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February 17, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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dime

Watling will be hoping we don’t have to bowl tonight.. imagine doing squats after an innings like that!

203 run lead.. another 57 would be nice.
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February 17, 2014 4:16pm
Colville

Neesham needs to calm the fuck down!
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February 17, 2014 4:40pm
Colville

21 overs left in the day…

*SIX to McCullum to get his 250*

We need to bat all 21 overs and a few more…300 lead at days end.
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February 17, 2014 4:48pm
Fletch

I see the lefties have raised their idea of a “living wage” to $18.80 now….

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/living-wage-rate-increases-40c-5839063
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February 17, 2014 4:52pm
nickb

Hopefully “Little Lamb” Neesham can see Baz through to his triple…
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February 17, 2014 4:55pm
MT_Tinman

Neesham looks impressive.

NZ needs to bat until it rains tomorrow.
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February 17, 2014 4:59pm
Ryan Sproull

I see the lefties have raised their idea of a “living wage” to $18.80 now….

Their idea of a living wage is unchanged. The cost of living at that standard has gone up by 40c since it was last calculated.
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February 17, 2014 5:00pm
Nostalgia-NZ

The long innings is tough for NZ the batsmen, though a lot tougher for the Indian team whilst the NZ bowler’s rest for fireworks on day 5 maybe around lunch time.
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February 17, 2014 5:04pm
Colville

Neesham looks impressive.

NZ needs to bat until it rains tomorrow.

I doubt the rain will arrive in time.. predictions shows it still over top of SI at close of play.

However. Weathermen are liars!!!
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February 17, 2014 5:09pm
iMP

GO COLIN CRAIG. Suing Dr Russell Norman for derogatory comments made about him at the Big Gay Out. Hit em where it hurts; Enough of the mindless sanctimonious put downs of conservative-minded people in NZ.

Making the popcorn now to watch the squirming during the forthcoming Greens apology. Will Metiria pitch in too?
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February 17, 2014 5:44pm
stephieboy

Craig is political posturing IMO. Trying to crank up that 2.0% or something or rather
Colin welcome to election year.
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February 17, 2014 5:50pm
Colville

stephieboy.
There are tens of thousands of voters that would love to see Wussel squirm and apologise.
Myself included.
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February 17, 2014 5:57pm
nasska

Colville

It would be a fair bet that there’s a vast majority who are looking at both Craig & Norman behaving like kids in the sandpit & wish them both a pox on their houses.
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February 17, 2014 6:17pm
stephieboy

Colville

John Key has just, unfortunately for you, stated that, “f every time I sued anyone who misrepresented my statements then my lawyers would also be busy.”
Wussell ,unfortunately for you , is not backing down.
And again maybe ,unfortunately for you , Colin agrees a woman’s place is not only in the kitchen and that he would allow gays to join his party. ( Fletch will have hysterics over that.)
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February 17, 2014 6:20pm
Pete George

Those distracted by some sports game may have missed Paddy Gower breaking news – Shane Taurima using TVNZ to fundraise and build support for Labour, with help from other staff. Taurima has resigned.

Cunliffe says it’s not his responsibility.

3 News can reveal state broadcaster TVNZ is being used as a campaign base by Labour Party activists.
They’ve even held a meeting in TVNZ’s Maori and Pacific Unit aimed at fundraising for Labour.
The unit’s manager, Shane Taurima, has held ambitions to become a Labour MP and his staff have been arranging Labour Party business, using TVNZ facilities like email.
Mr Taurima has resigned following the revelation.
Mr Taurima’s a Labour Party activist. He could be standing as a Labour MP this election.
Documents obtained by 3 News show the state broadcaster is being used to help Labour’s cause.
Labour’s electorate committee for the Auckland Maori seat Tamaki Makarau has been using TVNZ as a base.

