General Debate 18 January 2014

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iMP

Dear Chris. Process this ,,
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January 18, 2014 9:25am
Pauleastbay

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11188341

After 2 plus years of Auckland Housing stories it appears that cycling is the Heralds new obsession, something like 14 cycling pieces this past week.

An advocacy rag that is clearly driven by someone with an agenda – as the circulation comes tumbling down
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January 18, 2014 9:26am
Chuck Bird

Gone too soon: Kids who died at hands of parents

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11188259

I hope this tragedy where some arsehole who hated his ex more than he loved his children make things still worse for the majority of good fathers who are separated like happened with the knee jerk legislate after the Bristol murder/suicide.

Also not from the article that there are a number of mother who do the same but there is not near the media coverage and when their is the father is often blamed is some way.
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January 18, 2014 9:42am
Pete George

A novel idead – A Nation of Opportunity

This year is election year and Labour will be bringing a message of hope to New Zealand.

In this speech, I’ll lay out how Labour will create opportunities for every New Zealander, no matter who they are or where they were born.

I’ll be talking about an economy that works for all of us – one where every Kiwi can get ahead, and where no one is left behind.

This marks the start of our election year journey towards building a better New Zealand together. I hope to see you there.

http://yournz.org/2014/01/17/cunliffe-cringe/
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January 18, 2014 9:44am
flipper

MEMO for Nasska….

Apropos our recent debate on the Wairarapa constituency…what I knew, and what I could not, nor would, leak, is mentioned by Small in the Dom Post today.

But anyone who thinks that the owner of the absentee owner if the Matahiwi Winery is a certainty for selection has been listening to his out of town PR folk.

Cheers
F
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January 18, 2014 9:46am
Manolo

Slamming the Messiah: http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/obama-s-nsa-proposals-fall-far-short-of-real-change-20140117
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January 18, 2014 9:47am
Viking2

PEB. They don’t walk alone.

Estimates on the number of people using television (PUTS) – fell in the second half of last year, although the ad rates remained buoyant.

The problem facing TVNZ is that there is little point in its existence other than its own survival. It has neither embraced public good broadcasting nor succeeded in making serious profits. News and current affairs standards slumped with the only positive signs being changes to TV One’s ill-fated Seven Sharp.

Unlikely as well.

so the media industry is being beat up.

So is Yellow who, for advertising, are now essentially irrelevant despite their crap to the contrary.
People just google or use Trademe.
The only part of newsprint that works and is growing is the likes of the Weekend Sun and some other freebie weeklys. .

The internet has cleaned them out and as it develops more will clean out the music moguls as well. Performers simply don’t need them anymore as Lorde has demonstrated. Music today is as temporary and fickle as news.

The sooner we get better Braodband the better. (ah, maybe that is who has been opposing a new cable. yeah,nah. Its the paranoid schizo’s at the FBI. I’m mean you have to be one to join.)

Off topic but I see the Black Power of One has now banned evesdropping on his freinds. Yeh right Tui says!

President Barack Obama has banned US eavesdropping on the leaders of close friends and allies and begun reining in the vast collection of Americans’ phone data.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9624585/Obama-bans-leader-eavesdropping

Perhaps we could follow the trend or perhaps we could decide publicly and for Kiwi’s what we consider acceptable, recognising all the while that there are some out there that need white coats and they are coming to get us.
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January 18, 2014 9:49am
Keeping Stock

National’s rejuvenation continues, with John Hayes accepting that he’s not going to survive a challenge for his seat and retiring. John Key has managed to turn over more than 20% of his caucus without a murmur.

How jealous must David Cunliffe be? He knows that if he puts the squeeze on the likes of Goff, Mallard or King the ABC club will come back to life. So Labour’s caucus will be the same old same old. Oh dear; how sad; never mind 😀

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/the-rejuvenation-continues.html
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January 18, 2014 9:51am
Viking2

Read that flipper. I thoiught oh no not another fucking currency trader.
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January 18, 2014 9:51am
Viking2

fouind it for u.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9623509/Wairarapa-MP-Hayes-calls-time
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January 18, 2014 9:56am
Reid

Useful overview for those who don’t already know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnfuF0oYhAk
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January 18, 2014 9:59am
kowtow

Opportunities?

