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Kea

nasska, they created the situation and they chose to live there. You can not pick a fight, commit a wrong, then cry victim in that way. They are cowards. The whole worlds security is compromised by Israels existence and the cost is calculable in terms of deaths suffering and money. It shows how brainwashed people are that they accept all this so a religious group can have a patch of sand in the ME.

Anyway, it is done now and they got their religious fantasy land. The people there now (about 50% atheist) are not responsible. I wish them well and I wish the Muslims would work more constructively with Israel, instead of lobbing rockets at them. As a group Jews are intelligent and at the forefront of progressive thought that so distresses Christians. They are increasingly atheist too. But they are not perfect and not above criticism.

It is not the “Jews” that are the problem. It is religion.
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January 26, 2014 4:55pm
Manolo

What about it? Fascinating theory.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/stephen-hawking-there-are-no-black-holes-9085016.html
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January 26, 2014 4:57pm
Kea

Have we got any takers yet for stephieboys Rape Challenge ?

stephieboy, still waiting for some examples of this:

“Its incredible there are those here who seem to believe rape is victimless and the real victims are those (males) who are arrested, tried and convicted.”

Or did you just lie again ?
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January 26, 2014 5:00pm
nasska

….”It is not the “Jews” that are the problem. It is religion.”….

Amen to that! The stinking curse of religion is at the root of more of the world’s problems than every potential despot or political tyrant yet born. For one instance it is the glue that unites a multitude of ME nations who otherwise couldn’t agree on how to milk a goat…..another example is the union between Israel & the USA, the two nations containing the majority of the world’s Jews.

In a way the “Jewish” label is redundant as more Israelis identify as being atheist & in any case it refers to an historic tribe of the area a couple of millennia ago. It does however provide a cultural connection which will hold the nation of Israel together for the foreseeable future.
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January 26, 2014 5:10pm
Kea

nasska, I agree with all that.

Many people use religion as a cultural identifier. They are only culturally Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Catholic. They don’t really believe the fables.

Also some of what we attribute to religion is cultural. For example; Afghans treated women like shit before Islam came along.
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January 26, 2014 5:14pm
Longknives

I consider psycho evil bitches that make false rape complaints as twisted and disgusting as Rapists.
Pity the Police/Courts don’t…..
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January 26, 2014 5:28pm
calendar girl

PG@3:29 – “I’ve acknowledged that a number of times, it’s kinda obvious.”
Then perhaps you should qualify your view each time you initiate a major discussion on rape – as you did on this thread – pursuing an implication that males alone control the behaviour agenda. (As an aside, why the “kinda obvious” condescension in your response?)

“But a lack of female prudence doesn’t excuse male sexual predatory behaviour. Do you acknowledge that?”
Yes, I do. But actual “male predatory behaviour” is an entirely different matter from what you seem to suggest is a pre-disposition to rape on the part of NZ males, referring to it as possibly “a prominent attitude”.
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January 26, 2014 5:31pm
stephieboy

Kea (9,831 comments) says:
January 26th, 2014 at 4:07

By all means criticize Jews ,as with Muslims and Christians.After all this what a forum like KB is all about. But do make an attempt to back up your sweeping assertions and broad brush stroke generalizations against them with evidence and facts.This you’ve consistently failed to do in my view
Long knives.
Psycho bitches.? Examples please
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January 26, 2014 5:35pm
mandk

Kea: “stephieboy, NZ is not rich enough to suffer a Jew infestation.”

I take it from that comment that you equate Jews with vermin. Shame on you.
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January 26, 2014 5:37pm
nasska

Longknives

Those women who make provable false complaints of rape should be prosecuted…..no ifs & no buts.

An appropriate penalty would be exactly the same sentence the male would have received had he been convicted of the alleged crime.
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January 26, 2014 5:38pm
Kea

But do make an attempt to back up your sweeping assertions and broad brush stroke generalizations against them with evidence and facts.This you’ve consistently failed to do in my view

stephieboy I have provided numerous links to support my views. However, they are not required and my comments can stand on their own merit.