TVNZ manager resigns over fundraising revelations

I wonder what they’ll say at The Standard, they’ve been spitting about NZ Herald socialising at the Nines with Nationmal MPs (and Shane Jones).
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February 17, 2014 6:24pm
Pete George

Craig has got Norman playing his game. Greens now approve of personal attack politics and making things up about people, and Craig gets into the news.

And Norman is going to let him spin it out.
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February 17, 2014 6:28pm
nickb

Great innings, and I mean great, by BMac. Great support by Watling and Neesham also.

Hopefully we bat until at least lunch tomorrow, BMac gets a triple, and Neesham gets a debut ton
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February 17, 2014 6:31pm
dirty harry

Colin Craig is a good man. He will get my vote this year.
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February 17, 2014 6:31pm
big bruv

PG

Once again you have got it wrong. While I am no defender of the CCCP I think that Norman is coming across as the petulant wanker we all know he is.

Norman has history in matters such as this, every time he is pulled up he acts like a spoilt brat. I hope this does spin out and the public get to see more of Norman’s behaviour.
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February 17, 2014 6:34pm
dirty harry

” TVNZ is being used as a campaign base by Labour Party activists.”

Well I never…
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February 17, 2014 6:34pm
big bruv

I hope those uncultured oafs who have been known to say “I quite like the T20 and ODI games” now appreciate what real cricket is like.

The last two days play have been better than any T20 or ODI victory, this is what the game is all about.

Magnificent play by the NZ team.
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February 17, 2014 6:39pm
Pete George

bb – you’ve got me wrong on that, yes Norman looks petulant and he’s a bloddy great hypoicrite, and I’ve just had Turei trying to defend the new brand of Green personal attack politics, she failed to see her hypocrisy moaning at National criticising he.
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February 17, 2014 6:41pm
Steve (North Shore)

” TVNZ is being used as a campaign base by Labour Party activists.”

Wonder if TVNZ know they are being hoodwinked by the left? I mean, there are some pretty stupid people there and in other media; they just may not know 🙂
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February 17, 2014 6:46pm
duggledog

Steve, during Helen Clark’s last election campaign there were flyers posted on notice boards all around TVNZ urging workers not to vote National, and that everything was at stake etc etc.

They weren’t taken down either, they were simply left there. The place is like National Radio, full of people like Taurima. He’s dead meat now. Labour will turn its back on him. Good job, his attack on Paula Bennett was appalling, everyone knows he’s a hard core hater.
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February 17, 2014 6:57pm
stephieboy

Wussel Norman’s statement re Colin Craig,

“I stand by my views, made both in my opening speech to Parliament earlier this year and restated at the Big Gay Out on Sunday February 9.
“Colin Craig has said that gay relationships aren’t normal and that New Zealand women are promiscuous, I think those views are offensive.
“I and the Green Party are proud of our record of fighting for rights and freedoms for New Zealand women and the gay community. I think our position on these issues and Colin Craig’s are very different.
“It is clear to all that my statements were made within the context of political speeches, at the beginning of an election year.
“It is only right that politicians robustly set out their positions, and I think that if Colin Craig wants to enter the political debate he needs to accept the criticisms that are going to come his way. That is just part and parcel of robust political debate.
“Colin Craig now has a track record for making allegations of defamation if someone says something about his views that he doesn’t like. I don’t plan to back down from my statements because of a lawyer’s letter.
“New Zealanders want to hear freely from their politicians. Colin Craig appears to want all our statements run past lawyers. We are not going to engage in that style of politics.
“This election offers real choices for New Zealanders. And my message to women and gay New Zealanders is that I and the Green Party back your rights and freedoms.”

