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February 12, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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EAD

The “plain-packaging” law got me thinking about everything the government seeks to outlaw from our lives. And I can only wonder: where does it end?

First they came for the smokers in the pub, but I’m not a smoker, so I did not speak out.

Then they came for incandescent light bulbs, but I prefer natural light, so I did not speak out

Then they banned us from disciplining our children, but I’m not a parent, so I didn’t speak out

Then they micro-chipped all our dogs, but I own a cat, so I didn’t speak up

Then they decided all bike riders must wear helmets, but I like to walk, so I didn’t speak out.

Then they outlawed wood-burning fireplaces, but I use a heat-pump, so I did not speak out.

Then they banned trans fats, but I’m a healthy eater, so I did not speak out.

Then they prohibited bull-rush, but I’ve longed since finished primary school, so I did not speak out.

Then they banned alcohol from being bought at the corner dairy, but I don’t much like beer, so I did not speak out.

Then they banned pies from the tuck shop, but I eat sandwiches, so I did not speak out.

Then they regulated the water pressure in showerheads, but I prefer baths, so I did not speak out.

Then they forced people to put fences around their paddling pools, but I did not have a pool, so I did not speak out.

Then they forbade “Merry Christmas,” but I do not celebrate Christmas, so I did not speak out

Then they demonised a politician who did speak up but was considered “politically incorrect”, but as I don’t operate from a national platform, I did not speak out.

Then they finally managed to completely remove our right to free speech

And then no one could speak out.

Our centuries long experiment with liberty that began at Runnymede in 1215, reached its zenith in 1914, had ended……….but at least the government had made us safe.
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February 12, 2014 8:02am
All_on_Red

It’s nice to see a bit of sunlight being thrown on these points.

“Democracy in Decline charts how democracy is being diluted and restricted in five of the world’s oldest democracies – the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, and New Zealand.
James Allan targets four main, interconnected causes of decline – judicial activism, the transformation and growth of international law, the development of supranational organizations, and the presence of undemocratic elites… Allan looks ahead to further deterioration caused by attacks on free speech, intolerant worldviews, internationalization through treaties and conventions, and illegal immigration.”
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/conservative_revolution_at_the_bookshop/
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February 12, 2014 8:06am
thedavincimode

Manolo

Are planning on applying for the vacant position as Cunners’ Chief of Staff? Nice little Wellington-based earner for you. In fact it might even be so amusing that you could do it for nix.
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February 12, 2014 8:21am
kowtow

The followers of the religion of peace , tolerance and respect for others are at it again. Don’t expect the MSM to make too much of it.That would be “racism” and we can’t have that can we? Nothing to see here,move along please.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/the-destruction-of-the-idols-syrias-patrimony-at-risk-from-extremists-9122275.html
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February 12, 2014 8:22am
redqueen

When will Len bloody Brown resign? $40k towards a $250k inquiry, hah! The man has simply paid for the cost of his previously undisclosed perks and I’m paying for this nonsense?
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February 12, 2014 8:26am
thedavincimode

The followers of the religion of peace , tolerance and respect for others are at it again.

Oops
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February 12, 2014 8:26am
Pete George

Further to a post by DPF – NZ First youth wing head under investigation – Brendan Horan raised an issue in Question Time yesterday about the alleged use of false (Fred Dagg?) name by the Dirtector of Operations in Winston Peters’ office.

Brendan Horan: Would the Prime Minister think there would be transparency in an entity submitting multiple Official Information Act requests in a made-up name, such as, for example, Bruce Bayliss, and does he think such a practice would be transparent enough for a political party research unit?

Rt Hon JOHN KEY: I have no evidence to support that Mr Bayliss is putting in Official Information Act requests under a pseudonym or false name, but I am aware that Mr Bayliss is associated with, and works for, New Zealand First.

Peters tabled a list of NZ First staff members but this failed to address the use of a false name.

Ironically Peters complained about this “a tendency to get up and ask a supplementary question that has nothing to do with the primary question” but his original question was all about transparency. Winston Peters and transparency are about as un-alike as Winston Peters and Fredd Dagg.

