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Kea

[kowtow (6,236 comments) says:
February 3rd, 2014 at 8:08 am
It appears Muslims …]

I appears Jews ….

How the Jews Treat Christians in Israel – It’s Serious!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jG6kJm-50k
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February 3, 2014 12:36pm
wikiriwhis business

100 Bitcoin ATMs coming to Australia

Australian Bitcoin ATMs is a company that does exactly what you think it does: roll-out Bitcoin ATMs around this great country of ours. Now the company has announced it will soon open 100 Bitcoin ATMs around the country so you can convert your digital currency to physical dollars on the street.

The ATMs will facilitate the conversion of Bitcoin to physical currency, and vice versa

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30013977/100-bitcoin-atms-coming-to-australia

reserve Banks must have gotten of top of Bitcoin. Find it hard to get into NZ for ATM’s
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February 3, 2014 12:42pm
Kea

kowtow (6,236 comments) says:
February 2nd, 2014 at 9:42 am
The joys and benefits of immigration and multiculturalism and the diversity it brings us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBn4kqGvk_Y

Racist Jew to Anthony Weiner [A Jew] : ” You are Married to an Arab”
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February 3, 2014 12:43pm
Reid

Are you really suggesting that only religious fanatics are capable of good works?

No bb, why on earth would you read anything like that into the words I used?

I would suggest that non religious people do more of these “good works” than religious fanatics

Yes there are a few who take time off work to go overseas and do something like work at a school for awhile, which is great, one wishes it was a more common practice than it is.

non religious people do “good works” for more pure reasons than religious fanatics.

And how would you know that, bb? Do you really know the inner motivation of every single person both religious and non-religious, or are you just assuming you do?
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February 3, 2014 12:47pm
Kea

Reid you ignore the bible and the rules and morality laid down in it. If you are a good person it is in spite of your blind faith, not because of it.

[Blasphemy is Punishable by Death

One who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death; the whole congregation shall stone the blasphemer. Aliens as well as citizens, when they blaspheme the Name, shall be put to death. (NRSV) — Leviticus 24:16

People Who Work on Sunday Should be Killed

You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must be a Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day dedicated to the LORD. Anyone who works on that day must be put to death. (NLT) — Exodus 35:2

If a Woman is Not a Virgin When She Gets Married, She Has to Die

“If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and detests her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, ‘I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin,’ … and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones … (NKJV) — Deuteronomy 22:13-14,20-21

Women Should Shut the Hell Up and Do as They’re Told

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (NIV) — Timothy 2:11-12]

Now you will attempt to respond:

1. Out of context… which is simply to say you approve of those things, just so long they are in context.

2. The New Testament and Jesus changed those laws… which is a blatant inexcusable lie.

[So first, here is Jesus speaking specifically on the topic of Old Testament teachings:

The Law Stands

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19

“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)

Keep in mind, this is Jesus Christ saying this–in the Bible that all Christians own and cherish. Don’t take my word for it; look it up–it’s all there.

So now that we understand that he fully supported what’s in the Old Testament, let’s take a look at what he actually just commanded us to uphold.]

http://www.danielmiessler.com/blog/no-jesus-did-not-soften-the-old-testament-in-fact-he-did-the-opposite-and-heres-what-that-means

No wonder even the Jews hate your guts.
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February 3, 2014 12:55pm
stephieboy

Kea , you give a highly distorted view of Christians and Israel. As group they receive the same rights equal protection of the laws as do other Israeli citizens. This is not to say there are tensions between certain elements, especially proselytizing and messianic Christian sects and ultra orthodox Jews.
Thankfully so far no one has been hacked to death or blown up by a suicide bomber.
But at least proselytizing in Israel , you’ll be happy to learn, is not a capital crime with the death penalty as In Saudi Arabia and Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel#Christianity

I undertand that your lack of a response to Pat Condell’s support for Israel’s right to exist and his view that the Palestinian cause is a bogus one indicates agreement with him.?
Your latest quotes do require context and not read in isolation from prior or subsequent versus .
A complementary quote from your Koran would a good idea for comparison .
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February 3, 2014 1:03pm
Kea

stephieboy, no my view is not distorted and I know even Muslims receive the same rights equal protection of the laws as do other Israeli citizens. A Muslim who visited there told me that first hand.

