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February 5, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 5 February 2014

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dime

“dime, plenty of Maori leaders have stuck their head above the parapet and said it like it is. They have been cried down and pissed on from all sides for their efforts.

Maori are not stupid, but they are conformists and don’t like to stand out too much.”

so youre saying they are wimps?

the amount of maoris i see nowadays driving around in shitty cars, dressed badly, looking unemployable.. but they walk around like they own the joint. i guess thats what they believe.

“we own this place bro!” its just that umm we are poor and going backwards..
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February 5, 2014 2:36pm
Kea

dime, yes in that regard they are wimps.

As for the chronic entitlitis they suffer. Blame white middle class progressives (self named).
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February 5, 2014 2:47pm
dime

“As for the chronic entitlitis they suffer. Blame white middle class progressives (self named).”

that pisses me off even more, because those losers are convinced they have helped maori and the right wingers are the pricks!

its like they took a dude, made him forget how to fish, then every so often they throw him some fish scraps.. and expect a thank you!
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February 5, 2014 2:54pm
alex Masterley

“sad fact is the left arent liberal, they want to control you”

Never a truer word was said.
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February 5, 2014 3:00pm
Odakyu-sen

Stephieboy,

NZ has to weigh up the pros and cons of allowing a token number of refugees into the country each year. As a matter of principle I oppose “feel good” programs.

I would only support such a program if it could be shown to bring material benefits to New Zealand.

Idealistically, I think it would be better for the UN (or some competent body) to address the root cause of any refugee problem, rather than worrying about where to put the refugees. Wouldn’t it be better to put out a small fire in a house rather than focus on where to house the inhabitants after their house has burned down?
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February 5, 2014 3:01pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

Not game to mention the country, then?
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February 5, 2014 3:35pm
Odakyu-sen

I did some research into this nasty condition that Kea brought up. This is what I found.

en⋅ti⋅tl⋅i⋅tis

[en-tahy-tl-ahy-tis] noun.

a psychosis characterized by the subject’s inability to discern rights from entitlements, most common among proponents of “social or redistributive justice.” Commonly diagnosed alongside fairmania*, patients afflicted with entitlistis are functionally incapable of distinguishing the concept of unfettered access from the concept of provision. A contemporary example would be the inability to discern the right to access healthcare services from an entitlement to receive those services at a cost reduced or waived.

Although further research is required, it is believed entitlitis most likely results from institutional deficiencies experienced during childhood, particularly parental neglect to instruct wards of the necessity to earn provisions. Since the nature of childhood is such that sustenance is provided as a condition of custody, if children are not instructed to expect otherwise, they may expect to have sustenance provided perpetually. Left unchecked, this expectation may become irreversible, leaving the afflicted functionally retarded and vulnerable to becoming the ward of any party who will provide sustenance.

Note: I think that this unchecked form is the “chronic entitlitis” that Kea is referring to.

Reference: http://www.redstate.com/walterscotthudson/2009/12/10/entitlitis-a-progressive-mental-disorder/
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February 5, 2014 3:54pm
Jack5

Bringing back midwives has been one of the stupider aspects of twentieth century feminism.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11197184
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February 5, 2014 4:09pm
Kea

Lucy, it is not relevant. If you have have point, spit it out woman !
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February 5, 2014 4:10pm
mandk

Kea @ 11.30: “Iran just wants to be left alone”

Given Iran’s declared intent to wipe Israel off the map, this deserves a prize for being the most ridiculous statement it is possible to utter.
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February 5, 2014 5:10pm
Ryan Sproull

Given Iran’s declared intent to wipe Israel off the map, this deserves a prize for being the most ridiculous statement it is possible to utter.

Reference, please.
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February 5, 2014 5:11pm
publicwatchdog

How appropriate is it for the NZ Attorney-General Chris Finlayson to give leave (under s.106 of the Crimes Act 1961), for a s.105 Bribery and Corruption private prosecution against Auckland Mayor Len Brown, when the very same Chris Finalyson voted FOR the NZ International Convention Centre (or – as I prefer to call it – the Sky City MONEY_LAUNDERING) Bill, at its Third Reading on 12 November 2013?

