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Colville

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/opinion/9707476/Harden-up-NZ-farming-kills-animals

A small dose of reality for some of the precious souls that think the lamb rack they had for dinner was actually manufactured by a machine in China before turning up in cling film in the supermarket.
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February 11, 2014 8:01am
Longknives

Breaking News! Wimp Dad can’t control stroppy teenage daughter so blames Police-

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9706438/Dad-blames-police-for-daughters-wild-party
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February 11, 2014 8:03am
Dean Papa

bumping off calves with hammers doesn’t exactly fit in with the clean green 100% pure image, it has to be said.
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February 11, 2014 8:07am
Keeping Stock

If ever there was a case that is going to turn public opinion strongly against gangs, it is the Mellory Manning murder trial. I detest gangs with a passion; they have no legitimate purpose. And those politicians who argued against bans on gang patches in public places should reflect on the allegation that Mauha Fawcett killed Ms Manning so that he could earn his Mongrel Mob patch.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/02/why-we-detest-gangs.html
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February 11, 2014 8:13am
Tom Jackson

Yeah, the Manning case is one of the most repulsive I can recall.
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February 11, 2014 8:14am
flash2846

HERE’S A LIST OF SOME OF THE FAMOUS PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY

SOME FAMOUS NEW ZEALANDERS

Edmond Hillary – Famous Mountaineer
Sir Peter Blake – Successful Yachtsman
Norman Kirk – Pretty good Prime Minister
Caroline & Georgina Evers-Swindell – Gold Medalists
Sam Morgan – Founder of TradeMe
Scott Dixon – Indianapolis 500 winner
Dr Fred Hollows – Revolutionary Eye Surgeon
Sir Peter Jackson – Filmmaker
Prof.Alan MacDiarmid – Nobel laureate chemist
Daniel carter – Rugby Legend
Sir John Walker – Gold Medalist
Mahé Drysdale – Gold Medalist
Keri Hulme – Writer
Dave Dobbyn – Singer/Songwriter
Grant Dalton – America’s Cup Team Boss
Russell Crowe – Actor
Neil Finn – Composer/Singer
Lisa Carrington – Gold Medalist
Jane Campion – Film Director
Gwenda Turner – Author
Dame Malvina Major – Singer
Sir Peter Snell – runner
Sir Peter Gluckman – Chief Science Advisor
Stephen Fleming – Brilliant Cricket Captain
Gareth Farr – Composer
Bill Sutton – Artist
Sarah Ulmer – Gold Medalist
Charles Upham – Awarded Victoria Cross twice
Anna Paquin – Academy Award Winning Actress
John Key – Great Prime Minister
Helen Clark – OK Prime Minister
A J Hackett – Bungy Jumping Pioneer
Richie McCaw – Rugby Legend
Kate Sheppard – Suffragist
Keith Urban – Famous Musician
Alan MacDiarmid – Information Age Pioneer
John Britten – Revolutionary Motorcycle Designer
Melanie Lynskey – Successful Actress
Lorde – Self Made Pop Star
Richard Curtis – Respected Screen Writer
Ernest Rutherford – physicist
Sir Brian Barratt-Boyes – heart surgeon
Katherine Mansfield – writer
Colin Murdoch – inventor
Dr Matthew During – Scientist
Sir Bill Hamilton – inventor
Arthur Lydiard – Running Legend
ETC.ETC.ETC………..

SOME FAMOUS MAORI

William Bell – Murderer
Ben Haerewa – Child abuser/Murderer
Jules Mikus – Rapist/Murderer
Kereopa Te Rau – Murderer
Edward Te Whiu – Murderer
David Tamihere – Rapist/Murderer
Paul DALLY – Murderer
Paraire Te Awa – Paedophile/Murderer
Raymond RATIMA – Murderer
Mita Tarawa – Paedophile/Murderer
Arapeta Awatere – Murderer
Titewhai Harawira – Abuser of mentally impaired boys
Malcolm Rewa – Serial rapist
Sonny-Boy Makoare – Murderer
Joseph Thompson – Serial rapist
Nicholas Reekie – Serial rapist
Metiria Turei – Twat
Rachealle Namana – Child abuser/Paedophile/Killer
Rongomai Paewai – Child abuser/Paedophile/Killer
Tania Witika – Child abuser/Paedophile/Killer
Lisa Kuka – Child abuser/Paedophile/Probable Killer
Wiremu Curtis – Child abuser/Paedophile/Killer
Michael Curtis – Child abuser/Paedophile/Killer
Michael Pearson – Child abuser/Paedophile
Oriwa Kemp – Child abuser/Paedophile
William Curtis – Paedophile
Trent Hapuku – Child abuser/Killer
Itupa Mikaio – Child abuser
Benny Haerewa – Child abuser/Murderer
Bailey Junior Kurariki – Murderer
Maata Waterhouse – Child abuser/Murderer
Hone Harawira – Assistant abuser/Racist
Taffy Hotene – Murderer
Chris Kahui – Murderer
Te Rangi Whakaruru – Child abuser/Killer
Belinda Edmonds – Child abuser/Killer
Dorothy Tipene – Child abuser/Killer
Matthew Lorangi – Child abuser/Murderer
Genesis Mahanga – Child abuser/Murderer
Hoana Matiu – Child abuser/Murderer
Loi-lea Waiora Te Wini – Murderer
Puti Maxwell – Killer
Kararina Te Tauna – Killer
Wayne Paekau – Murderer
Renee Kara O’Brien – Murderer
Ray Kara – Murderer
Kalem Ames – Killer
ETC.ETC.ETC…………
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February 11, 2014 8:15am
kowtow

Here ya go,more from the health nuts…….regulation,taxes and bans with a view to elimination of sugary drinks.

