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Kea

and to get rid of a small number of Jews

Oh dear !

Stop and listen to yourselves.
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January 28, 2014 12:57pm
Kea

“So Kea
Let me get this right, you think I am advocating the persecution of Muslims?”

1. You are [very] actively defending it.

2. You are failing to speak out against.
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January 28, 2014 12:59pm
Lance

@ Kea
I call BULLSHIT on your dissertations.

I think people should be solely judged by their own actions.

Unlike you.
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January 28, 2014 1:06pm
Lance

I would like to apologize to my fellow Kiwibloggers.

I feed the Kea Troll after advising others not to.
It’s worse than starting to debate JW’s.

I will try to exercise restraint from now on.
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January 28, 2014 1:09pm
stephen2d

Kea, re Croatia: no one is denying that Simon Wiesenthal Centre is upset at what is going on in Croatia, but – you are clueless and that is a fact. Read up some litterature rather than just post links to newspaper articles and similar stuff. Croatia = supporter of Nazi regime. Correct. But, check out the number of victims per ethnic groups (which is a terrible thing to do anyway, but for some illiterates it has to be done) and educate yourself in history a bit before you come bleating here with your almost well hidden antisemitic shite.
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January 28, 2014 1:11pm
stephen2d

@Lance: I will have to follow your example as well, sorry for contributing to the feeding of the Kea troll.
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January 28, 2014 1:12pm
cha

Yeah, a small number of Jews and Roms
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Between its establishment in 1941 and its evacuation in April 1945, Croat authorities murdered thousands of people at Jasenovac. Among the victims were: between 45,000 and 52,000 Serb residents of the so-called Independent State of Croatia; between 12,000 and 20,000 Jews; between 15,000 and 20,000 Roma (Gypsies); and between 5,000 and 12,000 ethnic Croats and Muslims, who were political and religious opponents of the regime.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005449
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January 28, 2014 1:15pm
Scott Chris

if you have kept up on this you will have seen that coverage of the ‘scandal’ in both Australia and the UK has focused on how evil the Murdoch papers were for indulging in phone hacking

Really? Depends whose narrative you’ve been immersed in I guess. The general impression I’ve gained from the MSM is that the phone hacking is symptomatic of the declining standards of tabloid journalism in general. Murdoch’s involvement is incidental.

Of course partisan commentators from both sides of the political divide may try to turn the hacking into something political but who’d be stupid enough to believe them?
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January 28, 2014 1:17pm
gravedodger

Does anyone have any info on what has happened to Slater’s Blog Whaleoil.
‘This webpage not available ‘ message only.
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January 28, 2014 1:20pm
stephen2d

@cha: I didn’t say “small number of Jews”, but comparatively to the number of Serbs and Roms killed, who were their main target. A crime is a crime, especially that one. Does the Catholic Church in Croatia have blood on their hands? of course they do (this is Balkans, after all)! Is Hitler’s ideology about their pure Aryan race, wider plans in Europe and the rest of the world, a Catholic or any other Christian denomination idea at the time? No.

Edit: unfortunately, the numbers of victims in Jasenovac are far bigger than those you have reported, but again, even one victim is one too many.
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January 28, 2014 1:25pm
double d

gravedodger – it has been like it a few hours.

maybe standardista goons have decided it needs to shut down as they dont like the message and have taken appropriate action?
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January 28, 2014 1:26pm
lofty

gravedodger, I suspect he has fallen victim to a “hacker”.
One can only suspect who or what organization is feeling a little miffed with WOBH right now, eh.

edit: I am sure who or what will have left fingerprints etc, for a trail to be followed back to source.
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January 28, 2014 1:27pm
Paulus

Helen Clark for UN chief – I always understood that the UN Charter defined that the Chief had to be able to speak French ?
She is not good enough as she has not made a good fist of her role, and has been criticised within the UN.
She is no administrator, in an administrator’s job.
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January 28, 2014 1:28pm
Kea

It’s ok folks this debate is about to end…

When faced with a choice between living among Christian Europeans or Muslim Arabs, millions of Jews chose the later.

But is has been fun playing with you biggoted morons and so easy to expose your hatred and prejudice. I have you calling educated Rabbis, Jewish intellectuals, Holocaust researchers, Israeli media “trolls” and “anti semites”

I will leave the last word to the learned Rabbi and Dr Weiss:

jewish world

Dr. Ruchama Weiss ▪ Rabbi Levi Brackman

‘Islamization of Europe a good thing’

Rabbi Baruch Efrati believes Jews should ‘rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.’ He praises Islam for promoting modesty, respect for God

“With the help of God, the gentiles there will adopt a healthier life with a lot of modesty and integrity, and not like the hypocritical Christianity which appears pure but is fundamentally corrupt,” he explained.

“How do we fight the Islamization of Europe and return it to the hands of Christians and moderates?”

Efrati wrote in response that the Islamization of Europe was better than a Christian Europe for ethical and theological reasons – as a punishment against Christians for persecuting the Jews and the fact that Christianity, as opposed to Islam, is considered “idolatry” from a halachic point of view.

“Jews should rejoice at the fact that Christian Europe is losing its identity as a punishment for what it did to us for the hundreds of years were in exile there,” the rabbi explained as the ethical reason for favoring Muslims

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4299673,00.html
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January 28, 2014 1:28pm
Pete George

Cam Slater complains to police as DoS attack takes his Whaleoil blog offline

Cam Slater’s Whaleoil site was down this afternoon after being swamped by a denial-of-service attack (which sees a malicious hacker buy space on hijacked PCs to overwhelm a website’s capacity).

“It’s a DoS attack, originating in New Zealand,” Mr Slater told NBR.

