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January 7, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Manolo

Griff writing under a pseudonym:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/9582444/Letter-Warming-trend-is-well-established
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January 7, 2014 4:25pm
Manolo

Wasn’t Salinger dismissed from NIWA for falsifying the New Zealand Climate statistics to the now discredited UN Climate Change report ?

He was. Salinger is a con-man of monumental credentials.
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January 7, 2014 4:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Paulus, @ Manola…. No.. Jim Salinger was dismissed from NIWA for breaching its Media policy.

He continued to communicate with the Media after having this role taken from him.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3185809/Jim-Salinger-sacking-justified-ERA

I do not believe NIWA has ever distanced itself from Salinger’s research. I think his temperature data is still pretty central to NIWA’s temperature record
https://www.niwa.co.nz/climate/nz-temperature-record
(However, this isn’t really my field of interest…. someone may be more up with the play)
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January 7, 2014 4:50pm
Nostradamus

More Key Derangement Syndrome over at The Standard, courtesy of Greg “Silent T for PM” Presland:

Back in February 2010 John Key said that he had a potential solution to solving the whaling crisis which he would discuss with Hillary Clinton and that he would take his plan to the upcoming International Whaling Commission meeting. Regrettably nothing ever came of it. As Eddie commented at the time it appeared that Key was talking out of his arse. It subsequently transpired that Key had formed the view that to save the whales you had to kill the whales.
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John Key hopefully now understands that a merchant banker negotiation approach to international treaties designed to protect endangered species is the wrong approach to use.

Presumably, Presland thinks Key should have followed Helen Clark’s lead, and issued a press release:

Helen Clark
29 July, 2000

NZ deplores new Japanese whaling plans in North Pacific

Prime Minister Helen Clark said today it was deplorable that Japan was again ignoring world opinion and embarking on a new programme of so-called scientific whaling in the Pacific in the North Pacific.
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“New Zealand condemns this latest Japanese proposal to slaughter whales.

“Japan’s action defies a resolution condemning its whaling programme passed at the recent Adelaide meeting of the International Whaling Commission and it defies top-level representations from President Clinton, Tony Blair and others.

“The Adelaide meeting of the IWC resolved that the information sought by the Japanese did not justify the killing of whales for research purposes, and that such information could be obtained by non-lethal purposes.

“Japan continues to ignore the clear majority of the IWC nations, which supported the IWC resolution against its whaling programme.
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“New Zealand again calls on Japan to heed the wishes of the global community on this issue,” Helen Clark said.

This own goal from Presland was brought to you by the letters D, I, C, K, H, E, A and D.
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January 7, 2014 5:22pm
Manolo

A new Federal Reserve Bank boss: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/07/business/economy/Yellen-Senate-Vote.html?hp&_r=0
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January 7, 2014 6:21pm
Pauleastbay

Darian Fenton strikes again

She wants serious injuries included in the road toll. So, Darian we include people in the toll who are not dead. How long do they stay on this toll Darian before they get off the toll, two weeks 6 months what?? Do you have to loose three pints or more to be considered?, does the lose have to include two gross amputations to be considered or will one suffice if you get a bit of a limp out of it.

You fucking fucking fucking ……. , there is already a table compiled that is made public annually showing lose of productivity and the cost to the individual for those who don’t get smoked.

Politicking on road deaths nothing but a creature.

Darian you are an embarrassment to human kind not just women and the labour party.

This mad bint could be included in cabinet in 2017 or 2020 – to the barricades

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January 7, 2014 6:36pm
Longknives

Graham Lowe you bloody legend!
On tonight’s news he came out and said that Russell Packer deserved his jail time for such a vicious assault.
Compare this to ‘Sir’ Graham Henry’s arrogant comments to the media in support of Rene Ranger (who was on charges for bashing a guy unconscious..)
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January 7, 2014 6:41pm
Pauleastbay

Nostradamous

The PM has got the lefties fucked. They are in a spin.

Walter Mittys number 1 fan boy Mickey will get more deranged as the year goes on as well .When labour loose again its bye-bye Greggy boy for the board positions that he will expect for filling up his Facebook with idolatry images of Walter.

