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February 2, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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February 2, 2014 9:09pm
Rowan

Big Blouse @ 6.42
Says he with no ‘evidence’ or even any reasoning behind his posts, If you actually look at the list that Nickb put up, there is nothing on it that is not wild assumption or pure conjecture.
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February 2, 2014 9:20pm
Ben Dover

The challenge of growing potatoes honed the minds of the ancient Irish to a razor like keenness Kea.
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Yes racism against the Irish is still Rife in the Land of the Kiwibird

It’s about as funny as a Holocaust joke isn’t it SCUM BAG
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February 2, 2014 9:23pm
stephieboy

“David’s bloody palm print on the washing machine was from him checking the bodies.”

An established fact or more speculation.? Nevertheless, again a very convenient explanation.!

And thus ,he didn’t sort through Robin’s alleged bloody clothes in the wash basket after all..?

and,

“Wrong, there was blood on Robin Bain that was in places that couldn’t have come from his own wound, but was not tested by police to determine whose blood it was.”

Wrong gain. ! Dr Sally Harbsion’s examination of Robin’s trousers and other clothes he died in was in fact very extensive and comprehensive , Just look at the numerous gaping holes taken as samples for DNA testing.So much so that it forced the Defence to find another explanation as to why that might be so .This was the ludicrous and simply silly explanation that he got changed out of his bloody clothes into his sunday best to meet his maker. That in turn was dropped with attention to the minuscule drops of blood found on his hands . That was in turn miraculously turned into copious quantities of blood that begged the obvious question why none of his fingerprints appeared on the bloodied rifle.? But David’s and Stephen’s did.
And so it goes on
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February 2, 2014 9:34pm
Ben Dover

You do realise of course that this pile of dirt was formed before the Romans forced Christianity on the native Brits and displaced their pagan beliefs with a cult imported from the Middle East ? Given your newly found interest in historical facts, I am sure you do.

You are a joke
Celtic Christianity saved you primitives from your own Dark Age

The Romans nor anyone else ever did or ever will conquer the British Isles completely you twerp

Hadrian Wall mean anything to you

It was a captured Roman British Slave that allowed christian conversion with out Violence
you ignorant twerp

yes and we know full well you sent your Heathen Armies to Destroy Christianity in The British Isles
and they like everyone else came a croper

The Anglican Christianity that NZ is founded on still has a Celtic British Influence that is why
YOUR HEAD OF STATE IS THE HEAD OF THE ARMY AND THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH

IT IS THAT WAY SO THAT THE ENGLISH THE BRITISH AND THE IRISH REMAIN FREE
AND SO CHRISTIANITY ENDURES

BECAUSE EVERY ONE KNOWS YOU LITTLE ARROGANT TWERPS ARE OUT TO DESTROY
ANY THING GOOD IN ANY PART OF THE WORLD INCLUDING NZ

A CULT IMPORT FROM THE MIDDLE EAST BEFORE YOU CHANGE THE NZ FLAG
YOU SHOULD TAKE A TRIP TO THE MIDDLE EAST

You beg the protection of the state and then mock it in the same sentence
it was ANZACS that allowed you little state of Israel to exist

DON’T YOU FORGET THAT

We can see the planned destruction of christianity in every thing you say and everything your do

and the CHILD MURDER STATS OF YOU CORRUPT little

South Pacific State which is a Farce
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February 2, 2014 9:37pm
kowtow

Ben Dover

Not to worry about nasska >He hones his tongue on kea’s arse.
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February 2, 2014 9:37pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Drrh… stephieboy, the samples from the ‘trousers’ were thrown out because the ‘boys’ didn’t like blood being kept at the Dunedin Police Station. Of course the trousers were kept. Try ‘reporting’ something accurate, where ever your ‘orders’ are coming from the lights have gone out. But stop beating about the bush and tell me why Robin’s blood was in the barrel of the rifle and who he had been fighting when he got those blood smears on his palms. Thanks.
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February 2, 2014 9:39pm
Kea

Ben Dover, you might want to get that sticky caps lock key looked at 🙂
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February 2, 2014 9:40pm
Pete George

Of interest are the fortunes of Labour, moving up – particularly with the ‘family support’ proposal.