But you are avoiding my point.

You never point out to kowtow that most Muslims do not behave that way. You never point out how Christians, Jews and Muslims mostly live together in harmony. Your are full of shit and do not hold the beliefs and values you are pretending to hold.
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February 3, 2014 1:08pm
Kea

I am still considering if it is ok to displace native inhabitants to create a religious disneyland for one group of people.

I tend to agree with these Jewish scholars and religious experts:

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm
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February 3, 2014 1:11pm
stephieboy

Kea (10,195 comments) says:
February 3rd, 2014 at 1:11 pm

Muslims , Christians and Jews as a general rule do live together in relative harmony in Israel.
Your stating the pretty obvious, really.!
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February 3, 2014 1:23pm
Lance

@stephieboy and Reid

Told you so, many have gone before and tried to use logic with the Kea troll.
But alas he lives in a hate filled zone where vilification and distortion keep him warm at night.

Pretty much 99% of his 10K comments have been spitting hate at anybody who has faith in religion.

I suggest you are wasting your time and just pissing off everyone else who is over this sad little troll with his daily thread jacks. It’s meant to be GD not Kea’s personal echo chamber.
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February 3, 2014 1:23pm
Kea

Lance, why when I quote your bible and Jewish people do you attack me for what those sources say ?

Are you trying to tell us the bible does not say those things, and that Israeli news sources are lying in order to make themselves look bad ?

Logic my arse LOL 🙂
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February 3, 2014 1:28pm
Scott

Reidy – it is no use debating Kea. He is a fanatical anti-Christian, apparently raised in a Christian home, who now rails against everything his parents stood for. He is also a troll who makes inflammatory comments about religion all day long. Presumably he has all day and no other way to spend his time.

So I would respectfully suggest do not react to his comments. “Do not feed the troll” is I understand to be the appropriate advice here 🙂
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February 3, 2014 1:28pm
dirty harry

“But Patrick Gower chose to play the kingmaker card, ”

I find Gower not only the ugliest man on the tv , but an over the top full of his own self importance loon who would be better suited to haunting houses as a profession. Performances like his last night on TV3 severely undermine his credibility as a journalist.
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February 3, 2014 1:32pm
cha

21 – 0, Manning’s having a spectacularly bad day.
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February 3, 2014 1:41pm
Kea

Snott, got anything to say about the topic ? Thought not.

stephieboy, I am bored with you. Your dishonesty and lies make any debate impossible. You have even denied Israel receives any aid from the US, in spite of it being no secret and in spite of me showing Israeli newspaper articles talking about how they want more. You similarly denied that there was any Jewish lobby in the US, in spite of the well known and high profile existence of American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). You claimed I get info from hate sites, like Stormfront, when I supplied articles in support from mainstream popular Israeli news sources…. And it just goes on from there.

You are either dangerously stupid or just another nasty vile religious bigot… or possibly both. You are fortunate there is no hell for you to rot in.
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February 3, 2014 2:12pm
Fletch

Take a good long look at the results of socialism in Venezuela.
People queuing in a store to buy toilet paper.

CARACAS, Venezuela — On aisle seven, among the diapers and fabric softener, the socialist dreams of the late Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez looked as ragged as the toilet paper display.

Employees at the Excelsior Gama supermarket had set out a load of extra-soft six-roll packs so large that it nearly blocked the aisle. To stock the shelves with it would have been pointless. Soon word spread that the long-awaited rolls had arrived, and despite a government-imposed limit of one package per person, the checkout lines stretched all the way to the decimated dairy case in the back of the store.