Brendan Horan, Winston Peters, Bruce Bayliss and transparency – no denial by Peters, just his usual avoidance and diversion.
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February 12, 2014 8:32am
cha

Beer matters.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/team-canada-has-a-beer-fridge-that-can-only-be-opened-with-a-canadian-passport–photo-012713738.html
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February 12, 2014 8:34am
RF

Just heard the old tusker King on the ZB Mike Hosking show. Hosking & Joyce had her on the ropes about recent comments made by the Silent T & Goof concerning JKs attempts to sort out Labours mess dating back to 2001. She was like a bloody turkey gobbling and gabbling on. The Silent T will not be pleased with her performance. Hosking also gave her stick about Labour getting into Bed with the Greens and Dot com.

Both the Greens and Labour would sell their grandmothers to get onto the treasury benches later this year. A very dangerous combination and one that decent Kiwis will want to avoid.
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February 12, 2014 8:36am
Longknives

So the Greens new best friend seems to be that fat slug of a German…(whose face seems to be on every bus in Auckland)
I just want to know if they plan to ‘redistribute’ his wealth like they do with all the rest of us ‘Rich Pricks’?
Or is Dotcom somehow exempt from their Socialist plans?
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February 12, 2014 8:37am
Pete George

RF – this morning on Firstline Cunliffe carefully avoided ruling out having met Dotcom, he said he hadn’t met Dotcom and discussed just one specific matter (can’t remember what it was).
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February 12, 2014 8:39am
Fisiani

Dot Con is so keen to avoid extradition to face criminal charges that he will happily bankroll the Greens who have promised to block his possible extradition. I am sure that Dot Con will mange to break some electoral rule due to stupidity and ego. This could end up really hurting the dirty Greens.
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February 12, 2014 8:47am
Manolo

About time: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11200242

A group lobbying for a return to a 10-year passport claims New Zealand passports are more expensive per year than most other comparable countries and the fee has become a simple revenue-gathering exercise.

It should be remembered the 5-year passport was implemented by the useless trougher Maurice Williamson.
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February 12, 2014 8:47am
jcuk

read today in NYT that the current freeze in the northern hemisphere to justify skeptics of global warming is actually not as severe as previous winters … but of course the NYT is left wing rubbish as we all know.
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February 12, 2014 8:55am
iMP

COUPLE OF QUESTIONS:

Is it alright for a gay advocacy group to appropriate the Olympics and Bob Sleding/Luging, simulating male sex?

Why when gay groups promote themselves do they always focus on sex? (Is it because “being gay” is really just another form of human sex, and does that warrant a new gender definition (LGBTiQ); and contrive a whole separate ‘culture’?)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/winter-olympics/9712147/Luger-hits-out-over-gay-rights-video
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February 12, 2014 9:07am
Pete George

Rob Salmond at Polity (reposted at The Standard) has warned opposition parties about associating with Dotcom – “it all sounds pretty icky”.

Is it too late? Norman seems to be already stuck in icky. Peters is ducking for cover but reeks of icky. And Cunliffe and Labour could already be pretty icky too.

Associating with Dotcom has been bad for John Banks, Martyn Bradbury (that could also have been bad for Dotcom), and Alistair Thompson. I don’t know who else may have slunk off hoping for any association to be unseen.

Polity warns opposition parties – Dotcom sounds pretty icky – but it’s too late for a growing list of people. And parties?
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February 12, 2014 9:09am
Colville

Should I be happy that forecast for Wellington on Mon/Tue is rain?
Drawn test and we win the series? 🙂
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February 12, 2014 9:10am
dirty harry

Police state coming your way soon..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/9710525/Tougher-checks-on-every-car-stopped

Thought thats what WOF’s were for…
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February 12, 2014 9:13am
peterwn

dirty harry – I thought the old MOT Traffic Cops did that as a matter of course, so what’s new? Anyway if the Police stop a car foe speeding etc, surely they would check further where the car looks dodgy.
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February 12, 2014 9:31am
Mrs Trellis

“It should be remembered the 5-year passport was implemented by the useless trougher Maurice Williamson.”

Hey, let’s have a go at Williamson, even if it’s not true…….

All passports issued on or after 24 April 2005 – both adult and child – have a maximum validity of five years as a result of the Passports Amendment Act (2005).
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February 12, 2014 9:31am
eszett

iMP (1,989 comments) says:
February 12th, 2014 at 9:07 am
COUPLE OF QUESTIONS:

Did you loose your sense of humor or were you born that way, iMP?
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February 12, 2014 9:34am
dirty harry

Its the old story peterwn…give ’em an inch..next it will be checking the entire car and occupants without a warrant ” as a matter of course “…see the first post of the day by EAD…ominous.