Have you found any evidence of this yet ? ““Its incredible there are those here who seem to believe rape is victimless and the real victims are those (males) who are arrested, tried and convicted.”
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January 26, 2014 5:47pm
nasska

Kea vs stephieboy disagree on whether Jews are an “infestation” or welcome.

Genuine question……just suppose that Israel hadn’t been created & NZ had accepted all the Jews who wished to leave Europe after WW2.

Would would our country be like today?
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January 26, 2014 5:48pm
Kea

I take it from that comment that you equate Jews with vermin. Shame on you.

I am not responsible for what you take from that and I don’t care what people like you think of me.

You would not have said anything if I had said that about Muslims.

It is people like you who have persecuted Jews on the basis of their religious for centuries. You apply different standards to people on the basis of religion. So don’t hallucinate you have the moral high ground.
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January 26, 2014 5:51pm
Pete George

@cg
from what you seem to suggest is a pre-disposition to rape on the part of NZ males referring to it as possibly “a prominent attitude”.

I’ve seen others suggest that but I never have, nor do I think that.
I haven’t suggested it is a prominent attitude.

Often what some others claim I’ve said is not accurate. Some of it is blatantly false, whether through ignorance, failing to take any notice of what I say or deliberately making false claims. You seem to have false impressions.
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January 26, 2014 5:54pm
Kea

nasska, I would welcome them with open arms for reasons I have already explained. NZ would have been a great choice. They were considering numerous options at one time. I am not anti jewish. The last one I met I bonked her LOL 🙂
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January 26, 2014 5:54pm
Kea

stephieboy reckons none of you have the guts to spike a girls drink and rape her. He has issued a challenge for you all to try it out.

Have you had any takers yet stephieboy ? He must be from a rough area judging by his description of a night on the town !

“I would like to see the” rape culture” advocates trying their half baked theories out on a night of pubbing and clubbing laced with ample amounts of booze and pill popping.

But its the usual bunch who wouldn’t have the guts to try out and test their convictions and beliefs on the female populace with a night on the town.”
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January 26, 2014 5:58pm
mandk

@ Kea

So what are we to take from our comment about “suffer a Jew infestation”?

It could hardly have been more vile and pejorative.

And I’m not claiming any moral high ground. Criticise me on the basis of what I say, by all means, but please don’t try to deflect attention from your obvious hatred.
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January 26, 2014 5:58pm
nasska

I reckon that we’d now be one of the powerhouses of the world Kea. Israel was a small semi desert area barely capable of growing a few orange trees prior to Jewish settlement.

With their “can do” attitude & work ethic they would have made NZ prosperous beyond belief.
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January 26, 2014 6:00pm
Kea

Those women who make provable false complaints of rape should be prosecuted…..no ifs & no buts.

An appropriate penalty would be exactly the same sentence the male would have received had he been convicted of the alleged crime.

j

There should be a mandatory sentence equal to the maximum available for the charges laid. On top of that there should be extra imposed depending on the circumstances. We need to stop referring to accusers as victims. They are not victims unless the crime has been proven. They are accusers and should be labeled as such. There should be a data base of accusers, with photos, so men can check if they have form as an accuser and avoid them.

Rape accusers not only destroy men’s lives, they make it harder for rape victims.
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January 26, 2014 6:07pm
Reid

I haven’t suggested it is a prominent attitude.

Yes you have, Pete. By your bringing it up all the time, by your refusal to put a number on it, like I did. You IMPLY that in your view it’s a significant proportion. This may be why your head is broken. Let me explain. You may not think you’ve implied that but you have, and most of the people here, as evidenced by their responses including from a couple of women, also think that. So you have, Pete.