The controversial blogger has no shortage of enemies. He named a couple he thought were probably responsible for today’s attack – but you’ll have to wait until his site goes back online to read those (so far) unsubstantiated allegations.

“I have also been getting death threats via text and on Facebook,” Mr Slater told NBR. I have notified police, especially [over] the text messages.”

Mr Slater said he was working to get Whaleoil back online.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/cam-slater-complains-police-dos-attack-takes-his-whaleoil-blog-offline-ck-151110
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January 28, 2014 1:28pm
stephen2d

@gravedodger: might be worth while asking Al Campbell from Scoop or one of those InternetNZ nominees (esp the one from Christchurch) as to what happened and why are they under DDOS attack constantly? They are the expert in internet related things, aren’t they?
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January 28, 2014 1:28pm
double d

my 1.26pm comment was made in jest.
truth stranger than fiction……
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January 28, 2014 1:30pm
Pete George

There has been more explained on Whale’s Facebook, including from Pete:

Hi there everyone. I’m Pete. I am one of the people that works at Whaleoil. Here’s the situation. Death threats and threats of violence have been made. Now, if we all can agree we’ve had our fun, and we get on with the rest of our days, and things go back to normal, it would be nice. If not, we really need to take the next step, which is to identify who is involved behind the threats of violence, murder and suicide, with the help of the Police and other authorities.

This is going to stop at some time. Be it an hour, or later today, or even some days from now. It will get boring. So can I please ask you to cut it out now, and then things don’t get out of hand.

Because if we have to come and MAKE people stop, we can’t do that without the help of people like the Police. And once they are involved, things can get out of hand.

I’m just having a day off work, thanks to you people. It’s not really hurting me. Nor is it really hurting Cameron Slater. But these death threats and threats of violence cross a line. Stop now.

If things haven’t settled by 2pm, and they stay settled, it’s out of my hands what happens next.

Thanks

https://www.facebook.com/Whaleoil

Some of it seems very not nice. Like:

Jolene Mcgowan: id love to c dis wanker show his face on the coast wud b great to watch him get every punch kick an bullet he deserves an well i bet the cops wud just stand back an watch it happen scum like dis guy dont deserve help from any1
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January 28, 2014 1:30pm
Tauhei Notts

Kea at 12.23.
Don’t read Kea. read the link he has provided to the Times Of Israel.
Then say after me;
“kea is wrong
Kea is wrong
Kea is wrong.
Unless you read the link Kea provided you will have very little knowledge of the Israelis.
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January 28, 2014 1:31pm
srylands

Seeing how the main parties are focussing in how to alleviate child poverty, here is my idea for an ACT policy. It might just get them over 5%:

1. Reduce government spending by 25% across the board over 3 years.

2. Reduce taxation by 25% across the board over 3 years.

3. Reduce the number of regulations by 25%, with a Regulation Review Committee staffed by the Treasury, MBIE, the OECD, and secondees from the Australian Productivity commission, advising on the targets.

4. In the second term, the Government will only introduce a new regulation if it abolishes two existing ones. The second term will also be focussed on monitoring the results of term 1, and lifting the quality of institutions.

Sure 95% of people will ruin scared, but 5% might go for it.
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January 28, 2014 2:05pm
stephieboy

I note a oft repeated canard that the Jews control the media is doing the rounds. It’s a favourite one rather like the Jews controlling International finance and the banks manipulating all of us just like marionettes.
People like Kea who try to promote this garbage need to see their psychiatrist as a matter of top priority. They will., of course, double check to ensure their shrink is not Jewish.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-dershowitz/do-jews-control-the-media_b_753227.html

Plus this is useful,

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/International_Jewish_conspiracy

I wonder if Fox News ,a favourite, with many on the rabid right here, is controlled by Jews.?

But tauhai notts Kea is wrong.!
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January 28, 2014 2:21pm
Kea

“I note a oft repeated canard that the Jews control the media is doing the rounds.”

Yeah stephieboy, even in ISRAEL

THE TIMES OF ISRAEL

Jews DO control the media

We’re a driven group, and not just in regards to the art world. We have, for example, AIPAC, which was essentially constructed just to drive agenda in Washington DC. And it succeeds admirably. And we brag about it. Again, it’s just what we do.

We’re a driven group, and not just in regards to the art world. We have, for example, AIPAC, which was essentially constructed just to drive agenda in Washington DC. And it succeeds admirably. And we brag about it. Again, it’s just what we do.

But the funny part is when any anti-Semite or anti-Israel person starts to spout stuff like, “The Jews control the media!” and “The Jews control Washington!”

Suddenly we’re up in arms. We create huge campaigns to take these people down. We do what we can to put them out of work. We publish articles. We’ve created entire organizations that exist just to tell everyone that the Jews don’t control nothin’. No, we don’t control the media, we don’t have any more sway in DC than anyone else. No, no, no, we swear: We’re just like everybody else!

Does anyone else (who’s not a bigot) see the irony of this?

Let’s be honest with ourselves, here, fellow Jews. We do control the media. We’ve got so many dudes up in the executive offices in all the big movie production companies it’s almost obscene. Just about every movie or TV show, whether it be “Tropic Thunder” or “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” is rife with actors, directors, and writers who are Jewish. Did you know that all eight major film studios are run by Jews?

But that’s not all. We also control the ads that go on those TV shows.