But before we rush to judge just remember folks that this National gummint is engaging in the same re tobacco.All fellow travellers.

http://www.odt.co.nz/campus/university-otago/291158/eliminating-sugary-drinks-2025-aspirational-aim
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February 11, 2014 8:16am
Scott Chris

I detest gangs with a passion

And yet you support the mechanism that keeps them in business; ie The War On Drugs
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February 11, 2014 8:23am
Elaycee

@Keeping Stock: What is uber disturbing, is evidence suggesting the ‘Mob’ was running a protection racket with prostitutes working in ‘their’ area and Manning was ‘targeted’ because she didn’t want to pay up.

So they attack her / rape her / mutilate her.

Sickening.
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February 11, 2014 8:29am
smttc

John Key STFU. Stop doing your voluntary streams of consciousness with the MSM. It’s uncalled for and just gets you in the shit or asked for a “please explain” which you often muff. Just stop doing it.

I detest Helen Clark. But there is no bloody way she would have told the media the little insight into the operation of our spy agencies Key gave the media yesterday.
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February 11, 2014 8:29am
Sofia

flash2846 _ you missed a few …

David Grey – attritionist
Clayton Weatherston – butcher
Stanley Graham – Kokatahi Gunclub member
Ron Jorgensen and John Gillies – automatic weapons promoters
to begin with …
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February 11, 2014 8:31am
Odakyu-sen

But, flash2846, but, but, but,

It’s all our fault…(upper lip quivering)… didn’t you know?

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February 11, 2014 8:43am
Pete George

A new “non political party” activist group called ActionStation is advertising for a Nationsl Campaign Manager and have plans to employ more leading up to the election. Seems like they have some good funding.

They just happen to have people and policies in common with the Greens (and “zero carbon” Generation Zero), there Director was the Green National Campaign Mamanger at the last election, and the job has been promoted by Metiria Turei.

How Green is Action Station?
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February 11, 2014 8:45am
kowtow

smttc

Helen Clark was happy to take in quite a few.
This govt is taking in 100 Syrian refugees who may be the precursor to the next generation.

On the one hand we stop them leaving the country and on the other we keep importing them.

Madness.

I’d like to see some indepth ,investigative journalism on just who these people are. Won’t get it though as that would be “racist” or some such.

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=17&art_id=142286&sid=41531946&con_type=1&d_str=20140210&isSearch=1&sear_year=2014
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February 11, 2014 8:47am
lilman

Your Maori best and worst list when compared to the European list really isn’t fair,rational or non biased,it simply is a shot at the truth and that is for every bad egg there. Are good ones on both sides”,poor posting I say.
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February 11, 2014 8:53am
SGA

flash2846 at 8:15 am

Dame Malvina Major, but not Kiri Te Kanawa. Odd omission. Is it because she spent so much time overseas you don’t consider her a New Zealander, or was it her appearance on Downton Abbey that tipped the balance?
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February 11, 2014 8:53am
kowtow

Elaycee

Protection racket?

That’s impossible, Timmy Barnette told us all would be sweetness and light with that Bill of his!
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February 11, 2014 8:55am
flipper

1. flash2846 (70 comments) says:
February 11th, 2014 at 8:15 am
HERE’S A LIST OF SOME OF THE FAMOUS PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY
SOME FAMOUS NEW ZEALANDERS
Edmond Hillary – Famous Mountaineer
Sir Peter Blake – Successful Yachtsman
~~Norman Kirk – Pretty good Prime Minister~~
Caroline & Georgina Evers-Swindell – Gold Medalists
Sam Morgan – Founder of TradeMeScott Dixon – Indianapolis 500 winner
Dr Fred Hollows – Revolutionary Eye Surgeon
Sir Peter Jackson – Filmmaker
Prof.Alan MacDiarmid – Nobel laureate chemist
Daniel carter – Rugby Legend
Sir John Walker – Gold Medalist
Mahé Drysdale – Gold Medalist
Keri Hulme – Writer
Dave Dobbyn – Singer/Songwriter
Grant Dalton – America’s Cup Team Boss
Russell Crowe – Actor
,del>Neil Finn – Composer/Singer
Lisa Carrington – Gold Medalist
Jane Campion – Film Director
Gwenda Turner – Author
Dame Malvina Major – Singer
Sir Peter Snell – ~~runner~~ Track athlete
Sir Peter Gluckman – ~~Chief Science Advisor~~ paediatrician
Stephen Fleming – ~~Brilliant~~ Cricket Captain
Gareth Farr – Composer
Bill Sutton – Artist
Sarah Ulmer – Gold Medalist
Charles Upham – Awarded Victoria Cross twice
~~Anna Paquin – Academy Award Winning Actress~~
John Key – Great Prime Minister
Helen Clark – OK Prime Minister
A J Hackett – Bungy Jumping Pioneer
Richie McCaw – Rugby Legend
Kate Sheppard – Suffragist
~~Keith Urban – Famous Musician~~
Alan MacDiarmid – Information Age Pioneer
John Britten – Revolutionary Motorcycle Designer
Melanie Lynskey – Successful Actress
Lorde – Self Made Pop Star
~~Richard Curtis – Respected Screen Writer~~
Ernest Rutherford – physicist
Sir Brian Barratt-Boyes – heart surgeon
~~Katherine Mansfield – writer~~
Colin Murdoch – inventor
Dr Matthew During – Scientist
Sir Bill Hamilton – inventor
Arthur Lydiard – ~~RunningLegend~~ Track and distance coach
ETC.ETC.ETC………..
SOME FAMOUS MAORI
William Bell – Murderer
Ben Haerewa – Child abuser/Murderer
Jules Mikus – Rapist/Murderer
Kereopa Te Rau – Murderer
Edward Te Whiu – Murderer
David Tamihere – Rapist/Murderer
Paul DALLY – Murderer
Paraire Te Awa – Paedophile/Murderer
Raymond RATIMA – Murderer
Mita Tarawa – Paedophile/Murderer
Arapeta Awatere – Murderer
Titewhai Harawira – Abuser of mentally impaired boys
Malcolm Rewa – Serial rapist
Sonny-Boy Makoare – Murderer
Joseph Thompson – Serial rapist
Nicholas Reekie – Serial rapist
Metiria Turei – Twat
Rachealle Namana – Child abuser/Paedophile/Killer
Rongomai Paewai – Child abuser/Paedophile/Killer
Tania Witika – Child abuser/Paedophile/Killer
Lisa Kuka – Child abuser/Paedophile/Probable Killer
Wiremu Curtis – Child abuser/Paedophile/Killer
Michael Curtis – Child abuser/Paedophile/Killer
Michael Pearson – Child abuser/Paedophile
Oriwa Kemp – Child abuser/Paedophile
William Curtis – Paedophile
Trent Hapuku – Child abuser/Killer
Itupa Mikaio – Child abuser
Benny Haerewa – Child abuser/Murderer
Bailey Junior Kurariki – Murderer
Maata Waterhouse – Child abuser/Murderer
Hone Harawira – Assistant abuser/Racist
Taffy Hotene – Murderer
Chris Kahui – Murderer
Te Rangi Whakaruru – Child abuser/Killer
Belinda Edmonds – Child abuser/Killer
Dorothy Tipene – Child abuser/Killer
Matthew Lorangi – Child abuser/Murderer
Genesis Mahanga – Child abuser/Murderer
Hoana Matiu – Child abuser/Murderer
Loi-lea Waiora Te Wini – Murderer
Puti Maxwell – Killer
Kararina Te Tauna – Killer
Wayne Paekau – Murderer
Renee Kara O’Brien – Murderer
Ray Kara – Murderer
Kalem Ames – Killer
ETC.ETC.ETC…………
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February 11, 2014 9:01am
flash2846