But WHY do you refuse to put a number on it, BTW? It’s an estimate, you don’t need to know the stats figures. No-one is suggesting tell us the REAL number. Why don’t you tell us what YOU ESTIMATE the number or proportion is? Why don’t you do that?
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January 26, 2014 6:07pm
stephieboy

nasska (8,725 comments) says:
January 26th, 2014 at 5:48 pm

Your question re Jews and NZ post WW2 immigration is purely speculative and hypothetical. Lets just focus on the present day hear and now.
Now do you believe that a cabal of Jews are in control of the world ,manipulating all of us like marionettes as some of the gullible here and elsewhere believe.?
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January 26, 2014 6:08pm
Kea

nasska, yes but not for the reasons you gave. With the amount of aid Israel has received it would be impossible to fail. They are a rich prosperous country but are still the number one aid recipient of the USA. Not some impoverished desperate country. Haiti would be great if it got that much help. You have to get over this fantasy of a few persecuted settlers building this wonderful nation through hard work and toil against dire odds. They were wealthy Europeans and receive massive charity to this day.

mandk, you are scum. I am pleased I offend you. Got it now ?
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January 26, 2014 6:13pm
graham

calendar girl at 5:31 pm

But actual “male predatory behaviour” is an entirely different matter from what you seem to suggest is a pre-disposition to rape on the part of NZ males, referring to it as possibly “a prominent attitude”.

I’m not sure, but I suspect you may possibly be referring to this blog post by Pete, where he said:

And there are many more men, possible a majority, who aid rape by:
– being an active participant in the rape culture
– passively ignoring rape culture

http://yournz.org/2013/03/07/rape-culture/

Pete does not seem to be suggesting in that post that there is a pre-disposition to rape inherent within most NZ males; he does, however, accuse “possibly a majority” of NZ males of aiding rape.
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January 26, 2014 6:14pm
Reid

Who here believes that, stephie?
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January 26, 2014 6:17pm
nasska

….”Now do you believe that a cabal of Jews are in control of the world ,manipulating all of us like marionettes as some of the gullible here and elsewhere believe.?”….

No…..I don’t but it’s not hard to see how people form that opinion. The Jews are hard working, stick together & are self financing which makes them very successful in business. As such it’s not unreasonable to state for instance, “Hollywood is controlled by Jewish interests” & it is certain that Jewish money is freely available to US politicians who are sympathetic to their cause.

Many of them are very powerful but not to the point where they run the world.
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January 26, 2014 6:17pm
Kea

Now do you believe that a cabal of Jews are in control of the world ,manipulating all of us like marionettes as some of the gullible here and elsewhere believe.?

stephieboy, really ? Where ?

You accused me of this a number of times. You claimed I search Stormfront and conspiracy sites for stories. You denied Israel has any influence on America and that it receives any support from the USA [sic]

I posted you numerous links from ISRAELI news sources to back up my claims. You ignored all that. Hid for a while, then came back repeating the same fucking nonsense. You really are a piece of work.
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January 26, 2014 6:18pm
mandk

@ Kea,

I don’t care if you call me scum.

Now, leave the personal abuse aside and answer my question: So what are we to take from our comment about “suffer a Jew infestation”?
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January 26, 2014 6:20pm
Pete George

Rape accusers not only destroy men’s lives, they make it harder for rape victims.

If you mean false accusers I agree, it can devastate mens lives in a similar way rape can devastate the victims’ lives.

There should be a mandatory sentence equal to the maximum available for the charges laid. On top of that there should be extra imposed depending on the circumstances.

That’s as nonsensical as having a mandatory maximum sentence for all proven rape. There are varying degrees of severity.

False accusations of rape should be dealt with in a similar way other offences are dealt with. Sentences need to be appropriate to the severity.

We need to stop referring to accusers as victims. They are not victims unless the crime has been proven.
Also nonsense. That’s like saying there is no victim of murder unless the crime has been proven, in which the Crewes, Jennifer Beard and many others would not be regarded as victims.

They are accusers and should be labeled as such. There should be a data base of accusers, with photos, so men can check if they have form as an accuser and avoid them.

There’s a number of problems with that. Why single out rape accusers, why not have a warning database of people accused of any crime? Too bad if they turn out to be innocent.
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January 26, 2014 6:22pm
Kea

PG, my views are no more extreme than yours and often less so. What makes some of my comments so challenging is the simple fact they go against the feminist narrative we have had forced down our throats for so long.

In short, I hold a mirror up to you.
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January 26, 2014 6:27pm
nasska

Kea

….”They were wealthy Europeans”….

In effect there were two waves of Jewish migration out of Europe. Up until 1939 many Jews moved to America & took their money with them. These USA immigrants built the merchant banks & corporates that are so powerful in the political scene of the USA today.