“This is so depressing,” said Maria Plaza, 30, a lawyer, an hour and a half into her wait. “Pathetic.”

Pathetic, in a country with the world’s largest petroleum reserves and oil prices at nearly $95 a barrel, yet unable to supply basic goods because of its crumbling local currency and a shortage of U.S. dollars.

“Soon we’ll be using newspaper, just like they do in Cuba!” said an elderly man nearby, inching forward in line. “Yeah! Like Cuba!” others shouted.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/at-markets-chavez-successor-falls-short/2014/01/31/ac85c62a-8518-11e3-a273-6ffd9cf9f4ba_story.html
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February 3, 2014 2:14pm
Pete George

Gower has now turned to Winston, trying to extract some news from him – Opinion: Winston, stop talking waffle

He implies it’s not democratic if someone getting just over 5% can “decide who runs New Zealand” – Gower seems to mix the fact the others would need to also decide before Winston gets any shot at it.

And Gower is still getting way ahead of himself, saying “Peters only got just over five percent of the vote” – it was a single poll nine months before we get to vote.
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February 3, 2014 2:16pm
dirty harry

” But he’s a good kid..he shouldn’t be in jail “..welcome to reality lady..the well worn out race card aint gona work over there.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9680590/Kiwi-teen-jailed-in-Thailand
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February 3, 2014 3:10pm
muggins

Fletch
When I was a youngster we used to use the Weekly News and the NZ Free Lance for toilet paper.
Our toilet was a drum which we used to empty into the garden when it filled up. Grew great rhubarb.
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February 3, 2014 3:25pm
muggins

Fletch,
One of those magazines was called the Auckland Weekly,not the Weekly News.
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February 3, 2014 3:29pm
Pete George

Dene Mackenzie (ODT) has suggested a possible coincidence of Bill English resigning from the Clutha-Southland electorate…

English to transfer to list next year

Deputy Prime Minister Bill English will seek nomination for the National Party list and step down as member of Parliament for Clutha-Southland, which includes the Wakatipu, at the election next year.

…and his brother Connor English resigning as CEO at Federated Farmers.

Conor English resigns as Federated Farmers Chief Executive

“I grew up in a household that talked a lot about the three “P’s” – the Prime Minister, the Pope and the President of Federated Farmers. It has been a great privilege for me to lead this organisation in the capacity of CEO and to serve our fantastic farmers and rural community.

“2014 will be a year of change and excitement for me,” Mr English said.

We can be fairly sure it won’t be trying to go for Pope that is exciting him anyway.
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February 3, 2014 3:34pm
chiz

Meanwhile on TV1 tonight at midnight you can watch I shouldn’t be alive.

If the guide on TVNZ’s website is correct, tonight’s episode features Marni Sheppeard aka Kea.

Mind you, TVNZ’s website also claims that its repeating season 3 in which case it won’t be the Kea episode.
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February 3, 2014 3:56pm
ciaron

If the guide on TVNZ’s website is correct, tonight’s episode features Marni Sheppeard aka Kea.

I don’t buy it. In my experience people who have been through such episodes have a less… vitriolic… outlook on life.
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February 3, 2014 4:05pm
Kea

Keas don’t go trudging through the mountains with witless lesbians. They soar and float.

I don’t buy it. In my experience people who have been through such episodes have a less… vitriolic… outlook on life.