My car is safe..always has a warrant and rego..I drive within the limit etc blah blah.
I want to go about my daily business unimpeded without some snot nose jack boot wearing asshole interfering in my day.

Government…get the fuck out of my life.
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February 12, 2014 9:38am
Keeping Stock

Ever wanted to ask Winston Peters a question? He’s doing an online Q+A at 4pm today, so here’s your chance. I’ve come up with a few already, but there are bound to be plenty more about all manner of things; scampi, Owen Glenn, Free Trade Agreements, Chinese restaurants on Dominion Road; the sky’s the limit. There’s no guarantees that you’ll get answers though…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/02/ask-winston.html
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February 12, 2014 9:38am
Keeping Stock

@ Colville – we want to win this test. A two-nil series win takes New Zealand up to #7 in the ICC test match rankings, and drops India to #3. It would also be great to send the Indian’s home with just a solitary tie to show for seven matches of cricket against a team ranked well below them.

And given that I’m planning on being at the Basin on Sunday and Monday (and at the ‘Nix match on Sunday evening), I say “rain, rain, go away”!
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February 12, 2014 9:42am
RRM

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11200050

We need to do the classic eastern-european ethnic cleansing exercise on these gang animals.

Take them all into a forest, one bullet into each one, then bury them in a trench dead or alive.

Just scum with no redeeming qualities, the country would be better for it.
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February 12, 2014 9:43am
RRM

iMP –

Somewhere in the world, a gay couple is HAVING GAY SEX RIGHT NOW!!!

🙂 How does that make you FEEL?
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February 12, 2014 9:45am
dirty harry

Unfortunately they have rights just like you rrm
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February 12, 2014 9:46am
kowtow

Andrew Bolt poses the question.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/why_let_in_a_culture_that_produces_this/
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February 12, 2014 9:54am
wreck1080

I’m figuring out some tax stuff… so, have questions…

If labour win the election, how quickly might they raise the top tax rate (assuming they will do this as it is what labour does)

And, will labour win the election?

Soo much uncertainty!!!
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February 12, 2014 10:13am
mandk

@ Dirty Harry,
How many people driving clapped out, unsafe cars bother to get a WOF (or insurance for that matter)?
Good on the cops.
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February 12, 2014 10:15am
RRM

Just been watching some Olympic ski jumping – HOLY FUCKING FUCK you would need big cojones to do that.

Rugby = nothing much…
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February 12, 2014 10:19am
Reid

Unfortunately they have rights just like you rrm

Good discussion on the social engineering processes and techniques underlying the gay movement that outlines how society is played like a violin and very useful for that purpose alone regardless of the subject matter if you don’t understand how society is engineered.

I’m not sure I buy his thesis on the origins of gay attraction in men partly because IMO child abuse also has a lot to do with it but he’s a psychiatrist so presumably he’s done the research. Of course the gay research these days is precisely like the AGW research, whereby the only people who get funding are those with the correct agenda and ‘deniers’ of the approved meme are sidelined via unscientific and carefully designed highly emotive hysteria, which the useful idiots amongst the public swallow whole, precisely as the engineers intend.

BTW, to said useful idiots, my brother who I love deeply is gay, so please don’t waste your time hallucinating I’m against gays. I’m against social engineering because that’s what’s destroying society as we speak in all sorts of social arenas, the gay movement is merely one of them. If you don’t think social engineering exists then ask yourself why its only western nations that have been affected by this movement whereas the rest of the world isn’t. Doesn’t that show you that something is going on here that isn’t going on in the rest of the world? And if you hallucinate that’s because we’re ‘more advanced’ then you’re falling for the ‘human wights’ disguise that all the useful idiots fall for when they look at social engineering, just like they did with the gay marriage hallucination that it was about that.

http://www.theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo/PnSx/HSx/SocrdsHowAmerGay.htm
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February 12, 2014 10:20am
iMP

I think vegetarians (I have several vegetarian friends, one who changed chemically) should be designated a new gender, have separate “human rights,” have a pride promotion day, get public money to market their culture, and be allowed to marry like everyone else. It’s about equality…
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February 12, 2014 10:29am
Liberty