The second wave (probably smaller) settled Israel after WW2. Many of them were not wealthy & were refugees from countries behind the Iron Curtain….they would have had few possessions along with those survivors from Hitler’s campaign of genocide.

Israel has been the recipient of generous US aid but it has been at the behest of their fellows in America.
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January 26, 2014 6:31pm
Kea

Now, leave the personal abuse aside and answer my question: So what are we to take from our comment about “suffer a Jew infestation”?

Who is “we” ? I am unsure how people like you take it, but here is an attempt to answer:

Perhaps you could take it in the exact same way as the daily cries about how Muslims, Chinese etc are over running our wonderful Christian nation in the daily hate pieces we read on KB.
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January 26, 2014 6:32pm
Kea

nasska, the most powerful lobby group in America is the Jewish lobby. They are the ones pushing for wars and rather a lot else. Funnily enough, they often do not represent the views of the majority of Jews, who are more often anti war. Of course the real elephant in the room is why some small desert nation should have any lobby group at all in the USA let alone the most powerful one.
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January 26, 2014 6:39pm
stephieboy

Kea,
Now is your chance to provide the evidence backed up by the facts that the most powerful lobby in America are” pushing for wars and rather a lot else.”
Here’s my response,

http://www.meforum.org/1004/how-important-is-the-israel-lobby
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January 26, 2014 6:47pm
Sofia

Does the so-called rape culture not derive from the binge-drinking culture, and that in turn from the culture of the economically deprived and hence the culture of entitlement?
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January 26, 2014 6:48pm
nasska

….”why some small desert nation should have any lobby group at all in the USA let alone the most powerful one.”….

“Should” is subjective but “why” is easy…..the Jews in both nations share a history/culture/religion & many will be related.
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January 26, 2014 6:49pm
Pete George

the most powerful lobby group in America is the Jewish lobby.

Can you back up that claim with any facts, or is this another of your “my comments can stand on their own merit”?
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January 26, 2014 6:52pm
Kea

stephieboy, check yesterdays chat. The one where you lied that Israel receives no help from the US. The one with numerous links to Jewish Israeli news services. That one. None of this is a secret. It is right out in the open. You constantly refer to conspiracy theories and other nonsense in an attempt to discredit those who question Jews. But all this a freely available information. You clearly no very little about this and you should shut up, listen and learn.

You are obviously not much of a reader so try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bLb7VZnqko
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January 26, 2014 6:53pm
Kea

PG, have someone show you how to google.
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January 26, 2014 6:55pm
Pete George

I can find sites supporting any viewpoint with Google. I wanted to know if you have some evidence to support your claim or if you were making things up as you often do. Most people with supporting evidence are happy to provide links. You’re avoiding that, again.
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January 26, 2014 7:08pm
stephieboy

Kea , my link was a direct response to the claims by academics Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer. But reasoned debate on this is nigh on impossible as anything that is remotely Jewish, even like the MIddle East Quarterly has to be contaminated , tainted and therefore corrupted.It therefore degenerates into the kind of unreason of the alleged Jewish Zionist complicity in 9/11.

http://67.228.115.45/showthread.php?t=269632
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January 26, 2014 7:11pm
graham

I’m quite fascinated to see that a pretty innocuous comment I made at 6:14 pm has attracted one down vote. I’m curious; would whoever cast that down vote care to explain why?
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January 26, 2014 7:20pm
Kea

stephieboy, stop the lies. I gave you mainstream Israeli news sources. No mention of zionists and 911

I guess AIPAC is just an invention too ? Part of the big conspiracy to make Jews look bad ?

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a private Jewish American group that claims to be “America’s pro-Israel lobby,” is considered by The New York Times to be, “the most important organization affecting America’s relationship with Israel.” In 1997, Fortune magazine called AIPAC the second most powerful lobby in America. Since that time AIPAC’s star has risen steadily, and is now widely regarded as the most powerful lobby in America.

