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Kea

stephieboy, do you think people are stupid ? In your defense of Obama and Jews you lie about what I have said, when a quick check shows I did not say it, and deny widely reported facts from official press releases, as a quick google check reveals. I guess you just say it anyway and hope like hell no one bothers to check ?

What is the barrier to you telling the truth buddy ? Here are the very first hits of my 2 second google search, from msm.

“The CIA has started delivering weapons to rebels in Syria, making good on a pledge made months ago”.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

“U.S. providing Syrian rebels $123 million more in aid”
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/us-syrian-rebels-aid-90375.html

“Obama Steps Up Military Aid To Syrian Rebels”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/14/obama-syria_n_3441251.html

“Obama plans rebel aid with Syria strikes, senators say

(CNN) — U.S. plans for strikes against Syria may be coupled with increased support for rebel forces in that country’s civil war, two leading Republican senators said after meeting with President Barack Obama on Monday.”

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/02/world/meast/syria-civil-war/

“Obama to Increase “Scope and Scale” of Aid to Syrian Rebels”

http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/06/obama-to-increase-scope-and-scale-of-aid-to-syrian-rebels/
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January 22, 2014 5:35pm
Kea

Obama has form for this. He supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

What followed was Sharia law with persecution and deaths of Jews, Christians and atheists. The moderate people of Egypt were so appalled by this they rose up and overthrew the Obama puppet. Obama backed them [Muslim Brotherhood] with millions of dollars and military aid.

Various radical Islamic groups are active in Syria and are killing Christians and others. They are imported Jihadists, though they do use Syrian people to achieve their goals. It is not an uprising of Syrians. It is not to say they all support Assad, but they did not ask for civil war. Obama wants an excuse to take out key military installations.

Why ? Is Obama pro-Muslim ? I say no.
The only country benefiting from a week majority Muslim country is Israel. Those clever Jews are letting radical Islam destroy itself and send the strong Muslim countries back to the stone age. And it is working, the clever buggers.
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January 22, 2014 5:48pm
stephieboy

Kea
This is all very far short of the Obama administration under the instructions of Israel going in boots and all invading, conquering and annexing Syra.
I take its OK for you that Shia mercenaries from Lebanon and Iran can go in and assist Assad with impunity ?. Not forgetting the significant military aid he receives from Iran and Russia,?
BTW, thoughts on Hamas and their support for Al Queada Jihaddists
And your links are pretty old hat.
Timeline for the big invasion.??
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January 22, 2014 5:50pm
stephieboy

Kea re Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood etc.

Whats missing is the facts and evidence that Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood were Obama’s puppet.
Period.!
Military aid .?? Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union the US and others have supplied Egypt with Military aid.
Fact.!
Its all the same far right Republican and Tea party garbage about the Benghazi conspiracy.
Countdown for the big Obama invasion of Syria.??
Yes.??
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January 22, 2014 5:57pm
Kea

How all those millions of bankrupt American tax payer dollars are being spent by the violent black warlord:

Syria rebels ‘beheaded a Christian and fed him to the dogs’ as fears grow over Islamist atrocities

Sister Agnes-Mariam de la Croix said: ‘His only crime was his brother criticised the rebels, accused them of acting like bandits, which is what they are.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255103/Syria-rebels-beheaded-Christian-fed-dogs-fears-grow-Islamist-atrocities.html#ixzz2r6HjYCTT
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255103/Syria-rebels-beheaded-Christian-fed-dogs-fears-grow-Islamist-atrocities.html#ixzz2r6HR12BA
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January 22, 2014 6:00pm
SPC

Kea, Obama supported democracy in Egypt, the Egyptians voted in the MB.

The MB did not impose Sharia law in Egypt, nor was there any increase in persecution of Jews, Christians or atheists. However they did lose some public support because they were seen as moving towards establishing their power within the state not just as a party seeking a term in office.

Obama questioned the removal of an elected government by the military (a military whose leadership is as close to the West as the IDF) and called for a quick return to democracy – he could do nothing less without being seen as supportive of a Sisi regime era replacing the Mubarak one.
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January 22, 2014 6:05pm
Kea

stephieboy, so Israeli news papers and CNN are all in on this “far right” conspiracy, along with Obama’s press office ?