And let’s not forget AIPAC, every anti-Semite’s favorite punching bag. We’re talking an organization that’s practically the equivalent of the Elders of Zion. I’ll never forget when I was involved in Israeli advocacy in college and being at one of the many AIPAC conventions. A man literally stood in front of us and told us that their whole goal was to only work with top-50 school graduate students because they would eventually be the people making changes in the government. Here I am, an idealistic little kid that goes to a bottom 50 school (ASU) who wants to do some grassroots advocacy, and these guys are literally talking about infiltrating the government. Intense.

Now, the reason groups like the ADL and AIPAC hate admitting this is because, first of all, they are secular organizations. Their whole agenda is to prove that every Jew is the same as every other person in the world. I cannot imagine a more outlandish agenda. No, we’re different. We’re special.

Of course, people hate when anyone says this. They assume that if you’re saying that Jews are special, it somehow implies that they’re better.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jews-do-control-the-media/
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January 28, 2014 2:46pm
Kea

stephieboy , why do you hate the Jews so much ? I have spent the morning quoting various Jewish Rabbis, Dr’s, intellectualls and educated Israelis. All you have done is reject every single word out of hand.

No wonder they chose to live among the Muslims to escape religious persecution from you lot.
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January 28, 2014 2:56pm
stephieboy

That is a mere opinion piece in a country ( Israel) that is a democracy that allows for differing opinions and views on a host of subject matter including those like your deluded writer .!
BTW there are israelis ( again, deluded ones ) who believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by their government.
Once more, is Fox News controlled by the Jewish media.?
And do visit your Psychiatrist or Doctor as a matter of urgency.
Actually I haven’t had time to read the learned Rabbis etc . My attention was drawn to your false claim about the Jewish controlled media.
I’ll deal with those issues later
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January 28, 2014 3:02pm
Kea

stephieboy, are you doing your dissapearing act again, only to return later spouting the same nonsense. My sources are Jewish and mostly based in Israel. Where are you getting all this stuff about Stormfront and some sort of “conspiracy” you trot out daily ? I have not encountered it while reviewing my sources in Israel.

Where did anyone say anything about Fox news ?
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January 28, 2014 3:02pm
Manolo

AGW must be responsible for this. Cold beyond belief:
Wind chill values could sink to -45 degrees Monday night

http://www.nbcchicago.com/weather/stories/Polar-Vortex-Chicago-241874431.html
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January 28, 2014 3:15pm
Kea

Pope’s peace doves attacked by crow and seagull

Fate of white doves unclear after being released by children standing alongside pontiff in front of crowd in St Peter’s Square

Two white doves that were released as a peace gesture by children standing alongside Pope Francis were attacked by other birds.

As tens of thousands of people watched in St Peter’s Square on Sunday, a seagull and a large black crow swept down on the doves after they were set free from an open window of the Apostolic Palace.

One dove lost some feathers as it broke free from the gull. But the crow pecked repeatedly at the other dove. It was not clear what happened to the doves as they flew off.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/26/pope-doves-attacked-by-crow-seagull-st-peters-square

LOL 🙂
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January 28, 2014 3:32pm
Pete George

The beginning of the Whale Oil DOS attack (maybe)

Blogger puts boot in

Provocative right-wing internet blogger Cameron Slater was today standing by a headline that described Greymouth car crash victim Judd Hall as “feral”.

Mr Hall, a 26-year-old from Runanga, died when a car in which he was a backseat passenger left the road and crashed into a house about 11 o’clock on Friday night.

At 7.21am on Saturday, Mr Slater’s Whale Oil blog site carried a brief story on the crash under the heading, ‘Feral dies in Greymouth, did world a favour’.

When contacted by the Greymouth Star today, Mr Slater accepted that he did not know Mr Hall or his family, but justified the “feral” description by saying: “It is Greymouth, isn’t it? Didn’t Helen Clark say that you are all feral?”

He said anybody travelling at 140kph in a car in a 50kph area was ‘feral’, whether on the West Coast or in south Auckland.
He did not regret the headline and would not be apologising for it.

“It’s a tragic situation but where is it written in the rule books that you have to take into account people’s feelings?” the blogger said.

Grey District Mayor Tony Kokshoorn said the headline was “an utter disgrace”.

“This young lad has a mother and father who are going through a great deal of hurt at the moment. It’s compassion and support they need at the moment, not condemnation from the likes of Slater,” Mr Kokshoorn said.

“They (the parents) are people that Slater has never met, does not know, so for him to describe their offspring as feral is the lowest of the low and an utter disgrace.”

Cameron was unwisely provocative (as he sometimes can be) but some of the response has been way over the top.
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January 28, 2014 3:36pm
Manolo

It’s all on: http://washingtonexaminer.com/cnn-apologizes-profusely-after-airing-video-of-hillary-clinton-laughing/article/2542965
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January 28, 2014 3:40pm
stephieboy

Kea , Fox News is very popular and highly influential amongst the far right includingI I think the likes of you. It’s controlled, if you don’t know already , by one Rupert Murdoch who is decidedly non Jewish.He in turn controls a mammoth international media empire.
All you show that there are some Jews who happen to deluded . No different to the rest of the population and who share ,like you, some crazy ideas and beliefs .
That is not a crime in Israel, nor here .!
Manolo, it was appaerntly an attempt to distort what Clinton was trying to convey. by making it appear she was making light of Benghazi by some insidious and sly video editing,
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January 28, 2014 3:40pm
Kea

stephieboy, I don’t read Fox news. I quoted Israeli Jewish sources. No idea what you are on about.