Here’s a good article on the need for same and yet Labour oppose traditional labour activities like mining ,drilling etc.

http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/opinion/288567/new-zealand-selling-its-young-people-short
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January 18, 2014 10:02am
Pete George

Chuck – yes, that’s one of the side issues from anyone who acts despicably, any repercussions can have an impact on many people in far milder or non-threatening situations.

Also not from the article that there are a number of mother who do the same but there is not near the media coverage and when their is the father is often blamed is some way.

A remarkable claim using this case as an example. How many women kill their kids to spite their ex? Pretty much none, this seems a male problem and about as bad as you can get, killing your kids to punish their mother for giving them the boot. And in this case it’s hard to criticise a woman for not wanting anything to do with a man like that.
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January 18, 2014 10:02am
flipper

Vikling …

Yep Scott thinks he is a certainty…… BUT ??????

Keeping…

You have been listening to false prophets..

The fellow, on his third marriage, who visits the Wairarapa, and says he will reside outside the Wairarapa (because of his children) if he secures the nomination, will need to build a team of on the ground volunteer workers.

As others, including the labour lawyer, Bott,. and now the TAB bookie, McAnulty, have found, an electorate the size of the State of Israel, requires more than a PR firm, or a few union thugs and students. It requires committed volunteers, and lots of them. They will have to be motivated, and they get pissed off when folk start to make assumptions before selection, and sell snakeoil.
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January 18, 2014 10:12am
Dean Papa

Prof Brian Cox, former keyboard player for D:Ream -“Things Can Only Get Better” – captures some ancient light rays on his digital camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkjuIoCorTE
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January 18, 2014 10:18am
Keeping Stock

@ flipper – I make no comment on Scott, other than that he had signalled an intention to challenge Hayes, and Hayes blinked first. At 65, and not having advanced beyond the back bench in three terms as an MP, who would blame him?

And the choice of Kieran McAnulty as Labour’s candidate is interesting, given Labour taking the moral high ground on problem gambling and Sky City. Then again, given that senior Labour saw nothing wrong with being entertained by Sky City at Eden Park last year, nothing that the Labour Party does surprises me any more.
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January 18, 2014 10:20am
Odakyu-sen

A terrible crime in Dunedin, what what could any spouse reasonable do to protect themselves from such a lunatic? The Herald article blames the system (the implication being a stronger, more invasive system, with more funding is the answer).

Hypothetically, if you were faced with a similar situation, what could you do to mitigate the risk? (Apart from fleeing when the other party turned up.)
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January 18, 2014 10:21am
Chuck Bird

“Hypothetically, if you were faced with a similar situation, what could you do to mitigate the risk?”

Have the house alarmed set when you go to bed and buy a gun.
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January 18, 2014 10:27am
OneTrack

Pete re Cunliffe “In this speech, I’ll lay out how Labour will create opportunities for every New Zealander, no matter who they are or where they were born.”

And it starts with Labour and the Greens taxing and regulating the bejesus out of the productive sector. What GFC – those SMEs are just “rich pricks” ™ with swimming pools of money under their mansions. They will be made to give it to “us”. That would be “fair” ™.
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January 18, 2014 10:30am
Chuck Bird

“How many women kill their kids to spite their ex? Pretty much none, this seems a male problem and about as bad as you can get, killing your kids to punish their mother for giving them the boot.”

PG, have you any proof of that aside from the bias view feminist sociologists?
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January 18, 2014 10:31am
flipper

Keeping…
You know NOT what you are talking about.
There was no blinking by Hayes. It was long planned, as several electorate members previously knew, but did not say..
And Scott will NOT be the only one seeking the nomination.
At least two others, with long term Wairarapa NP involvement are in the mix, As will be one rural based list MP.

The so called “moral high ground” on Sky city cuts no ice in the Wairarapa, and apart from the usual bunch of unionists and students, McAnulty has no volunteer base. He is actually advertising to try and establish a base.

