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Manolo

A con-man exposed: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/06/Futile-Climate-Change-Companies-Seek-New-Leadership
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January 8, 2014 8:00am
J Bloggs

Boy, you have to be up early to be the first one to post on here…..
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January 8, 2014 8:03am
Pete George

Following the Shell announcement they will test drill off the Otago coast the Green opposition is quick off the mark overstating the risks of an oil spill.

There is very little chance of finding oil. They are looking for gas. Great South Basin oil find very unlikely:

Chance of finding no hydrocarbons = 70%
Chance of finding gas = 30%
Chance of finding oil = <1%

But this hasn’t stopped Greens with their predictable opposition. Gareth Hughes in Mixed response to Shell drill announcement:

Green MP Gareth Hughes says it’s an extremely rough location – and a risky one.

“Big storms wash though, it’s far from the worlds oil infrastructure and help if needed and I think many New Zealanders would struggle to believe that New Zealand waters could cope with a large scale oil spill.”

Mr Hughes says the announcement is “deeply concerning” for the local environment.

It is risky for sure (although big storms are common around the world, not just here), but there’s a very low risk of an oil spill, especially a large scale spill.
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January 8, 2014 8:07am
Colville

PG @ 8.07.

I hope Shell defy the odds and do discover vast quantities of oil if for no other reason than it will annoy the fuck out of the Gweens and especially Gaweth “air points” Hughes.

Drill baby drill 🙂
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January 8, 2014 8:23am
Left Right and Centre

At the tennis :

Did anyone else see a f-a-t brown 18 year old fella with cottage cheese thunder thighs do some cultural shit with tennis great David Ferrer ? I’d give that about a 7 / 10 cringe factor. He had some purple colour undies with a string thing and the flax thing – it was messy looking and horrible mate. Ill-fitting. I was ill and in fits. They’re not even really trying.

They had a wee interview with this dude; ‘ah yeah bro, choice mate, cuzzy speak cuzzy speak cuzzy speak’ with the full on genius noises. Made Billy T in character sound like far-king Simon Dallow….

Did they sound like that when the honkies first came along ?

What you really wanted to happen was David Ferrer to counter-offer a gift of a spare tennis racket and see this fat fuck drop dead after 20 mins of light cardio on court 🙂
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January 8, 2014 8:31am
flipper

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Two interesting news item follow-ups

1. J Key golfs with the Big O on O

US TV networks (broadcast and Cable) are continuing to run pix of the Key-Obama golf match.
Just about everyone except the Cunners/red Melon mob, a few dim-wit commenters here, and the base Dom Post, thinks that game and the ensuing publicity was good for New Zealand.
The US TV networks each have audience ratings with one or two more zeros than the left wing oriented NZ netwprks.

Oh dear. What a pity, Cunners. 🙂

2. The summer vacation – DAGW/CC cult scammers style

Fox News this morning ridiculed the silly Antarctic fraud and the frozen ice breakers. In a lengthy report, one Patti Ann Browne, even mentioned the fact that Australian and New Zealand taxpayers had funded the foolishness via “research” grants.

Lord, we are silly to allow this to continue. Perhaps this is a matter that will interest the SFO’s new Aussie boss. 🙂
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January 8, 2014 8:35am
peterwn

Pete George – and if I read it correctly, Gareth is envisaging a gusher within a few days of spudding in which will wreck the beaches while people are on holiday.
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January 8, 2014 8:38am
Keeping Stock

Did the editorial staff at the Herald cop some heat yesterday over its very friendly, sympathetic coverage of Russell Packer? If so, it would have been more than merited. The Herald editorial today is much less friendly towards the jailed league player, as it should be:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/an-about-turn-by-herald.html
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January 8, 2014 8:41am
Pete George

peterwn – not envisaging, trying to get the public to envisage it. Hughes must surely know the facts, or if he doesn’t then Clint should.

And Shell plan to drill over 100 km offshore with currents that would keep any unlikely small spill well away from the beaches. Any spill wouldn’t be good but the risks are being grossly overstated. As usual.
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January 8, 2014 8:47am
kowtow

TVNZ (K Bradford) covered the Shell gas story last night.
Shadbolt as Mayor of I’gill positive but then by way of “balance” we had Green Hughes oppossed as well as being treated to a cameo on the danger that the Bluff oysters face from this potential new industry…….

Anyway Otago needs the jobs,the country needs exports and the world needs energy……

drill baby drill

And to the soap dodgers who are opposed ,fuck off back to Goa,the dope peddlers are missing you.
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January 8, 2014 8:51am
RF

Reminder. They looking for gas not bloody oil.

Time for the Glove Puppet to fuck off.
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January 8, 2014 8:57am
duggledog

LR&C

Yes I did see that. I particularly enjoyed his comment when asked what it was like out there doing the haka on the tennis court.

He said ‘My feet got a bit hot’.

He’ll dine out on it for years and good on him.