Anyway, what are you trying to do here ? You are clearly not acting in good faith and have other motives. Is it a hatred of Muslims or reverence for “gods chosen” people ?
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January 28, 2014 3:46pm
All_on_Red

The beginning of the Whale Oil DOS attack (maybe)

I think you are crediting the ferals with too much intelligence. More like its revenge for Whale exposing that Scoop is possibly paying for “clicks” in India and Pakistan
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January 28, 2014 3:47pm
Pete George

All_on_Red – possibly, Whale is often provocative, it’s just unusual to get such heavy duty reactions at all let alone in different ways at the same time.
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January 28, 2014 3:56pm
stephieboy

Kea, all am attempting to do is :
1 Show that the international media is not controlled by Jews. The Murdoch media Empire illustrates that perfectly.
2 Just because you maybe an Israeli citizen does not necessarily make you immune form the kind of woo you happen to believe in.There would also be a number who would believe in weirds things like Ken Ring , Sensing murder, Chem trails, horoscopes etc. Like here ,as in Israel that is not be a crime.
Compre.? !
Now to your crazy Rabbis.?
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January 28, 2014 3:57pm
Manolo

Comrade Clark aims high: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11193209

The socialist will continue her bashing of the USA, while living in New York and pocketing huge tax-free salary in US dollars.
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January 28, 2014 4:01pm
All_on_Red

Pete,
The ferals probably know how to use Facebook, email or tweet but a DOS attack? Can’t see it.
And seriously , 140k in a 50k area?
How would you feel if one of your children was killed by someone driving like that.
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January 28, 2014 4:04pm
stephieboy

Comrade Clark bashing President Obama’s and GW Bush’s USA.???
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January 28, 2014 4:04pm
Kea

stephieboy , ok …. but you seem happy to use exceptions to make the rule with Muslims.

And that my dumb arse friend is MY POINT !
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January 28, 2014 4:04pm
All_on_Red

Manolo
Clark as UN sec has been discussed before. It’s not our Regions turn. We aren’t eligible so it’s not going to happen.Good.
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January 28, 2014 4:07pm
RightNow

The denial of service attack on whaleoil is almost certainly one or more of the ‘ferals’ (I didn’t read the Whaleoil post that started it all but from what I can tell it was very insensitive, about the death of Judd Hall: http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/west-coast/9652271/Couple-lose-4th-son-to-tragedy).
One of them has set up a facebook account called Cam Smells, and posted details that would indicate they’re behind it.

Cam Smells linode doesnt have ddos protection its a VPS provider its up the user, but hes trying to cheap out by using cloudflare to protect his site it wont work

I’m not sure what recourse whale has about this, whether Facebook would act on a complaint about the Cam Smells account. They might terminate the account but I doubt they’d help him track down the individual.
I’m also curious to know how seriously the police will take the various threats etc.
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January 28, 2014 4:13pm
ciaron

Re: WOBH, those who live by the sword….
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January 28, 2014 4:23pm
dishy

I just heard that bozo Cunliffe on the wireless. He was braying about National’s so-called “rich mates”. I fear that his whole campaign is going to be based on boring, puerile rhetoric and unaffordable, ineffective cures to ills that are either imaginary, exaggerated, or as much Labour’s makings as National’s.
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January 28, 2014 4:24pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

From David Cunliffe’s speech in the house today,

“The result of this election will either be a forward-looking, progressive, reforming government in the tradition of Seddon, Savage and Kirk; or a hard-right throwback government, the likes of which we haven’t seen since Ruth Richardson.”

Seddon and Savage! Good grief, Mickey Savage. If all Labour can do is hark back to a folk hero of the 1930’s they are well out of touch and have nothing to offer.
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January 28, 2014 4:26pm
All_on_Red

Right now
I stand corrected. You’d think if his friends were that smart they wouldn’t run from the Police.
Still, it’s quite concerning what you can do once you have IP addresses
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January 28, 2014 4:32pm
stephieboy

Kea (9,948 comments) says:
January 28th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

Again you do not present the complete picture re Catholics, Croatia and the Holocaust.
First the Albanians weren’t unique in giving shelter to the Jews . Bulgaria refused to hand ver their Jews tothe Nazis. Denmark as well. There were also many instances of Poles giving assistance and hiding Jews. Mind you the penalty for doing so was severe with Death for whole families.Even Mussolini resisted the Nazis in handing over Italian jews. Again there were many instances of brave Italians giving assistance and hiding Jews.Thus the Albanians need to be commended for their actions just like the Bulgarians, Danes , Italians
But the Mufti Of Jerusalem , Haj Amin al-Husseini had other ideas There would be been undoubtedly a holocaust for the Jewish population in Palestine personally led by him if Hitler had won the war
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January 28, 2014 5:31pm
ciaron

3 thumbs down eh?… The Whalearmy out in force this afternoon.

Look. Slater can say whatever he likes, it’s a free country but He’s been courting this sort of reaction for a long time (y’know – trying to be a professional arsehole), I’m just surprised it’s taken this long for someone to have a good go at his site.
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January 28, 2014 5:44pm
Rowan

Pretty dumb cricket selections from Mike Hesson in the side to play India today, A pace attack of Neesham, Mills and Bennett would hardly threaten Bangladesh or Zimbabwe, Mills was at least tidy the other two did nothing to justify their inclusion at all. Lets hope the batsman can overhaul Indias total as it is very gettable although probably 30-40 runs higher than it should be thanks to some pretty poor bowling from NZ.
Note to Hesson, bring back Anderson and McClenagan for Wellington.
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January 28, 2014 5:58pm
Kea

“Again you do not present the complete picture re Catholics, Croatia and the Holocaust.”

So what ? Read a history book. I gave ample evidence to support my statement. Something you are unable to do. You simply attempt to discredit the source every time you are confronted with evidence that does not suit your bias. You make absurd allegations and out right lies about what I have said.