So KS, please take your imagination elsewhere. 🙂
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January 18, 2014 10:35am
Keeping Stock

I bow to your superior and insider knowledge flipper 😀
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January 18, 2014 10:38am
flipper

Keeping…
Apols…misread your final para.
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January 18, 2014 10:39am
Reid

US Circuit Appeals Court rules against net neutrality.

http://www.activistpost.com/2014/01/net-neutrality-dies-is-free-and-open.html

Colorado update.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/everything-was-funny-cnn-reporter-gets-high-during-colorado-marijuana-legalisation-report-9060629.html

Syria update.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/01/16/345909/syria-hit-by-saudisponsored-crisis/

Farage update. Those who don’t think the media are controlled should ask themselves why we have heard so little about Iceland, which by contrast to Greece, imprisoned the bankers, threw out the govt and re-wrote the constitution. And it’s doing fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGNoZfvRoA
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January 18, 2014 10:39am
Scott Chris

After 2 plus years of Auckland Housing stories it appears that cycling is the Heralds new obsession, something like 14 cycling pieces this past week.

It’s called recycling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goq1MEzresg
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January 18, 2014 10:40am
Pete George

Your made the initial assertion Chuck, you come up with the evidence. Mothers do kill their kids, an Australian study found that nearly as many did as men, but I think men are far more likely to do it out of spite as a result of their loss of power in a relationship. Mothers will have different reasons.

Gone too soon: Kids who died at hands of parents
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January 18, 2014 10:40am
bc

Chuck Bird @ 9.42am
What a prat – using a shocking murder as an example of a perceived media bias.
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January 18, 2014 10:41am
bhudson

KS,

Don’t be so hasty. Spin is not within the purview of one side only
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January 18, 2014 10:42am
Snarkle

Here’s an idea. Let’s start an on-line CIR. Assault on a visitor to our country= automatic strike offence. Ignorance of the visitor’s status no defence.
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January 18, 2014 10:42am
peterwn

Odakyu-sen – In the old days, he would probably have been certified and locked up in Seacliffe for life.
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January 18, 2014 10:43am
Odakyu-sen

Thanks for the comments, Chuck.
So far, we have:

– Buy a firearm (or have some other useable weapon handy)
– Alarm the house
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January 18, 2014 10:43am
F E Smith

And in other news…

An interesting post from The Defence Brief (an English legal blog) today. In NZ a person who successfully defends a criminal charge is generally not awarded their costs. It means that defending a criminal case can bankrupt a person and is why legal aid is sought so often.

In the UK, it used to be that a successful defendant was awarded costs, using the same principle as in the civil courts that an unsuccessful claimant should compensate the successful defendant for requiring them to engange counsel, etc.

But, many people make an economic decision to plead guilty even when they have a defence. I have seen more often than I like. Anyway, here is most of the story:

In today’s case, this defence was wide open to my client. I won’t bore you with the full details but essentially the client states that he was out drinking with his girlfriend and friends. She let slip that she had been sleeping with somebody else behind his back and in a drunken fit of emotion he returned to his car, punched it once or twice then sat in it smoking for about 15-20 minutes after which time the police arrived and arrested him for being drunk in charge. Police attended as somebody saw him punch the car and calling the police thinking he was a vandal.

Now, whether you believe him or not is irrelevant because we don’t know if it’s true or not; all we know is that he insists that it is the truth and that his account gives him a defence.

He decided to plead guilty, not because he accepts that he was going to drive but because he took a commercial decision that the cost of fighting and winning the trial was greater than the cost of pleading guilty at the earliest opportunity.

Under the old system, a defendant who wins his trial would have had all of his reasonably incurred costs reimbursed from central funds (which are the Government’s pot of cash for paying out legal costs in cases they lose a case). The new system; however, limits the amount of money that a defendant who is acquitted of all criminal allegations can expect to get back.

In this case, the defendant decided that the risk of not getting his money back following a successful trial outweighed the consequences of pleading guilty, losing his driving licence for up to six-months and accepting his first criminal conviction.

I can’t be the only one who thinks that the purpose of the criminal justice system is, as the Overriding Objective in the Criminal Procedure Rules says, to convict the guilty and acquit the innocent. It’s one thing for a business to make commercial decisions whether to defend a case against themselves in the civil courts entirely on the money but it is not how the criminal courts should be run… not in my opinion at least.
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January 18, 2014 10:44am
peterwn

Snarkle – most of the assaults on overseas visitors are ‘strike’ offences anyway since they also involve robbery. A third strike for this is 14 years in prison which has the crim huggers all outraged.
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January 18, 2014 10:48am
jackinabox

Chuck Bird (4,215 comments) says:

January 18th, 2014 at 10:27 am

“Hypothetically, if you were faced with a similar situation, what could you do to mitigate the risk?”