1. Where did I say Obama wanted to “invade and conquer” Syria ?

2. Never heard of “Benghazi”. Is it nice there ?

3. So what if Iran and Russia give military aid to Syria. Does Israel get military aid ? [hint: Yes more than any country in history, not that it has to fight it’s own wars, America, Uk and Nato do their dirty work]
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January 22, 2014 6:07pm
stephieboy

This is utterly disgusting . Est 11,00 civilians murdered by Assad,,

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/01/report-syria-tortured-executed-11000-20141211307452644.html

Where are the anti Obama and servile pro Assad apologists .??

Kea you have implied that Obama and the US are both nefarious and in league with Israel and the Jews to destabilize and overthrow the Assad regime.
Or do you retract that.?
Do you object to US militaty aid to the Syrian opposition..?
Yes or no
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January 22, 2014 6:11pm
Kea

Kea, Obama supported democracy in Egypt, the Egyptians voted in the MB.

The MB did not impose Sharia law in Egypt, nor was there any increase in persecution of Jews, Christians or atheists.

Christians come under attack in Egypt.

It has been reported that since the start of the military crackdown in Egypt up to 58 Christian churches have been damaged or destroyed by Islamists…Some observers said Christians were uncomfortable with the politicised Islam that was emerging under Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood party… Islamists had been accusing Christians of being the predominant force behind the protests against Morsi,

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2013/08/20/christians-come-under-attack-in-egypt/

Islamic Caliphate? Growing Persecution of Coptic Christians Under Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=49262
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January 22, 2014 6:17pm
Kea

Last Jews in Egypt Support Fight Against Muslim Brotherhood Terror

Not that it means much, considering that after all the persecution, the Jewish community in Egypt is down to about 14 people from 75,000.

Under Morsi, the last synagogue in Egypt was effectively shut down.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/last-jews-in-egypt-support-fight-against-muslim-brotherhood-terror/
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January 22, 2014 6:19pm
SPC

Kea, Israel has never had an ally in war time. It has fought all its wars alone. Unlike those who it has been fighting.

Despite being attacked it has never been offered the same collective security protection as provided by the UN to such nations as Kuwait.

In lieu of this collective security from the UN the US a nation on the UNSC provides with some military aid (as much to sell weapons it’s weapons to Israel as to help) as France used to do (French weapons sales).

You don’t believe in Sky fairies but you believe that Israel decides whether Kuwait is liberated, Iraq is invaded and occupied or whether the US has a pro Arab spring policy. A clue collective security, the Americans wanted regime change in Iraq because they wanted Iraq oil onto the world market to lower the price and they realised that supporting dictatorships in the ME was not being true to their own values.
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January 22, 2014 6:22pm
Kea

Do you object to US militaty aid to the Syrian opposition..?

YES

The fake outrage is hilarious. The radical jihadists (Obama supports) started this and are doing most of the killing. How would you feel if the jihadists came to nz and aligned themselves with radical Maori seperatists ?. Then Obama sent millions in aid and military assistance to them as the country was destroyed. ?

Just look at Obamas other projects in the Arab world. Every single one of them is worse off.
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January 22, 2014 6:25pm
SPC

Kea, Christians have been attacked in Egypt before under the military regimes. And paranoia about what Moslem regimes might do does exist in the Vatican, so you now rely on believers in the Sky Fairies for backing on your view of the world’s events. A group that has been trying to impose Catholic Church morality in our public law.
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January 22, 2014 6:26pm
Kea

“Kea, Israel has never had an ally in war time”

LOL 🙂

Great news SPC. I guess the USA can stop ALL that aid as of right now !

They can withdraw all the troops and go home. It won’t bother Israel at all, (if what you say is true.)

I won’t bore readers with anymore links, I guess those who want to can google the truth easily enough. SPC don’t go down the path of stephieboy, you are better than that.
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January 22, 2014 6:29pm
Kea

Oh maybe just one link 🙂 Note the source SPC. Please stop the lies.