I provided my sources. Most of today’s debate was cut and paste. If you have a problem with my version of events then write to the Holocaust researchers, learned Rabbis, Jewish intellectuals and commentators concerned, with your allegations and Holocaust Revision.
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January 28, 2014 6:00pm
Steve (North Shore)

ciaron, you would get a red tick from me as well, but I consider it childish.
The DOS attack is typical lefftie nastyness, just like you get banned at the Strandard when you tell the truth.
Certain cork soakers do not like the truth from WOBH – no names, but I’m sure you know who they are. I can think of no less than 5 who would instigate this.

Back into the woodwork for you
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January 28, 2014 6:05pm
Kea

Not a good day for the religion of hate today !

Feel free to impotently down vote me primitives. Even God seems pissed off. Maybe the Rabbi was right and it is Gods punishment for persecuting Jews, before very very recently changing to persecuting Muslims.

Pope’s peace doves attacked by crow and seagull

Fate of white doves unclear after being released by children standing alongside pontiff in front of crowd in St Peter’s Square

Two white doves that were released as a peace gesture by children standing alongside Pope Francis were attacked by other birds.

As tens of thousands of people watched in St Peter’s Square on Sunday, a seagull and a large black crow swept down on the doves after they were set free from an open window of the Apostolic Palace.

One dove lost some feathers as it broke free from the gull. But the crow pecked repeatedly at the other dove. It was not clear what happened to the doves as they flew off.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/26/pope-doves-attacked-by-crow-seagull-st-peters-square

Check out the pictures LOL 🙂
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January 28, 2014 6:14pm
ciaron

Steve: Cam can be pretty nasty himself when he wants to, which is why I say those who live by the sword. I’m not a fan of Slater, (altough I used to frequent his blog before it went tabloid trash)but I am not saying I support those who attacked his site, just that I thought he’s stepped on so many toes over the years it was bound to happen sooner or later.
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January 28, 2014 6:17pm
kowtow

ciaron

I echo your sentiments.

I gave up on Whale Oil because of his rabid anti Catholic bigot rants.His smears being not much better than the “typical lefties” people round here want to condemn.
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January 28, 2014 6:19pm
Fletch

Hate-Filled Protest in France Attracts Thousands; Crowd Chants ‘Jew, France Is Not for You!’ (VIDEO)

http://jssnews.com/2014/01/26/video-jour-de-colere-degueule-sa-haine-juif-la-france-nest-pas-a-toi/
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January 28, 2014 6:22pm
Kea

jewish world. Israel News
Dr. Ruchama Weiss ▪ Rabbi Levi Brackman

“Jews should rejoice at the fact that Christian Europe is losing its identity as a punishment for what it did to us for the hundreds of years were in exile there,”

We will never forgive Europe’s Christians for slaughtering millions of our children, women and elderly… Not just in the recent Holocaust, but throughout the generations, in a consistent manner which characterizes all factions of hypocritical Christianity…

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4299673,00.html
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January 28, 2014 6:22pm
Fletch

Kea, they sound like revisionists.
I wouldn’t say that that would be the general feeling of most Jews.
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January 28, 2014 6:29pm
nickb

Rowan – agreed, I did think it was strange they were left out for a crunch game.

Hopefully with a good start we will be on track
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January 28, 2014 6:31pm
stephieboy

The first four words from your link are the key ones , most especially the last one.

Rabbi Baruch Efrati “believes.”

Its his view no matter how eccentric, nutty or wise you think it is.Yes there are even other examples of minority Ultra nationalist Zionist Orthodox Jews In Israel holding just as or even more bizarre beliefs.
But the application of Sharia Law as per hardline Taliban and Al Qaeda. including Shia’s would be hard to beat.
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January 28, 2014 6:32pm
nasska

….”Pope’s peace doves attacked by crow and seagull”….

Atheists………….2

Left Footers……0
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January 28, 2014 6:33pm
Kea

“Crowd Chants ‘Jew, France Is Not for You!’”

Fletch, are those bloody Catholics at it again ?

While the anti-Semitism faced by Jews during World War II stemmed as much from French sentiments as it did from German pressures

The initial establishment of concentration camps in France was a result of the French government, not because of pressure of the Germans. At first intended for foreign Jews, people were held in insufferable conditions under which they perished before the first convoys were even sent to Auschwitz. These foreign Jews in internment camps “were the first casualties of the Holocaust in France, and they died because of French, not German, persecution (Zuccotti 67). In fact, it was even said that after the Germans took over control of Drancy, conditions at the camp improved (Marrus and Paxton 253).

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/france/JewsInFrance.htm

Probably a bit too scholarly for the ignorant haters, but its there to read.
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January 28, 2014 6:35pm
nickb

Greymouth people are mad at Cam Slater.

Sure his comments seem to have been grossly insensitive and uncalled for.

But is it really going to solve it leaving comments on his facebook like

Cameron slater you are one massive fukn retard and all u queer cunts sticking up for him . This is not something west coasters will forget how dare u disrespect judd so badly you dont know him at all or his family or any of us for that matter and i can assure u , you will regret making the comments you did u gt fucking piece of shit

Never seen so much terrible grammar in all my life on his fb page. Hope some of the new education funding goes to the West Coast
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January 28, 2014 6:39pm
Kea

Kea, they sound like revisionists.
I wouldn’t say that that would be the general feeling of most Jews.

Fletch, no you would not “say that” but it is true anyway.