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EVIDENCE Attorney-General Chris Finlayson voted in favour of the New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill — Third Reading 12 November 2013

How is this not a significant ‘conflict of interest’ for NZ Attorney-General Chris Finlayson?

Even worse that it was a ‘personal’ vote?

NZ Attorney-General Chris Finlayson voted in favour of the NZ International Convention Centre Bill (Third Reading). yet under s.106 of the NZ Crimes Act 1961,

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM328753.html

106 Restrictions on prosecution

(1)No one shall be prosecuted for an offence against any of the provisions of sections 100, 101, 104, 105, 105A,105B, 105C, and 105D without the leave of the Attorney-General, who before giving leave may make such inquiries as he or she thinks fit.
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http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/debates/debates/50HansD_20131112_00000024/new-zealand-international-convention-centre-bill-%E2%80%94-third

New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill — Third Reading

[Sitting date: 12 November 2013. Volume:694;Page:14549. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]

New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill

A personal vote was called for on the question, That the New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill be now read a third time.

Ayes 61

Adams (P) Dunne (P) Key (P) Simpson (P)
Ardern S (P) English (P) King C Smith (P)
Auchinvole (P) Finlayson Lee (P) Tisch (P)
Bakshi (P) Foss (P) Lotu-Iiga (P) Tolley (P)
Banks (P) Foster-Bell Macindoe Tremain (P)
Barry (P) Goldsmith (P) McClay (P) Upston (P)
Bennett D Goodhew (P) McCully (P) Wagner
Bennett P (P) Groser (P) McKelvie (P) Wilkinson (P)
Borrows (P) Guy (P) Mitchell Williamson
Bridges (P) Hauiti (P) Ngaro (P) Woodhouse
Brownlee (P) Hayes (P) O’Connor S (P) Yang (P)
Calder (P) Heatley (P) Parata (P) Young (P)
Carter (P) Henare Roy (P)
Coleman (P) Hutchison (P) Ryall (P)
Collins (P) Joyce (P) Sabin (P) Teller:
Dean (P) Kaye (P) Shanks (P) Ross

Noes 59

Ardern J (P) Harawira (P) Moroney Street (P)
Browning (P) Hipkins (P) Norman (P) Tirikatene (P)
Clark (P) Horan (P) O’Connor D (P) Turei
Clendon (P) Hughes O’Rourke (P) Turia (P)
Cosgrove (P) Huo (P) Parker (P) Twyford (P)
Cunliffe (P) Jones (P) Peters (P) Walker (P)
Curran King A Prasad (P) Wall (P)
Delahunty Lees-Galloway (P) Prosser Whaitiri
Dyson Little Robertson G (P) Williams
Faafoi Logie (P) Robertson R (P) Woods (P)
Fenton Lole-Taylor Roche
Flavell Mackey Sage (P)
Genter (P) Mahuta (P) Sharples (P)
Goff (P) Mallard (P) Shearer (P)
Graham (P) Martin Sio (P) Teller:
Hague (P) Mathers (P) Stewart Beaumont
Bill read a third time.

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How appropriate is it for the New Zealand Auditor-General Lyn Provost to be a shareholder in Sky City?

http://www.investigatemagazine.co.nz/Investigate/4817/auditor-general-asked-about-her-sky-city-conflict-of-interest/

Cute.

In New Zealand, ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ – both the Auditor-General and Attorney-General have arguably HUGE ‘conflicts on interest’ regarding Sky City?

The Auditor-General owns shares in Sky City, and the Attorney-General voted for Sky City!

(File under the category – ‘YOU COULDN’T MAKE THIS SH*T UP?’ )

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 5, 2014 5:18pm
bereal

So poor old Kim Dotcom now feels he has been hard done by and is squealing like a stuck pig.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11197034

Well boo freakin hoo.