National Jewish Democratic Council

Obama Requests Largest Amount of Military Aid to Israel Ever

Underscoring his commitment to the U.S.-Israel relationship, President Barack Obama requested a record $3.1 billion in military assistance to Israel for the 2013 fiscal year. The requested amount is not just the largest assistance request for Israel ever, it is the largest foreign assistance request ever in U.S. history.

http://www.njdc.org/blog/post/israelaid021412
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January 22, 2014 6:32pm
SPC

And noting that churches have come under attack AFTER the removal of the Morsi regime is not evidence that the Morsi regime persecuted Christians.
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January 22, 2014 6:32pm
SPC

Kea,

1. the USA has not send its military to defend the borders of Israel in any war they have fought.
2. providing a nation with finance to buy its weapons is a hand out to the weapons manufacturer so the IDF buys American is barely aid to Israel, it is certainly not the behaviour of an ally that sends its forces to fight with Israel in wartime. Israel buys weapons on the world market because only it’s soldiers fight its battles.
3. the link between American presence in the ME for world market oil reasons and alliance with Israel is all in your mind.
4. actual allies of the USA barely need to have defence forces of their own.
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January 22, 2014 6:39pm
Kea

SPC, I can believe one of two things:

1. Christians, Muslims, Jews and Atheists have all banded together with right and left wing media in a global conspiracy with the sole purpose of making Obama look bad because he is half black.

2. You are wrong.

3. You want Obama to be something he is not because of his skin colour.

SPC, we all hoped Obama signaled a new and better age for America. Especially in foreign policy. But face it, he is a disaster. I could spend all night posting scathing articles about him from former supporters. Get over his skin colour and face facts.
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January 22, 2014 6:45pm
Kea

3. the link between American presence in the ME for world market oil reasons and alliance with Israel is all in your mind.

SPC, Please cut and paste where I made those claims regarding “oil” or even mentioned “oil”

4. actual allies of the USA barely need to have defence forces of their own.

So the USA is NOT and ally of Israel ! You idiot. Read the links above.

On a serious note… why the lies ? What is it you think you are defending or hiding ? I am curious, enlighten me ?
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January 22, 2014 6:51pm
SPC

Kea, why do you presume that others disagree with you in matters of politics because of the skin colour of some public figure?
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January 22, 2014 6:51pm
Kea

How to expand Israel’s pool of allies

Elkin is correct that no other country can replace America as Israel’s chief ally,

http://www.jpost.com/Experts/How-to-expand-Israels-pool-of-allies-332952

[Note SPC; If you disagree please write to: The Jerusalem Post, with the bad news]
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January 22, 2014 6:57pm
SPC

Kea, there is no partisanship required as a motive to refute your bs.

The real question is why, despite no evidence for it existing, you believe some mythical Israel USA security alliance exists – is this your Sky Fairy?

Why call those exposing your Sky Fairy’s lack of existence a liar?

I note that on some world forums people like making a pun of the name Israel by using the term liars, guess which ones they are and they are all anti-American.
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January 22, 2014 7:00pm
Kea

SPC, happy to answer all your questions, but first you need to answer a few of mine.

Now you have joined steph in telling lies and attributing views to me that I neither hold nor have I expressed. So lets deal with that first as it is hard to have a decent debate with you telling lies.

Where did I mention all that stuff about oil that you claimed I had said ?

Or will you admit you made that up (lied) in order to make me appear extreme in order to discredit me (strawman) ? It is like Steph claiming my sources are Stormfront and Alex Jones, then I give him links to Jewish news sources in Israel. Cut the crap you are making a fool of yourself.
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January 22, 2014 7:03pm
SPC

Kea, Israel has no chief ally.

That some people imagine that Israel has a US ally, does not change the lack of reality of that “Sky Fairy”.
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January 22, 2014 7:04pm
SPC

Kea, “Where did I mention all that stuff about oil that you claimed I had said?”

reread what I wrote and to what it was in response to. And correctly this time ….
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January 22, 2014 7:06pm
Kea

mythical Israel USA security alliance

SPC I expected better from you. What the fuck is wrong with you ?

“mythical Israel USA security alliance ” FFS !