Personally as a New Zealander viewing it I couldn’t help thinking of the contrast between the Maori lad and the hundreds of others surrounding him. I wonder how many privately went ‘ugh’!
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January 8, 2014 9:02am
Paulus

I was embarrassed to see a short sweaty fat man in a skirt at the tennis yesterday, prancing around like a fat ballerina (sic), for which I assume he was adequately paid in cash (tax free).
It make me cringe and sad.
When are we going to get over such antics ?
When are we going to come into the real world, away from weird mumbo jumbo, of made up taniwha tales ?
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January 8, 2014 9:04am
igm

Cyclists: About time these non-contributors were kept off main arterial routes, and stop pandering to these nutters. I, for one, have had a gutsful of these wankers riding three abreast, going through red lights, and breaking any other rules that put them at risk. The Lange/Palmer regime were the ones that changed rules to allow them onto roads cars/trucks, etc. pay road taxes to use. They must be stopped.
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January 8, 2014 9:14am
calendar girl

kowtow: It was great to see the ever-smiling Tim Shadbolt being highly positive about the gas exploration project, and its potential economic benefits for the region. I wish he would take Gareth Hughes aside for a fatherly chat and a bit of economic enlightenment.
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January 8, 2014 9:19am
Pete George

calendar girl – unfortunately the Dunedin mayor Dave Cull opposes offshore exploration, as does probably about half the Dunedin councillors, so Shadbolt’s welcome mat is likely to make Invercargill the region that will benefit. Dunedin is in danger of becoming a Green stronghold – and that could become a stranglehold for business.
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January 8, 2014 9:23am
Longknives

Keeping Stock- The Herald may have backtracked but Stuff gave Russell Packer a cuddle today…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/9585841/Prison-sentence-harsh-says-Packers-mentor

“It seems pretty harsh. He’s a professional sportsman, his career is in tatters ..”

Cry me a fucking river! He stomped on an unconscious guy’s head!!
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January 8, 2014 9:25am
Keeping Stock

Dead right Longknives. I’ve just added Rod Emmerson’s cartoon from today to the post linked to above. It’s an absolute gem, given Packer’s past toileting issues 😀
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January 8, 2014 9:27am
Reid

Cyclists: About time these non-contributors were kept off main arterial routes, and stop pandering to these nutters.

…it appeared the cyclist had been riding down Parnell Rise and was turning left into Stanley St when he collided with the truck, which was travelling straight through from The Strand.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11182745

I’m guessing but knowing that intersection I’d say he had a fair head of steam up from going down Parnell Rise then when he swung left he couldn’t do it tight enough to avoid swinging wide which took him right under the truck’s wheels which was not doing anything out of the ordinary. And naturally enough that Herald story doesn’t mention that but does include a few comments from the cycle rights people. Who’da thunk.
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January 8, 2014 9:30am
Pete George

More Green anti-progress – Catherine Delahunty opposing the Speaker’s request that Maori consider modernising their protocols relating to Parliament.

…I was shocked…by the assumption that Parliament has the right to dictate Maori protocol.

If the Speaker pursues this review as described relationships with manawhenua could be damaged.

Delahunty wants Parliament to modernise it’s own traditions rather than “debate tikanga which belongs to tangata whenua”.

Matthew Hooton suggested this was “poitical correctness gone mad”.

I’d be happy for both Parliamentary traditions and Maori protocols associated with Parliament to be modernised. What suited Maori and Westminster two hundred years ago does not always fit with our modern secular world where equality is important.

Delahunty “political correctness gone mad” on Maori protocol modernisation
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January 8, 2014 9:30am
J Bloggs

I’m guessing but knowing that intersection I’d say he had a fair head of steam up from going down Parnell Rise then when he swung left he couldn’t do it tight enough to avoid swinging wide which took him right under the truck’s wheels which was not doing anything out of the ordinary.

If that’s the case, and the truck was doing nothing out of the ordinary, then the cyclist MUST have run the red light at that intersection.

If so, they have no-one to blame but themselves.
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January 8, 2014 9:36am
Pete George

Colin Craig has effectively ruled out a Conservative coalition with Labour and probably also with National.

Mr Craig says his party will demand the so-called anti-smacking law be repealed, in return for its support in a coalition government.

I don’t see a coalition possible with any combination of parties with that bottom line.

And his over-optimism continues, especially if he digs his toes in trying to re-litigate old issues – Colin Craig thinks Conservatives can reach double digits.
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January 8, 2014 9:37am
Chuck Bird

Coastal Chch under water with 100 years – report

By Shelley Robinson
9:20 AM Wednesday Jan 8, 2014

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11182950

The people making these predictions will be long dead in 100 years. We could well be heading for another is age.
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January 8, 2014 9:41am
kowtow

Back to the aggressive agenda of the broification of Aotearoa formerly New Zealand.

Parliament and tennis ,it seems to be everywhere and with the debate around exploration they get a say there by dint of what undemocratic process I don’t know.

Long past time for this country make its mind up ,one standard of citizenship for all and 15% of the population shouldn’t get to frame what New Zealand culture is.

I don’t blame Maori ,I blame the do gooder whites who have no confidence in themselves as New Zealanders.
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January 8, 2014 9:43am
Chuck Bird

“I don’t see a coalition possible with any combination of parties with that bottom line.”