Maybe two of his biggest supporters, Russell Norman and Grant Robertson could lead a
march up Queen St carrying placards calling for, “Justice for Kim Dotcom.” or
“Hands off Kim.” or “Give Kim a fair go.”

There seem to be enough gormless drongs around who think that the sun shines out of Kims fat
arse that they could probably pack out Eden Park for a rally to support him. Go figure.

Kim says he hopes New Zealanders will throw John Key out at our next election, just to show they
agree he hasn’t had a fair go.

FFS

Will there ever come a day when what passes for a fourth estate in this country don’t run a story about freakin Kim Dotcom ?
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February 5, 2014 5:20pm
Left Right and Centre

Longknives 8:40am – It’s whitie’s fault that they are ugly as sin.

Waitangi Day is a very small price to pay for being allowed to use all of this wonderful land the natives used to own.

The thing is that the protests and demonstrations and shit have become the norm. The whole point of them – the message – is lost. It’s just boring now. They need something fresh. A true assassination attempt.

It’s their protest day – it’s their time to shine. Not a problem. I’m happy for them. If that’s the best that they can do – it’s pathetic. Small potatoes. We all secretly love it too. There’s nothing like Maori behaving badly. They wrote the book on intimidation and ugliness and getting staunch and rarked up. It’s a thing of great beauty. Like watching lions hunt prey on the Serengeti. Seeing a majestic creature in it’s natural habit. Ruining an occasion. Being as badly behaved as possible. Threatening and scary. Generating incredible tension, friction and ill-feeling. They are the masters. They are lashing out at the invaders. It’s only natural and to be expected.

The media loves it. It’s all turned Hollywood. We didn’t quite catch you throwing the red paint and sticking out the tongue – can you give us one more take ? And we thought it was a bit lacklustre to be honest anyhow – not your best work. A little bit more energy this time ? Have you seen a Lord Of The Rings battle scene ? Yes well, do your best anyway. Lights, camera, action….
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February 5, 2014 5:45pm
gump

@jack5

“Bringing back midwives has been one of the stupider aspects of twentieth century feminism.”

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So a single midwife delivers poor care, and you consider that an indictment against all midwives?

The same report also criticises the obstetrician assigned to the patient. Are obstetricians one of the “stupider aspects” of twentieth century medicine?
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February 5, 2014 5:49pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

Of course the country is relevant. Maybe it is Vietnam, and being caught out, you just don’t want to confirm it, wondering how with so little clues I could actually accurately guess it. Prove me wrong by naming the country. If you don’t name the country, it’ll look like I am right.

My point is that you don’t seem to believe in freedom of religion, yet take advantage of a Christian heritage country where you can freely change your religion, even to appearing to being a belligerent atheist. Or is it the only acceptable direction for a person to take is to stay the religion of the culture they were born into? If so, you can’t be atheist.
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February 5, 2014 5:51pm
gump

The Scottish parliament has voted to legalise gay marriage by 105 votes to 18.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9688086/Scotland-approves-same-sex-marriage

I’ve always been proud of my Scottish heritage, and now I have something more to be proud about.
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February 5, 2014 5:51pm
Left Right and Centre

jedmo – you might’ve heard of the ‘dropkick exchange rate’. At the moment the Aussie dropkick departing for NZ is buying twenty Kiwi dropkicks heading for the streets paved with Gold Coast.

It’s very weak in favour of Kiwi dropkicks and so they get less accordingly. When it drops to about 1:50 – Kiwis will be right down there with boat people on the welcome list.
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February 5, 2014 5:53pm
Steve (North Shore)

Waitangi Day. Wonder if that crazy Green nutbar Catherine Delahunty is going to tell us about ‘Waka and Watermelons’ this year?
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February 5, 2014 5:59pm
Longknives

TVNZ you are a fucking disgrace.
Fancy having Sue Bradford jnr interviewing a protester wearing a Mana Party T-Shirt and trying to pass this off as impartial/unbiased news.
I’m starting to think TV1 are even worse than TV3…
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February 5, 2014 6:11pm
Manolo