Looks like you and stephieboy better get writing to all those respected Jews, researchers and Universities expressing your outrage. Typing “troll” on your spittle soaked keyboard is not getting the message across to the authors. 🙂
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January 28, 2014 6:39pm
Kea

”Pope’s peace doves attacked by crow and seagull”

nasska, I blame gay marriage 😉
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January 28, 2014 6:42pm
cha

They were ~~wearing hoodies~~ obviously up to no good so one good man …

http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/UPDATE-Two-Men-Shot-to-Death-by-Homeowner-in-Barboursville-241973841.html
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January 28, 2014 6:43pm
Kea

nickb, do you know the West Coast is the home of the Labour party ?
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January 28, 2014 6:47pm
ciaron

nickb,

Sure, it’s not going to solve anything. But you can’t spend your days pissing people off, without people getting pissed off. If he reigned in the agro and trash talk a bit and stuck to being ten steps ahead of the lame stream media, would we be having this conversation?
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January 28, 2014 6:50pm
Steve (North Shore)

Seems like the home of the Labour Party is just full of ferals with impecable grammar.
How does that work? Labour – when are you going to educate your people? What’s that? too far gone?
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January 28, 2014 6:52pm
nasska

Same God…..different sect this time.

….”Children at a Salvation Army home in Queensland were fed food donated for animals, savagely beaten, sexually abused and locked in a cage, an inquiry has been told.”…..

….”Boys were also locked in a cage on the home’s verandah for up to two weeks as punishment. Children were raped and beaten. Mr Bennett was said to beat boys until they bled.”…..

Ref: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/boys-in-salvation-army-home-locked-cage-raped-5813047
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January 28, 2014 6:52pm
Kea

Fletch, after considering my 6:39 extract from the University of California paper, do you still consider it is a good idea to demonise religious minorities ? Explain your answer.

Personally I don’t. I do not apply different standards, different logic, different treatment to different people. I think that is wrong. I also think killing people because of their religion is wrong. I guess that comes with being an atheist.
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January 28, 2014 6:55pm
Pete George

So Labour’s revenue spokesperson David Clark thinks that if Facebook doesn’t pay enough tax the Government should have an option to ban the use of it in New Zealand.

But it probably won’t come to that, he says that usually if you sit down and talk to them they will suddenly rearrange all their tax structures and up their payments here.

The Labour Party has put forward a possible solution to force multi-national corporations to pay more tax – ban them from the internet.
It says the Government should first talk with companies like Facebook, but if that doesn’t work it is important to have a backup, something Labour is describing as a credible threat.
Facebook is the world’s largest social network by far, but pays little tax here in New Zealand.
“The Government should always have in its back pocket the ability to ban websites,” says Labour revenue spokesman David Clark.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Labour-threatens-Facebook-ban-over-tax-issue/tabid/1607/articleID/330056/Default.aspx
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January 28, 2014 6:58pm
Kea

nasska, it is rather symbolic the peace doves of the boy raping genocidal Jew hating Catholics being set upon by seagulls and crows. Evolution at work.
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January 28, 2014 7:01pm
Steve (North Shore)

Anyway the DOS attack on WhalOil is very unlikely to come from the Westcoasters, they are too dumb and slow.
(Disclaimer: the majority of the residents are lovely people, just the pothead vitamin P feral bastards are the problem)
Won’t be Wellington, I mean first day back at work for the Govt and it takes six months for the civil servants to wind up.
The DOS attack is more than likely coming from Auckland. Who lives there? Pants Down Brown and Crim dot Con.
Yeah, nah, it is just a computer fuckup – “someone else” did it
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January 28, 2014 7:04pm
nasska

….”“The Government should always have in its back pocket the ability to ban websites”…..

Expect the owners of any website critical of a Labour Government to end up in discussions about their tax situation.
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January 28, 2014 7:05pm
Kea

nasska, I have been advised many times on KB that freedom of speech has limits. They have said you should be silenced if a woman is “offended”. The right wing conservatives were behind that 100 % too. We can not decide for ourselves what to think, the government MUST do it for us.

So we have the principle established for a Labour/Green government to apply.

My suggestion that there should be NO limits to free speech and people can judge for themselves, caused hysteria and outrage.
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January 28, 2014 7:11pm
Pete George

UPDATE: Whaleoil was still offline as of 6.50pm. “We have Cloudflare up and runnning and we got a new IP [internet protocol address] and they went after that too,” founder Cameron Slater tells NBR. His remains offline.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/cam-slater-complains-police-dos-attack-takes-his-whaleoil-blog-offline-ck-151110
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January 28, 2014 7:12pm
cha

Same god…..

http://stopbaptistpredators.blogspot.co.nz/

http://mojoey.blogspot.co.nz/search/label/Baptists
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January 28, 2014 7:19pm
Kea

I am loving these Labour policies. Threatening to ban FB will really win over those younger voters !

Seriously these policies are gold. At this rate Key won’t even need to bother with a campaign.
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January 28, 2014 7:19pm
nasska

….”My suggestion that there should be NO limits to free speech”…..

With the proviso that people are made aware that they can say anything but are still responsible for any damage their actions cause, I’d go along with you Kea.

Laws of libel should still exist & the hypothetical person who maliciously shouted “fire” in a theatre should be held legally responsible for the injuries/deaths caused.

But the Government has no business in passing legislation about hurt feelings.
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January 28, 2014 7:20pm
Kea

nasska, if it can be proven damage occurred, maybe. And if it can not be proven then all legal costs, plus damages, should be payable by the original claimant. If it is found the claim was malicious or done for other reasons, then serious criminal charges should be laid.

Claims based on hurt feelings, or being offended, should never ever be considered. No exceptions.

