
anymore. So I took down the
bird feeder and in three days
the birds were gone. I cleaned
up their mess and took down
the many nests they had built
all over the patio.

Soon, the back yard was like
it used to be …… quiet, serene…..
and no one demanding their
rights to a free meal.

Now let’s see…….
Our government gives out
free food, subsidized housing,
free medical care and free
education, and allows anyone
born here to be an automatic
citizen.

Then the illegal’s came by the
tens of thousands. Suddenly
our taxes went up to pay for
free services; small apartments
are housing 5 families; you
have to wait 6 hours to be seen
by an emergency room doctor;
Your child’s second grade class is
behind other schools because
over half the class doesn’t speak
English.

Corn Flakes now come in a
bilingual box; I have to
‘press one ‘ to hear my bank
talk to me in English, and
people waving flags other
than ”ours” are
squawking and screaming
in the streets, demanding
more rights and free liberties.

Just my opinion, but maybe
it’s time for the government
to take down the bird feeder.
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March 12, 2014 9:15pm
Johnboy

Here’s one the Germans never took Andrei: 🙂

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/99982/the-treblinka-gold-rush

Get over it lad. You Catholics are just as big mass murderers as the Nazi’s! 🙂
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March 12, 2014 9:18pm
griffith

I find it difficult to think of an answer to russian aggression.
Europe needs the cheap gas .
The USA has just blown significant gdp on two unwinnable excursions.
Interested how the church is now heavily involved in the political culture.
Communism morphs into Theological Authoritarianism .
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/07/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-church-idUSBREA260Q520140307
Russian Orthodox Church sings from Putin hymn sheet on Ukraine.
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March 12, 2014 9:24pm
Reid

I find it difficult to think of an answer to russian aggression.

Why do you think it’s aggression? Why don’t you recognise it’s defence? As soon as you do, you have the answer.

The Russian Orthodox being behind Putin is no surprise either. That’s what Pussy Riot was about. Sure Putin’s using them, but it’s no surprise.
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March 12, 2014 9:28pm
Andrei

More sabre rattling Reid – the drums of war are beating and the fools are dancing to their rhythms.

One small mistake now and Europe will be in flames again.

70 years since the last time and people have forgotten
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March 12, 2014 9:35pm
griffith

If it was the USA they would …….Defend their boundary or oil supply.

America’s national game vis-à-vis Russia’s national game .

😆
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March 12, 2014 9:39pm
Johnboy

There has been a Vladimir III……. Grand Prince of Kiev in 1154.

I suspect our current Vlad would prefer to called Tsar Putin The First. 🙂
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March 12, 2014 9:40pm
Johnboy

No sweat Andrei. You Catholics can sneak under the radar again and deal to the Jews like you always have in times like this! 🙂
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March 12, 2014 9:43pm
Andrei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaheUmowPDk
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March 12, 2014 9:43pm
Reid

70 years since the last time and people have forgotten

They forgot to look for WWII even when WWI was only twenty years previous Andrei and people haven’t changed. They believe what they want to believe and if they see a hint of something they don’t like they pretend they haven’t seen it because it frightens them.

I don’t understand it myself but that’s how most behave, seems nuts to me but there we (evidently) are.

As I’ve said before one thing puzzles me in that Putin is NWO just like Obama is – they all are. That doesn’t mean they all always agree but it means they’re all marching to the same ultimate hymnbook. So do they really want to get it on with nukes and start the main event, or is this just a minor dispute over oil and money?
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March 12, 2014 9:44pm
hj

Oslo rape statistics shock (2001 report)

Aftenposten (Norway)

Jonathan Tisdall

Published in 2001

The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed according to ethnic origin. Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown.

Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year. Nine out of ten cases do not make it to prosecution, most of them because police do not believe the evidence is sufficient to reach a conviction. Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo’s Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising – the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments. While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo’s population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background. Larsen said that since this was the initial study examining ethnic make-up there were no existing figures to put the numbers into context. “Meanwhile, it is our general experience that this is an increasing tendency. We note this by the number of time we need to use interpreters in the course of an investigation,” Larsen said.
http://www.jeff-goodall.com/?p=3396
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March 12, 2014 9:48pm
Johnboy

What’s Norwegian for “Where am de white wimmin”?
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March 12, 2014 9:51pm
stephieboy

Reid, Obama and Putin NWO.?