SGA – Could have added hundreds more on each list. The point is my country promotes one culture over the others when there are so many great contributions from European, Asian and even Polynesian New Zealanders.
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February 11, 2014 9:01am
flash2846

lilman – That was the point
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February 11, 2014 9:02am
Keeping Stock

@ Tom Jackson – it’s a rare day, but I could not agree with you more

@ Elaycee – Mellory Manning had the guts to stand up to the Mongrel Mob, so they raped her, bashed her, butchered her, and barked like dogs as they did it. It’s almost impossible to comprehend what could produce such mindless violence. It’s time that gangs like the Mongrel Mob were outlawed and dismantled.
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February 11, 2014 9:02am
Tauhei Notts

Longknives;
I disagree with you. It wouild not have been difficult for one police officer to visit that Worcester Street house earlier in the day and suggest (!) that things must be quiet later on or the consequences will be serious. That police officer should have pleaded with the people there to not force the Police’s hand.
Then, when that polite request is ignored, the heavy artillery should be sent in.
It would appear that in this case the police did nothing until the situation was awful; then had to do plenty.
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February 11, 2014 9:04am
Pete George

Whale Oil on the procession of party leaders to Dotcom/s mansion, with Winston Peters added to the list.

Winston Peters is being less than honest though because my sources tell me that last year he did go out to the Dotcom Mansion at least three times.

Winston Peters has also made much pf parliamentary privilege to allege all sorts of claims against John Key…after at least three visits to the mansion I imagine he has more to spin.

What is more concerning though is that Kim Dotcom thinks he can influence and buy off politicians at the drop of a hat. He donates money to John Banks, and seeks favours. Russel Norman visits and now he announces he is not in favour of our extradition treaties, Winston Peters visits at least three times and now he is pushing Dotcom’s agenda from parliament.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/02/don-brash-russel-norman-now-winston-hasnt-sit-dotcoms-lap/

The Dotcom plot thickens and widens.
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February 11, 2014 9:06am
SGA

flash2846 at 9:01 am

SGA – Could have added hundreds more on each list. The point is my country promotes one culture over the others when there are so many great contributions from European, Asian and even Polynesian New Zealanders.

But all those people on the first part your list are famous (at least in NZ), aren’t they?
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February 11, 2014 9:07am
smttc

kowtow, NZ’s immigration policy is another issue altogether. My concern, as best articulated by Paul Buchanan, is that Key shot from the mouth without thinking through the implications. The PM should not be giving public insights into the operations of our spy agencies.

As for giving “the enemy” a heads up that their activities have been infiltrated, well………………
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February 11, 2014 9:07am
flipper

Delete from above list:

Neil Finn – Composer/Singer
Lisa Carrington – Gold Medalist
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February 11, 2014 9:14am
kowtow

scott chris says the war on drugs keeps the gangs in power.

Bullshit.

The case in question proves that. Prostitution ,totally legal yet they are making money on a protection racket that Timmy said would magically go away with his bill.

And what drugs ? Even if some were decriminalised,cannabis for example ,the gangs would still stay involved in selling it to the under aged and in manufacturing and distributing drugs that will never be decriminalised such as methamphetamines.

The war on drugs is not working because it is not being pursued vigorously enough.Also the media and other agencies are on the side of the traffickers glamorising it etc Schappelle Corby.
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February 11, 2014 9:23am
flash2846

Hey folks

I am glad my first post provoked, it was meant to. Last weekend I heard some very distressing accounts of children and babies being literally raped, tortured and killed. It made me sick and fuelled my already racist heart. To give an example one little girl of two was picked up like a bowling ball by both her piece of shit mother and a piece of shit male. CYFS either couldn’t or wouldn’t do anything to help this little girl. I don’t know where the girl is now, in a living hell is my guess.

In my view the greens, labour, mana left are on the side of the scum who perpetrate such crimes because they vote. The surviving children will undoubtedly grow to be like the parent and of course vote the left.

Too many sleepless nights for flash I’m afraid. Can’t wait until I am next called for jury duty.

I will have a look at comments tonight after work.
Have a good day all.
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February 11, 2014 9:37am
igm

When is this National Government going to throw the obese German criminal on a plane with his extradition papers? This felon is interfering in both our political and legal systems with intention of gaining citizenship. He must go, and go now.
When is the Lecher from Auckland going to be put in another embarrassing situation, it is about time, he is getting an armchair ride currently by print, radio and television media. Some outlets are even letting their left wing bias start ruling, holding him in esteem . . . it is sick!
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February 11, 2014 9:38am
Pete George

With Act, Greens and NZ First all now connected to Dotcom (Labour?) this has serious political and judicial implications in relation to Dotcom’s extradition and to anything related to the GCSB.