The last point ,John Key and National too.!
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February 17, 2014 7:15pm
nasska

I can never forgive Colin Craig for what he’s done…..for the first time ever in my life I find myself agreeing with something a Green has said.
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February 17, 2014 7:29pm
Rowan

Awesome stuff by B Mac and Watling, will be interesting to see if they decide to go for the win or play it safe for a 1-0, Maybe go for a whack, Still have Southee and even Boult can whack it a bit so if we went for some quick runs and gave the quicks 3 sessions to have a go at India and see if we can get 2-0 although not having a frontline spinner is a bit of a problem, maybe Williamson would need to bowl a few more overs than he normally does. A remarkable turnaround from being 5 down and still a long way behind Indias first innings.
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February 17, 2014 7:41pm
Colville

There is no downside for Colin Craig in this.
The voters that like Wussel will never vote for Craig anyways and all this does is raise Craigs profile with the people likely to vote for him.
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February 17, 2014 7:44pm
Pete George

I think Craig has a very weak case (except for attracting attention which has worked pretty well).

But Norman (and supported by Metiria Turei) are defending what seems to be a clear breech of Green Party Values:

As a party and as members of that party, we aim to:

6. Engage respectfully, without personal attacks

When they get so high and mighty about racism, sexism and elitism over being critical of some clothes and then say things like:

Politics is robust, even deeply unpleasant. Its up to the public not lawyers to judge

When does a critique of someone’s views become an ad hominem attack? whats your boundary?

Their boundary seems to depend on whether receiving or delivering the attack.
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February 17, 2014 7:47pm
Colville

Rowan.
Pitch is sedate and India have 7 (?) frontline IPL hardened batsmen capable of scoring very very fast.
India could do 5+ runs an over for 75 overs.
We will play safe and play for a draw.
A small chance of drizzel around noon.

That said high humidity should make the ball hoop about for Boult and it could be all on!

and I am going to be there at 11.00 😀
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February 17, 2014 7:51pm
Lucia Maria

Pete,

When it comes to the Greens, it’s the sales pitch vs the reality.

Just like that joke where the guy gets the “tour” of hell by the devil, and it looks so amazing, he chooses to go there. Once he’s in and he gets the real hell, and he wants to know why it’s different, the devil tells him he got the demo model to get him hooked.

As for Colin, not a good look sending in the lawyers when all it would take is an attack back.
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February 17, 2014 7:56pm
MT_Tinman

Pete George (21,078 comments) says:
February 17th, 2014 at 6:24 pm
Those distracted by some sports game may have missed Paddy Gower breaking news – Shane Taurima using TVNZ to fundraise and build support for Labour, with help from other staff. Taurima has resigned.

Those of us who did not put their brains in reverse while swearing undying fealty to possum head many years ago no doubt noted both, simply dismissing the politics as a non-issue while acknowledging the cricket events – nay heroics – as a major event in NZ history, memorable and to be commented on for hundreds of years hence.
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February 17, 2014 7:56pm
Rowan

Colville
A bit unrealistic to expect to be able to sustain 5+ an over for 75 overs without losing wickets. And if they do lose wickets then its very risky to ask the next batsman to be able to maintain that rate while preserving their wickets. But yes it would not be surprising to see them play it safe for 1-0, however hypothetically if we got bowled out in the morning for not to many more runs then it would still be a challenging total for India. Will be interesting and still anything can happen.
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February 17, 2014 8:00pm
nasska

Interview Phrases Translation

Phrase: I’m extremely adept at all manners of office
organization.
Meaning: I’ve used Microsoft Works.

Phrase: I’m honest, hard-working and dependable.
Meaning: I pilfer office supplies.

Phrase: I take pride in my work.
Meaning: I blame others for any mistakes.

Phrase: I am very cooperative.
Meaning: I don’t have headaches.

Phrase: I’m personable.
Meaning: I give lots of unsolicited personal advice to
co-workers.

Phrase: I am very adaptable.
Meaning: I’ve changed jobs a lot.

Phrase: I am on the go.
Meaning: I’m never at my desk.

Phrase: I’m highly motivated to succeed.
Meaning: The minute I find a better job,
I’m outta here.
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February 17, 2014 8:00pm
dime

I say we bat tomorrow for 10 overs. Hopefully McCullum gets 300 and Neesham gets 100.