Only the last two days of the poling period covered that baby bonus announcement and it’s unraveling so would have only hard a small effect on the poll result.

It’s more significant that National dropped a bit and that seems to have been picked up by NZ First. Far too soon to talk about trends, a one off poll just as the political year is awakening can’t be taken as very meaningful on it’s own.
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February 2, 2014 9:42pm
stephieboy

Rowan these facts relating to the funeral arrangements are beyond, dispute f. David Bain insisted that Robin and Margaret were to be cremated and the three children buried, with a fourth plot left empty for him to occupy later, as he wanted to be buried with his siblings. He even stipulated the positioning of each body within the grave, Arawa with Stephen, him with Laniet.

A bit over the top IMO.
Bu then thats PTSD for you.,maybe.?
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February 2, 2014 9:43pm
Kea

You are a joke
Celtic Christianity saved you primitives from your own Dark Age

The Romans nor anyone else ever did or ever will conquer the British Isles…yes and we know full well you sent your Heathen Armies to Destroy Christianity in The British Isles
and they like everyone else came a croper

“Heathen Armies” LOL 🙂

Mohammed is now the most popular name for baby boys ahead of Jack and Harry

Mohammed has become the most popular name for newborn boys in Britain.
It shot up from third the previous year, overtaking Jack, which had topped the list for the past 14 years but was relegated to third spot.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html
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February 2, 2014 9:48pm
Nostalgia-NZ

‘It’s more significant that National dropped a bit and that seems to have been picked up by NZ First. Far too soon to talk about trends, a one off poll just as the political year is awakening can’t be taken as very meaningful on it’s own.’

Exactly Pete, of course people who ‘poll’ votes cover a good spectrum of voters, not necessarily all analysts of fine detail, but still the majority view of voters nevertheless. The Greens took an increase as well during a period in which Russell Norman has been silent. Interesting stuff.
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February 2, 2014 9:50pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Stephieboy even seeks to ‘criticise’ how the funeral was arranged despite that David Bain was prevented from attending by those that benefitted financially from Robin’s death, but that’s JFRB for you – no proof just innuendo, lies and speculation.
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February 2, 2014 9:55pm
Kea

David Bain was prevented from attending by those that benefitted financially from Robin’s death

So Dave is not going for that compo now ?
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February 2, 2014 9:58pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Idiot.
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February 2, 2014 10:00pm
goldnkiwi

I guess there was no one else of ‘note’ at the Bain wedding then, that the ‘media thought worthy of a mention at any rate.
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February 2, 2014 10:15pm
Rowan

David asked for the funeral arrangements according to his parents wishes but thats somehow ‘creepy’ to the witch sniffers and cult that is JFRB
Drrh Stephieboy, There was extensive blood samples on Robin that were neither collected or tested. Dr Harbisons tests were a few samples from the clothing only, none of the blood on the hands was tested at all, given that there are extensive unidentifed prints all over the rifle and the fact that the chances of identifable prints are around 5% then your so called ‘evidence’ means very little.
Stephie can you remind me again how much human blood was found on the fingerprint samples taken? answer 0, why was that I wonder?
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February 2, 2014 10:16pm
stephieboy

Nostalgia are you now denying that Dr Sally Harbsion took any samples from Robin’s trousers etc for DNA analysis. The same also from David’s clothes for same.?
Some confusion on your part there,it appears
The blood in the silencer barrel canard again.?
Right inside or at the entrance.?
Remembering, as explained to you on numerous occasions, Boyce conceded under cross examination that a close contact shot did not preclude the possibility of homicide.
The blood smears etc on Robin’s hands.? In fact they were minuscule ,so much so that it was nigh on impossible to to get representative samples for blood group analysis .
Tell me though, if Robin was holding the gun as per Boyce’s demo ,why no arterial spray from his head wound ending up on his right hand , or wrist or sleeve of his jersey etc.?
A pity Boyce wan’t asked the likelihood of a right handed man shooting himself in his opposite temple let alone leaving the silencer on and putting his leg on the chair. Then falling down well away from the chair with an outstretched hand just missing the upright 10 shot magazine. Then Robin’s alleged bloodied hands leaving no fingerprints on the said magazine or the rifle. Recall Winnie did not have bloodied soiled hands and fingerprints were left on David’s gun .unlike Winnie’s .22
You can see the huge obstacles still ahead for the compo payout .
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February 2, 2014 10:21pm
Rowan