I put it to Peter Dunne and he responded “I have neither been invited nor gone to any meeting with Dotcom!”

He confirmed this publicly on Twitter: “For the record, I have not joined this homage queue.”
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February 11, 2014 9:39am
Alan

The Seven Sharp fluff piece last week about the Mongrel Mob at Wiatangi looks in particularly bad taste given what we’re hearing from the court in christchurch.

At the time I wondered who ok’d it.

What next, pizza and wine with the Sicilian Mafia ?
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February 11, 2014 9:39am
Sidey

Feel free to list your achievements in public life, Flipper.
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February 11, 2014 9:39am
Keeping Stock

@ igm – sensibly, the National-led Government is leaving the matter of whether or not Dotcom should be extradited to the Courts, as they absolutely should. I have just blogged on a story which hasn’t as yet been widely reported other than by 3News; that a Labour/Green government would give strong consideration to overturning any court-ordered extradition order on Dotcom.

Effectively, if you want Dotcom to stay in New Zealand, vote for David or Russel & Metiria.
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February 11, 2014 9:46am
Nostalgia-NZ

KS. I doubt we will get the true picture with the Mellory Manning case. No doubt this guy, who has given at least 4 different stories is involved but I doubt we will ever know to what extent. The mob and others have a long history of ‘getting’ recruits to ‘own up’ in order to take the heat off and protect others. As for arguments about the legalisation of prostitution and so on, at this point it looks like Mellory was going to lose her life whether prostitution was legal or not. ‘Taxing’ has been going on for decades in what ever form the perps can get away with. We may find out, but I think there might have been an enormous disconnection between what is learnt in Court that happened and what really went down. Although the distinction might not be readily apparent, if it’s true the mob were after money, or more likely some of the members acting individually – there is a big difference between than and where this case went. I doubt there is a plan along the lines of if such and such doesn’t pay we will rape and kill her before throwing her body in the river and all which has followed that. There may have been a ‘we’ll start leaning on the street workers and taxing them,’ the problem being a group, disorganised, harbouring psychos and deviants of various descriptions with possibly an amassed iq rating in single figures being a recipe for disaster. I’d be interested to learn of what support was available to Mellory and if she sought help. I’m sure the majority would consider the police well capable of having been able to help her if it had come to their attention, however she may have been a person unwilling to go to police, or alternatively Fawcett could be entirely full of it both with his admissions and denials.

There was a case like this in Auckland about 15 years ago where it seemed an accurate picture emerged and the defendant, Stone, I think his name was, was convicted, on evidence that seemed reliable and not filtered by the machinations of someone trying to escape culpability.
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February 11, 2014 9:48am
igm

Keeping Stock: He should be bundled out now . . . he is technically interfering in the politics of another country, to which he has no attachment. Labour/Greens would grease to him, both parties are in financial straits, needing to fund their election campaigns.
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February 11, 2014 9:55am
Alan

The problem with the legalisation of prostitution is that it wasn’t thought through properly, the idea behind the law is correct, but it should have criminalised street workers. People working from home or commercial premises cause no problems, people on the street do, and they expose themselves to harm like in this case.

Police enforcement of the laws is very light, Auckland has ~500 asian escorts, the vast majority of the working illegally on non resident class visas.

NZ should adopt a Queensland style solution, in the last 6 months they’ve launched a full scale war against bikie gangs, with the tax authorities and police working hand in glove.
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February 11, 2014 9:58am
Pete George

And Patrick Gower makes it clear why Dotcom wants National out and Labour/Greens/NZ First in – they may save his bacon.

Norman opposing any Dotcom extradition “I’ve always said I don’t support the extradition process.”

And Cunliffe with his usual Yeah, nah.
“I haven’t formed a view on that yet and I’d want to see more of the arguments. Prima Facie the current Government’s opposition against Mr Dotcom appears to be outside the law in a number of respects my anticipation is that would make it quite difficult for an extradition to proceed.”

Gower: “A Labour-Green government could potentially free Dotcom.”

Which brings me to the folly of Dotcom’s Internet Party – having a political movement behind him will obviously be another argument against extradition.

While it polled 0% in the first 3 News-Reid Research poll since it was named, when asked specifically, 1 in 5 voters said they would “consider” voting for it.

Most of its potential voters come from “undecideds” or Labour/Greens/NZ First – technically the Opposition.

But with Dotcom incredibly unlikely to make 5% or win an electorate seat, then this will be what’s called “wasted vote”, rather than change the Government.

And that favours one person – John Key.

It seems a bit of a selfish political own goal by Dotcom to me, and is why Russel Norman has been scurrying up to the mansion begging Dotcom not to stand.

But what a delicious irony: Kim Dotcom might actually help John Key win the 2014 election.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Opinion-Labour-Greens-willing-to-free-Dotcom/tabid/1382/articleID/331730/Default.aspx

That any party leader (or representative of any party) is cavorting with Dotcom while he faces extradition is alarming.
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February 11, 2014 10:03am
Harriet

“….at this point it looks like Mellory was going to lose her life whether prostitution was legal or not. ‘Taxing’ has been going on for decades in what ever form the perps can get away with….”

There wasn’t much taxing in NZ as prostitutes were protected to some degree by the police.

Prostitutes had to submit their ID at the local police station and put on a register what massage parlor they were going to work in and under what name, the police [vice squad] then did checks on the parlors to see that only ‘registered’ people worked there. Gangs and the like had no real involvement in massage parlors because the police ‘policed them as much as they legally could’ and prostitutes then saw massage parlors as being of relative safety. Most prostitutes then worked for parlors because they were safe compared to being on the streets. That’s why their was never really many streetwalkers.

Junkies also stayed away from working in brothels as this drew attention to their dealer/boyfriend/pimp due to the police presence, and if any did get pass the police check the ‘madams’ then notified the police. Junkies are unreliable and customers didn’t like them so the madams saw them as a liability. If they didn’t notify the police….well then…..And that is how the heroin tree got shook in the Mr Asia days.