Have the house alarmed set when you go to bed and buy a gun.”

Change the bloody locks! She didn’t even change the locks. He had a key and walked straight in.

For three months his mates and the cops were aware that he was threatening to kill his kids to get back at her. Did he have a firearms licence and if not how come he had a shot gun and ammunition? Where were the cops in this? Did they really care or were they taking his side? He was “one of the good guys” after all.

If it was me and my ex was threatening to kill our kids the very first thing I would do is disappear overseas and if that was not an option I’d make a pre-emptive strike and let the Court sort it out.
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January 18, 2014 10:49am
Chuck Bird

PG, according to most feminist academics – male or female. Women are seldom at fault for anything they do. The try to claim that is nearly all cases where women used violence they had some justification – even when they murder their husbands the claim battered women’s syndrome. Gay Oakes is a prime example. It is an outrage that the man hating dykes from the women’s refuge were never charged.
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January 18, 2014 10:51am
Pete George

according to most feminist academics – male or female. Women are seldom at fault for anything they do.

An assertion, no proof, Still sounds like being on the feminist bashwagon.

In any failed relationship and in any family breakdown both partners are at fault. It’s a matter of how anger is inflicted and how serious the outcome.

Regardless of any other case I think killing two of your own children to punish an ex-partner is about as low as you can go. Do you agree or disagree Chuck?
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January 18, 2014 10:58am
Chuck Bird

FES, from my limited knowledge of the law on drunk driving your client was guilty even if telling the truth. He was drunk. In the car and had the keys. The law often is an ass.
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January 18, 2014 10:58am
bc

Chuck Bird, you really need to get over this anti-women thing, you sound bitter.
I’m imagining you and Kea together, sitting in the corner of a pub, crying over a beer about feminists and how women get away with everything these days.
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January 18, 2014 10:59am
Pete George

It is an outrage that the man hating dykes from the women’s refuge were never charged.

Sounds like anti-homosexual syndrome again.
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January 18, 2014 11:00am
Kea

A terrible crime in Dunedin, what what could any spouse reasonable do to protect themselves from such a lunatic?

You could start by not marginalising men and by doing away with the institutional misandry that infects our legal system. Then men won’t be so inclined to become frustrated and desperate. Most domestic violence is committed by women. When ever a women does wrong the media portray her as a “victim” and try and justify it. Well I think this poor desperate man in Dunedin was driven to it. He was a victim of domestic violence and was marginalised.
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January 18, 2014 11:01am
Chuck Bird

Pete, I followed case very closely. I met Doug Gardner’s brother and sister. What I say about the lesbian at the refuge is a fact. Do you want to debate on facts or name call?
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January 18, 2014 11:05am
jackinabox

“In any failed relationship and in any family breakdown both partners are at fault.”

An assertion, no proof.

Is being dumped for a younger model a “fault”?
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January 18, 2014 11:06am
Kea

Chuck Bird, you really need to get over this anti-women thing, you sound bitter.
I’m imagining you and Kea together, sitting in the corner of a pub, crying over a beer about feminists and how women get away with everything these days.

bc, In your dreams little fella. Women are not stupid and see through sleazy creeps like you easily. They keep a few around as gophers and dogs bodies, but it wont be you shagging their brains out later.
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January 18, 2014 11:06am
bhudson

Regardless of any other case I think killing two of your own children to punish an ex-partner is about as low as you can go

I agree Pete.

Can you point to the case of such that you are referring to and to which you have proof of the motive? Other than an only an assertion thereof. (Being something you just chastised Chuck for doing.)
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January 18, 2014 11:08am
bc

Yep, here’s Kea with some more of his women hating rubbish, right on cue. Exactly what I said.
You couldn’t have timed it any better!
Kea and Chuck and have a good moan about feminists together, and wish that things were like the good ‘ole days where women knew their place and if they stepped out of line you could give them a smack or two.
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January 18, 2014 11:08am
Scott Chris

It is an outrage that the man hating dykes from the women’s refuge were never charged.