Manolo
“A group lobbying for a return to a 10-year passport claims”
What a pack of loses. $28 yr FFS get a life
If you can afford to travel you can afford $28.
It’s not compulsory to have a passport in NZ
Then we don’t know what the coalition of loses and there pin up boy Dot.con have in their secret agenda.
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February 12, 2014 10:30am
stephieboy

All_on_Red (799 comments) says:
February 12th, 2014 at 8:06 am

I wonder whether the decline in democracy that James Allen outlines actually reflects current reality or reflects the bias and ideological prejudices of a Conservative blogger. ?
Arguably this age has seen an unprecedented expansion of personal freedoms as exemplified by this and innumerable other blogs both left , center and right !
This also in the context in the age of Terrorism. I think of the huge pressures placed e.g on David Cameron’s government in this respect.But is hasn’t stopped the likes of Pat Condell on the one hand and on the other the (mad )Andy Chowdery trumpeting liberally their severely opposing views.
Does Allan account for the expansion of Gay and rainbow community rights or is that a big negative in his estimation.?
Hopefully he doesn’t take seriously the alleged FEMA camps and Gulags that far right and conspiracy theorist bloggers hysterically rage on about.
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February 12, 2014 10:31am
srylands

“If labour win the election, how quickly might they raise the top tax rate (assuming they will do this as it is what labour does)

And, will labour win the election? ”

(1) Quickly. I would expect the legislation to be passed before Christmas, with the higher rate applying immediately.

(2) How likely? A probability of about 38% according to ipredict which I think is a fair assessment right now. It has been falling for three months but anything could happen in the next few months. So a Labour win is less likely than a National win. However, MMP is yet to deliver its potential for horrors. It is only a matter of time. I think in 50 years historians will look at the 2011 MMP referendum and winder why the country was sleep walking.
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February 12, 2014 10:36am
Pete George

Cunliffe on conversations with Dotcom:

He also suggested it would be “responsible” for Dotcom to withdraw plans for his Internet Party, as it could take vital votes away from the Opposition at this year’s election.

“It may be perfectly logical for Mr Dotcom to say ‘ look, if we’re not going to make the 5 percent threshold, the last thing we want to do is by mistake get John Key’s lot returned, just because we took votes off opposition parties’.”

However, Mr Cunliffe did admit he hadn’t spoken with Dotcom about whether that would occur.

“I can assure you that I’ve had absolutely no conversations with Mr Dotcom to that end,” he says.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Labour-wont-intervene-in-Dotcom-extradition/tabid/1607/articleID/331863/Default.aspx

“I can assure you that I’ve had absolutely no conversations with Mr Dotcom to that end” leaves open all sorts of possible conversations.
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February 12, 2014 10:40am
cha

Hmm, wondering…

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/scary-1929-market-chart-gains-traction-2014-02-11
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February 12, 2014 10:40am
Liberty

Wreck1080
“I’m figuring out some tax stuff… so, have questions…”
Around 10% of Tax payers pay 70% of the tax
Of the 10% how many Tax payers would be Green/labour/mana/NZF supporters.
Stuff all. The coalition of loses supporters spend their life sucking of the state tit.
And you want the state to pillage more.
http://www.storyit.com/Classics/Stories/goldengooseegg.htm
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February 12, 2014 10:45am
Longknives

“Rugby = nothing much…”

Flipper will be along any minute threatening to set some of his All Black thug mates onto you for that comment RRM!
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February 12, 2014 10:50am
Colville

iMP.

Gays I can handle, If you want a cock up the arse well I am not going to tell you that you cant.
Vegetarians however are subhuman. Enjoying a well chared rare steak is one of lifes great pleasures.

I love fluffy animals. With gravy 🙂
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February 12, 2014 10:51am
iMP

Colville, since when have you been handling gays?
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February 12, 2014 11:06am
Reid

Hmm, wondering…

Cha, that’s right, I’ve posted that confluence several times in the last few months. Most of the US corporate activity is not plant reinvestment but share buyback and that combined with the QE has painted a false picture in the numbers – there is nothing behind them.

