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January 6, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Johnboy

Jeeze. I’ve been working all day and youse guy’s have been wanking again! 🙂
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January 6, 2014 6:39pm
edhunter

Great to see Sea Shepard carrying on their oh so important work…sarc. Also their use of just the facts & never using emotive language should be applauded.
Here are some facts on the Minke whale:
The Antarctic minke whale is currently considered Data Deficient by the IUCN red list. However, the IUCN states that the population size is “clearly in the hundreds of thousands”.[2]
In 2012, the Scientific Committee of the International Whaling Commission agreed upon population estimates of Antarctic minke stocks. The agreed estimate is 515,000.[5] The Report of the Scientific Committee acknowledged that this estimate is subject to some degree of negative bias because some minke whales would have been outside the surveyable ice edge boundaries.
So the Japs want to harvest 850 minkes per season or .165% of the conservatively estimated minke population.
Where is the problem here? I don’t want to see them extinct but this seems hardly likely to drive them to extinction.
Oh but they’re mammals…Well so is beef & lamb, and there’s certainly a fair amount of blood & guts involved when it comes harvesting them for our dinner tables.
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January 6, 2014 6:42pm
Johnboy

Minus is on the job 24/7 though! 🙂
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January 6, 2014 6:42pm
Johnboy

Obviously is unemployable other than here! 🙂
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January 6, 2014 6:43pm
Longknives

Anybody see Katie ‘I’m an Impartial Journalist’ Bradford’s sneering, contemptuous report on Colin Craig tonight?
Pathetic TVNZ- This thinly disguised activist masquerading as a reporter must go…
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January 6, 2014 7:04pm
Johnboy

“Justice in NZ smells.”

As long as it isn’t festering nasska! 🙂
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January 6, 2014 7:10pm
RRM

Well the Lavender Araucana rooster who looks like the Rt. Honourable Member for Ohariu has been sold to a good home where he will have many blue egg laying daughters. 😀

http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af230/RRM22/IMG_0034_zps21437c5b.jpg

Searching through Trademe I notice we are not the first to notice this breed’s striking resemblance to Mr Dunne…
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January 6, 2014 7:23pm
slijmbal

@edhunter – I agree that in terms of the Minke whales they aren’t endangered and could be harvested.

The two issues I have though are that they haven’t found a way to humanely kill whales and the japs also kill endangered whales.
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January 6, 2014 7:30pm
nasska

We are not completely alone & without help JB. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3u3hoqvomwdq1pg/lawsharks_fs.jpg
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January 6, 2014 7:31pm
Johnboy

FES and I have reached an agreement nasska. I won’t use berly! 🙂
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January 6, 2014 7:37pm
dime

“a 70kg lightwweight fighter with a 1-5 record, managed to gain the upper hand.”

heh imagine fucking with cain velasquez. scary dudes
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January 6, 2014 7:43pm
nasska

A lawyer went duck hunting in rural Texas. He shot and dropped a
bird, but it fell into a farmer’s field on the other side of a fence.

As the lawyer climbed over the fence, an elderly farmer drove up on
his tractor and asked him what he was doing.

The litigator responded, “I shot a duck and it fell in this field, and
now I’m going to retrieve it.”

The old farmer replied, “This is my property, and you are not coming
over here.”

The indignant lawyer said, “I am one of the best trial attorneys in
the United States and, if you don’t let me get that duck, I’ll sue you
and take everything you own.

The old farmer smiled and said,” Apparently, you don’t know how we
settle disputes in rural Texas. We settle small disagreements like this with
the “Three Kick Rule.”

The lawyer asked, “What is the Three Kick Rule?”

The Farmer replied, “Well, because the dispute occurs on my land,
first I kick you three times and then you kick me three times and so
on back and forth until someone gives up.”

The attorney quickly thought about the proposed contest and decided
that he could easily take the old codger. He agreed to abide by the
local custom.

The old farmer slowly climbed down from the tractor and walked up to
the attorney. His first kick planted the toe of his heavy steel toed
work boot into the lawyer’s groin and dropped him to his knees. His
second kick to the midriff then made the lawyer lose his early
morning breakfast. The lawyer was on all fours when the farmer’s third
kick to between his legs from the rear sent him face-first into a
fresh patch of cow shit.

The lawyer summoned every bit of his will and managed to get to his
feet. Wiping his face with the arm of his jacket, he said, “Okay, Now
it’s my turn.”

The old farmer smiled and said, “Naaaaaah, I give up now. You can have
the duck.”
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January 6, 2014 8:02pm
Johnboy

Another gentle member of the Tangata Whenua is misjudged by a honky legal system! 🙂

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/9580851/Russell-Packer-jailed-for-assault
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January 6, 2014 8:06pm
Johnboy

Fuck that minus monster is quick! 🙂

Hope your sex life takes longer loser! 🙂
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January 6, 2014 8:07pm
Left Right and Centre

Longknives at 9:41am – Hey man. As you know we’ve got some uncanny shared views…. especially sport…

You look at a sport where there’s national interest in two countries like NZ and Aussie. Cricket? Netball? Any other sport apart from Union? How far do we get? NZ doesn’t dominate. Netballers do better than Aussie *per capita* but not in actual wins /losses.