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Obama Requests Largest Amount of Military Aid to Israel Ever

Underscoring his commitment to the U.S.-Israel relationship, President Barack Obama requested a record $3.1 billion in military assistance to Israel for the 2013 fiscal year. The requested amount is not just the largest assistance request for Israel ever, it is the largest foreign assistance request ever in U.S. history.

http://www.njdc.org/blog/post/israelaid021412
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January 22, 2014 7:07pm
Kea

Kea, “Where did I mention all that stuff about oil that you claimed I had said?”

reread what I wrote. And correctly this time ….

“3. the link between American presence in the ME for world market oil reasons and alliance with Israel is all in your mind.

LOL 🙂 🙂

I get it. You are “trolling”. You had me going there for a moment SPC !
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January 22, 2014 7:10pm
SPC

Kea, do you know what a security alliance is?

It is a formal agreement to mutual defence if either is attacked. Israel has never had an ally in wartime. So it must have had no allies at the time of each war that it fought.

We in New Zealand have barely had a military defence capacity because of alliance with the UK or the USA. Now we hide behind the USA – Oz defence pact despite no longer being part of it.

The north has NATO, Israel has no security alliance with anyone.
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January 22, 2014 7:11pm
SPC

Kea, the Americans love money more than Israel (more than poor fellow Americans). Their presence in the ME would exist for oil reasons whether Israel existed or not.
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January 22, 2014 7:14pm
Kea

SPC, Haiti would be a rich and powerful country, with a kick arse military, if it had even half the aid Israel gets. It would be impossible to fail.

To suggest Israel is not supported by the USA marks you as an idiot. A willful idiot as I provided you links from Israeli sources to demonstrate it. Though it beggers belief you would need proof in the first place.

Foreign powers created, built, and maintain the religious state of Israel. But it is never enough and the Zionist are baying for more blood. They demand Iran be the next place the Westerners shed their blood and spend trillions killing to wipe out Muslims.

Most Jews object to this and most Israelis reject the religious nonsense. You religious nuts are a violent relic of the dark ages.
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January 22, 2014 7:25pm
SPC

Kea, you do not understand the US Congress.

There is an alliance of military industrial complex states where weapons are manufactured (pork barrel). Their alliance is with the war hawks and the pro Israeli faction (Jews and fundamentalists both) in the financing of supply of weapons to Israel.

Israel would otherwise buy on the world market from competitors of the Americans (they offer deals too) such as the French and British – this is an anti-competition play as purchase of British and French weapons, if used and improved by the IDF, would encourage more sales of their weapons on the world market.
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January 22, 2014 7:29pm
Kea

SPC, when is God/Yahweh going to take you lot up into the sky and leave the rest of us in peace ?
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January 22, 2014 7:35pm
SPC

Kea, why do you get so emotional when debating this?

First you claim that the American actions in the ME are on behalf of Israel – I do not agree. Now you say most Jews and most Israelis oppose some religious nonsense (which exactly). You refer to me as one of the religious nuts who are a relic of the dark ages – really?

It’s interesting that you think the race of Obama, pro Israeli sentiment or some religious reason is why people don’t agree with you – it’s just that you are sometimes wrong and don’t know when – probably because so much is based on belief and not on fact.
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January 22, 2014 7:41pm
SPC

Kea, maybe you just a tribalist, every issue is one anyone disagreeing must be placed into categories to be so attacked/labelled. No wonder people presume you are a troll trying to provoke people.
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January 22, 2014 7:44pm
Kea

SPC, if you really believed the brain farts you have released this evening you would not have resorted to lies and strawmen. Personal attacks on my credibility in no way relate to the supporting linked articles I provided you with. All were from msm and many from Israeli news sources.

If you disagree, then direct your fake outrage at them, not poor wee Kea 🙂
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January 22, 2014 7:50pm
nasska

The Jew says, “The Christians & Muslims are wrong!”

The Muslim says, “The Jews & Christians are wrong!”

The Christian says, “The Muslims & Jews are wrong!”