Some people are predicting a significant crash much worse than 2007 in Q1 this year. I’m afraid I’m with them but my predictions are normally ahead of time, I was picking 2007 in 2005 for example. But it’s coming no doubt about it and when it does, it’s going to take the global markets with it.
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February 12, 2014 11:10am
RRM

…the useful idiots…

Has anything else in your life ever really equalled that sweet, sweet moment of revelation when you read Animal Farm at age 15 and immediately figured out how everything works??

[edit]

my predictions are normally ahead of time, I was picking 2007 in 2005 for example.

Sorry, I was wrong and I take it all back.
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February 12, 2014 11:10am
nasska

Show me a man who calls himself a vegan & I’ll show you a man who’s trying to root a vegan. 🙂
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February 12, 2014 11:11am
stephieboy

Reid, what are your principles of share market divining as a matter of interest.?

You missed the ones on 14/09 08 and 27/04/ 10 . etc. ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stock_market_crashes_and_bear_markets
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February 12, 2014 11:29am
OneTrack

“If labour win the election, how quickly might they raise the top tax rate (assuming they will do this as it is what labour does)”

The legislation is almost certainly already drawn up and will be in parliament in the first week following the election.

Why do you suggest they will only limit it to the top tax rate?

They may be financial imbeciles but I am sure that there must be one of them ( Damian OConner?) who has bought themselves a calculator from the Warehouse and realised that we simply don’t have enough rich pricks to pay for all of David’s promises to the unions, and for all of Russel’s idealist dreams of a communist nirvana. Especially when they realise that some of the current “rich pricks” are actually dairy farmers who the Greens intend to bankrupt – hence the tax revenue will drop.

Expect a redefinition of “rich prick” to $60K early next year when they start running out of money.
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February 12, 2014 11:50am
Harriet

(Yawn) ….. gays…..again…..

“….Why when gay groups promote themselves do they always focus on sex?…”

I’m so very happy for them that they’re proud to have other guys enter their backsides.

That is something that we all should really celebrate and dwell on. I mean, can you imagine if they didn’t come out? Where would you be in your life now? 😎

Rock Hudson was gay, gee, nobody had to know did they? Why do we now need to know who is gay?
Fine, so you’re gay…..what do you want, a bickie? 😎

The gay, transgender, feminism gibberish is all just fingernails on the blackboard now. It’s about time gays started keeping their sexual practices to themselves like all other adults in polite society do, as they are now starting to be seen as just outspoken adolescent buggerers seeking attention; adults with a vanity disorder, or an insecurity.
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February 12, 2014 12:58pm
iMP

The rainbow political advocates have now added a further letter to the gender-bending alphabet. it’s now LGBTiQ. ‘i’ stands for “intersex” (whatever that is). Does the ‘Q’ stand for “queens” or “queer” or something else? I can’t keep up. We need a glossary.
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February 12, 2014 1:05pm
J Bloggs

iMP: Intersex is the medical term for hermaphrodite
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February 12, 2014 1:08pm
Harriet

“….I can’t keep up. We need a glossary….”

Just use LGBT….Z for short iMP. 😎
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February 12, 2014 1:11pm
stephieboy

Harriet ,I gather you found the Prime Minister attending the the Gay Pride and Rainbow community Festival last weekend was to you personally offensive and reprehensible.?
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February 12, 2014 1:11pm
Harriet

“…..Intersex is the medical term for hermaphrodite….”

No it’s not – hermaphrodite is the medical term.

‘intersex’ could mean several different things.
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February 12, 2014 1:14pm
Harriet

“…..Harriet ,I gather you found the Prime Minister attending the the Gay Pride and Rainbow community Festival last weekend was to you personally offensive and reprehensible.?….”

Hardly.

It just reminded everyone to vote for Mr Craig. 😎
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February 12, 2014 1:16pm
nasska

Do try to keep up iMP.

LGBTIQ = “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Intersex and Questioning”.

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/LGBTIQ
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February 12, 2014 1:17pm
RRM

Harriet / iMP: Have you two had your compulsory gay sex for December, January and February officially verified yet?

If not, why not?

You know the LGBTiQ Police are keeping their eye on you…? 😎
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February 12, 2014 1:18pm
RRM

Hey, look at that, it looks like the sky is fa
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February 12, 2014 1:19pm
nasska

Are the “re education” camps up & running yet RRM? 🙂
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February 12, 2014 1:20pm
J Bloggs

Harriet: I’ll put on my orthopedic shoes and stand corrected…. 🙂

Hermaphroditism is just a subset of intersex (which is the internationally recognised term when discussing such conditions).