That will give us a lead of 370.

80 overs to bowl em out. Ya never know, if we get a few quick.. the Indian tail isn’t awesome.

Almost 5 an over on a proper ground? day 5 pitch… against southee, boult and wagner.. with half decent back up.

Id rather be us than them.
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February 17, 2014 8:09pm
Colville

Rown.
Jimmy Neesham, our number 8, on debut to test level cricket has just scored 67 not out at a 70 (4.2 per over)strikerate.
India have 7 batsmen better than him, I think they would back themselves to do better.

Dime. A draw is a win for us. Why risk anything?

Either way I expect tomorro to be a cracker, fireworks from both sides. Yippee 😀
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February 17, 2014 8:10pm
Pete George

That’s a good comparison Lucia Maria. But in their case the salespeople are convinced they are selling the truth bit instead they are selling their own delusions. They mean well but are in a bubble that filters out reality.
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February 17, 2014 8:13pm
dime

Colville – 7 better than neesham.. really? in our conditions?

what to the indian top 7 average outside of the sub continent? 30 each?
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February 17, 2014 8:15pm
Rowan

A day 5 pitch Colville and I would rate Southee and Boult to be a bit more threatening with a new ball to the indian top order than what Shama and Shami have dished up this innings, ignoring our 2 useless openers, also our tail is significantly better than Indias. Neesham has batted the equivilent of about 15 overs (67 @ 4.2 rpo strikerate), you would need pretty much this sort of contribution from every one of those 7 batsman with none of them to have a failure, a bit to much to ask? We shall see.
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February 17, 2014 8:20pm
Pete George

Remember that more than any other form of the game tests are often won and lost in the top two inches. A demoralised team is far easier to beat than a confident team. Ask the Aussies and Poms.
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February 17, 2014 8:22pm
big bruv

Dime.

We should bat until we are all out. Why give the Indians even a sniff of victory. We are the ones who are ahead in the series, I say we bat for as long as we can and really grind them down.
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February 17, 2014 8:34pm
Scott Chris

There is no downside for Colin Craig in this.

Except for the disappointment of those who believe women should stay at home and gays in the closet.

Re the cricket; for us long suffering New Zealand cricket supporters, the highs are all the sweeter for their rarity. Well done McCallum and Wattling.
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February 17, 2014 8:34pm
mandk

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/9731734/Pregnant-women-neglect-unacceptable

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/9731678/New-mum-knew-she-would-die

Have women given over their maternity care to the careless and incompetent in the name of feminism? Just wondering.
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February 17, 2014 8:36pm
Rowan

Still on the Cricket have Aussie really turned it around since 6 months ago when they were the laughing stock and were getting thrashed by England and India? on form yes but England were woeful on the return ashes series, SA in their own backyard? we shall see how the second test goes before making that assessment, it was a poor performance by the Saffers who generally bat and bowl significantly better than that, they are capable of a lot better than that, Shaun Marsh and Steve Smith are normally pretty average and fail more than they succeed but certainly stood up for Aussie in the first test.
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February 17, 2014 8:53pm
Colville

Rowan
They have MS Dhoni at No 8 ! Test average of 38 and has scored a 93 ball century in a test.
Yeah i reckon they know how to hit a ball.

F*ck me! off topic but Dhoni is worth $150 Mil US$ net worth! $3.5 Mil a year salary as Captian.
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February 17, 2014 8:54pm
stephieboy

Colville (1,621 comments) says:
February 17th, 2014 at 7:44 pm

Ah ha!. Colin is getting to grips with the game of politics.!
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February 17, 2014 8:59pm
Rowan

Colville
Look at Indias performances out of India under Dhoni. it ain’t to flash yes they are very capable but how many of them average above 30 outside of India? not many, we have handled some of their young breed pretty well, i.e. Pujara who averages over 60 in Test Cricket, R Sharma and Vijay, Rahane had his first notable innings all tour in the first innings. Outside of Dhoni none of those batsman have the experience or the runs outside of India.
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February 17, 2014 9:01pm
nickb

Rowan – yes SA and Aus is very interesting. Take out Johnson and it’d be a lot closer. He is the difference between the sides really.