You think if John Key has a choice between being in opposition and repealing the anti smacking law he would choose to be in opposition?
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January 8, 2014 9:44am
Reid

Mr Craig says his party will demand the so-called anti-smacking law be repealed, in return for its support in a coalition government.

So? This is no different to Liarbore and the Gweens positions on asset sales.

CC is merely reflecting public opinion. Isn’t that fair, reasonable and sensible?
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January 8, 2014 9:46am
Longknives

Kowtow and L,R&C- Didn’t you know that our ‘Tangata Whenua’ invented tennis?? David Ferrer should be paying ‘Koha’ for the privelage of playing here….
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January 8, 2014 9:47am
graham

igm at 9:14 am

Cyclists: About time these non-contributors were kept off main arterial routes, and stop pandering to these nutters. I, for one, have had a gutsful of these wankers riding three abreast, going through red lights, and breaking any other rules that put them at risk. The Lange/Palmer regime were the ones that changed rules to allow them onto roads cars/trucks, etc. pay road taxes to use. They must be stopped.

Sure, and while we’re at it, let’s stop pedestrians walking along the footpaths, unless they can prove they’re rate-payers and contribute to their upkeep. And anyone born after 1984 when tolls ceased on the Auckland Harbour Bridge can stop using it, you didn’t pay for it.

As a cyclist, I agree with your sentiments about cyclists breaking road rules. We are bound by road rules just like car drivers (who also regularly break road rules, by the way – next time you’re at an intersection count how many people are signalling, and how many people don’t seem to have a clue what those funny orange lights on the corners of their cars are for). But the bit about non-contributors is a bit weak.
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January 8, 2014 9:49am
Manolo

I don’t see a coalition possible with any combination of parties with that bottom line.

Worth a try, but as you shameless boss says: Politics is the art of the possible.
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January 8, 2014 9:51am
Reid

Good article on issues around Microsoft’s search for the new CEO – boils down to two: Gates and Balmer.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/wsj-microsoft-ceo-search-2014-1

BTW, anyone else irritated about Business Insiders switch halfway through last year that defaults NZ users into the Australian edition? Anyone know a way round that?
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January 8, 2014 9:54am
Manolo

Some scum return to our shores: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9585857/Aussies-deport-hundreds-of-Kiwis
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January 8, 2014 9:57am
Jack5

The Christchurch Silly Council has just wasted $90,000 getting a report on how global warming would submerge low lying parts of the city on the sea front (mostly the parts that have been made useless by earthquake liquefaction).

This while the city is scratching its head on where to find billions for its part of reconstruction. Yesterday we were talking of city slogans, and I suggested Christchurch Rocks. Perhaps better would be Christchurch – Run by Crazy Cocks.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11182950
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January 8, 2014 9:59am
Reid

For the little boys amongst us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_wT1xkRpCKk
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January 8, 2014 10:04am
Manolo

Crooks like this “academic” are funded by AGW tax money:

The effects of climate change could hinder sea snails’ extraordinary ability to leap away from predators on one foot, Queensland researchers have found. The study shows conch snails, found in sandy areas off coral reefs, find it difficult to make the quick decision to jump out of reach of prey when exposed to higher levels of carbon dioxide.

Lead researcher Dr Sue-Ann Watson of James Cook University says the chemical disrupts the snail’s neurotransmitter receptor, causing it to have a delayed response.

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/climate-change-may-slug-leaping-sea-snails/story-e6frfku9-1226796589084
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January 8, 2014 10:04am
Pete George

The “smacking” legislation passed by 113 votes to 7. If National (or Labour) agreed to go back and repeal that to buy the support of Craig it would be shameful.

National would take a huge risk getting too close to the Conservatives, it could easily cost them the election. If they sold out on S59, or indicated they would sell out on it to get a coalition with Conservatives, their re-election bid would be a whole lot harder.
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January 8, 2014 10:05am
Jack5

Good post by Pete George at 8.07 on the almost zero chances of finding oil in the Great South Basin (if anything Shell will find gas), even if Pete’s source was his own blog.

The Old Hippy re-elected Mayor of Invercargill will be revelling in the media interest in the news quiet season. For more than half a century Invercargill mayors have been barrelling on about the Gulf-scale oil bonanza that’s around the corner.

How will a veteran Leftie like Old Hippy Shadbolt reconcile his heritage of anti-Establishment protest and the feelings of the Melon Greens with the mirage of Gulf-scale riches for the far south?
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January 8, 2014 10:07am
Manolo

National would take a huge risk getting too close to the Conservatives, it could easily cost them the election.

Another Freudian slip by the defender of the faith, the ineffable minion of Ohariu’s master.
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January 8, 2014 10:08am
MH

the net in tennis originally came from Maui dragging up the north Island,commonly called Te Ika-a-Maui,how Maori got those hyphens is still unknown.
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January 8, 2014 10:14am
hj

Australias Concentration Camps (according to the Daily Blog)
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/01/08/a-camp-by-any-other-name-what-are-australias-refugee-processing-centres/
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January 8, 2014 10:17am
Reid

The “smacking” legislation passed by 113 votes to 7. If National (or Labour) agreed to go back and repeal that to buy the support of Craig it would be shameful.