Hermaphrodite is probably the term most people would recognise in relation to that group though.
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February 12, 2014 1:22pm
Harriet

Hermaphroditism is just a subset of intersex.

Hardly.

‘Hermaphroditism’ has been in use for a lot longer than ‘intersex’.
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February 12, 2014 1:33pm
nasska

Harriet

From the “Urban Dictionary”:

….” Intersex
the act of having sex with someone via the internet by thinking of it really hard and then yelling INTERSEX! And they’ll lose their virginity without even having to stick their uh-ohs in your woopsie, or vise-versa.

You can do this by sending any kind of computer message via IM, Facebook/Myspace comments, emails, etc. etc. etc.

Computer condoms should be used, so as not to impregnate an Intersexed female, because they will actually give birth to a computer. “….

Now even a Godaddled, moralistic fruitloop like you can enjoy sex…..of a sort. 🙂
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February 12, 2014 1:42pm
Yvette

If New Zealand is to be smokefree by 202o, and the unrevealed TPP does contain the ability for big international corporates to sue for loss of market share due to local legislation changes that disadvantage them, what will it cost for New Zealand to cease the annual manufacture of six billion cigarettes for the Australian market, since it should be illegal for New Zealand to be manufacturing them – not only in bloody plain packaging, but at all – and economically self destructive to stop manufacturing them?

And in fact the bloody Aussies have this up their sleeves – they bring in plain packaging, that becomes Australia’s legal requirement and the dopey New Zealand Petone based manufacturer is the one to physically do it … at what come back?

Some one should ask Cunliffe that, if he is not to busy with Dotcom discussing what to do about the 72 page Grand Jury Indictment by the Courts of East Virginia, which has not been diminished one iota by the FBI inspired Key-stoned mistakes New Zealand Police made in arresting this 6XL German.

Merde! N’est-ce pas assez pour vous donner envie de se mettre à fumer?
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February 12, 2014 1:47pm
Paulus

You can bet that the Green Labour Party Government will reduce the amount to Aged Superannuitants as they are considered leeches and rich on the rest of the economy.
Of course the age of receipt will got to 67 in a short timescale.
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February 12, 2014 2:12pm
grumpyoldhori

Why was Dalton on board the black boat as a grinder ? he was the biggest and strongest they could find in NZ.
The bloody mind boggles, I would happily take Dalton on in a grinding contest, he was far too old and far too small to be grinding on the black boat.

Why agree to give the yanks a day off racing with NZ 7-1 ahead, Dalton made a cock up there, you never give a sucker an even break

http://www.odt.co.nz/sport/yachting/291345/americas-cup-rest-day-mistake-barker
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February 12, 2014 2:33pm
igm

It is a well known fact Labour/Greens are only interested in the younger, loser types, as they secure them votes. They will increase bludging benefits for DPP, dole, etc., reduce and means test old age pensions, as these people are on borrowed time and may not be around to vote for them. There will be many taxes of envy, unfairness for those that have worked and accumulated, businesses will get taxed on turnover, Lotto will be taxed at least 30%, and racing will be screwed to the point that it will not survive.
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February 12, 2014 3:06pm
wikiriwhis business

.CHART: Yellen to Crash Stock Market Worse than 1929 .

In today’s video, Christopher Greene of AMTV explains Janet Yellen will collapse Stock Market worse than 1929.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87iuezZWuG4
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February 12, 2014 3:15pm
Manolo

AGW continues to assault the world: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/ice-expert-predicts-lake-superior-will-completely-freeze-over
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February 12, 2014 3:22pm
publicwatchdog

HOUSING AND PROPERTY ISSUES FACING TAMAKI

NZ FIRST and MOUNTAINSIDE FM invites you to hear

NZ FIRST MP Denis O’Rouke, Spokesperson for Housing

discuss the housing issues, including the real concerns of the property owners and tenants of Tamaki including the state house sell off.

* THE SOCIAL HOUSING REFORM ( Affects all tenants).