Agree with you about Marsh, he averages just over 30 in FC cricket and has 9 FC centuries at the age of 32. He is the most enigmatic man in Australian cricket and most people seem to have been angry he got picked over Hughes/Khawaja etc and the other up and comers. Great innings in the last test though, but will be interesting if he can carry it on, probably last chance saloon at international level. Steve Smith I really rate though and hope he goes on to great things.

Johnson is in their heads that is for sure. It’s interesting to see Steyn down quite a lot in pace recently and Morkel not as hostile as he could be with the pace and bounce he can derive. Didn’t expect the Aussie batters to have it so easy to be honest.
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February 17, 2014 9:05pm
big bruv

nickb

Take yourself outside and administer a huge uppercut.

The term is Batsmen, it is NOT BATTERS.
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February 17, 2014 9:08pm
Colville

Rowan.
I agree, but.
Why risk it?
Play safe and bat until we are all out.
There is no way India will block out 70 overs without having a bash, only one guy needs to have a real screamer.
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February 17, 2014 9:08pm
Rowan

Nickb
Yes it was a bit surprising, Johnson is as good as you let him be, sometimes he is very unthreatening and doesn’t even make the batsman have to play many of the balls, but then he can turn it around with a good spell just like that or similarly end up going for plenty, strange to think that he wouldn’t have even been in the Aussie eleven for the ashes if it wasn’t for the injuries to Pattison and Starc. Marsh can be pretty bloody awful, look at the Indian series in the 2012 summer in 5 tests he got something like 15 runs at an average of around 3! I suspect he wouldn’t have even played in the last match had Watson been fit but then he scores a ton so it will be tough to drop him if Watto is fit.
I think it was an off day from SA, They should have batted first after winning the toss, I expect they won’t play nearly as poorly twice around.

Colville
Fair enough, the game still has a lot going for it, will be an exciting last day.
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February 17, 2014 9:15pm
Scott Chris

re Johnson – would raise a few eyebrows if, say a sprinter suddenly started doing sub 9.8 sec 100 meters in his thirties. Perhaps ol’ Mitch has been on the happy juice.
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February 17, 2014 9:27pm
big bruv

Scott Chris

Where your suggestion re Johnson and happy juice falls down is that Johnson has always had the ability to bowl at that speed. And anyway, you can take as many drugs as you like, you cannot make somebody into a fast bowler, they either have it or not.
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February 17, 2014 9:34pm
Nostalgia-NZ

From what I’ve read Mc Cullum is speaking about taking a conservative approach, winning the series one nil. He may however decide to set the Indians an equivalent to around 7 and over to win before declaring if the Kiwis continue to bat that long. That’s a big ask, I think the BCs would be confident of bowling them out, rattle their nerves again after 6 losses on the trot. This is like a Frazier Ali fight going into the late rounds, the difference being that the NZ bowlers are well rested and ready to go. No gripes from me whatever the decision is, Mc Cullum in particular has shown himself to be multi dimensional in his play and his captaincy – where once he might fairly have been described as a blunderbust, he is now more fittingly seen as reserved and calculating strike force hedging the risk.
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February 17, 2014 9:38pm
SGA

@Nostalgia-NZ at 9:38 pm

From what I’ve read Mc Cullum is speaking about taking a conservative approach, winning the series one nil. He may however decide to set the Indians an equivalent to around 7 and over to win before declaring if the Kiwis continue to bat that long.