Yeah and it got huge opposition in the CIR, proving once again that politicians don’t represent the wishes of the people when PC psychobabble bullshit is there to be had.

But of course you knew that already, but you disingenuously pretend that in this case it’s the politician’s opinion which matters whereas in other cases it’s the people’s. Learning ethics from your flexible master isn’t a very good idea Pete. I suggest you cut the umbilical cord and start thinking for yourself.
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January 8, 2014 10:21am
hj

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere cause a “greenhouse effect” which affects the planet’s temperature. These scientists were interested chiefly in the possibility that a lower level of carbon dioxide gas might explain the ice ages of the distant past. At the turn of the century, Svante Arrhenius calculated that emissions from human industry might someday bring a global warming. Other scientists dismissed his idea as faulty. In 1938, G.S. Callendar argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible. It was almost by chance that a few researchers in the 1950s discovered that global warming truly was possible. In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere: it was rising fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. They found that the gas plays a crucial role in climate change, so that the rising level could gravely affect our future.

(This essay covers only developments relating directly to carbon dioxide, with a separate essay for Other Greenhouse Gases. Theories are discussed in the essay on Simple Models of Climate.
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

predictably some people aren’t convinced.
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January 8, 2014 10:21am
James Stephenson

For the little boys amongst us

Yes – That night the H.M.S. Thespas, forty-two thousand tons, was broken up into four inch squares and packed into crates cunningly marked, “Date fertilizer, this way up”.
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January 8, 2014 10:24am
Colville

Smart politics from Colin Craig.
Gives him a point of difference from the others and also gives Key a excuse to say that the Nats cannot expect to partner with CCCP.
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January 8, 2014 10:25am
kowtow

If illegal immigrants don’t like being locked up then they should stay at home in Crapistan…..

they don’t seem to complain about being overcharged to get into death trap rickety boats with their babes in arms…..

The int’l community needs to rewrite the rules which were framed in the context of WW2 ,now we’re witnessing the mass movement of economic migrants to the bankrupted west where they intend to sponge off taxpayers and never integrate.
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January 8, 2014 10:27am
safesally

Left Right and Centre (2,175 comments) says:
January 8th, 2014 at 8:31 am
At the tennis :

OMG LRC I actually agree with you on this….. Bugga me!
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January 8, 2014 10:29am
Chuck Bird

The “smacking” legislation passed by 113 votes to 7. If National (or Labour) agreed to go back and repeal that to buy the support of Craig it would be shameful.

National would take a huge risk getting too close to the Conservatives, it could easily cost them the election. If they sold out on S59, or indicated they would sell out on it to get a coalition with Conservatives, their re-election bid would be a whole lot harder.

PG, John has already promised that he would change the law if good parents were punished or prosecuted for lightly smacking their children.

If John Key can form a government with the help the Conservative Party or New Zealand First he would far rather change that law than many other demands or these parties.

I am aware how the votes went. The arrogant MPs who voted to undermine parental authority ignored the wishes of 87% of votes – many of them parents unlike some of the man hating dykes who supported Bradford.
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January 8, 2014 10:31am
Pete George

John has already promised that he would change the law if good parents were punished or prosecuted for lightly smacking their children.

He wouldn’t be breaking his promise by leaving the law as it is then.

At best they could tweak the law to something else that was imperfect, that would also make little difference.
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January 8, 2014 10:35am
Ed Snack

Just on that cyclist in Auckland; there is (or was) a left turn arrow at that intersection, so the cyclist may well have turned legally into Stanley St. However the comments about cyclists and trucks seems an absolute red-herring. As best one can reconstruct the accident, the cyclist came down Parnell Rise (at speed no doubt, it’s quite a steep hill) and turned left but either ran wide or lost control and fell and went into/under a truck on its own side of the road.

Undoubtedly sad but seemingly purely the fault of the cyclist for not riding under sufficient control. No amount of cycle lanes or other devices can prevent this sort of incident, so the safer cycling advocate is way out of line.
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January 8, 2014 10:36am
Pete George

Colville – it could be deliberate and smart of Craig.

Going straight into a coalition with his lack of experience would be very difficult. It would be sensible to put up a reason that excludes him from coalition, sit on the cross benches and build experience and the party infrastructure in Parliament, learning the ropes. Then he’d be in a much better position to go for a coalition deal next term.
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January 8, 2014 10:42am
kowtow

I can’t see National having the balls to go back on the anti smacking bill…….I can see them all anxious about the first casualty after a repeal and the reaction our leftist media would have…..

That’s why they should have never caved in the first place and stood up for the values they claim to believe in .How did they ever conceive of voting for that extreme left Green inspired, anti common sense, anti parenting legislation?

No balls and no true conservative credentials……most of them supported the marriage travesty bill too…..

What else can you say?