* HOUSING NZ WITHIN THE COMMUNITY

* EFFECT OF PRIVATE PROPERTY VALUES

THIS SATURDAY, 15 FEBRUARY

11am – 1pm

Glen Innes Primary School

40 East View Rd Glenn Innes

Enquiries: Mountainside FM (09) 528 5616 or 0274 582 099
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(Forwarded in the public interest).
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February 12, 2014 3:45pm
thedavincimode

Ignored in my personal interest.
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February 12, 2014 4:00pm
chris

More statistical misinformation from the Labour Party https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151956146026452&set=a.352820246451.152168.337477311451
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February 12, 2014 4:12pm
Reid

Not that they’ll find anything.

http://www.disclose.tv/news/Suspicious_death_of_JPMorgan_Vice_President_under_investigation_in_London/99588

Reminds me of the Ken Roach not guilty verdict.
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February 12, 2014 4:15pm
Reid

Like heights?

http://govtslaves.info/city-climbers-hang-heights-crazy-palms-sweating-just-looking-photos/
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February 12, 2014 4:24pm
Reid

I wonder what the Sceptics Society would make of these results?

http://www.sunnyskyz.com/good-news/545/DNA-Analysis-Of-Paracas-Elongated-Skulls-Released-The-Results-Prove-They-Were-Not-Human

I’m picking they wouldn’t mention the word Annunaki.
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February 12, 2014 4:38pm
flash2846

The Olympics are about sport and sports people. Who cares where you put your dick; be there for sport only and if you cannot do that Fuck Off! 🙁
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February 12, 2014 4:49pm
bereal

At this point EAD has 23 thumbs up. @8.02am

Very trite EAD.

By “They”
Are you refferring to the government of the day, elected by the people ?

And, have you got a point ?

If so, what TF is it ?

23 drongs sucked in so far.

Not bad EAD. (especially for a rehashed old chestnut like that)

Drongs never learn.
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February 12, 2014 5:02pm
Reid

The Olympics are about sport and sports people… be there for sport only and if you cannot do that

Just reinforces my 10.20 point about it being all about social engineering flash. Such a public opportunity to spread the meme cannot and will not be ignored, lest the useful idiots stop their incessant bleating about their pwecious ‘human wight.’
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February 12, 2014 5:06pm
bereal

FYI EAD ( and the drongs who voted 4 U)
http://www.google.co.nz/webhp?nord=1#nord=1&q=trite
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February 12, 2014 5:10pm
Reid

Very clever calculation from Jones about the supermarkets allegedly rorting NZ suppliers in Parliament today. Will be lead item on news tonight, I imagine.

Do we need a supermarket ombudsman like they have in Aus, to mediate issues between supermarkets and suppliers, given the enormous power supermarkets have?

Big contrast between this action and Cunliffe’s bumbling foray into the new year. And maybe that’s what Jones is ultimately aiming at. So far, he’s succeeded.
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February 12, 2014 5:16pm
kowtow

He sounded like a xenophobic populist wanker,sorry ranter.

But then being a Welsh,Yugo, Maori he’d be a master (bater) for playing the race card to whatever advantage he sees at the moment.
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February 12, 2014 5:46pm
stigie

Sounds like Reddy is not too far away of making an appearance on GD folks !
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February 12, 2014 5:56pm
thedavincimode

Be careful what you wish for stigie.

It’s only a matter of uttering the appropriate incantation and the spirit of redtweeter will be invoked (inevitably stuck in the same groove and without any new material). Alas, he just can’t control himself.
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February 12, 2014 6:02pm
stigie

Redtweeter….very good and very original there Davinci.
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February 12, 2014 6:10pm
nickb

Brendon McCullum just got a good IPL gig for Chennai. Less than prior years though – $USD540k.

Meanwhile a fringe Indian wicketkeeper goes for over $2m USD.
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February 12, 2014 6:15pm
dirty harry

start on the piss early today did we Bereal..?
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February 12, 2014 6:15pm
Manolo

Miss Dim: Pay your rates first, you utterly corrupt woman!
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February 12, 2014 6:28pm
RF

I see Mils Muliaina is back in town. Hope he is house trained now and not pissing on his mates whilst they enjoy a quiet drink in a city bar. Another AB role model.
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February 12, 2014 6:47pm
stephieboy

Reid ,time for some unraveling and exposing of your Anunnaki pseudo science and poppycock,

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/anunnaki/

Summarized thus.