No I didn’t go to brothels – I knew a former vice squad cop.
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February 11, 2014 10:04am
James Stephenson

Keeping Stock: He should be bundled out now . . .

The proper place for the decision on whether he should be extradited is in the courts, but that’s an expensive business so let’s just deport him back to his native Germany, as he clearly fails any “good character” test you may wish to apply.

The Jerries can then do a neat little swap with the Seppos for Paul Watson and there’s two piracy problems solved for the price of one.
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February 11, 2014 10:09am
stephieboy

I am curious to know why Colin Craig failed to turn up at the Gay Pride festival last weekend.?If it’s good enough for John Key’s and others then it’s good enough for Col.
Or is it I suspect ,he and his party are such crashing bores.?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11199074
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February 11, 2014 10:15am
wikiriwhis business

‘Delete from above list:

Neil Finn – Composer/Singer
Lisa Carrington – Gold Medalist ‘

What have you done Flipper
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February 11, 2014 10:16am
wikiriwhis business

Bank fee fight widens to ASB, BNZ, Westpac

A class action group fighting allegedly unfair bank fees has announced it will sue ASB, BNZ and Westpac this month.

Fair Play on Fees has already commenced legal action against ANZ, the country’s biggest bank, and Kiwibank, which is owned by the state.

More than 38,800 New Zealanders have signed up to the lawsuit so far.

more to come

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9708045/Bank-fee-fight-widens-to-ASB-BNZ-Westpac

This is SOOOOO good. Along with international bankers seeing justice, NZ banks are not immune.

Only vested bankers would be unhappy.
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February 11, 2014 10:19am
Harriet

“…..NZ should adopt a Queensland style solution, in the last 6 months they’ve launched a full scale war against bikie gangs, with the tax authorities and police working hand in glove….”

I live there. The drag net is far too big…..they stop EVERYONE who rides a Harley ect, they stop Sunday convoys of innocent riders then check everyone and every bike on the ride, which means that they either have to wait up to an hour on the side of the road in 30+ heat or then ride on seperately.

The best way to take the gangs down quickly and permantly is to crack down on all the customers who buy drugs. NSW puts drug dogs through train stations, gay nite clubs, public bars, malls, parks ect. It hits the gangs in their pockets.

No one gets a free pass in the NSW drug war!
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February 11, 2014 10:26am
wikiriwhis business

Job seeker claims age knock-back

A Timaru man one year off receiving superannuation is taking Alpine Energy to the Human Rights Review Tribunal for age discrimination after he was not given a job.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/9706252/Job-seeker-claims-age-knock-back

Reality of the job market you won’t see on this blog
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February 11, 2014 10:28am
wikiriwhis business

‘No one gets a free pass in the NSW drug war!’

Best way to fight the drug war and gangs is to dispossess the gangs by legalising drugs.

Starting to happen now as well.

Prohibition never works and only breeds a black market and criminalises. Imagine the empty space in prisions and savings in tax dollars by banning prohibition!

The only reason for prohibition is to perpertrate and broaden a police state.
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February 11, 2014 10:31am
Pete George

Kim Dotcom has just tweeted:

@KimDotcom

If #InternetParty won’t poll 5+% before ballot papers are printed we’ll self destruct & put our weight behind a party adopting our policies.

“Our policies” seems to revolve around “saving me from extradition”.
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February 11, 2014 10:33am
Harriet

“Labour brought you the big three, homosexual law reform, civil union, marriage equality and there is more to do,” – David Cunliffe

More to do? …….educate kids that sodomy and sexual diseases are normal……restrict religion……restrict freedom of speech….

You must all now join the gay homage queue, and if you are not doing a happy little dance and yelling “I Love Gay People” – just like Key and Cunliffe are doing – then you are a Hater and must be silenced.

We fucken told you so! 😎
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February 11, 2014 10:38am
wikiriwhis business

” – just like Key and Cunliffe are doing –”

The Nat/Lab coalition. Soul mates in the cupboard.
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February 11, 2014 10:41am
Longknives

“NSW puts drug dogs through train stations, gay nite clubs, public bars, malls, parks etc”

Could you just imagine the uproar, howling and wailing and accusations of ‘Persecution’ from Louisa Wall and Co if their precious ‘Rainbow Community’ was targeted?
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February 11, 2014 10:41am
Harriet

“…..Could you just imagine the uproar, howling and wailing and accusations of ‘Persecution’ from Louisa Wall and Co if their precious ‘Rainbow Community’ was targeted?….”

And that’s exactly what happened in Sydney! 😎
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February 11, 2014 10:55am
igm

Harriet: Don’t forget Goff wants to remove a lot of power from incest laws, lower the age of consent, and of course, rainbows must get preferential treatment in adoption; it will help to promote their cause, poisoning young impressionable minds to their doctrine. Don’t forget a lot of unionised teachers also subscribe to Clark and Simpson’s social engineering theories . . . disgusting.
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February 11, 2014 10:56am
Alan

The war on drugs has been lost, and it’s been lost because lots of people all over the world really like drugs and want to buy them.

Putting a law between a buyer and a seller has never worked in the history of the world.

In fact, all it does is cause harm by putting a “risk tax” on prices and encouraging people into property crime to fund their purchases.

It’s economics 101.
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February 11, 2014 11:11am
Pete George

Felix Marwick puts Treaty claims in perspective:

So let’s put it in context; since 1992 the Crown has settled around a billion dollars worth of claims – that’s around 50 million dollars a year in value.

Currently the Government is borrowing 78 million dollars a month as part of its fiscal policy. And last year it spent 10.2 billion dollars on superannuation alone.

That’s 10 times to totality of all the money spent on Treaty deals. So in terms of what the Government is doing settlement costs are a very small drop in a very large bucket.

It’s something to think about if our National Day makes you want to lose your rag.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/opinion/political-report-11feb-2014

Rag losers tend to not think things through very much.
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February 11, 2014 11:26am
dime

Dime says legalise!