Stephie
Instead of trying to reargue all the points that the crown have already lost maybe you could show us what a real ‘expert’ you are and give the explanation for Robins death consistent with the evidence that Kieran Raftery couldn’t, i.e. How Robin was ‘shot’ with a close contact, upward trajectory shot, how he had allowed for his ‘murderer’ to have two go’s at firing the final bullet and how he didn’t notice either the computer light, sound or David hiding behind the curtains and stood in such a position to account for the blood splatter on the curtains and just happened to have impressions on his hands matching the rifle magazine. The foot on the chair is a scenario only consistent with the evidence, one more scenario than the crown have, but lets see our ‘expert’ Stephies scenario?
And you will have to do a lot better than that comedy clip from the freakshow ‘Marzuka’
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February 2, 2014 10:36pm
Ben Dover

Hey Kea

Imagine for a moment if I dared to PUT THE BOOT INTO JEWS
or Maories like you do the IRISH

Imagine the global Viral Uproar ever wondered why that is
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February 2, 2014 10:45pm
stephieboy

Rowan you’d be wrong re blood samples from Robin hands . Hentschel, I believe ,attempted to take samples but were found to be to small for group blood analysis,.
The samples taken from the trousers ,if you take the trouble and see .the photos, were numerous and big gaping holes. , indicate that Dr Harbison’s analysis ,was both comprehensive and extensive that it could ever possibly be. Have you ever bothered to look.? I wonder.?
Identifiable fingerprints.? Unidentifiable prints.?
Well some identifiable print s were found and definitely did not belong to Robin.
The tiny amounts’ of blood found on Robin’s hands indicate.obviously ,that it’s zilch highly unlikely that he ever handled the bloodied gun in the first place.

Dr Dempster found the wound Robin suffered was a “near contact wound”, but he considered suicide was unlikely because of the angle and trajectory of the bullet fired through Robin’s head.Even Dr Chapman ,even though he disagreed with Dr Dempster ,conceded that Dr Dempster was in a much better position to make such an assessment as he had only the photos to go by which he found not of good quality.
Furthermore ,for the umpteenth time, under cross examination Boyce also conceded that close contact wounds did not rule out homicide
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February 2, 2014 10:46pm
Rowan

Well you would again be wrong Stephie, the samples from the hands were not taken at all, yes I have looked.
Own goal re unidentifiable prints, what is the meaning of unidentifiable Stephie? Dunce
Instead of making yourself look stupid by making idiotic statements like the ones about the prints and the blood on Daddys hands why not answer the question that the crown can’t and provide the explanation for his ‘murder’
You are right about contact wounds for once, it only makes suicide around 95% more probable, so Stephie can you tell us how daddys murder fitted in the 5%?
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February 2, 2014 10:53pm
Ben Dover

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Mohammed is now the most popular name for baby boys ahead of Jack and Harry

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Gloating aren't you

Wonderful how they flock to enjoy the benefits of Christianity isn't it

Yes and that is what Multiculturalism is
the destruction of christianity by breeding
and another attempt at Genocide of White people

I am pro multiculturalism I think China and Israel and a few fundamentalist Islamic states
should practice it more

Perhaps NZ could send them Some Maories and Polynesians
and any one else to add to their MIX

I am sure they would return and give our Christian Methods
the thumbs up

Cultural Exchanges all for it
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February 2, 2014 10:54pm
Kea

Hey Kea

Imagine for a moment if I dared to PUT THE BOOT INTO JEWS
or Maories like you do the IRISH

Your new here ? LOL 🙂

And I actually agree with you. I also call all the above named groups to account and have nothing against the Irish.
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February 2, 2014 11:08pm
Rowan

Nostradmus @ 6.44
This is not a popularity contest, as if I care how many people down vote me idiot.
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February 2, 2014 11:14pm
Ben Dover

And I actually agree with you. I also call all the above named groups to account and have nothing against the Irish.