Meeting not of the minds, but of the Kenyans:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2551978/Barack-Obama-awkwardly-hugs-half-brother-newly-released-home-video-two-reuniting-20-years.html
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February 5, 2014 6:12pm
johnwellingtonwells

From TV1 News – Trevor Mallard is Labour’s Animal Welfare spokesman! No further comment necessary
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February 5, 2014 6:13pm
Reid

I’m starting to think TV1 are even worse than TV3…

Crikey. Really? Will this crapulence ever end? I’m starting to think the only possible outcome for our MSM telly is pitchforks and torches interrupting the 6 o’clock bulletins then following a Paul Henry late-night special on the angry crowd, it’s pistols at dawn for the miscreants. I predict John Campbell would be a big baby, facing Simon Dallow at twenty paces.
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February 5, 2014 6:21pm
nasska

Ryan Sproull @ 5.11pm

I’m probably going to regret taking the bait as I have a suspicion that you intend to do a ‘Pas de poisson’ on the head of a pin.

The remark is usually attributed to former President ‘Dinner Jacket’ Ahmadinejad & Muslim cuddlers from far & wide have seized on the possible mistranslation of what he actually spoke but…..

….” in the 1980s Khomeini gave a speech in which he said in Persian “Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” This means, “This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time.” But then anonymous wire service translators rendered Khomeini as saying that Israel “must be wiped off the face of the map,” which Cole and Nourouzi say is inaccurate.

Ahmadinejad slightly misquoted Khomeini, substituting “safheh-i ruzgar,” or “page of time” for “sahneh-i ruzgar” or “arena of time.” But in any case, the old translation was dug up and used again by the Iranian news agency,”….

Either way it would be extremely difficult to misconstrue the message as one of peace & love.

Ref: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad-really-say-israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map/2011/10/04/gIQABJIKML_blog.html
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February 5, 2014 6:24pm
Reid

extremely difficult to misconstrue the message as one of peace & love

Same difficulty arises when construing almost any of Israel’s messages toward anyone, let alone those in its conquered territories, but for some reason, that contradiction never registers on the radars of most people in the western world.

Isn’t that peculiar.

Another thing that’s peculiar is that most people in the western world appear to hallucinate, quite in contradiction to how they envisage other nations, that Iran is in total lockstep with whatever a single person says and whatever that person says, why that must be the national sentiment, how could it be otherwise, in their minds; and these poor people hallucinate this without even consciously processing it. Whereas those self-same people see layers upon layers of opinion within almost every other country. For example those self-same people don’t hallucinate that all Zimbabweans think like Mugabe, they don’t even hallucinate that all North Koreans think like Jong Un, but they do precisely that with the President of Iran.

Isn’t that peculiar.

Well, not really if you understand media manipulation of collective [sub]consciousness, but I’m sure it’s peculiar to those who don’t understand that.
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February 5, 2014 6:36pm
nasska

Reid

For all of what you wrote surely you would concede that most people have a predetermined position & seek facts & quotations that reinforce their views. For instance, imagine a hypothetical situation where Benjamin Netanyahu made a speech with a throw away line containing a promise to turn Iran into a sheet of glass.

Can you honestly tell us that you would conduct a door to door survey of every house in Tel Aviv before you postulated that the man meant what he said?
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February 5, 2014 6:47pm
RF

I presume the low life scum dwellers who frequent the standard visit Kiwi Blog. I am unable to understand how these fuck wits call themselves Kiwis. The fact they are in bed with the green Taliban identifies them as nothing but communists who are trying to bring this country to its knees.