The worst people on the planet are those who want to restrict our freedom of expression.
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January 28, 2014 7:34pm
stephieboy

its worth reminding ourselves that Muslims as well Christians were implicated in the genocide of Jews in WW2. The notorious Bosnian SS Handschar Division come to mind.But it was also rivaled by equivalent Croatian SS recruits.,

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_collaboration.htm

But we need to remember also that all kinds of people Christian, Muslim and non religious did provide assistance and hid Jews. This includes France where one village, Le Chambon-sur-Lignon, saved 3,500- 5000 Jews from certain death

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Chambon-sur-Lignon

Perhaps not enough was done but we need to understand that the further East you went the more severe and draconian were the penalties for aiding and hiding Jews . In Poland it was the potential death for an entire family.
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January 28, 2014 7:37pm
nasska

Brussels specialises in restricting what can be said in Europe Kea…..in doing so they have kneecapped democracy & left those who dissent or disagree without means of expression.

People have taken part in rebellions for less..
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January 28, 2014 7:38pm
Kea

its worth reminding ourselves that ~~Muslims as well~~ Christians ~~were implicated in the~~ comitted genocide of Jews in WW2.
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January 28, 2014 7:47pm
stephieboy

Sorry Kea but the historical record shows otherwise.
A reminder,

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_collaboration.htm

And like some Muslims as in Tunisia a Ukrainian Cathlolc Bishop saves jews ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Sheptytsky
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January 28, 2014 7:51pm
Kea

stephieboy, ok I think your Holocaust revision has gone far enough for me to see you are an actual real life “troll”. You clearly don’t care about Jews, truth or anything else.
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January 28, 2014 7:56pm
Steve (North Shore)

Kea, there is an egg in your nest. Did you see it? or just to busy?
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January 28, 2014 7:58pm
Sofia

So Labour’s revenue spokesperson David Clark thinks that if Facebook doesn’t pay enough tax the Government should have an option to ban the use of it in New Zealand.

David Clark hasn’t a fucking clue what is coming in the TPP – has he?
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January 28, 2014 7:59pm
nasska

Discovering too late that a watermelon spiked with
vodka had accidentally been served to a luncheon
meeting of local ministers, the restaurant’s owner
waited nervously for the clerics’ reaction.
“Quick, man,” he whispered to the waiter, “what did
they say?”

“Nothing,” replied the waiter. “They were all too busy
slipping the seeds into their pockets.”
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January 28, 2014 8:00pm
stephieboy

Kea you are obviously ignorant about the Holocaust and have a very primitive understanding of it.
You can’t and will not grasp the fact that sorts of people and groups tried to assist the Jews . Not nearly enough though but the facts are that it did happen ,contrary to your sweeping and crude generalizations.
It surprises me that your not a Holocaust Denier.
Your utterly warped beyond belief.
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January 28, 2014 8:11pm
chiz

Is the earth flat or round? A parable.
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January 28, 2014 8:14pm
Kea

stephieboy, why did you try to drag the Muslims into the European holocaust ? You are a rapid Muslim hating nut job. For the last time, I gave you my sources. All Jewish. Write to them.
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January 28, 2014 8:16pm
nasska

chiz

Love it. 🙂
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January 28, 2014 8:21pm
Kea

Jewish Federation, Holocaust Centre

From the 1000’s to the 1200’s, the Christians incited a series of Crusades in an attempt to “rid Jerusalem of infidels,” or non-Christians. Although the Crusades also attempted to displace Muslims, the Crusaders’ widespread attacks on Jews throughout Western Europe and Germany began to form the early roots of anti-Semitism.

Christians created and popularized many cruel and negative myths about Jews. Medieval Christians accused the Jews of stealing and murdering Christian children to make the Passover matzo with their blood (the blood libel), and of poisoning the “host” sacrament used in Christian communion rituals, among other baseless crimes.

Moreover, Christians blamed Jews for causing the bubonic plague epidemic, or “Black Death.” In reality, it was the flea-infested rats that spread the disease. In the mid-1300s there were more than 350 pogroms during which Christians attacked over 200 Jewish communities and killed as many as 16,000 Jews. These actions forced Jews to migrate into Eastern Europe, with many settling in Poland.

The Spanish Inquisition, which began in 1480 and lasted for over three hundred years, represents another period of terrible crimes against the Jews. The Catholic Church authorized the Spaniards and Portuguese to force Jews to accept the Christian faith under the threat of torture and death. They persecuted and murdered thousands of Jews who refused to accept the Christian faith and forced many others to leave their homes, putting them in concentration camp-like prisons.

During the Reformation, Jews were not any more accepted than in previous centuries. The Cossack rebellion in Poland, also known as ‘the Deluge’ of 1648-58, resulted in hundreds of thousands of Jewish deaths, more than the Crusades and the Black Death pogroms combined.

http://holocaustcenterpgh.org/page.aspx?id=148355
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January 28, 2014 8:26pm
Kea

2007
Anti-Semitism is again on the rise. In Europe and Russia,
for example, anti-Semitic hate crimes are at an all time
high since WWII. Jewish synagogues and cemeteries have
been desecrated and Jews have been beaten and even murdered. The persecution is far from over. It is terrible to
realize that most of the horrors inﬂicted on God’s Chosen People have been done in the name of Christianity

http://www.jewishvoice.org/assets/pdfs/jewish-persecution-in-history.pdf
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January 28, 2014 8:33pm
Fletch

stephieboy, why did you try to drag the Muslims into the European holocaust ?

Kea, you have to look up Grand Mufti Amin Al Hussein who was an ally of Hitler and even had his own Muslim SS division. You can see them in the video wearing the fez’s.