What they’ve got going for them is a commodity boom that keeps this country relatively wealthy and they haven’t squandered that…..Labour and the Greens will……
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January 8, 2014 10:46am
Pete George

Meanwhile, Garth McVicar, spokesman for the Sensible Sentencing Trust, has labelled Packer’s sentence as “not enough” and believes it should be increased to five years in the Court of Appeal.

McVicar should acquaint himself with the case. NZ Herald reported:

In sentencing, Magistrate Greg Grogan described the assault as deplorable and cowardly and said the courts were sick of alcohol-related violence as he imposed the maximum penalty available to him on Packer.

The sentence can’t be increased. McVicar shouldn’t make uninformed comments.
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January 8, 2014 10:49am
EAD

Delingpole – “Global Warming Devastates America”

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100253377/global-warming-devastates-america/

“See that white stuff floating down past the orange trees and landing on your alligators and manatees, Florida? That’s global warming, that is.

See that frozen white thing by the harbor that used to look a green woman with a spiky headdress, New York? That’s global warming, that is.

See that chilling solid yellow stream extending upwards from the snowy ground to your shrivelling blackened member after you made the very wrong call to take an al fresco leak, Chicagoans? That’s global warming, that is.

Everything’s global warming, America. Didn’t you get the message yet from your President and John Kerry and Al Gore and James Hansen and the gang? Everything! That’s why, if ever any of you want to see a day of sunshine again in your miserable, too-selfish-to-change-your-lifestyle carbon-addicted lives, here are a few things you absolutely are going to have to do: permanently reject the Keystone XL pipeline; beg your president for more green taxes and regulations; plead for more of your money to be diverted to successful clean energy businesses like Solyndra and Fisker electric cars; insist that more bald eagle nesting trees be chopped down in order to clear a space for wind farms; demand that the Heartland Institute and the Competitive Enterprise Institute be defunded and that Marc Morano, Anthony Watts and Pat Michaels be executed.”

The emperor has no clothes (although I think the more astute Kiwibloggers have known this for a long time)
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January 8, 2014 10:50am
Pete George

..and the heatwave in Australia is the beginning of the next ice age.
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January 8, 2014 10:53am
Reid

McVicar shouldn’t make uninformed comments.

Pot. Kettle.
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January 8, 2014 10:54am
Chuck Bird

“He wouldn’t be breaking his promise by leaving the law as it is then.”

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See
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January 8, 2014 10:57am
bc

igm – instead of having a moan about having to share the road with cyclists (is it really such a big deal?), you might want to consider what would happen if those cyclists chose to get into their cars instead.
The increased traffic congestion would really give you something to moan about, igm.
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January 8, 2014 10:58am
Pete George

My comment was sarcasm Reid. What conspiracies are you going to inform us about today?
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January 8, 2014 10:59am
Reid

My comment was sarcasm Reid.

Yes I know that Pete, you don’t need to explain yourself, you are quite transparent. You seem however to hallucinate you’re an extremely astute and subtle thinker which may be why many of your posts concern thoughts that are bleeding obvious to everyone but which you proclaim as if they are somehow new and original.

What conspiracies are you going to inform us about today?

Not just uninformed but childish too Pete? Tut tut. Is that fair, reasonable or sensible?

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

Another penetrating insight into your mind Pete. It’s adding up, isn’t it.
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January 8, 2014 11:06am
Ryan Sproull

Jeez, you two, get a room.
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January 8, 2014 11:12am
Pete George

which you proclaim as if they are somehow new and original

I’ve never done that Reid. You claim you have special powers of interpreting ancient scripts, and special abilities on seeing conspiracies to brainwash all the people of the world except for yourself.

There Are None So Blind As Those Who See What Isn’t There.
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January 8, 2014 11:15am
calendar girl

‘The “smacking” legislation passed by 113 votes to 7. If National (or Labour) agreed to go back and repeal that to buy the support of Craig it would be shameful.’

You might be opposed personally to that course of action, Pete, but to call it “shameful”? With around 80% of voters feeling differently, are you saying that it would be “shameful” (an extravagant description, surely) to actually legislate for what the public wants? Such an attitude is not what one expects of a democratic spirit!

But in reality you are likely to be taking rather too seriously the pre-coalition posturing that is going on some 10 months before anyone even knows who will be in a position to go courting – or not. Just leave it to us simple voters to sort out who’s who in November (that damned democracy thing again), and then the Parties will know whether we are allowing them into the circle of negotiations – or not.
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January 8, 2014 11:21am
MH

how many cyclists get pulled over and are fined? – they don’t have licences on them,esp the lycra mob,how many have the correct rear reflectors as stipulated in the regs – able to be seen from at least 100m,how many at night have the correct lights,or a horn or bell,or even a rear vision mirror-all those items used to be compulsory 30yrs ago but not now. Some don’t bother to wear high vis clothes,helmets and isn’t riding on the f’path still against local bylaws ? I wonder what the incidence of injuries to peds is due to cyclists.
Not even the Chinese students who come here want to ride bikes in our traffic,only their old grandfathers weaving all over the footpaths try to carry on the tradition.
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January 8, 2014 11:26am
Reid

I’ve never done that Reid. [Stated the bleeding obvious.]

e.g.