The Atheist says, “You’re all spot on…..”
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January 22, 2014 8:00pm
Kea

nasska, when are we going to get a new-ager wading in on these debates ? I can not stand them and I might even find some common ground with my god bothering stone throwing Christian mates 😉
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January 22, 2014 8:05pm
Rowan

Kea
You sound like Cartman in this episode. Yet you somehow suggest you are the ‘abused’ one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-5PNQN60gw
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January 22, 2014 8:07pm
Kea

Rowan, how was your day ? Stone any rape victims or homos as god demands ? 🙂
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January 22, 2014 8:10pm
nasska

A New Ager would be something novel Kea…..as you suggest it might even unite some of the factions.

Since blind belief in any mythical beings has never been my thing I don’t expect that it will affect me greatly either way.
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January 22, 2014 8:11pm
Rowan

Fine thanks troll.
And why would I do something as stupid as that?
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January 22, 2014 8:14pm
Kea

nasska, they are the most smug and irritating of all. But at least they don’t kill people and are too lazy to do much of anything really.
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January 22, 2014 8:15pm
Harriet

At the end of WW2 the Israelies had a place to live, the natural consequence of going about building that nation where they could live could be seen as nation building or nationalism. The likes of East Timor is a current matter.Sort of.

At the same time as Israel was doing this, Europe did the exact opposite, in that they de-nationalised all of Europe in the hope that they could all live together better. Israel has been constantly at war for over 60yrs now – while war between Europeans hasn’t happened in that time.

So young Europeans today, on a liftime diet of de-nationalism, now see Israel as a ‘nationalist agressor’ a ‘keeper of borders’ as opposed to that of the borderless Europe. Young European people have seen that taking down borders works –eventually — and they then expect that the ‘democratic’ Israelies should be doing it also.

And that is why lots of young Europeans today are influenced by the current ‘new speak’ anti-semitism – they are easy targets.

As much as the poor young Austrians were for Hitler when he started out.
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January 22, 2014 8:16pm
Kea

And why would I do something as stupid as that?

You already did something as stupid as that when you pretended the violent mythological desert cult was real, rather than grow up and deal with your own mortality.
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January 22, 2014 8:18pm
SPC

nasska, and the deist notes that God is not a creation of Jews, Christians and Moslems and thus their gods are Sky Fairy’s, so agrees with the atheist. But also notes that ignorance of God is shared by deists, atheists, agnostics, Jews, Christians and Moslems.
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January 22, 2014 8:19pm
Kea

Harriet, the Jews did not create Israel. The religious fantasy land was created by Western nations and handed to them on a plater
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January 22, 2014 8:21pm
All_on_Red

“Underscoring his commitment to the U.S.-Israel relationship, President Barack Obama requested a record $3.1 billion in military assistance to Israel for the 2013 fiscal year. ”

Cool. What did they get? Some F 22s would do the job on Iran
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January 22, 2014 8:21pm
nasska

It’s a mixed up world we live in SPC. 🙂
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January 22, 2014 8:23pm
Kea

Cool. What did they get? Some ~~F 22s~~ nukes would do the job on ~~Iran~~ Israel.
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January 22, 2014 8:24pm
Rowan

Kea, I have never bible bashed any religous views on you or anyone on KB, why do you feel the need to try and force your views on us. We all have freedom of choice when it comes to religion so your hate columns are completely unneccesary. Have you ever actually converted anyone to atheism who was previously a believer?
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January 22, 2014 8:24pm
Kea

Rowan , you are a two face hypocrite, a liar and a gutless coward.

You say nothing about the daily religious hate pieces directed at Muslims. You lie about what I have said and lie to support your lies.

Then you have the cheek to demand others treat you with respect. You are not worthy of respect on this topic.

But to answer your question: Why ? Well it is because I care enough to speak out. I do not care what theists believe, what concerns me is what they are doing in the world today. This is why I will fight your destructive ignorance to my dying breath arsehole.
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January 22, 2014 8:32pm
SPC

Harriet, it is an irony that Jewish calls for a national homeland of their own was met by the British and French looking to carve up the Ottoman empire. It was however in accord with the trend of European nationalism – break up of Austrian and Russian empire in Europe.

Greater still that by the time Israel was finally established, Europe was beginning its move to unity.

Once Jews were disparaged as a foreign people in Europe because they had no homeland of their own, a new Europe home to more and more foreign peoples now looks down on nationalism of any national homeland, whether in Europe or abroad in Israel.