Gregs Facebook is like that of a teenage girl regards Walter, it really sad , really really sad. So sad I didn’t even attempt to make a comment on it , his kids will be embarassed enough
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January 7, 2014 6:45pm
Pauleastbay

Longknives

Difference is Ranger was found Not Guilty after a hearing, Packer pleaded guilty. So GH was vindicated in his comment.
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January 7, 2014 6:48pm
Longknives

Henry’s comment were well before the trial PEB…
And we all know no jury in NZ is going to convict an All Black! A bit like no jury in Liverpool was ever going to convict Steven Gerrard when he snotted that DJ…
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January 7, 2014 6:56pm
Pauleastbay

I said vindication LK-

Keith Robinson has been convicted several times.

Doug Rolleson

Several others but i can’t be bothered looking up
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January 7, 2014 7:03pm
cha

Where ugly obtained his degree in ~~law~~ fuckwittery.

At the end of 18 months you will sit for a major examination. When you pass this written examination, you will receive your Law degree and a special Bar License to practice in all secular courts.

The School will approach bar associations, to accredit you as a lawyer licensed to practice in federal courts through the pro hac vice rule or through MJP (multi-jurisdictional practice) procedures in conformity with the adoption of the The Role of Lawyers at the 8th United Nations Congress on the Prevention of Crime and the Treatment of Offenders, Havana, Cuba, 27th August to 7th September, 1990. You must understand that we need to instruct other sovereigns that we are equals, and not inferior to them.

http://www.scripturalaw.org/ecj-syllabus.html
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January 7, 2014 7:20pm
F E Smith

I don’t believe George Bush was ever subjected to the same kind of critical vitriol than the first Black American President ever was by the Tea Bagger and Birther movement.!

Were you living under a rock between 2001 and 2008? Because you cannot otherwise have written that in seriousness?

The Democrats even argued that McCain was ineligible because he was born in Panama, so that is little different to the Birthers.

And why do you use an abusive and vulgar term to describe Tea Party members?
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January 7, 2014 7:21pm
Johnboy

Steph is suffering from a sexual identity crisis. A week at Wainui Mountain with the sheep should solve his/hers problems! 🙂
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January 7, 2014 7:51pm
Harriet

The problem that Barry has with his birth is that his [black] father rejected him!!!!!!!

He was adopted by his mother’s second husband in Hawaii at around 5yrs old so that he could be educated in Indonesia[indonesian law then only allowed kids under 6 to be adopted[foreign kids I think] so that they can enter into Indonesian schools.]

Hawaii has a long certificate[original] and short certificate[later certificate where changes are made – adoption ect.]

The original certificate is true and correct.

However, the ‘digital’ record[a copy of the short certificate] that Obama has presented to the press has proven to be altered – and it is to hide the fact he was later adopted.[ letters typed on the certificate that became the ‘digital record’ don’t correspond with letters above and below them]

And that is why there is suspicion upon his birth ect as those who work for the Births office in Hawaii are NOT ALLOWED TO INDICATE BY LAW THAT SOMEONE IS ADOPTED – hence the statement – “we have seen the ORIGINAL birth certificate” repeated over and over. And they can never mention a ‘short certificate’ – hence aids of Barry then altered it to hide his adoption.

“Dreams of My Father.” What a fucken fraud!!!!!! 😎
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January 7, 2014 7:53pm
Johnboy

Tough being black and having a black father reject you Harriet.

Must make you feel that you have to reach for the top in whatever you do! 🙂
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January 7, 2014 7:58pm
Johnboy

Minus is out on parole tonight I see! 🙂
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January 7, 2014 7:59pm
nasska

A bloke goes to see his doctor about a problem that he has. Once in the surgery, the doc asks the guy what is wrong with him. The guy replies “well doc, you see I’ve got this problem and it’s really quite embarrassing”. “Go on” says the doctor. “Well” continues the guy “I’ve got an orange penis!” “Never!” says the doctor “I’m sorry but I don’t believe you”.

So the man pulls down his trousers and underpants, ‘whips it out’ and sure enough there for all to see is a bright orange penis. “Well I never” says the doc. “This is a form of a rash that I have seen in other parts of the body, but never ‘there’, and it’s normally caused by great amounts of stress in a person’s life – can you tell me about your work life?”