Wine production and quality varies a lot seasonally due to varying weather conditions, so if figures that if climate change impacts on seasonal weather it will affect wine.

There’s no question about if, it’s only how much and how often changes might impact.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/01/general_debate_7_january_2014.html#comment-1256757

You claim you have special powers of interpreting ancient scripts

Gee, do I? Really? Show us where I said that Pete. You need to stay off the datura, it’s not doing you any good.

special abilities on seeing conspiracies to brainwash all the people of the world except for yourself

Actually millions of other people also see what I see Pete, it’s not rocket science, but a lot of people don’t want to see it, because acknowledging it would change their view of how the world works which causes emotional conflict in their tummies. It’s called cognitive dissonance. This is why everytime you discuss some aspect of some proposition, gajillions of people hallucinate you’ve said something completely different to what you actually said. For example, if you say the official 911 story is full of holes, gajillions of people hallucinate what you’ve just said is that the US govt either knew about it or actually did it. Which is not what you just said. Even with such transparently obvious things like the JFK murder 50 years ago, gajillions of people still can’t bring themselves to recognise LHO acting alone could not have done it, because of the implications of acknowledging that fact, in terms of their understanding of how the world works. The interesting thing is that when you raise those things in discussion you often get an emotional not a logical response and that very fact, that it generates emotion when it is in fact a simple cold hard question, should give the responder pause for thought to look inside themselves. But of course they’re wrapped up in the emotion so they don’t do that, usually. But the very fact it happens when discussing those questions, is cognitive dissonance in action.
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January 8, 2014 11:38am
dime

“The “smacking” legislation passed by 113 votes to 7. If National (or Labour) agreed to go back and repeal that to buy the support of Craig it would be shameful.”

bullshit.

the only reason it passed like that is because key managed to get the thing slightly watered down.

personally i think they should ditch the shitty law.

id also like to see it legal for me to hit other peoples kids 😀
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January 8, 2014 11:47am
dime

The Herald on Packer:

yesterday i read an interview with the parents. “hes devastated. his wife is stuck in sydney with two kids” blah blah

maybe they should have interviewed the father of the victim “he knocked my boy out and then when he was unconscious on the ground, this monster prop stomped on his head, cracking his skull”.

i wonder which parent would get the most sympathy
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January 8, 2014 11:49am
Manolo

Hands off the priceless Stone Age rituals: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/9586938/Maori-protocol-warning
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January 8, 2014 11:49am
Fletch

Picture of the day: Al Gore on sale.

http://weaselzippers.us/?p=166766
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January 8, 2014 11:52am
Fletch

Christchurch coastal areas could be underwater in 100 years.

So says a report that the ChCh city council paid environmental consultants $90,000 for.

Sheesh. JUST. STOP. ALREADY.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11182950
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January 8, 2014 11:56am
kowtow

King and Street were asked to move ,but did they ?Where are the details?Why haven’t they taken up the cudgels?

Why haven’t the raving looney feminists ripped their shirts off and exposed their bare breasts at the barricades over this appalling affront to western democracy in the very halls of same?

Seriously where is the universal outrage?

Had a white male Christian minister told these left wing harridans to sling their ‘ooks we’d be close to WW3 over it!

Brown wash……J’accuse!
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January 8, 2014 12:04pm
James Stephenson

Sheesh, you get red ticks for Goon Show quotes now?
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January 8, 2014 12:07pm
Odakyu-sen

“id also like to see it legal for me to hit other peoples kids”

Wow! Talk about community empowerment…
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January 8, 2014 12:08pm
MH

hit other kids

esp in shopping “mauls” where their screams seem to resonate and echo far more than the little darls deserve to be heard.
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January 8, 2014 12:09pm
grumpyoldhori

Dime dear boy I would love you to have a go at either of my two lads,at 1.9 metres and 120 kg it will be a very short and violent fight.
Oh,sorry, do you believe you should have the right to bash three year old kids ?
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January 8, 2014 12:26pm
dime

hori – it was a joke dude.

ya know dimes a monster right 😉 not saying id win, but it wouldnt be short 😀
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January 8, 2014 12:31pm
stephieboy

Reid (14,632 comments) says:
January 8th, 2014 at 11:38 am
Tthe 9/11 story full of holes.??
Absolute bollux.!
Take WTC 7 a favourite target of 9/11 Truthers whose structural integrity was severely compromised by damage to its South face with debris from WTC 1.
The FDNY thought as early as 2.00pm it was in danger of collapse due to both the existing damage from the North Tower and extensive fires. ( Low water pressure meant the FDNY could not fight the fires effectively).
The alleged infamous ” pull it” quote by Larry Silver stein is not terminology used by Controlled Demolition Firms.He used it to advise the fire crews to clear the site due to the danger of its imminent collapse
Like WTC 1 and 2 absolutely know one witnessed or heard the characteristic pop,pop, boom, boom explosions associated with controlled demolition.Nor explosions that start from the bottom up. Nor the characteristic outwards ejection of debris from the explosions .
It would of taking weeks and weeks to first of all weaken the structure of WTC7 and then lay the detonation charges and explosives.
It did not collapse on its own footprint as it caused serious damage to surrounding buildings close to it like the Verizon Building.
it did not collapse at the free fall speed as claimed by Truthers.