Yet, witnessing Islamist parties trying to govern nations in the ME, there is a growing fear of a caliphate movement and thus an emerging preference once again for nationalism – at least in the ME. And maybe Scotland and Catalonia albeit within the EU.
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January 22, 2014 8:42pm
Rowan

Look in the mirror Kea
You are just a arrogant troll, and insecure enough to try and impose your views on others.
You are scum.
Now whats the bet you will start crying and claim abuse, go tell your mummy on me and get over yourself.
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January 22, 2014 8:42pm
MH

Henry Ford said he knew who started the modern era of conflict in the ME.And don’t forget the poor pommy Tommy sods who were killed in the area after WWII,having liberated the camps they got shot for their troubles.
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January 22, 2014 8:47pm
Harriet

Kea#

Condemming Christians for the acts of Muslims is like condemming the All Blacks for the acts of Mike Tyson. Both are athletes. That’s all.

You’re grouping people exactly like the left does; where any negative action by just one person from an opposing viewpoint is then parlayed onto all others[who may actually share differing viewpoints] – so that all can be condemmed.

It’s called ———— being fucken pathetic. 😎
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January 22, 2014 8:47pm
Tauhei Notts

Rowan,
You are unfair to make those comments about Kea. Kea has been
in a debate with a phuckwit who keeps repeating that the USA is not an ally of Israel.
I think it is the same person who keeps repeating how honest Winston Peters is.
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January 22, 2014 8:48pm
SPC

Because Israel and the USA have no security alliance.

An ally is a country one has a security alliance with.

We have been informed for years in our media that New Zealand is just a friend of the USA because we have no such security alliance.

Same person who … really, now you are just making stuff up.
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January 22, 2014 9:03pm
Nostalgia-NZ

‘This is why I will fight your destructive ignorance to my dying breath arsehole.’

An interesting sentence, is the refugee from a bird bath likening him/herself to a ‘dying breath arsehole?’ If so, it’s a well constructed thought. But I prefer the cricket.
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January 22, 2014 9:04pm
Pete George

The first Roy Morgan poll for 2014.

National Party (43.5%, down 1.5%)
Maori Party 2% (up 0.5%)
United Future 0.5% (up 0.5%)
ACT NZ 0% (unchanged).

Labour Party 33.5% (up 3%)
Greens 12.5% (down 2%)
New Zealand First 4% (down 1%)
Mana Party 0.5% (down 0.5%)

Conservative Party of NZ 2.5% (up 0.5%)
Others 1% (up 0.5%).
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January 22, 2014 9:04pm
Harriet

“…..Conservative Party of NZ 2.5% (up 0.5%)…”

and with 9 whole months to go!

The Conservatives are the natural counter balance to the Greens wide spread economicly ruining policies; pro death and low birthrate policies, pro drug and pro sexual disease policies, money for nothing policies.

Labour will be put in the position by the Conservatives to abandon the Greens or abandon their Christian voting base.
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January 22, 2014 9:18pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Pete George, I’ve been wondering about the seemingly languishing of the Maori Party. How does their increase compare with recent polls? Clearly Labour want that vote back. Are we seeing the results of work done behind the scenes by both parties showing some early favour to the MP? It’s a critical vote that seems to have been much overlooked recently but which was somewhat a silver thread in the last election.
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January 22, 2014 9:29pm
Pete George

Up until now the Maori Party party vote hasn’t mattered. They have got all their seats from electorates and got a low party vote giving seat overhangs – more seats than their party vote.

2005 party vote 2.12% for 3 list seats but they got 4 electorate seats.
2008 party vote 2.39% but they got 5 electorate seats.
2011 party vote 1.43% but they got 3 electorate seats.

Roy Morgan polls since the 2011 election have been in the 0.5%- 3.5%, most commonly 1.5%-2.0% which is good for two to three list seats.
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January 22, 2014 10:02pm
Kea

Look in the mirror Kea

You are just a arrogant troll, and insecure enough to try and impose your views on others.
You are scum.

Ohhhh the irony, it burns !!! 🙂

How about we all just keep our views to ourselves then on KB ? Surely that will make KB a more civilised and interesting place for everyone. I mean people don’t come here expecting the free exchange of differing ideas, now do they ?