I was to be able to pop along to my chemist and buy a giant batch of HGH… then walk around looking like arnie circa 1980
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February 11, 2014 11:30am
Longknives

Pete- I’ve thought about Treaty Claims an awful lot lately (What with that fucking disgraceful ‘Waitangi Day’ and all that…), I’m also pretty well schooled up in NZ History (actual NZ History not the rewritten bollocks they brainwash our kids with in schools these days)..
And I have come to the conclusion that those greedy parasites don’t deserve a fucking cent.
In fact, I think they should pay back the billion dollars they have swindled from the NZ taxpayer as well.
Have a nice day.
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February 11, 2014 11:44am
Longknives

Dime- Not Arnie circa Conan the Barbarian in ’82? The shape of his life…
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February 11, 2014 11:52am
igm

I repeat, after hearing yet another news item, the obese criminal must be thrown from NZ immediately. He is definitely meddling in our electoral process, and as he is not a citizen, he should go. Imagine what Angela would do to one of us if we interfered in Germany’s electoral process. This obese beast must be sorted out real quick!
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February 11, 2014 12:05pm
dime

longknives – anywhere from 1970 – 1990 will do heh

he did win his last Olympia in 1980
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February 11, 2014 12:08pm
iMP

So, is BARACK OBAMA HAVING AN AFFAIR? The speculation about an affair between Beyonce and Barack Obama is interesting, although not proven. I thought the photo op. body language between the Obamas was revealing at the Mandela memorial service, and then Michelle staying on in Hawaii alone for a few weeks for her 50th ‘with friends’ while the president looked after the girls, was odd.. I said then, I felt something was up. I hope not, but these things – if true – never lay hidden, ala Clinton.

Watch this space. Apparently a journo at Washington Post is sitting on something.
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February 11, 2014 12:25pm
Ashley Schaeffer

So, is BARACK OBAMA HAVING AN AFFAIR?

It depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.
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February 11, 2014 12:33pm
Viking2

Pete George (20,955 comments) says:
February 11th, 2014 at 9:39 am

With Act, Greens and NZ First all now connected to Dotcom (Labour?) this has serious political and judicial implications in relation to Dotcom’s extradition and to anything related to the GCSB.

I put it to Peter Dunne and he responded “I have neither been invited nor gone to any meeting with Dotcom!”

He confirmed this publicly on Twitter: “For the record, I have not joined this homage queue.”
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why would he be asked.
He can never make a principled stand on anything. Waste of space and time he went to the knackers yard.
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February 11, 2014 12:38pm
Viking2

igm (398 comments) says:
February 11th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

I repeat, after hearing yet another news item, the obese criminal must be thrown from NZ immediately. He is definitely meddling in our electoral process, and as he is not a citizen, he should go. Imagine what Angela would do to one of us if we interfered in Germany’s electoral process. This obese beast must be sorted out real quick!
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Even of you don’t think so freedom of speech and freedom of association still remain the rights of every person in NZ.

Did you call forthe Indian fellow who has been convicted of Election crimes to be deported?
Did you call for the Labour Party, the Brethern , the Greens, the National party, many Mp’s et al who have all been guilty of the same behaviors to be deported?

You really are boring with your constant whining.
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February 11, 2014 12:42pm
Pete George

More labour problems in the Labour leader’s office:

@CTrevettNZH

Sources report David Cunliffe’s chief of staff Wendy Brandon has resigned five months into the job.
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February 11, 2014 1:02pm
Elaycee

@Pete George: According to the tweet on the sidebar, the resignation was for health reasons.

Katie Bradford @katieabradford
Labour leader David Cunliffe’s Chief of Staff Wendy Brandon has resigned for health reasons, less than six months into the job.

Maybe she just got sick of working with an arsehole.
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February 11, 2014 1:25pm
Pete George

Elaycee – sad if it’s personal health reasons and sad if it’s work related.

@katieabradford

Labour has now had four people in the role of chief of staff since the 2011 election

@dpfdpf

So Labour has gone through four Chiefs of Staff in two years. That must be a record. Which poor sod will be CoS No 5?
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February 11, 2014 1:27pm
Pete George

Labour leader David Cunliffe’s chief of staff Wendy Brandon has resigned five months into the job, citing ill health.

Ms Brandon was a respected Auckland lawyer before taking up the role in Mr Cunliffe’s office last September.

Sources said Labour’s caucus and staff were told today she had resigned because of a serious case of shingles.

Ms Brandon has been on leave for several weeks because of the illness.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11200043

Risk Factors

Stress is another factor that may contribute to outbreaks. While stress alone does not cause the outbreaks, shingles often occurs in people who have recently had a stressful event in their lives.

http://nihseniorhealth.gov/shingles/causesandriskfactors/01.html
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February 11, 2014 1:38pm
peterwn

‘Action Station’ – assuming it is a Green Party off-shoot – could it be a mechanism to flout electoral law without putting Green candidates / MP’s at risk of disqualification?
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February 11, 2014 1:45pm
stephieboy

IMP, Baracak having an affair.? Possibly but I do hope your Washimgton informant before he or she casts the first stone takes time out and revisits these rather tawdry and sordid Republican sex scandals,

http://www.ranker.com/list/republican-sex-scandals/web-

BTW casting stones appears to be a far right and tea bagger
obssession.
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February 11, 2014 1:50pm
Ashley Schaeffer

Sources said Labour’s caucus and staff were told today she had resigned because of a serious case of shingles.

That information doesn’t need to be in the public arena. ‘Ill health’ is adequate enough I would have thought.
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February 11, 2014 1:52pm
igm

Viking: The fat slug is not a NZ citizen, he only has residency. He is a puppet of the left, now possibly a benefactor, and the media use him as a pawn to further their political aspirations. He is a menace, an embarrassment, and a felon, who should not have been allowed in, yet the government of the day were losers, and we must rid ourselves of him . . . now!
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February 11, 2014 2:16pm
Pete George

and we must rid ourselves of him . . . now!