Go Slime someone else S cum bag

Here’s something to Ponder
JFK mentioned altering the Federal Reserve
10 days later he was Dead
50 year anniversary

Here’s something else you should know

Michael Joseph Savage
New Zealander of the Century
was Born in Victoria Australia

In the Same town as Ned Kelly to almost identical circumstances
He said he rebelled against the same things except used legal means

Did you know NZ once outlawed banned Irish Catholics from emigrating to your
politically backward primitive little Centre Right South Pacific Cess pit

Michael Joseph Savage (if alive)
would Laugh at YOU YOUR Country your pathetic sets of values or lack of
YOUR CHILD MURDER RATE your Violence your Drug abuse
Your blatant Racism

You and your country are a Joke

The only thing Bad about Aus is they seem to have let a few too many kiwi scum bags in

Did you know I had to get a fellow kiwi evicted what a laugh
No respect for other people there was a lady dieing of cancer
and these Kiwi scum kept here and her husband up with rowdy
noise as she was dieing

REAL SOUTH AUCKLAND SCUM THAT LOT
a real representation of NZ GVT policy

It is great not having to pay high taxes to have my life threatened by various ethnics
like what used to happen in RACIST NEW ZEALAND

always hiding behind the whitey law eh – or gangs

Multiculturalism is accepting all other cultures and then sh8tting on your own
isn’t it Mohamad

This is what they said
“I’ll come over your hedge and fark you up you white prick”

Don’t pretend your My MATE MATE
go slime up to your communist masters

I hear John Boy was on the phone to Israel
when Christchurch was in Ruins

That’d be Centre Right for you

Are the Somalians killing the Tongans in Owairaka

odd they were trying to stop

the Tongans killing Aborigines in Aus

Remember all your problems come from the big bad white man
and his christian system

If only you replace christianity with

a Head Hunting Cult pretending to be a Religion

all will be well

Because that is what they intend to do
and what is funnier still is your taxes are going to pay for it to happen
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February 3, 2014 12:12am
RichardX

Is be related to Harriet?
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February 3, 2014 1:06am
cha

related to Harriet?

Nah, harry-it copies and pastes.
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February 3, 2014 1:13am
stephieboy

Rowan let the documentation from the Royal Prerogative of mercy application have the final say where, as you will see Peter Hentschell, did make an attempt to take blood samples from Robin ‘s hands but were found to be to small para 113,

Detective Mark Lodge and Mr. Henstchel on the blood evidence

The blood evidence from Robin’s hands gathered by Detective Mark Lodge and forensic scientist Mr. Henstchel is as follows.

smear of blood on heal of thumb inside left hand
smear of blood on left little finger
no blood on right hand
splash of blood on nail of second right finger
spot of blood on outside of left thunb
scrapings from under Robins fingernails containung possible blood, were also noted by Mr. Hentschel.
Robin’s hands were also inspected by a detective in charge of the victims, who found dirt around the fingernails and in the creases of his hands. They did not appear to have been washed.
31 October 2000

Minister of Justice

APPLICATION FOR ROYAL PREROGATIVE OF MERCY:

DAVID CULLEN BAIN

Section 4.4 – Failure to preserve and analyze blood found on Robin Bain’s hand

112. The petitioner alleges that the Police and ESR failed to analyze blood stains on Robin’s hands and possibly under his fingernails. He claims that, had this been done, it may have indicated that the blood was from other family members, and that Robin had been involved in the killings.

113. As noted above, at trial defense counsel cross examined Dr Dempster on the identity of the blood on Robin’s hands, and drew the admission that the blood stain on the left index fingernail had never been analyzed. However, ESR case notes (taken by Mr Hentschel) indicate other samples from Robin’s hands, including swabs taken from Robin’s left little finger, and the base of his thumb, and scrapings from under his fingernails revealed insufficient blood for grouping to be made.

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So the conclusion that one should draw from the above information is that the blood on Robin’s hands was miniscule, as Mr. Hentschel stated “there was insufficient blood for grouping to be made”.
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