I have previously offered to not mention religion, first, but the vile nasty Christians can not help but pour hate on someone. However I am seldom the first to raise the topic and usually do so in response to an anti Muslim piece. Now I know that gets Christians off almost as much as little boys do, but I remember the target has historically been Jews. They remember that too. Same behaviour and justifications, just another target.
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January 22, 2014 10:03pm
Pete George

Colin Craig has had far more media coverage than any other party and has been pushing smacking as a priority policy. 2.5% is close to their best of 3% and have hit 2.5 twice before and twelve times on 2%. Conservatives will find it difficult getting much more as the political year gets very competitive.
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January 22, 2014 10:09pm
stephieboy

Now there is a deep truth in this comment by SPC thats worth thinking about,

3. the link between American presence in the ME for world market oil reasons and alliance with Israel is all in your mind.

Oil is used to explain everything about US policy in the Middle East and Israel.Things are rather more complex than that. Take the war In Iraq 2003.The real motive we are told was Oil and that brings in Jewish Finance and other machinations of Exxon and other oil Companies. Not to forget Israel and the jews. Things are never that simple and the consequences of the Iraq war bare that out.
The US did not do very well in that regard leaving empty handed.The new regime installed farmed out most oil concessions and ongoing exploration licenses to Chinese State Oil companies.Also the Iraq regime has allied itself to Assad and Shias.
This fact also witnessed a measured decline of Oil imports from the ME by the US to about 14 %. It now sources most of its oil from the Western Hemisphere ( Mexico, Canada, Venezuela, Brazil Canada as well as local production) and Nigeria.)
Thus issues like Oil and Geopolitics especially in the Middle East cannot be subjected to simplistic formulations as Conspiracy theorists ,anti Obamas and GWBs for that matter would like to suggest.
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January 22, 2014 10:35pm
Pete George

From iPredict’s latest report:

… the chances of a National prime minister after this year’s general election has improved to 58.3%, from 53.3%

…the likelihood of a Labour prime minister has dropped to 41.7% probability, from 45.1%

NZ First is not expected back in Parliament, while Act is only a 50% chance of winning the pivotal Epsom seat

Mana and UnitedFuture have an 80.2% probability of winning at least one seat, followed by the Conservatives (64.6%) and the Maori Party (61.5%).

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/keys-re-election-chances-improve-inflation-surprise-wont-sway-rbnz-ipredict-dw-15088
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January 22, 2014 10:36pm
SPC

stephieboy, I said it because I think it was about oil and not Israel. Not for the oil companies so much but to have the Iraqi oil back on the market. The longstanding oil embargo was against the regime, but it was bad for the global economy so remove the regime and the oil is back on the market (what oil companies invest their money and pump out the oil is not that important except to the oil companies).
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January 22, 2014 10:46pm
Kea

stephieboy is now into “deep truth” from SPC LOL 🙂

The same SPC who reckons Israel and the US have nothing to do with each other and rejects every word I have posted from educated Jews and attacks me for what they said.

Deeeeeep Truth FFS !
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January 22, 2014 11:05pm
SPC

Kea, you demonstrate that anyone can invent up a make belief version of the world and no religion is required for this.

And that you will resort to personal attacks on those who disagree. Much like those of religion have done and some still do.

Nice mirror imaging.
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January 22, 2014 11:08pm
Kea

the oil is back on the market

SPC, oil is only worth something when you sell it DOH ! And the only way to get top dollar is put it on the open market.

Nope that is not reason.
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January 22, 2014 11:10pm
Kea

SPC, you are living proof of how religion fucks the brain. This is why I am so against it. The insane statements you have made regarding US Israel relations defy belief. Even when I cluttered the thread with links to US statements and Israeli news sources. All which can be readily accessed by anyone.
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January 22, 2014 11:13pm
Kea

Aside from the US (second biggest Jewish country) doing Israels bidding, there is indeed another reason for the US suddenly being concerned about “human rights” in the Muslim world.

All countries that get ideas about trading oil in currencies other that the US dollar are suddenly found to have all manner of human rights deficiencies, requiring bombs, drones and mass murder to remedy.

Just as long as Israel is ok with it.