They both had the same goal – the extermination of the Jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbP2EyF8d34
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January 28, 2014 8:38pm
hj

Scammigration Minister (“Wat Dabney”) should resign
http://www.3news.co.nz/Cash-for-residency-scam-uncovered/tabid/817/articleID/329912/Default.aspx#disqus_thread
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January 28, 2014 8:38pm
nickb

nickb, do you know the West Coast is the home of the Labour party ?

I assumed it was coincidence, Kea? 🙂
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January 28, 2014 8:39pm
Kea

HAARETZ Israel news

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them

A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem’s Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.

According to Daniel Rossing, former adviser to the Religious Affairs Ministry on Christian affairs and director of a Jerusalem center for Christian-Jewish dialogue, there has been an increase in the number of such incidents recently, “as part of a general atmosphere of lack of tolerance in the country.”

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099
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January 28, 2014 8:41pm
Kea

Fletch, not a word of condemnation from you about the centuries of abuse Jews have suffered at the hands of Christians. Not a fucking word !

Incredible.

Instead you sit there blaming illiterate Muslim peasants who have never left the area they were born in, while America kills them.
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January 28, 2014 8:44pm
Kea

Spitting update. The previous one was 2004, this is 2011.

HAARETZ

Ultra-Orthodox spitting attacks on Old City clergymen becoming daily

Ultra-Orthodox young men curse and spit at Christian clergymen in the streets of Jerusalem’s Old City as a matter of routine.

“It happens a lot,” says Archbishop Aristarchos, the chief secretary of the patriarchate. “You walk down the street and suddenly they spit at you for no reason. I admit sometimes it makes me furious, but we have been taught to restrain ourselves, so I do so.”

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/ultra-orthodox-spitting-attacks-on-old-city-clergymen-becoming-daily-1.393669
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January 28, 2014 8:49pm
pcplod

Kea, I don’t know what your problem is with Israelis nor do I care. The following came to my email some time ago. How about giving it a read? I expect you to reply with some abuse but that’s OK; I only worry when the foe is close at hand.

Boycott

A short time ago, Iran’s Supreme Leader Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei urged the Muslim World to boycott anything and everything that originates with the Jewish people.

In response, Meyer M. Treinkman, a pharmacist, out of the kindness of his heart, offered to assist them in their boycott as follows:

“Any Muslim who has Syphilis must not be cured by Salvarsan discovered by a Jew, Dr. Ehrlich. He should not even try to find out whether he has Syphilis, because the Wasserman Test is the discovery of a Jew. If a Muslim suspects that he has Gonorrhea, he must not seek diagnosis, because he will be using the method of a Jew named Neissner.

“A Muslim who has heart disease must not use Digitalis, a discovery by a Jew, Ludwig Traube.

Should he suffer with a toothache, he must not use Novocaine, a discovery of the Jews, Widal and Weil.

If a Muslim has Diabetes, he must not use Insulin, the result of research by Minkowsky, a Jew. If one has a headache, he must shun Pyramidon and Antypyrin, due to the Jews, Spiro and Ellege.

Muslims with convulsions must put up with them because it was a Jew, Oscar Leibreich, who proposed the use of Chloral Hydrate.

Arabs must do likewise with their psychic ailments because Freud, father of psychoanalysis, was a Jew.

Should a Muslim child get Diphtheria, he must refrain from the “Schick” reaction which was invented by the Jew, Bella Schick.

“Muslims should be ready to die in great numbers and must not permit treatment of ear and brain damage, work of Jewish Nobel Prize winner, Robert Baram.

They should continue to die or remain crippled by Infantile Paralysis because the discoverer of the anti-polio vaccine is a Jew, Jonas Salk.

“Muslims must refuse to use Streptomycin and continue to die of Tuberculosis because a Jew, Zalman Waxman, invented the wonder drug against this killing disease.

Muslim doctors must discard all discoveries and improvements by dermatologist Judas Sehn Benedict, or the lung specialist, Frawnkel, and of many other world renowned Jewish scientists and medical experts.

“In short, good and loyal Muslims properly and fittingly should remain afflicted with Syphilis, Gonorrhea, Heart Disease, Headaches, Typhus, Diabetes, Mental Disorders, Polio Convulsions and Tuberculosis and be proud to obey the Islamic boycott.”

Oh, and by the way, don’t call for a doctor on your cell phone because the cell phone was invented in Israel by a Jewish engineer.

Meanwhile I ask, what medical contributions to the world have the Muslims made?”

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world’s population.
They have received Seven (7) Nobel Prizes:

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world’s population.
They have received One Hundred and Twenty Nine (129) Nobel Prizes

The Jews are NOT promoting brainwashing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non-Muslims.

The Jews don’t hijack planes,nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselvesup in German restaurants.

There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church.

There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people. The Jews don’t traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world’s Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask ‘what can they do for humankind’ before they demand that humankind respects them.
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January 28, 2014 8:55pm
Kea

The Jerusalem Post

Mouths filled with hatred

It happens day and night.” Father Athanasius, a Texas-born Franciscan monk who heads the Christian Information Center inside the Jaffa Gate, said he’s been spat at by haredi and national Orthodox Jews “about 15 times in the last six months” – not only in the Old City, but also on Rehov Agron near the Franciscan friary. “One time a bunch of kids spat at me, another time a little girl spat at me,” said the brown-robed monk near the Jaffa Gate. “All 15 monks at our friary have been spat at,” he said.

http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Mouths-filled-with-hatred

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stephieboy, looks like they are not buying your story about blaming the “Mussssslims”. These are Jewish news paper articles from Israel reporting facts. Unless you want to claim a Jewish “conspiracy” in the media, you may want to re-think your ideas.

There are NO reports of Muslim clerics being spat on and there are heaps of Muslims living in Israel.

Why do you think that is stephieboy ? 🙂
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