The guy replies “Well, I got sacked two months ago..”. “Ah!” says the doctor “so that must be the problem”. “Well I don’t think so” replies the guy “I really hated my last job – the hours were terrible, the work was boring and my boss was a total prick. Now I’ve got a new job with better pay, better hours, it’s interesting and my boss is cool”.

“Okay” says the doc “So that isn’t the problem. What about your home life?” To this the guy replies “Well, I’m currently going through a divorce from my wife”. “Ah!” says the doctor “so that must be the problem”. “Well I don’t think so” replies the guy “She was a real bitch, my ex-wife. All she did all day was nag, nag, nag – I’m so glad to be rid of her”.

“Okay” says the doc “So that isn’t the problem. What about your social life?” To this the guy replies “err… well I don’t really have one – most nights I just stay home, watch porn and eat Cheezels…”
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January 7, 2014 8:01pm
Johnboy

I’m off to the Quack next week to see if he can recommend a cure for my dick being all slippery and smelling of lanolin nasska! 🙂
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January 7, 2014 8:04pm
Harriet

Two cavemen were standing outside a cave.

Said one to the other – “I’ve just taught her to talk, I don’t think anything bad will come of it.” 😎
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January 7, 2014 8:06pm
nasska

Johnboy awoke feeling lewd
But his pet sheep was not in the mood
Yet relief was at hand
For our man of the land
As the neighbour’s goats he pursued.
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January 7, 2014 8:08pm
Johnboy

Unfortunately both of them came here to chat Harriet! 🙂
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January 7, 2014 8:08pm
Johnboy

nasska from Ekatahuna
Fancied himself as a crooner
He wailed all the night
And gave the dogs fright
Just as well summer mornings are sooner
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January 7, 2014 8:15pm
nasska

Wainuiomata…where men are men & sheep are nervous. 🙂
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January 7, 2014 8:21pm
Johnboy

All my virtual sheep are extremely confidant except when they pop over the hill to the Wairarapa nasska.
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January 7, 2014 8:24pm
Harriet

Wainuiomata…

……..now that really is bum crack valley!

You ever do that chick Cloe JB? 😎
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January 7, 2014 8:31pm
Johnboy

She liked Henry driving his model trains into her tunnel Harriet.
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January 7, 2014 8:34pm
Johnboy

I do believe she went into a partnership with the Mayor of Invercargill once though Harriet….. You can look it up!
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January 7, 2014 8:36pm
Dean Papa

I believe there have been studies which confirm that the brains of rightards are wired differently. Rightards struggle to conduct coherent and logical argument. They are unable to differentiate between the trivial and non-trivial. This explains why they are often is a state of bewilderment, and are terrified of science. Whether Bazza misspoke when he said it was his father, when he meant grandfather, or if he referred to his grandfather as his father because that was how it was when he was growing up, is of no importance. Either truth would be perfectly acceptable.
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January 7, 2014 9:25pm
Dean Papa

I agree with LK. The Packer case aside, it does seem to me that the indiscretions of league players over in Oz get way more media coverage in NZ than is merited, while the bad behaviour of our own ABs is often played down. Who’d have known that Keith Robinson had been convicted of anything ,let alone several things.
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January 7, 2014 9:32pm
Dean Papa

W, the greatest President the USofA never had,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc
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January 7, 2014 9:34pm
Scott Chris

Yes, they should show the same respect that the left accorded G W Bush’s win in the 2000 US election.

Err, difference is that the democrats had good reason to complain about the 2000 election. The birthers don’t.
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January 7, 2014 9:55pm
cha

W, the greatest President the USofA never had

Nah, that’ll be Ronnie Raygun.

“Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do.”

“Facts are stupid things.”

“Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal.”

“The best minds are not in government.”

“This fellow they’ve nominated claims he’s the new Thomas Jefferson. Well let me tell you something; I knew Thomas Jefferson. He was a friend of mine and Governor… You’re no Thomas Jefferson!”

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/reagan%20quotes.htm
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January 7, 2014 10:10pm
itstricky

Here Dean Papa – I extracted it just for Fletch so he didn’t have to go to all that effort of reading it.