Cricket is a united code in Aussie. How often does NZ own the Aussies in the cricket? It would be the same if Union was a national no.1 code in Aus. The contest would be about as competitively balanced as the netball – if you were lucky.
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January 6, 2014 8:09pm
edhunter

slijmbal – I certainly don’t want the extinction of any species to be at the hand of man either but as to the humane way to die what’s humane about the way we deal out death to fish? And then we have the nerve to discard the non target species.
Again I stress I eat meat, I love meat & I’m more than happy with not knowing exactly the ins and outs of how my meal arrived on the table, but I fail to see what is so sacrosanct about the bloody whale unless greenpeace did such a good job in the 70’s & 80’s indoctrinating us into believing they’re something special.
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January 6, 2014 8:09pm
Johnboy

No worries ed. Just remember once you’ve whacked one into the lung area and your delving in the blood with your knife to get the lungs out watch your fingers! 🙂
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January 6, 2014 8:12pm
J Bloggs

It goes to show, its not just in NZ that stopping construction for mythological entities happens….

http://www.icenews.is/2014/01/01/elves-delay-iceland-road-building-project/
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January 6, 2014 8:17pm
kowtow

Fletch

There was no way TVNZ was going to ruin Dr Salinger’s trace gas pitch about Aotearoas inevtable long term blistering future ,by leading with footage of blizzards across the North American continent……..

I note much is being made across our MSM about Salinger’s news.

Could some clever type help me out here.

The graph accompanying the release is zeroed for long term average temps between 1961 and 1990.Is that so the “scientist” cough cough ,gets the uptick in temperature that his ideology demands?

Another Dr has said “Last winter was warmer and he (Salinger) puts it at 1.27 degrees C above the 1961-1990 long term average”.

Is it a cherry picked or absolute rise?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9580148/Last-winter-warmest-on-record

A commenter on the stuff site raises this question….but there are no answers.
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January 6, 2014 8:18pm
Left Right and Centre

Small but not tall urban tales:

I’m in Courtenay Place. I’m following behind young Asian boy teen and girl teen pushing their shopping in a NW trolley, the smaller variety with a shallow cage. People are giving them a few wee looks. They cross the street and I think stuff it I’m going to say something to them about it. And that’s what I did.

Uni students taking the shopping home. Tried to tell me it was a cultural misunderstanding. I don’t think so. They’re super super polite until they realise that they’re not getting their own way and then they finally show some emotion – believe it or not. I said to the bloke that there’s one good way to stop obnoxious idiots like me talking to them and making their day – don’t take the trolley from the shop. Simple. They’re not stupid and it’s fairly bloody obvious the trolleys aren’t for taking home.

I love all of these Asian students that have taken over the CBD of Wellington. In a few years time (or right now) you’ll be able to sum up NZ’s cultural history like this: (1) brown (2) brown / white (3) brown / white / yellow

I don’t give a fuck who they are – kiwi or foreigner – don’t take the trollies away from the shop. They wanted to play the dumb Asian fob card. Good when it suits them. Sorry – too much experience with Asian students – not fooling me.
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January 6, 2014 8:26pm
Johnboy

If the shop had any cultural nous LRaC they would provide trollies with two long handles at the front for our oriental brethren and a seat at the back for mamma san! 🙂
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January 6, 2014 8:32pm
Left Right and Centre

What I object to about a lot of the immigration is that NZ lets in so many dumbcunt foreigners.

Interesting contrast: I was reading a magazine at Wellington Railway Station with a lovely family of five. Watching people attempt to enter Railway NW – one of them was a fucking Indian bloke with the full-on beard and turban. Tried to explain to him that it was shut. Nearest supermarket Thorndon NW. No he says – and because his English is so pisspoor he had to show me his CV instead of being able to explain that he was trying to drop it off to the shop. Aha.

Being clueless and thick might actually enhance his chances depending on the position he’s applying for. Has he heard of the internet for e mailing CVs? How about ringing to check if the place is open? Got a landline? Got two braincells to rub together?

Talking with the family – they came from a small town in Montana, had travelled by coach from Auckland to Wellington – which took 12 hours. Now they were waiting for their friends, which was taking 90 mins. 60 of which was their fault due to miscalculation. On their way to the West Coast for a working holiday. Seven months. Eventually a kiwi bloke turned up and said he’d been waiting around at the side of the station, where the long haul coaches pull in, for thirty minutes. The father of the family told me he was a physician. His words being American of course. Now that’s the kind of person you want bringing their family to NZ. Not all of these no-hoper fuckwits from India. (in this day and age of communication devices it’s almost incredible that old-fashioned mix-ups resulting in half hour waits still happen. I suppose in a different country without a local cellphone? Who knows).
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January 6, 2014 8:39pm
Pete George

Nostradamus – interesting scenario. From the report I don’t blame Torrez except for some doubt over whether killing one of them was going too far (it could have been unintended).