AIPAC’s list of achievements on its web page include:

Passing more than a dozen bills and resolutions condemning and imposing tougher sanctions on Iran during the past fifteen years. Securing critical security assistance to Israel each year to ensure that Israel remains capable of facing increased threats.
Passing legislation requiring the administration to evaluate all future military sales to Arab states in the context of the need to maintain Israel’s qualitative military edge over potential adversaries.
Passing multiple resolutions affirming congressional support for Israel’s right to self-defense in the face of terrorism by the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah.
Each year, AIPAC is involved in more than a hundred legislative and policy initiatives involving Middle East policy or aimed at broadening and deepening the US-Israel bond. While building support in Washington is essential, AIPAC is found wherever the future of the US-Israel relationship could be affected. AIPAC has a network of ten regional offices and nine satellite offices that help pro-Israel activists from Missoula to Miami.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee
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January 26, 2014 7:22pm
Kea

PG, go to yesterdays GD if you want links. Or just be honest.
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January 26, 2014 7:23pm
stephieboy

From my link above US Trade deficit figures re Israel c.f to Canada and China,

“Looking strictly at trade in goods, in 2012 the U.S. registered a $7.9 billion trade deficit with Israel; it recorded a $31.4 billion trade deficit with Canada. Based on this measure, the Canada is a bigger ‘drain’ on the U.S. than is Israel.

(The top ‘drain’ would be China, with which the U.S. registered a $315.1 billion trade deficit in goods in 2012; Japan was second with a $76.3 billion trade deficit; Mexico was third at $61.3 billion; Germany, fourth at $59.7 billion; Saudi Arabia rounded out top five with which the U.S. had a $37.5 billion trade deficit in goods in 2012.)”

This again puts a lie to the idea the trade imbalance with israel is yet another example of the alleged power and influence of the Jewish Lobby
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January 26, 2014 7:24pm
Pete George

You’re unlikely to get admissions on ticks graham – it wasn’t me, I have added a downtick to bring it to 2 to prove this, however I don’t disagree with what you posted. Ticks can be for many reasons.

It’s a bit like how several decades ago society as a whole accepted drink driving as acceptable behaviour. Even though many people never drove while drunk. People were even abused and accused of being wooses and party poopers if they spoke against it.

But that has changed where most responsible people will speak up against drunks driving and try and prevent drunks from driving if they are in a position to do it.

Society hasn’t evolved the same on rape yet.

But there may be a difference, victims of drunk driving probably weren’t blamed for walking at a time the drunks could be driving, or for driving cars that were too small, or driving red cars, or for being female drivers.

Edit – and I haven’t down-ticked your last comment, but I did down-tick Kea’s last comment, that’s just pathetic avoidance of backing up bull.
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January 26, 2014 7:30pm
stephieboy

The claims about the AIPAC are easily rebutted. If it did have the power and influence that is claimed as in the link below ,then Obama would of gone into Syria long,long ago.
Why has this not happened .?

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/1454
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January 26, 2014 7:31pm
Kea

stephieboy, have you got any proof to back up your claims that there is a big global conspiracy to make Jews look bad ?
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January 26, 2014 7:33pm
Pete George

“The Jewish lobby” is meaningless anyway – does it mean all Jews, the state of Israel, Jews in the US, specific Jewish groups, Jews in the Obama administration, all Jews who are part of various lobby groups, Israeli nationals, people of Jewish descent? Or what?
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January 26, 2014 7:41pm
Pete George

Funny at 7.33 pm

…have you got any proof to back up your claims…

Use Google, look up yesterday’s threads etc etc.
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January 26, 2014 7:43pm
Kea

stephieboy, wrong question. The real question is why he meddled with Syria at all. AIPAC were behind that and AIPAC want war with Iran. Jewish money played a big part in Obamas election campaign, the most expensive in human history. AIPAC have a budget of around 55 millions dollars US a year. And there are other Jewish interests groups on top of that.

You better hope others are as bias and ignorant as you. Because if they look into this themselves any credibility you may have will be gone. Why are you such a supporter of Israel, even will to lie and use dishonest tactics and generally be an idiot ? Do you think Jews are gods master race, like they do ?
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January 26, 2014 7:44pm
nasska

stephieboy @ 7.31pm

Don’t forget that Putin ankle tapped Obama by proposing that any chemical/biological weapons at Syria’s disposal could be moved to Russia for safe storage.