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The Real But Unspoken
Reasons For The Iraq War

Summary

Although completely suppressed in the U.S. media, the answer to the Iraq enigma is simple yet shocking – it an an oil CURRENCY war. The Real Reason for this upcoming war is this administration’s goal of preventing further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an oil transaction currency standard. However, in order to pre-empt OPEC, they need to gain geo-strategic control of Iraq along with its 2nd largest proven oil reserves. This lengthy essay will discuss the macroeconomics of the “petro-dollar” and the unpublicized but real threat to U.S. economic hegemony from the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency.

http://www.rense.com/general34/realre.htm
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January 22, 2014 11:17pm
Kea

America’s true reason for intervention, and missile attacks against Libya has become very clear today with a sudden creation by the rebels of a new central bank on March 29th.

The rebels in Libya are in the middle of a life or death civil war and Moammar Gadhafi is still in power and yet somehow the Libyan rebels have had enough time to establish a new Central Bank of Libya and form a new national oil company.

Six months before the US moved into Iraq to take down Saddam Hussein, the oil nation had made the move to accept Euro’s instead of dollars for oil, and this became a threat to the global dominance of the dollar as the reserve currency, and its dominion as the petrodollar.

http://www.examiner.com/article/america-s-true-reason-for-attacking-libya-becomes-clear-with-new-central-bank
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January 22, 2014 11:27pm
SPC

Kea, the American government is pro the stock market, more oil available to the market means more confidence/stability and rising stocks – and their low CG Tax rate at 15% means they get growth in their historic savings/wealth. To us they say its pro jobs etc – but much like QE the first objective is to raise the stock market, the economic benefits are trickle down.
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January 23, 2014 12:03am
SPC

Kea, sure currency issues have some importance in strategic thinking, but not so much as per Iraq.

Decisions made there indicate no great concern to control the ownership of the oil or the sale of it – just make it available to the world market by replacing the regime against which there were sanctions.
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January 23, 2014 12:08am
SPC

Kea, do you know what I put on my census form – a clue, you do not see it on the census results. I don’t put down no religion, despite not being of any religious group. I will say though that religious groups require some source for their common belief, is there any that is credible?

But I note that your first reaction to someone standing their ground against you, when you proselytise on an issue on which you have firm convictions, is to presume they are someone to be attacked over their religion. In some debates, it would have been the other’s race, or creed or gender or sexuality or employment caste.

I just don’t find firm convictions of themselves convincing – not from Zionists, crusaders, jihadists or yourself.
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January 23, 2014 12:16am
SPC

Kea, the amount of oil Iraq was selling before the regime change was in controlled low amounts – the currency transactions involved were small and insignificant. And Iraq is a member of OPEC, it was founded in Baghdad.
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January 23, 2014 12:24am
Tom Jackson

Cool. What did they get? Some F 22s would do the job on Iran.

Hardly. The F-22 is a lemon, as is the F-35 Joint Strike fighter (which is amusing because the Australians are locked into buying the latter for political reasons). In both cases politics triumphed over good design.

The F-22 is a bit like the space shuttle. It looks good on paper and is a technical marvel, but it’s basically a death trap. It’s designed to fulfil the Americans’ desired mode of battle, which is to engage the enemy at longer ranges where the enemy cannot shoot back. If they can’t manage that, they’re beat, and there have been persistent rumours of F-22s being detected and royally spanked in training exercises by Eurofighter Typhoons, a cheaper and more manoeuvrable aircraft. When the PAK-FA enters service, the F-22 is a dead duck. Even the Chinese seem to have something better in the pipeline.

The F-35 is much worse. It’s a flying pig in all but name. You can immediately see what’s wrong with it: the wing area is too small relative to the size and weight of the fuselage: thus it will handle like a pig. This is not an opinion – it’s basic physics. The F-35 is nothing less than an airborne turd.
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January 23, 2014 1:36am
SPC

Must suck being in the IDF and have to use second choice aircraft just because the Americans finance it.
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January 23, 2014 1:42am
Kea

SPC, why don’t the IDF just throw rocks at their enemies ?

It must be terrible for those brave jews to have their main battle tanks attacked by infants throwing pebbles at them.
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