Critics soon seized on this statement as a deliberate falsehood, ignoring the fact that Barack Obama’s complicated family tree encompasses multiple fathers and instead focusing on but one of them and proclaiming that President Obama told a blatant lie despite knowing it would be patently obvious to anyone moderately familiar with his background (or anyone who took the simple expedient of looking up the date of his biological father’s birth).

The list of Barack Obama’s fathers includes Barack Obama, Sr., his biological father; Lolo Soetoro, the Indonesia stepfather with whom Barack Obama lived for four years; and Stanley Armour Dunham, the maternal grandfather with whom Barack Obama lived in Hawaii for eight years. The latter was the person whom Barack Obama cited as the primary paternal influence in his life.

Barack Obama Sr. (born 1936), was a Kenyan who came to America at the age of 23 and attended the University of Hawaii, where he met and married Stanley Ann Dunham — a marriage that produced one son, Barack Obama Jr., who is now President of the United States. However, Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham separated when their son was but a small child; the former returned to Kenya to work as a government economist, while the latter embarked on another marriage with an Indonesian national named Lolo Soetoro (born 1935). Barack
Obama Jr. lived with his mother and stepfather in Indonesia for four years, then from the age of ten onwards he lived with his maternal grandparents, Stanley Armour Dunham (born 1918) and Madelyn Lee Payne Dunham.

Fletch, you know it happens here too don’t you? Shock, horror? I mean it might be frowned upon but children often are raised by their Grandparents. They think nothing of it. BTW, It’s not a left wing conspiracy, this whole living with grandparents thing.

Quite hillarious really. Any rationally thinking human being who didn’t like Obama would jump on it as a gaff that he’d made – pointing out that he wasn’t at the top of his game etc. Birthers jump on it as dingo-shaped-aliens-in-a-UFO-stole-my-baby.
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January 7, 2014 11:02pm
F E Smith

Rightards struggle to conduct coherent and logical argument. They are unable to differentiate between the trivial and non-trivial.

That is, without doubt, one of the biggest load of bollocks that you will ever read here on KB, people.
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January 7, 2014 11:09pm
F E Smith

Err, difference is that the democrats had good reason to complain about the 2000 election.

Not really. But don’t let that stop you believing so. It makes my point, though.
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January 7, 2014 11:10pm
Left Right and Centre

Which good book was being referred to kowtow ?

The stoneagers sure are batshit crazy mofos. What a fucked up planet – all of these idiots believing in the supernatural.
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January 8, 2014 2:35am
Left Right and Centre

(1) People who are victims of tragedy beyond their control – breaks your heart…..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/9584407/Ashburton-teen-claimed-by-disease

(2) And then there’s this shit…..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/9581925/Six-year-old-boy-killed-driving-adult-quad-bike

Mmmmm….. not so much…..
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January 8, 2014 2:52am
Scott Chris

It makes my point, though.

Err, no. Not saying the 2000 election result was wrong, just that there definitely controversial aspects to how the Florida ballot process was conducted which had a direct bearing on Bush being elected. The ‘birther’ issue on the other hand has no basis in fact.

The Florida election has been closely scrutinized since the election, and several irregularities are thought to have favored Bush. These included the Palm Beach “butterfly ballot,” which produced an unexpectedly large number of votes for third-party candidate Patrick Buchanan. Also noted was a purge of over 54,000 citizens from the Florida voting rolls identified as felons, of whom 54% were African-Americans. The majority of these were not felons and should have been eligible to vote under Florida law. Additionally, there were many more ‘overvotes’ than usual, especially in predominantly African-American precincts in Duval county (Jacksonville), where some 27,000 ballots showed two or more choices for President. Unlike the much-discussed Palm Beach County ‘butterfly ballot,’ the Duval County ballot spread choices for President over two pages with instructions to ‘vote on every page’ on the bottom of each page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_2000#Recount_irregularities
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January 8, 2014 8:40am
F E Smith

Um, yes. The US left spent 8 years bitching and moaning about how G W Bush ‘stole’ the 2000 election. Wouldn’t let it rest, even after he easily won the 2004 election.

The Birther issue is no different. The only difference there is that because Obama is half-black his supporters feel able to point at his opponents and say ‘you are racist for opposing Obama’, which is the biggest load of bollocks after anything Yoza says.
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