Had that not happened the scenery around Damascus would probably be similar to that in Tripoli by now.
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January 26, 2014 7:47pm
Kea

“The Jewish lobby” is meaningless anyway

LOL 🙂 What a muppet !

Note the source fuckwit:

Pro-Israel lobby facing uphill climb to muster Syria strike support

WASHINGTON (AP) — Of all the interests backing President Barack Obama’s call for Congress to authorize military strikes on Syria, perhaps none is more concerned about the prospect of a “no” vote than America’s pro-Israel lobby, which is finding it difficult to overcome widespread opposition to the use of force

Read more: Pro-Israel lobby facing uphill climb to muster Syria strike support

| The Times of Israel> http://www.timesofisrael.com/pro-israel-lobby-facing-uphill-climb-to-muster-syria-strike-support/#ixzz2rMggQ0ur
Follow us: @timesofisrael on Twitter | timesofisrael on Facebook
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January 26, 2014 7:48pm
Kea

nasska, the religious disneyland of Israel has been armed to the teeth by America. It is about time they did there own slaughtering of Muslims instead of demanding the gentiles do it for them.

We need to wipe our hands of the region and let them sort themselves out.
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January 26, 2014 7:54pm
graham

Woo-hoo – five down-ticks now! For what is possibly the most banal comment on today’s GD. 🙂
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January 26, 2014 7:59pm
calendar girl

PG@5:54pm:
“I’ve seen others suggest that [see earlier reference, “a pre-disposition to rape on the part of NZ males”] but I never have, nor do I think that. I haven’t suggested it is a prominent attitude.”

At 12:24 Reid had asked: “So what approx % of NZ males do you estimate have the rape culture attitude Pete?”

At 12:36 PG replied: “Reid – I have no idea, I don’t know if anyone has tried to measure it, but going by attitudes expressed here and elsewhere (for example Tamihere and Jackson) there’s a bit of it about and it can be a prominent attitude.”

Other readers can decide for themselves whether PG is merely dissembling. For myself, I’m reflecting with a degree of bewilderment on his latest claim (7:30) that more people in society are prepared to speak up against drunks driving than against rape.
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January 26, 2014 7:59pm
stephieboy

Kea (9,849 comments) says:
January 26th, 2014 at 7:44 pm

Why meddle in Syria.??
Ah, thus its Ok for Putin and Teheran to meddle but some how not so the US.
How does that selectivity and hypocrisy of yours actually work.????
PS When do you expect the Israeli led invasion and occupation of Syria to begin.?
Time frame please ?
After all AIPAC are controlling and manipulating here.?
Yes.?
Uphill struggle . Wow.!
Hmmm.!
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January 26, 2014 8:01pm
Pete George

‏@ShayneCurrieNZH

Who in Labour thought it a good idea to time leader’s state of nation speech on the same afternoon as Lorde (hopefully) dominates Grammys?

It must be difficult checking for all possible clashes.
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January 26, 2014 8:02pm
nasska

Kea

I’m not so sure that Israel is a “religious disneyland”. As you stated earlier yourself, many Israelis are secular & not all are happy with their country’s militarist stand. My own opinion is that as the USA loses its status of being a superpower Israel will step up & organise its own defence. Meantime since someone else is doing it for them they’d be mugs not to take what’s on offer.

Don’t forget that the entire ME is a Muslim Disneyland. The only things that unite Kuwait with Egypt or Syria with Iraq are Islam & a hatred of Israel.
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January 26, 2014 8:02pm
Kea

stephieboy, still waiting for some examples of this:

“Its incredible there are those here who seem to believe rape is victimless and the real victims are those (males) who are arrested, tried and convicted.”

Oh and how is that rape challenge going ? Any takers yet ? Maybe you are right and they just don’t have the “guts” as you claimed when you issued that challenge to go out on the town, drug and rape a girl.
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January 26, 2014 8:07pm
nasska

At a job interview: “What are your strengths?”

“I’m an optimist and a positive thinker.”

“Can you give me an example?”