More here for those who like to use their critical; thinking skills and commonsense ,

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
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January 8, 2014 12:32pm
Longknives

My money is on Dime…
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January 8, 2014 12:46pm
Manolo

Spilling the beans:

In a new memoir, former defense secretary Robert Gates unleashes harsh judgments about President Obama’s leadership and his commitment to the Afghanistan war, writing that by early 2010 he had concluded the president “doesn’t believe in his own strategy, and doesn’t consider the war to be his. For him, it’s all about getting out.”

It is rare for a former Cabinet member, let alone a defense secretary occupying a central position in the chain of command, to publish such an antagonistic portrait of a sitting president.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/robert-gates-former-defense-secretary-offers-harsh-critique-of-obamas-leadership-in-duty/2014/01/07/6a6915b2-77cb-11e3-b1c5-739e63e9c9a7_print.html

http://swampland.time.com/2014/01/07/in-memoir-gates-slams-biden-reveals-he-nearly-quit/
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January 8, 2014 12:46pm
Jimbob

Parts of the US are colder than the south pole. Yes that is a headline in 2014 when there supposed to no ice left on the poles.
The public will eventually , on masse, chuck out any Government that supports the AGW con. This is going to be funny to watch.
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January 8, 2014 12:50pm
OneTrack

“Why haven’t the raving looney feminists ripped their shirts off and exposed their bare breasts at the barricades over this appalling affront to western democracy in the very halls of same?”

There is a lefty hierarchy that must be followed and in that hierarchy race trumps gender. Street and King probably apologised for sitting above their station. Yes, if an old white guy had done the same thing there would have been effigy burnings in the street.
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January 8, 2014 12:51pm
duggledog

Pete George your comment @ 10.42 was most astute. I hadn’t thought of that.

The smacking issue could well be National’s achilles heel. Has it been put to bed though? Has Middle NZ moved on?
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January 8, 2014 12:54pm
Manolo

Why are we still paying inflated electricity and petrol prices?
Why do we continue to fund the AGW scam?
Why don’t John Key and Nick Smith, proud parents of the ETS tax, step back and abolish it?
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January 8, 2014 12:55pm
J Bloggs

King and Street were asked to move ,but did they ?Where are the details?Why haven’t they taken up the cudgels?

Why haven’t the raving looney feminists ripped their shirts off and exposed their bare breasts at the barricades over this appalling affront to western democracy in the very halls of same?

You really want King and Street to be ripping off their shirts and exposing their breasts??????
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January 8, 2014 12:58pm
kowtow

Britain brought to its knees by human rights and treacherous judges…

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10556711/Foreign-drug-dealer-wins-human-rights-case.html
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January 8, 2014 1:01pm
cha

Sheesh, you get red ticks for Goon Show quotes now?

The oasis is only ten feet long, they’ll never get a battleship in it!
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January 8, 2014 1:02pm
Pete George

“Has it been put to bed though? Has Middle NZ moved on?”

Very good question. National and Labour will hope so. I’m sure if polled a majority will say parents should have the right to choose if and how they smack. But I don’t think it’s something top of most people’s agendas.

And importantly, most of the political noise these days is made by Green and associated activists – asset sales, oil and gas drilling, fracking, poverty, income gap. They aren’t going to be promoting smacking. Craig is the only one trying to revive it as an issue.

Even in the centre and on the right – smacking versus the economy? Smacking didn’t figure in the 2011 election, nor in 2008.

Even if it was revived – what are the options? The current version is unpopular, but the old version had it’s faults too. We can’t have legislation that allows parents to choose entirely how they discipline their kids. I think that finding a better alternative may be consigned by most people to the too hard basket. It’s not popular and not ideal now, but it ain’t really broke either. No more broke than before.
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January 8, 2014 1:04pm
Pete George

A surprise position from Dave Cull on the offshore gas exploration:

Dunedin mayor Dave Cull told Radio New Zealand’s Summer Report programme he personally favours the development of renewable fuels to combat climate change, but his council will try to maximise the economic benefit of the drilling.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/232761/dunedin-tipped-as-gas-exploration-base

I and others tried to push him on this during the mayoral campaign and made sure it was a prominent issue. He tried to avoid it, he tried to appease both camps, and he flip flopped.

Good to see him back the economic benefits. It would have been very awkward for him to have opposed them today, with the Macraes mine announcing they are ditching 100 jobs.
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January 8, 2014 1:09pm
grumpyoldhori

Manolo, interesting, Gates seems to believe that Obama was responsible for the Afghanistan invasion .
It seems Gates believes the USA can win, win what, when the Russians and British could not do it.
So do you believe the USA should have troops in Afghanistan for the next twenty years ?
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January 8, 2014 1:17pm
Pete George

Predictably:

Anti-drilling protest

Anti-oil activists are running a protest summit this weekend in Dunedin, and a spokesperson for Oil Free Otago, Niamh O’Flynn, says Dunedin should be seeking jobs in cleaner, greener industries.