No, we must follow our proper legal processes.
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February 11, 2014 2:35pm
Fletch

So according to a new book which has taken 10 years to write and was ‘compiled with the help of Arabic-speaking students’, the Koran says nothing about Israel belonging to the Muslims; in fact, The Koran says Israel belongs to the Jews.

Middle Eastern affairs professor Nissim Dana spoke to Arutz Sheva Monday about his upcoming book, To Whom Does This Land Belong?: New Insights into the Koran, and revealed that Islam absolutely does not have a claim to the Land of Israel – even by its own standards.

The Professor explained that the new book, published by the Bialik Institute and Ariel University, reveals several more insights into the Koran that remain unknown to the average Muslim and even some Muslim religious leaders.

Dana noted that top Islamic figures, such as Sheikh Yusuf Al Qaradawi, have embarked on a fierce campaign to separate the Jewish people from their rightful homeland and claim that Muslims have a sacred right to the Land of Israel.

However, Professor Dana noted, Al Qaradawi’s efforts defy the Koran itself. Israel is mentioned eight times, according to the Professor, and there is not a single mention that it belongs to Arabs or Muslims. “Whenever there is a reference to the Land of Israel and to whom it belongs, the Koran points to the Jewish people,” Professor Dana explained.

Dana pointed to Koran 7:7, where G-d Himself bequeaths the Land of Israel to the Jews, as a nation who thought themselves weak, and blesses them with goodness. The “weakness,” according to Dana, is a reference to the Torah’s incident with the Spies in Bamidbar (Numbers), where Israel’s representatives hesitate to go into the land out of fear.

As for the argument that the Land of Israel was originally intended for the Jews, but G-d switched allegiances to Islam, Dana notes that there is no source in the Koran for such a statement. He adds a source in the fifth chapter of the Islamic holy text whereby Mohammed says on his deathbed that returning to the Land of Israel is impossible in and of itself, because G-d placed in Moses’s mouth the declaration that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people.

He backs up his argument with proof from one of the greatest and well-known commentators on the Koran who sought to determine where Israel’s borders are for the Jewish people on the basis of the Koran and determined that, according to Islam, the Jewish people are privy to land between the Nile and the Euphrates.

Dana noted that his book took over ten years to write and was compiled with the help of Arabic-speaking students who knew the language and its sources well. Most Muslims do not have deep knowledge of the Koran itself, he noted, and thus their beliefs about the Jewish people and the Land of Israel are dependent mostly on their leaders.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/177319

I guess Muslims need to spend some time actually reading what their book says.
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February 11, 2014 2:45pm
stephieboy

When the far ight here here the words ” proper legal processes “, they reach for their guns.!
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February 11, 2014 2:46pm
Manolo

The Kenyan changes laws as he pleases: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/white-house-delays-health-insurance-mandate-for-medium-sized-employers-until-2016/2014/02/10/ade6b344-9279-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-thats-good-thing-president-i-can-do-whatever-i-want_778944.html
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February 11, 2014 2:56pm
Tom Jackson

So, is BARACK OBAMA HAVING AN AFFAIR? The speculation about an affair between Beyonce and Barack Obama is interesting, although not proven

Like Obama would dare cuckold Jay Z
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February 11, 2014 2:59pm
RichardX

Fletch (5,505 comments) says:
February 11th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
I guess Muslims need to spend some time actually reading what their book says.

They are not the only religion to whom you could throw that accusation
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February 11, 2014 3:07pm
doggone7

Watching Peter Dunne in Parliament today suggests to me the people of Ohariu are represented by a scumbag.
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February 11, 2014 3:08pm
Pete George

A nasty attack on David Garrett by one of the nastiest at The Standard who happens to be a unionist and Labour activist.

Coincidentally there’s another thread running there on The politics of nastiness but most of them turn a blind eye when it comes from their own side although the extremes of the extremely ironically named Te Reo Putake (Voice of Reason) sometimes get challenged as he was this time.
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February 11, 2014 3:10pm
Pete George

How well do you think the people of Hutt South are represented doggone7 And how well is the NZ First constituency represented?

Isn’t it a bit sad that all Mallard and Peters seem to be able to do is bang on about the past.
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February 11, 2014 3:17pm
Keeping Stock

@ Pete George – but surely, if Peter Dunne hadn’t leaked a draft of the Kitteridge report to “the Fairfax journalist” as Mallard refers to Ms Vance, he would just say so, don’t you think?
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February 11, 2014 3:21pm
stephieboy

Manolo , why do you keep repeating known canards like the Benghazi Conpiracy theories , the lie that Obama is a Kenyan,that he’s not a US citizen ,alleged IRS scandal etc.? These seem to invariably originate on your far right blogs like the Weekend Standard.
Now the latest one, that Obama is a dictator in his own right.How many Republicans and tea baggers has he detained or consigned to FEMA camps and Gulags as a
consequence of these newly acquired powers.?
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February 11, 2014 3:24pm
kowtow

Fletch

That’s just the problem.The Koran is full of hatred for Jews ,head cutting off stuff and various other nasty activities about those who don’t /won’t follow the blood and sex crazed desert war lord revealing the literal word of God in Arabic to Arabs.
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February 11, 2014 3:37pm
Pete George

KS – I presume he’s refusing to play there game. Isn’t it common for Minister’s to refuse to answer questions that aren’t relevant to their responsibilities?

Are you suggesting any accusations made in QT should be fully answered regardless of their relevance?

Key has appointed Dunne so that must mean he has confidence in him? It would be a major worry if he doesn’t.
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February 11, 2014 3:38pm
Sofia

I wonder if the Greens and Cunliffe have actually read the Jan 5, 2012, 72 page Eastern District of Virginia Grand Jury Indictment against Kim Dotcom, Megaupload, Vestor Ltd and six others?
I don’t know that the actions, or inactions, of the New Zealand Police at the bidding of the US has altered in any way the original Indictment.
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February 11, 2014 3:46pm
doggone7

Keeping Stock

Yes, give him credit for not telling lies by not telling the truth!

Pete George
They may be as well represented as Ohariu is but the answers to the questions are the important thing.