“Yes, when do I start?”
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January 26, 2014 8:08pm
Pete George

that more people in society are prepared to speak up against drunks driving than against rape.

I didn’t say that.

To illustrate the point I was making I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone make excuses for drunk driving or blaming the victims of drunk driver accidents here on Kiwiblog, but it’s not uncommon to see excuses made for rape, the severity of rape talked down and victims of rape blamed. I test that out here from time to time as I did today. There’s a number of people who put more of a priority on niggling at me than condemning people convicted of rape – or they don’t condemn the act at all.

cg – what do you think of the case?
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January 26, 2014 8:09pm
Kea

nasska, The disneyland was a reference to an artificial state created on the basis of religious fables.

I don’t need convincing about how toxic many Muslim countries have become. But I will remind you it is they being killed, not Jews. The victims are Muslim. Not Jews. This self evident fact is often overlooked in these debates. You tend to get a bit grumpy when your home is destroyed and family is killed nasska. Have you really got any idea just how many Muslim countries are having military actions against them right now ? Most of them. Yet here on the KB fantasy land Jews are the victims. That is fucked up logic.

You know one of the ways they flush out “terrorists” in Afghanistan ? They drive around with religiously offensive music playing on loud speakers. Anyone has a go at them, they kill them. So how about we invade and destroy Israel and try the same tactic. If anyone resists, they are “radicals”.

Use the brain god did not give you, take a step back, and really think. Accept what is in front of our eyes.
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January 26, 2014 8:16pm
calendar girl

PG@8:09pm – “I didn’t say that” (i.e. that more people in society are prepared to speak up against drunks driving than against rape).

Yes you did. Again readers can judge for themselves:

“But that has changed where most responsible people will speak up against drunks driving and try and prevent drunks from driving if they are in a position to do it.

Society hasn’t evolved the same on rape yet.”
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January 26, 2014 8:48pm
Kea

I have to wonder what sort of people they have down in Dunedin. It sounds like another world. Women are raped in industrial quantities while sneering mobs of locals look on applauding the rapists before shouting them a beer.

There is no other explanation for PG’s views.
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January 26, 2014 8:52pm
cha

Charming/

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/01/absurd-creature-of-the-week-foot-giant-african-land-snail/
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January 26, 2014 9:18pm
nasska

Seems about right. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5g2sgs6eydyebly/Faith%2013.jpg
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January 26, 2014 9:30pm
Kea

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h62cl5iswu2rxwq/p1010433small.jpg
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January 26, 2014 9:33pm
TheContrarian

“You know one of the ways they flush out “terrorists” in Afghanistan ? They drive around with religiously offensive music playing on loud speakers. Anyone has a go at them, they kill them.”

Citation needed.
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January 26, 2014 9:58pm
Kea

“Citation needed.”

I grow tired of this game. You are not interested the facts. You are an idiot ruled by your prejudices and are immune to reason. How about some “sources” for crap you spout ? Your ignorance is your problem not mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKvSkNH0-W0
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January 26, 2014 10:18pm
Kea

This is the justice system in the US. Can’t afford to pay a defense lawyer for people facing the death penalty, but can spend trillions killing Muslims on behalf of Israel. Its a disgrace to any decent person but will appeal to the religious low lifes on KB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dTLCedm9iw
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January 26, 2014 10:54pm
stephieboy

Trillions are not spent on killing Muslims on behalf of Israel. That is a fabrication. This is also a disgrace which your conspicuously silent on. I think its safe to say that you fully approve and its only the tip of the iceberg,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzguXsBYReI

And is it true you applauded the attack on Malala Yousafzai and loath what she stands for ?,

http://www.mid-day.com/articles/pakistani-education-activist-malala-wins-international-peace-award/195266
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January 26, 2014 11:36pm
jackinabox

More proof that the NZ Police are compulsive liars.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11192432
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January 27, 2014 7:34am
TheContrarian

“I grow tired of this game.”

What that game wherein if someone makes a claim someone else will ask them to support it? I’m not sure it’s a “game”. More the normal practice.

But hey, if you want sources for anything I say just ask. Unlike you I won’t wet my pants and have a whaaa about it.
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