[cough]

http://arcadianomegafunctor.blogspot.co.nz/

Wrong again 🙂
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February 3, 2014 4:22pm
MH

I told Key we need more English in schools not parliament.
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February 3, 2014 5:01pm
Reid

Interesting analysis of the Chinese banking sector.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/10611931/The-15-trillion-shadow-over-Chinese-banks.html
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February 3, 2014 5:26pm
nasska

Reid

Assuming that the yuan is in trouble, the dollar is stuffed & the Euro flaky what do you see as the currency of the future?
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February 3, 2014 5:35pm
Steve (North Shore)

Anyone would think it is the full moon. Hang about, the new moon has just passed, just as bad for the lunatics.
That would explain the nutbars here today
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February 3, 2014 5:46pm
Reid

Not sure nasska but I think it will be a new global one backed by gold, which they’ll launch once the fiat money debacle unravels but there’s other things that will happen leading up to that like hyperinflation and a nuclear + biological war.
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February 3, 2014 5:55pm
Kea

Reid, you are dreaming if you think gold is the answer. All that will happen is the price of gold will go up to allow the printing of more money. The price of gold is not its intrinsic practical value. It is what the market says it is. As long a money is issued as debt we will always have this problem. I am not sure of the answer, but it is not gold. Our present system is actually ok, if countries don’t take-the-piss in the way the US and others have.
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February 3, 2014 6:03pm
nasska

Reid

Then it would seem that the national likely to be ruler of the world post a financial apocalypse & a survivable nuclear war would be they who have the most gold stashed & are able to hold on to it.

Who are the leading contenders, present day?
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February 3, 2014 6:03pm
nasska

Kea

It may be that a new system of reserve banking will emerge but in the interim the new currency would have to be backed by something tangible. As Reid prophesied gold would be the likely standard.
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February 3, 2014 6:07pm
nasska

Reid

Re my 6.03…..nation, not national.
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February 3, 2014 6:13pm
Kea

nasska, the other problem is the amount of gold is not linked to the countries productivity. So the country could be highly productive, but not able to expand due to a shortage of gold. I guess the reverse could happen also. It is an attractive idea until you really start to think about it.

I certainly agree that something needs to be done about the current situation which is an absurd one.
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February 3, 2014 6:17pm
nasska

Kea

If the financial system crashes productivity, trade, alliances, in fact anything we value now will be wiped away & whoever is left will pick up the pieces & start again. I suspect the UN will try for the big takeover but as human nature normally triumphs in any given situation I’m still backing the nation with the gold & a loyal army.

Who would it be?
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February 3, 2014 6:31pm
Kea

nasska, I believe the financial system will probably crash. In fact I think it has already but no one is willing to call it as everyone will suffer. So they just keep on pretending its all ok out of self interest. The US is so hopelessly in debt it has no chance of ever paying it back. It has to borrow just to pay the interest. And some others are not much better off.

It seems reasonable to assume that countries with essential goods will emerge better off. And those whose wealth is largely tied up in funny money will suffer. Singapore might do poorly and Thailand better, for example.
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February 3, 2014 6:40pm
wiseowl

Gold is being bought up large by people in India and China.
The gold price is being manipulated bigtime and is seriously undervalued.

The gold standard will become important again.
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February 3, 2014 6:48pm
Kea

“The gold price is being manipulated bigtime”

wiseowl, which is precisely why the gold standard will not work. It is worth what people say it is, same as fiat currency.
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February 3, 2014 6:59pm
nasska

….”It is worth what people say it is, same as fiat currency.”…..

But it actually exists Kea….you can touch it, weigh it, have it tested. If the system we have now crashes there will be a complete lack of trust in fiat currencies for a very long time.
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February 3, 2014 7:06pm
Kea

nasska, you do realise that a return to gold does not mean people will be running around carrying actual gold ? They will have money to signify the value of it so…
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February 3, 2014 7:17pm
nasska

Kea

If you’re talking of buying milk & bread at the local retailer you’re spot on. International trade, which is what counts, will be either gold backed or conducted by the barter system.
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February 3, 2014 7:29pm
Kea

nasska, countries have tried that, but they develop human rights problems and get attacked by the US soon after.
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February 3, 2014 7:33pm
bc

Shocked and saddened to hear about the death of Philip Seymour Hoffman.
A truly superb character actor. One of the best.
What a loss.
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February 3, 2014 7:58pm
nasska

Laugh….& the whole (non-Muslim) world laughs with you.
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February 3, 2014 8:01pm
nasska

Defenceless lamb flees from vicious predator with a taste for kidney fat. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/aiet8zotf7b4kxp/Kea%209.jpg
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February 3, 2014 8:28pm
Kea

nasska, not as hard as they laughed when a couple of office blocks collapsed. And not nearly as hard as when they lured the US into the desolate Afghan mountains to die like flys, while they enjoyed their 72 virgins.