May they all rot in hell.
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February 5, 2014 6:58pm
Ross12

Longknives

You can add Newstalk ZB to your list. Just heard earlier on the news the Green MP talking about the Waihopai vandals not being pushed for Court costs. The greenie said they had been exonerated by the court and ZB let it go. How could the Govt. lawyers have been considering going for costs if they had been exonerated. The Greens are just bloody liars on most things.
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February 5, 2014 7:00pm
Reid

surely you would concede that most people have a predetermined position & seek facts & quotations that reinforce their views

nasska I’m a specialist in analytical philosophy and have been since my early twenties. Some thirty years on and having observed lots of life I concur with your perspective, but just because it’s a common practice doesn’t make it correct – either logically or psychologically. Philosophy, contrary to what many think, does not involve sitting in a mountain cave growing a beard, it is the science of thinking. It teaches one how to process not facts, but logic. And logic while it may produce a fallacious conclusion if the premises are incorrect, does not allow for emotion. One’s views are formed from a combination of emotion and fact and the foremost participant in any internal thinking process as any psychologist will explain, are not the facts, but the emotion. And emotion is desperately defended, since one’s ego is at stake. This is why political discussion is emotional, since each participant is convinced not only they are correct, but that they are righteously so.

Do you think of Iran, Zimbabwe and NK as I described? I don’t expect you to answer but if you do, then IMO this means you’ve been influenced by the media memes. Of course you rationalise to yourself all sorts of “logical” bases for your perspective, lest you experience ego-damaging cognitive dissonance within your psyche. I postulate most of that thinking boils down to “almost all Muslims are insane and Iran is the worst of the bunch.” I know more is going on in you than just that short precis but does it boil down to approximately that? If so, I suggest you ask yourself: why do I think that?

We have never met although as you know we have a mutual friend, but I’d suggest a possible answer to your “why” is because emotionally you cannot countenance a threat toward Israel. Again, ask yourself why.

And so forth.

That’s the approach nasska, if you wish to free yourself from the automaton programming inculcated in you and all of us via the media, through the items they select to report on, to the words they use to describe said items and most importantly, the emotional cues they deliver during said presentation.

The reason it’s never worked on me is because philosophy teaches you how to separate emotion from logic and I’ve practised that all my life.

It’s been a long, winding road but these days, I don’t need to ask Tel Aviv residents how they feel, because I don’t care – it’s not relevant to the question of: is Iran a threat. At least in the logical world, it’s not relevant. It’s very relevant of course in the emotional world the media has been busily meming everyone into re: Iran and it’s relative threat or otherwise to – gasp – Iswael. The very fact you asked that question is another why question to ask yourself.
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February 5, 2014 7:16pm
mandk

@ Ryan Sproull

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4thIsiCYqMg

Piers Morgan tired and tried and tried to get the bloke to deny that it was Iran’s intention to wipe Israel off the map, but he wouldn’t. Just watch the interview and it will be clear.
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February 5, 2014 7:26pm
nasska

Reid

All fair & reasoned comment but two points:

1) ….”logic while it may produce a fallacious conclusion if the premises are incorrect, does not allow for emotion”….Maybe, in more cases than you think, the failure to regurgitate the “correct” answer lies in the info imputs rather than emotion. The old saw ‘garbage in, garbage out’ seems pertinent.

2) ….”Do you think of Iran, Zimbabwe and NK as I described?”….. That would be a factor although the responsibilities associated with the self determination of the people as a group is the largest influence on the way I create an opinion. Both Zimbabwe & North Korea are ruled by long term dynasties of dictators. These despots have manipulated all the justice & electoral means for peaceful revolution & hold power very effectively at the point of a gun. The people have zero say.

Iran goes through the motions of a form of democracy & it is possible to express a viewpoint contrary to that of the ruling Ayatollahs….at least until they can find an excuse to torture & kill whoever may be so bold. As such the population have a limited means of dissent…..the fact that they don’t indicates to me that their President’s proclamations are fairly much in step with those of the people he claims to represent.
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February 5, 2014 7:38pm
Left Right and Centre

We’re looking for a fully trade qualified and experienced specialist in analytical philosophy….