Utter piffle.!
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March 12, 2014 9:52pm
Johnboy

Johnboy (13,003 comments) says:
March 12th, 2014 at 9:43 pm
Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 3

Hell three Catholics allowed out tonight! 🙂
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March 12, 2014 9:54pm
griffith

حيث كل امرأة بيضاء
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March 12, 2014 9:54pm
Johnboy

Maybe they’re voting in a new Pope! 🙂
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March 12, 2014 9:55pm
griffith

Hell allowed three.
Is minus kow tow or red blather? 😆
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March 12, 2014 9:57pm
Andrei

I’m no Catholic Johnboy – no no no
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March 12, 2014 9:58pm
Reid

Reid, Obama and Putin NWO.? Utter piffle.!

And you’d know this how, stephie?

How do you recognise a NWO leader when you see one?

Or don’t they exist?

Bearing in mind Bush announced them of course back in the 1990’s but you know that already don’t you. Not that he needed to announce them, since those of us who inform ourselves already knew but they like to advertise their intentions, it’s to do with their occult beliefs since they think that if they tell us what’s going to happen then they can’t be blamed for killing us when they do it since they told us all about it but we didn’t listen. For example 911 was advertised all over the place years before it happened, but of course you know all about that too, don’t you stephie. Sandy Hook was in Batman before it happened too. You knew that too, didn’t you.

Just type in “911 warnings” and pick your category.
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March 12, 2014 9:59pm
Johnboy

I’m hoping it’s Lucia. I could get my jollies every tick if it was! 🙂
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March 12, 2014 10:00pm
Psycho Milt

Milt there was plenty of photographic evidence – some of it presented at Nuremberg as it happens. The Germans for some strange reason liked to take photos of their handiwork

Yes, the Jerry perpetrators were a lot more likely to carry cameras, on account of their country being relatively crap at totalitarianism compared to Russia. In terms of atrocities though, really not a lot to choose between them. And modern Russian forces are as adept at executing “terrorists” in Chechnya as their Wehrmacht counterparts in Belarus 70 years ago – I expect there’d even be photographs, were there anyone to arrest the perps and confiscate the photos…
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March 12, 2014 10:02pm
griffith

Andrei has distanced him self
😆
Did you get a quite word about not toeing the modern church line?
Excommunication would be the end point.
Hell.
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March 12, 2014 10:06pm
Andrei

Gerard Depardieu has a fancy apartment in Grozny Milt, bet you didn’t know that – and just to be clear Grozny is the capital of Chechnya
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March 12, 2014 10:08pm
Johnboy

STOP PWESS.

Gawith’s speech impediment cwause’s confusion!

Wrat’s confused with Cwats!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11218496
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March 12, 2014 10:27pm
stephieboy

Reid,

Recognize a NWO leader.? Tell us what the magic formula or DNA profiling is.?
But more importanly your factual evidence without necessarily resorting to google or You Tube all the time.?
9/11 advertised all over the place prior to 9/11/2001.?????
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March 12, 2014 10:28pm
Reid

stephie the field is too big to give you a single article, just like the Bible is too big to give you a single verse that would convince you need to repent.

So you’re just going to have to follow your own mind toward it picking those subjects you wish, like military, economy, politics or whatever field spins your wheels.

But there’s no point me giving anything to you since doing so is like giving fine wine to an alcoholic and watching them quaff it and miss the whole point, or casting pearls before swine is the other analogy.

9/11 advertised all over the place prior to 9/11/2001.?????

See your question marks illustrate what I just said. It indicates to me you didn’t even take my simple advice and google those words and see what the auto-answer produced and pick your category because if you had bothered to do that tiny simple thing, you would have found the links yourself, but you didn’t want to because you think in your towering ignorance you already know what the answer is. Right?

Right.
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March 12, 2014 10:42pm
stephieboy

Reid,
The issue is simple. You’ve made an assertion re 9/11 advertised all over the place prior to 9/11/2001.
The onus is surely on you to back up that assertion with facts and evidence which you have consistently failed to do.
Instead you like Twoofers hide behind google and auto answer swallowing anything that it happens to regurgitate.
Smart use of “your ” critical thinking skills.!

OMG, One of the more plausible of my finds,

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?_r=0
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March 12, 2014 10:50pm
griffith

Honestly stephieboy.
don’t go there.
just take Reid as you find him.
He may be as nuts as a bag of Gobers .
but he is often right in a twisted way.
I just right it off as. He has a strange filter in front of his view of the world.
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March 12, 2014 11:15pm
Manolo

The fat lady prepares her troops: http://time.com/20622/hillary-clinton-campaign-2016/
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