Perhaps declare after another quick 30 runs or so? With the differences between one-day and test match rules (e.g., fielding restrictions and power plays), setting them 360 runs say and about 70 overs to bowl at them (a RR of just over 5.0 per over) would still be a challenge for India. Draw still likely, but enough time for your bowlers to “get lucky”.
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February 17, 2014 10:13pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Yes, maybe as low as 5 per over SGA. As you say the Indians would be without the benefit of power plays and fielding restrictions. The chances are that the quick 30 approach might readily result in an opportunity to score more runs even with leaving India 70 overs. Another aspect is that to this point the Indian team may already be hopeful of a draw, rather than a victory – in which case that will be an advantage to the bowlers to further unsettle and challenge the batsmen. Looking at it from that point of view, it seems the BC’s will likely throw down the gauntlet.
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February 17, 2014 10:29pm
Left Right and Centre

Seeing the propagander promos for Campasabell Lives I thought all three 17 Feb stories might be promising.

How to put this – the actual meat of each story – the background, the facts, the whys are wherefores – doesn’t take very long to explain even in TV micro time bites. So the rest of it is the most atrocious tabloid Home & Away style filler bullshit nonsense one-sided populist spin you could hope to hear.

I know that they hand these people a script with lots of slogans that they have to pepper their appeal to poor little hard done by victim status speeches with. They’re given quick acting classes.

This fella with his taxi and Chch airport charging him more for a barrier pass or something. Through the story they kept saying 500% increase…..500% increase….. 500% increase. All the time. Then back to John who in a very calm smirking voice gently informs the camera that it was in fact 400%. But ok – 400% or 500% – does that make a huge difference ? Probably not – but it’s the whole way they did that. It’s rubbish. That’s one small thing.

It’s the ‘won’t someone please think of the children’ emotional type reasoning bollocks.

Ok – I’m better informed for having read this:

http://www.3news.co.nz/Parking-businesses-around-Chch-Airport-scared/tabid/817/articleID/332560/Default.aspx

And the business is online – because everything is now – yay – http://www.airparkcanterbury.co.nz/

So what’s going on here really is that Graeme Harris is providing alternative long-term parking for passengers using the airport a short distance away. He’s in competition with the airport to make money from passenger parking. His business is the same as one part of the airport’s business. They charge him to drop off his customers by shuttle van.

Harris charges $19 per day for 1-3 days. You park for three days and it’s $57 – holy fuck. I don’t remember hearing that point talked about.

If you crunch some numbers – it turns out that with a capacity of 620 car park spaces at Airpark – you’d need to fill roughly an extra 13 of them per day to cover the increased swipe charge. Without seeing the books of Airpark – who knows what’s ‘fair’ to his business ? When the cost of doing business goes up – it’s the same old story. You can pass the cost on to customers – wear the cost yourself – a combination of the two – change your business, adapt – or give up as it’s unworkable. 620 parking spaces at Airpark. And the programme is trying to make him out as the little fella – David up against Goliath. If at $10 per swipe it’s going to cost $120 000 in annual swipe fees – nothing about that sounds small business, does it ? 620 frickin spaces – holy hell !!

I could look at Graeme Harris and say this fella has exploited a sweet way to undercut the airport parking fees and make himself rich. The airport activity and access to it is providing his whole income. His airport access licence is a licence to print money. The airport clearly feel they want their cut of his business bypassing their provided facilities. They are in competition with each other, hello ?

“My swipe fees will be $120,000 a year”, says Mr Harris. “It’s a lot of tin to be able to fork out to keep your business going, and I don’t believe that 10 to 12 percent of your business should go in fees for the courtesy of using a barrier arm and a bit of tarseal.”

That’s one way of downplaying the core money-making activity of your business. If it’s ‘just a barrier and a bit of tar-seal’ then don’t use it. Drop the passengers as close as possible on the edge of the airport property and they can walk to the terminal. At the entry barrier. Obviously that wouldn’t work. You’re paying the cost of a business asset – access to the closest drop-off point. There’s huge value in that, the airport knows only too well and they don’t want to lose out on their revenue either. But talk to all the dickheads in TV land like the mugs that you know they are.
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