“To sum up, almost everything that Ancient Aliens says about the Annunaki is untrue, which is not surprising considering they copy and pasted almost everything in this section from the books of Zecharia Sitchin.
For more information about Sitchin’s errors in his translations of the Sumerians and Arkaddian texts, I will direct you to the excellent website of doctor Michael Heiser ‘Sitchiniswrong.com’.
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February 12, 2014 6:53pm
RichardX

Reid (14,809 comments) says:
February 12th, 2014 at 10:20 am
If you don’t think social engineering exists then ask yourself why its only western nations that have been affected by this movement whereas the rest of the world isn’t. Doesn’t that show you that something is going on here that isn’t going on in the rest of the world?

Yet another false dichotomy from Reid
Freedom from religion exists in western nations
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February 12, 2014 6:59pm
stigie

Why has Guptill been left out of this 2nd test. Is he a bit suspect against the red ball ?….with him being a right hander, do they still want to persist with the right/ left opening combination ?
Has anyone out there got some ideas ?, because im fucked if i know !~
Maybe he was unavailable……?
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February 12, 2014 7:00pm
ex-golfer

I see Shane Jones has finally caught up with a story first exposed by Whale on 24 January: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/01/countdown-acting-like-godfather/

Nice of Jones to be keeping up with the blogisphere for his general debate speeches.
Pity he didn’t bother to attribute his “source”.
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February 12, 2014 7:05pm
ex-golfer

Ms Dim is promoting NZ FIRST MP Denis O’Rouke, Spokesperson for Housing.
I wonder if she would be concerned if she knew [deleted by DPF]
Would Winnie?

[DPF: 30 demerits]
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February 12, 2014 7:08pm
stephieboy

Richard you are correct. Not only freedom of religious and non religious belief but the fact is that we live in a secular society a key feature of modernity and Western Culture
Church and other kinds of religious observance are not compulsory anymore and be it that it remains like that.Another feature of the West
But the Conservative party, Harriet and Reid etc might not accept all this .?
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February 12, 2014 7:10pm
Lucia Maria

Stephie,

I doubt anyone in the Conservative Party, or Harriet and Reid, et al, would want to enforce mandatory religious observance. The only people that want that in NZ are the Maori spiritualists, as far as I can tell.
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February 12, 2014 7:14pm
nickb

Stigie – he seemed to have some persistent technical flaws against the moving ball. He got a good run but was then dropped.

Maybe deserves another chance. Fulton is a walking wicket, surprised they stuck with him.
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February 12, 2014 7:23pm
stephieboy

Prominent leader’s son gets interim name suppression for DIC,

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11169312

Am sure whaleoil will release his name but only if…. hmmm..!

Lucia Maria, Conservative party etc not enforce mandatory religious observance .?
Have my doubts there
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February 12, 2014 7:30pm
nasska

Remember this coming Thursday is special…..it’s called St. Valentine’s Day because St. Blowjob for Jewellery Day just didn’t have the same ring to it.
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February 12, 2014 8:00pm
Reid

Yet another false dichotomy from Reid. Freedom from religion exists in western nations

Good point Richard. Except I was talking about the homosexualisation of the western world aka the gay rights social engineering meme, not religion.

D’oh.

It’s not rocket science you know. It’s called “reading what the other person said.” Perhaps you and stephie should try it sometime. You might stop making fools of yourselves. Possibly.
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February 12, 2014 8:08pm
EAD

@ bereal

holy sh*t brother – you’re an example that the dumbing down mission has been thoroughly accomplished. Record highschool grades & university entrants every year and zero interest in currency debasement, political thought/history, corp-cronyism, government waste, increasing fascism and especially our illusion-of-choice politics.

There is no point explaining to you why and how the Roman Empire fell from the greatest civilization to being sacked by the Barbarians because they’d become so progressively dependent on .Gov and were distracted from ever really thinking by Juvenal’s “bread and circuses”, but I’ll leave you with this famous quote to reflect on about the nature of democracy:

“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
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February 12, 2014 8:09pm
EAD

And perhaps my all time favourite about “democracy” written in 1935 by the great H.L. Mencken

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

Clinton…..Bush….Obama?
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February 12, 2014 8:22pm
Sofia

So the USA should have been screwed from about 1976 – seems about right, give or take a decade or two
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