Ms O’Flynn said the protest will include a symbolic blockade of part of Otago Harbour. “We need to be standing our ground and saying ‘no we’re not having this industry here and and we need to be looking for jobs in sectors that are going to be long term and actually provide jobs for our people.”

I wonder if they change their name to Gas Free Otago. Shell don’t expect to find oil.

O’Flynn is active as a Dunedin’s anti-anything activist.
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January 8, 2014 1:26pm
Manolo

So do you believe the USA should have troops in Afghanistan for the next twenty years?

No. That shit-hole should be left to the followers of the religion of peace and its cavemen inhabitants to enjoy.
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January 8, 2014 1:31pm
Longknives

Isn’t everybody in Dunedin ‘Anti-Everything’??
That place is honestly the most backwards town I have ever lived in…
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January 8, 2014 1:39pm
Reid

We can’t have legislation that allows parents to choose entirely how they discipline their kids.

The fact a small minority of parents don’t practice good parenting is not a reason to impose rules from nanny state on the rest of them who do.

Bringing up children is a private matter in which nanny state has no say whatsoever. The anti-smacking law is a foot in the door proposition from raging commies who prefer nanny state over individual rights every time and the only ones who can’t see that are gawping idiots and galloping mentals. No surprise Pete that you appear to be in that group.
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January 8, 2014 1:50pm
Chuck Bird

“Craig is the only one trying to revive it as an issue. ”

I am sure Winston Peters would be happy to revive it as an issue closer the election. It is quite possible the issue could be part of coalition talks in the likely event Winston is back in Parliament after the election.

“I think that finding a better alternative may be consigned by most people to the too hard basket.”

PG, Have you heard of John Boscawen amendment?
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January 8, 2014 1:51pm
kowtow

No LK not everyone.

The other day I drove behind an old banger that had “Oil free Otago” as a bumper sticker……wtf did that zombie (middle aged white woman)think the fuckin’ thing ran on?Hippie piss?

I was at a meeting a wee while back (hobby group)and a straw poll was taken…. do you guys support off shore drilling……everyone said they did…..

ordinary folk want jobs and prosperity….

It’s the fucken activists and their media mates who give the impression otherwise.
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January 8, 2014 1:56pm
Pauleastbay

Sad that a cyclist died yesterday in Parnell.

If he hadn’t run a red light he might not have been killed.

Cyclists want all the money in the world thrown at them but until they obey the road rules they can fuck off.

Its all beer and skittles when they are busting red lights and biking through intersections when the pedistrian’s are crossing but one gets smoked and all of a sudden we need more public money thrown at them.

I would imagine 2% max of workers in the AK CBD cycle to work.

Dear cyclists how about showing a bit of respect for the other users of the road, you’re not special not at all
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January 8, 2014 2:00pm
Pete George

Chuck – I thought Boscawen’s amendment was a very good attempt to clarify the intent of the bill, which ended up relying too much on police discretion.

4 Purpose

The purpose of this Act is to amend the principal Act so that:

it is no longer a criminal offence for parents, and those in the place of parents, to use reasonable force for the purpose of correcting their children’s behaviour;

there are clear statutory limits on what constitutes reasonable force;

parents, and those in the place of parents, have certainty about what the law does and does not permit when they are controlling or correcting their children;

an explicit reliance on Police discretion is no longer used in an attempt to protect parents from the consequences of prohibiting the use of reasonable force for correction.

http://section59.blogspot.co.nz/2009/05/john-boscawens-private-members-bill.html

I think it’s impossible to have certainty, but this gets closer.

It would be interesting to see if Boscawen was interested in bringing this up again or if he would see it as potentially detrimental in his attempt to revive Act.
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January 8, 2014 2:03pm
Chuck Bird

Pete, I cannot speak for John but I doubt if he would want to bring it up again. I have not spoken to Colin Craig on this issue but if he asked for Bradford’s law to be repelled and Key offered Boscawen’s bill of something close I would think he would agree and they would both claim credit. My kids very occasionally got a smack but never with anything other than my open hand. I think the vast majority of the public would support such legislation. The would still be the fanatical Bradford types who would say if it is illegal to smack an adult why should it be legal to smack a child. My answer has always been another question like if it is legal to have sex with an consenting adult why is it not legal to have sex with a consenting child?: My answer in both cases is because they are children.
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January 8, 2014 2:27pm
Longknives

I want them to revisit the Anti-Smacking legislation just so we can laugh at the scowling,sneering reports from Katie ‘I’m an impartial reporter’ Bradford on One News…
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January 8, 2014 2:37pm
stephieboy

Longknives, why is it not Ok for an adult to hit another adult but Ok to hit a child.?
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January 8, 2014 2:40pm
Chuck Bird

stephieboy, why is it not OK for an adult to have sex with a consenting child but OK to have sex with an adult?
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January 8, 2014 2:44pm
Alan

There is no such thing as a sexually consenting child. Utterly flawed question.
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