No, I’ve never seen that anywhere either 🙂
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February 5, 2014 7:42pm
nasska

It was on the back page LR&C. 🙂
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February 5, 2014 7:46pm
Left Right and Centre

I wonder if people in Iran give a hoot about NZ’s poltical system ? Are they on ‘Iranblog’ battling it out for intellectual supremacy ?
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February 5, 2014 7:50pm
nasska

When the moon hits your eye, Like a big pizza pie,
That’s amoré.

When an eel bites your hand, And that’s not what you planned,
That’s a moray.

When your horse munches straw, And the bales total four,
That’s some more hay.

When a Japanese knight, Wields his sword in a fight,
That’s Samurai.

When your sheep go to graze, In a damp marshy place,
That’s a moor, eh?

When you ace your last tests, Like you did all the rest,
That’s some more “A”s!

When at Waitangi you see, An aborigine,
That’s a Maori.
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February 5, 2014 8:00pm
Left Right and Centre

I’ve caught some gorgeous Foodwash on TV (sound muted naturally). Fridge.co.nz

Who’s turn is it now ? Which vested interest is trying to sign you up ?

Why it’s…. Dairy products !! Three serves a day. That’s good England to start with. Three servings ? Helpings ? Portions ?

3 Dairy A Day – AOK. Mmmmm – very catchy.

You don’t need animal products. Vegans don’t magically drop dead.

It’s more bullshit lies about what people need to eat. What a pack of lying arseholes.

I love their tasty treats for the lunchbox page. http://www.fridge.co.nz/tasty-treats-for-the-lunchbox/

Look at all those fucking awesome ingredients for recipes. Lots of flour and sugar. Brilliant !!

How many parents have got time to whip up those astronomic gastronomic atrocities, huh? Or know what a recipe is ?

Pikelets, muffins, cupcakes and Greek yoghurt dip. Very healthy lunch choices for a child. What are they smoking mate ?

And they say – these recipes are a great way of introducing fussy eaters to their unnecessary bullshit animal products. Good one losers !!
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February 5, 2014 8:04pm
Steve (North Shore)

Nasska,
When you get hit with a jug
in a South Auckland pub
That’s a Hori
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February 5, 2014 8:35pm
Jack5

Gump posted at 5.49: “So a single midwife delivers poor care, and you consider that an indictment against all midwives? “

Midwives’ reintroduction was a victory for feminists. It was stupid because women will soon be the majority of doctors coming out of medical schools. Without the midwives change, NZ mothers would soon be able to choose care by fully educated women obstetricians rather than by just midwives.

Here’s a view on midwives, a little dated (2010), but to show that some people think the reintroduction of midwives has been retrograde for NZ mothers and babies:

There has been a recurring problem of midwives not calling for help when a delivery becomes complicated, resulting in distress for mothers and, sometimes, death for babies.

Gump in another post in this thread expresses pride in Scotland legalising gay marriage. I bet Gump doesn't support Scotland's Catholic midwives in their stand against abortion.

Some clippings on unease about midwives (as compared with obstetricians):

http://mandenomusings.wordpress.com/2010/06/05/another-baby-killed-by-a-midwife/

AND:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/3793293/First-midwife-in-bungled-birth-case-had-drug-issues

AND MORE RECENT:

http://www.scene.co.nz/queenstown-mums-horror-birth-subject-of-midwifes-alleged-misconduct/307077a1.page

AND A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10814952

AND – Scots midwives’ stand on abortion

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2013/april/christian-midwives-win-abortion-fight-in-scotland.html
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February 5, 2014 8:35pm
Johnboy

Jeeze Reid. I’ve sat up on top of various mountains, sheltered in the odd rock overhang, even grown a beard and thought I was becoming rather philosophical as the years flash by and now you tell me it’s all shit! 🙂
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February 5, 2014 8:36pm
Johnboy

Waitangi Te Kawhai…….Fish, a wee sausage and a scoopfull of kumaras chipping away! 🙂
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February 5, 2014 8:39pm
Johnboy

Evening minus! 🙂
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February 5, 2014 8:42pm
Steve (North Shore)

Ha! that was me Johnboy. I beat the minus – ahead of the first
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February 5, 2014 8:46pm
MT_Tinman

a fully trade qualified and experienced specialist in analytical philosophy

Is that someone who has learnt to fold his own tinfoil hat?
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February 5, 2014 9:08pm
wiseowl

i know everyone scrolls past PG’s posts but I have to take him to task.