It is good we can all laugh about these things, I am sure you agree 🙂
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February 3, 2014 8:28pm
Viking2

So Selling old assets and building new is good business then.

NSW seen as world’s infrastructure capital thanks to $85b in projects, says Mike Baird

The O’Farrell government’s strategy of selling public assets and using the capital to fund new infrastructure has helped Australia to become the “centre of attention” for the global infrastructure industry, Treasurer Mike Baird says.

When Mr Baird met international infrastructure investors in Japan, Singapore and Britain last month he found them excited about the opportunities in NSW and across the country.

“They have effectively dubbed NSW, and more broadly Australia, the infrastructure capital of the world over the next three to five years,” he said. “That’s good news because it’s going to help tackle the infrastructure backlog.”

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-seen-as-worlds-infrastructure-capital-thanks-to-85b-in-projects-says-mike-baird-20140202-31v07.html#ixzz2sF8QSDKR

Since taking office in 2011, the O’Farrell government has privatised the Sydney desalination plant, Port Botany and Port Wollongong and will “recycle” the capital raised to fund new infrastructure.
Advertisement

The long-term leases of the Port of Newcastle and the state-owned electricity generator Macquarie Generation will be finalised before the state budget is handed down in June. The lease of the state-owned Delta Electricity is due to be completed by the end of this year.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-seen-as-worlds-infrastructure-capital-thanks-to-85b-in-projects-says-mike-baird-20140202-31v07.html#ixzz2sF901VhM
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February 3, 2014 8:49pm
Viking2

nasska (8,810 comments) says:
February 3rd, 2014 at 5:35 pm

Reid

Assuming that the yuan is in trouble, the dollar is stuffed & the Euro flaky what do you see as the currency of the future?
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Probably Bitcoin naaska.

https://bitcoin.org/en/
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February 3, 2014 8:59pm
Viking2

That Abbott fellow is showing Key the way.

8:01am: A quarter of Australia’s public schools could turn independent by 2017, with the Federal Government announcing a $70 million plan this morning.

The move fulfils an election promise in which the $70 million will be spent on getting parents and principals to have more say on school curriculums, budgets and management.

“Sure it is a tight budgetary situation but the prime minister and I have agreed that $70 million is about right to give this the kick along that we want to see happen,” Education Minister Christopher Pyne told ABC radio.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morning-express/morning-express-luxury-yacht-destroyed-in-fire-20140203-31vko.html#ixzz2sFBhk0Dr
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February 3, 2014 9:02pm
Pete George

John Deben ‏@lorddeben

If we accept advice of 95% of scientists & they’re wrong we’ve cleaned atmosphere. If we deny them & they’re right we’ve buggered the planet

That’s a reasonable point.
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February 3, 2014 10:07pm
Kea

PG, CO2 is not a pollutant. If you cleaned the atmosphere of it all life on earth would die.

You could apply the same reasoning to eliminating fire breathing dragons and Unicorn invasions with equal validity. Just think up some scenario add (if) to it. It is a popular type of crappy reasoning with religious ignoramuses; But if your wrong you will go to hell …
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February 3, 2014 10:17pm
Samuel Smith

DPF’s poll of polls doesn’t paint a good picture for the Far Right.

Remove the Maori seats and Epsom from the equation and then do the maths.
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February 3, 2014 11:57pm
ciaron

Marni, as a rule, I try not to take too much notice when someone is “outed”. It is poor form to remove someones anonymity and quite often misdirected. I stand corrected.
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