For obvious reasons I won’t go into details about what I might do in similar circumstances but it would be anything possible to protect against the attack. If I was in a strong enough position I’d try and diffuse the situation. Failing that, if it resulted in injuries to them then so be it, but I would hope I wouldn’t go as far as knowingly killing someone unless I thought I had no other reasonable option – in which case I have no doubt I could do whatever was necessary to protect myself or family or anyone innocent.
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January 6, 2014 8:41pm
Johnboy

We need more Scottish Immigrants LRaC… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCR1l9gYTLM 🙂
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January 6, 2014 8:50pm
nasska

PG

Torrez was facing 4 to 1 odds…..also if he went down he was dead & who wants to know what would’ve happened to his Missus & kid.

In those circumstances no sane person even vaguely considers whether his reaction is fair & proportionate. The law of the jungle takes over.
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January 6, 2014 8:52pm
Johnboy

What sort of weaponry do you pack at home PG?
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January 6, 2014 8:54pm
Pete George

nasska – quite possibly but not necessarily. We don’t know the circumstances. If he’d beaten them off and two had fled and the other two were injured and no longer a threat then it could be claimed he should have stopped at that. If he killed in the process of protecting himself or family then he may be ok – but I think often the police would put it to court to decide.
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January 6, 2014 8:59pm
nasska

…..”but I think often the police would put it to court to decide.”…..

In namby pamby PC New Zealand it’s a given that he would be prosecuted but Torrez is in the USA which has in the past had fairly sensible citizen’s right of defence legislation. Either there’s a lot more to the case that we don’t know or the States have been infiltrated by some of our crim cuddling wanking academics & socialists.
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January 6, 2014 9:07pm
Johnboy

Seeing you aren’t answering and it’s time I did other things PG. Go for this. Get a 20″barrel 12ga. One in the chamber and 7 in the mag. Make the first shot no.4 and the next buck. Alternate till the last two and make them solids so that you can sort the bastards at 40 meters as they try to drive off if you only winged them with the smaller stuff! 🙂
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January 6, 2014 9:14pm
Johnboy

If you need further technical advice ask Nosti….! 🙂
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January 6, 2014 9:15pm
Nostradamus

This article provides further information about the home invasion.

Some key extracts:

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Garces, his 19-year-old brother Raymond Garces, Avalos and 22-year-old Leonard Calvillo reportedly had forced their way into the mobile home about 2 a.m.

Once inside, the deadly fight started among the alleged intruders and the 27-year-old man living there. He has not been charged in connection to the incident because authorities believe he acted in self-defense [inconsistent with my previous link]. For those reasons, the Sun-News is not identifying him.
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Raymond Garces reportedly told authorities that the group had gone to the King James Avenue home because of a previous altercation, according to documents filed in Magistrate Court.

The 27-year-old man living there was home with his young son, fiancé and her friends. Before the fight, her sister arrived, officials and the man’s attorney said. She had been “jumped,” Las Cruces attorney C.J. McElhinney said.

Later, the man received phone threats from Calvillo, according to court documents.

“I’m big Eastside,” Calvillo reportedly said, referring to a gang. ” … I’ll kill you and your family … I will go to your house.”

The Garces brothers, along with Avalos and Calvillo are gang members, DASO spokeswoman Kelly Jameson said. Court records show numerous prior arrests and convictions for them, many on drug and violence charges.
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So, taking the article at face value, there were a number of potential witnesses.

And also this article.
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January 6, 2014 9:16pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

If you need further technical advice ask Nosti….!

Technical advice about firearms? Sorry mate – not my area of expertise.
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January 6, 2014 9:17pm
Johnboy

Nosti not Nosta! 🙂
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January 6, 2014 9:19pm
Pete George

JB – smallbore for pest control, used often for possum and rabbits. I’d let my old firearm license lapse but got a new one a few years ago so am up to date with current firearms laws.
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January 6, 2014 9:20pm
Johnboy

Firearms laws don’t really cover what I’m talking about PG. Survival laws do particularly the one that says do it to them before they do it to you. If you ever follow my advice of course you will have to have a serious chat to FES! 🙂
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January 6, 2014 9:25pm
Johnboy

Night all! 🙂
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January 6, 2014 9:26pm
Left Right and Centre

Joe Torrez – you are an inspiration and a hero. What a great story. Killed one of these fuckwits. *That’s* the one brother – exactly what the cunt deserved and nothing less. Death sentence. Good job. One by one he might’ve killed all four if he could kill one during a group attack.

70kg lightweight fighter. 1-5 record. He won the one fight that counts though – and against all odds. All of his hard training – it’s all paid off in the best possible way.

The only way it could’ve been better is if he killed the whole fuckin lot of them. In the old days they’d all hang.

It would be a crime if Joe was charged with anything. 70kg and he fucked them up.

You’d think real gangsters would take firerams with them. Or just be smarter about it. Joe’s adrenaline levels must’ve been something he’d never known as the attack started. Never give a sucker an even break.
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