Very recently a baby was taken from its mother because she had previously been involved in an abuse case. She is not to be trusted. Should she be allowed to keep and raise her baby when demonstrably there is a risk? The past.

You can say the two in the House today are “banging on about the past” but Dunne demonstrably has failed to show he can be trusted. He is in such a position of political importance for Mr Key his past doesn’t matter. That may not be corruption but it suggests there is something rotten when people in their positions have that level of integrity. Worse is that people support what they are doing and don’t hold them to account. (While of course being prepared to raise merry hell over some down-and-out beneficiary for the hint of any wrong doing.)
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February 11, 2014 3:46pm
Pete George

So are you suggesting that Key has made a serious mistake re-appointing Dunne to ministerial responsibilities? That’s what you imply.

Tell me how Dunne has demonstrated a failure of trust compared to every other Minister?
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February 11, 2014 3:52pm
Sofia

Dunne confessed to being particularly “stupid” and various of derogatory adjectives he used to describe his own actions without actually telling us what those actions were so we may judge for ourselves.
That is to be trusted?
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February 11, 2014 4:04pm
Sofia

Peter George – Tell me how Dunne has demonstrated a failure of trust compared to every other Minister?

Yes, you are right.
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February 11, 2014 4:12pm
safesally

Was it Dunne who had the thing for Andrea Vance and leaked confidential material? or was it one of his secretaries?
My information from Wellington (third hand) is that it was the secretary but Dunne believes the buck stops with him. If this is true I will respect Peter Dunne again; if not he is a disgrace not unlike Peters, Turei, Harawira, Norman and Cunliffe.
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February 11, 2014 4:42pm
publicwatchdog

Solicitor-General expected to advise by 28 Feb 2014 if leave to be granted for private prosecution of Auckland Mayor Len Brown:

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/LEN-BROWN-LEAVE-TO-PROSECUTE-Solicitor-General-Response-3-Feb-2014-1.pdf

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 11, 2014 5:13pm
Pauleastbay

I may return to National radio – Jim Moira’s show is getting canned, Simon Mercep to host new afternoon show.

I’m sure Jim’s a nice bloke but he was bloody dangerous. You are trying to drive and he was on the radio you’d find yourself heading off road toward the pines.
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February 11, 2014 5:23pm
stephieboy

My view is that his show was degenerating into info and newstainment. Pretty banal stuff actually. The panel after four was getting to be like a Radio Women’s Day.
Dangerous.? I take it you mean making you sleep at the wheel.?
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February 11, 2014 5:41pm
Pauleastbay

flash2846 @8.15am

Your list inspired me to give my first down tick to anyone ever, congratulations!
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February 11, 2014 5:44pm
Pauleastbay

stephieboy
Dangerous.? I take it you mean making you sleep at the wheel.?

Correct
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February 11, 2014 5:46pm
flash2846

Thanks Pauleastbay, I feel special

Our group discussed ‘the list’ and relative subjects one night over the weekend. This is just the tip of the iceberg and if ignored or in your case defended more babies, children and lets not forget the elderly will be abused and/or murdered. If you get a chance talk to someone who actually deals with such events, I guarantee you will change your mind somewhat.

Yes I am a racist, I make no apologies for that fact but it makes no difference to the fact that our country has a serious problem. When you go to your doctor due to illness, are you not diagnosed first? then some form of medication is prescribed, yes? Well a reasonable diagnosis for our horrendous child abuse statistics is that probably around 90% of it is perpetrated by some members of a race numbering 14% of our population; all of whom exist on welfare.

Now we know the problem, let us target the cure. Obviously throwing money at it only makes it worse.

Bye the way my wife was Maori and she understood my sentiments well. I’m still a racist though. Who isn’t?
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February 11, 2014 6:31pm
leftyliberal

“Well a reasonable diagnosis for our horrendous child abuse statistics is that probably around 90% of it is perpetrated by some members of a race numbering 14% of our population; all of whom exist on welfare.”

That’s easily proven to be false with just 2 minutes research. Try harder.
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February 11, 2014 7:09pm
KH

Fletch @2.45.
Tell us Fletch. Did they find the bit in the Koran where the Jewish Israelis are permitted to kill Palestinian Israelis. Take their land and keep them in poverty. Be good if you could find that bit for them. Make the whole thing legit like.
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February 11, 2014 7:17pm
flash2846

leftyliberal – I doubt that.
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February 11, 2014 7:59pm
nasska

People often ask for an explanation of “Marketing.”

You’re a woman and you see a handsome guy at a party. You go up
to him and say, “I’m fantastic in bed.”
That’s Direct Marketing.

You’re at a party with a bunch of friends and see a handsome
guy. One of your friends goes up to him and pointing at you
says, “She’s fantastic in bed.”
That’s Advertising.

You see a handsome guy at a party. You go up to him and
get his telephone number. The next day you call and say,
“Hi, I’m fantastic in bed.”
That’s Telemarketing.

You see a guy at a party, you straighten your dress. You walk
up to him and pour him a drink. You say, “May I,” and reach up
to straighten his tie, brushing your breast against his
arm, and then say, “By the way, I’m fantastic in bed.”
That’s Public Relations.

You’re at a party and see a handsome guy. He walks up to you
and says, I hear you’re fantastic in bed,”
That’s Brand Recognition.

You’re at a party and see a handsome guy. He fancies you, but
you talk him into going home with your friend.
That’s a Sales Rep.

Your friend can’t satisfy him so she calls you.
That’s Tech Support.

You see two great looking brothers at a party.
You decide to take them both home.
That’s a 2 for 1 sale.

You’re on your way to a party when you realize that there
could be handsome men in all these houses you’re passing. So
you climb onto the roof of one situated towards the centre and
shout at the top of your lungs, “I’m fantastic in bed!” .
That’s spam.
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February 11, 2014 8:00pm
Johnboy

You’re at a party when a gay fellow starts to chat you up so you tell him how much nasska would like to meet him and then you fuck off. That’s false advertising and a lucky escape! 🙂
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