The Treaty is NOT NOT NOT a partnership.!!!!!!
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February 5, 2014 9:10pm
Johnboy

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/9689280/Obesity-link-to-economic-freedom-study

Kim Jong Un……The exception that proves the rule! 🙂
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February 5, 2014 9:17pm
Reid

now you tell me it’s all shit

Will anyone care or even remember in a hundred years Johnboy?

Then, it almost certainly is shit.

Sorry about that.

This is why jokes are important.

Maybe, in more cases than you think, the failure to regurgitate the “correct” answer lies in the info imputs rather than emotion.

Yeah, but all humans are capable of a heck of a lot more than we think we are, and we sell ourselves short by handing over our thinking to those who wish to subconsciously manipulate us into anything. Think not just of how the most cultured and civilised nation in Europe got sucked into that in the 1930’s but also how Americans have allowed their leaders over the last two decades to tank that great nation. Same thing, different time, different place. And those are just two of many examples.

That would be a factor although the responsibilities associated with the self determination of the people as a group is the largest influence on the way I create an opinion.

So when Hulun was in power did you think her movement to push NZ away from our traditional allies and toward the non-aligned nations was a reflection of our national will? And if Key had continued that push for who knows what reason, do you think we as a people could or even would have done anything about it, if the media hadn’t raised a hue and cry, which they probably would not have, since they didn’t when Hulun started it? Most people on the street wouldn’t have even known it was happening. Why would Iran or any other country for that matter, be any different to us in terms of the variance between the street think and the political think?
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February 5, 2014 9:24pm
Left Right and Centre

Fat girl wants Disney to use fat princesses in their cartoons….

I’m so sorry – the language of fatties in denial – ‘plus-size’. Trying to make ‘size elephant’ sound acceptable.

Yeah, you don’t need to lose weight – you’re just ‘plus-size’. Sure.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/beauty/beauty-news/9688267/Teen-petitions-Disney-for-plus-size-princesses

Young women are bombarded with the impossible ‘skinny standard’ and made to feel ugly. Fair enough if you’re not naturally stick thin. No excuse for being obese though. You are physically unattractive at the obesity level. If that’s ‘unfair’ well too bad, that’s the truth and no amount of PC pretending is going to change that. Quite rightly, no-one should produce a piece of entertainment that encourages a lifestyle of obesity using fat characters as ‘role models’.

It’s the fat rights movement. American idiocy strikes again. They’ll do whatever it takes to gain acceptance, apart from diet and exercise.
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February 5, 2014 9:50pm
MH

What’s wrong with this country, Do we have to get Graham McCready to prosecute those wankers that destroyed defence ppty at Waihopi ? Is there nothing sacrosanct anymore,can a person sink one of HM’s NZ warships,down an Air force plane,shine lasers in the pilots eyes, because he she doesn’t agree with its function or intelligent gathering patrol capabilities which may involve radio monitoring of terrorist activities and passing that on to allies… Doesn’t seem to have raised much ire,we pragmatically accept- after all 12 ? jurors have said they were morally right to do wilful damage under some lame law which a limp judge allowed to be misinterpreted rather than guide them or at least dismiss the jury as being unsound. So we can burn down schools,and none takes responsibility ? These smug bastards have got away with murder,a deliberate and planned attack on govt ppty. I’d prosecute them to poverty levels and beyond,what message does it give,I can’t understand the Govt doing nix. Where’s our PM on this?
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February 5, 2014 10:43pm
Reid

Any guesses on this one?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550486/Beloved-pop-star-abused-10-year-old-boy-Alleged-victim-witness-spoken-Savile-police-officers.html

Anyone who’s been following Saville will know.

Unless of course they’ve only been looking at the MSM.
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