Chuck fails to see that his objection to apparent misandry is expressed in explicitly misogynistic terms. Dumbest comment on KB so far this year.

*edit, second dumbest. Just saw Troll Kea’s comment.
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January 18, 2014 11:12am
bc

Kea you are so detached from reality, that you’ve just become a parody of yourself.
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January 18, 2014 11:14am
Odakyu-sen

– Buy a firearm (or have some other useable weapon handy)
– Alarm the house (or get a loud dog)
– Change the locks
– Disappear overseas (or over the Bombay Hills, up into the bowels of South Auckland)
– Make a “pre-emptive strike” (now that’s what I call “empowerment”)
– Find out what he is telling his “mates” (by befriending one of them, I suppose)
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January 18, 2014 11:14am
Kea

Is being dumped for a younger model a “fault”?

If you are a typical kiwi chic and turned into a big fat angry lumbering slob, yes.

Most marriages are ended by women. They simply reach an age where they get bored and want to fuck around live in a hedonistic way. The most common reason the women gives is disatisfaction. However, in order to gain sympathy they will invariably portray themselves as “VICTIMS” of something. They will also tell bald faced lies about how long they tried and endured in order to save the marriage.

Other women play along with it, on the basis the favour will be returned. NZ’s army of broken spirited pseudo men who are desperate for a bit of female attention, will grovel to them and bolster the victim narrative.
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January 18, 2014 11:15am
Chuck Bird

bc, so you think the mothers who murdered their children as reported in the Herald article were justified in doing so? It sound like it to me. I disagree with Kea on saying the guy may have been driven to this. While I do not justify murder I can understand a man or a woman finding their spouse unfaithful and killing them and maybe the other party in a fit of rage. However, I cannot understand, justify or find excuses for an parent – mother or father to murder their children.
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January 18, 2014 11:16am
jackinabox

I notice it took the OAS FIFTY minutes to arrive at the house. Why so long, were they waiting at their “safe arrival point” until a civilian at the scene of the shootings confirmed that the gunman was dead and no longer a threat to thick blue line? Useless bloody cops!
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January 18, 2014 11:18am
Kea

Here we have some of our resident pseudo men rushing in to defend the helpless females LOL 🙂

What sleazy little creeps. No wonder women regard their sort with such contempt. They treat women as objects rather than people. Women can not relax around their sort as it is hard to be yourself when you are stuck on a pedestal.

Interestingly, sex workers know it is the bc’s & Scott Chris’s (pretend to be nice guys) who are most abusive and just plain weird and creepy.

I find them rather disgusting, as do women.
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January 18, 2014 11:21am
Harriet

Chuck Bird#

“…..Also not from the article that there are a number of mothers who do the same but there is not near the media coverage and when their is the father is often blamed in some way….”

My understanding is that it is almost always mothers who are involved in serious child violence and death – as it includes the knowledge that boyfriends and husbands are doing it.

Firstly, a large proportion of ‘boyfriend’ related cases of child abuse[non sexual] that leads to hospitalisation or death, happens with the mothers knowledge of prior violence of the child by the boyfriend. Some mothers do it also.

Secondly, fathers figure very lowly in belting kids who go on to be hospitalised or die without mum knowing they were doing it. Some mothers do it also.

Thirdly, custody battles are the only major factor that contribute to the deaths of children by fathers who were in previous non-violent relationships. Also, fathers don’t belt their kids to get back at mum – and neither do most mothers for that matter. The kids don’t die that way. It is custody – or lack off – that leads to some fathers killing their kids. And some mothers doing it also.

Therefor in nearly all cases, fathers[and boyfriends too] simply don’t kill without the mothers prior knowledge that violence has occured. So it is the mothers who have prior knowledge of child violence who can stop almost all of the deaths by removing them from it. Or be more considerate towards custody. Fathers should too.

And kids themselves who don’t get beaten apparently have no chance at all of ever being hospitalised or dying from violence from their parents, as there are only rare cases of ‘one-off’ beatings that lead to death by parents, and it’s mainly infants of up to about a year – which is to be an expected high risk area as infants are very likely to be very seriously harmed from being just shaken alone – unlike a 3yld or 9yld old. And no one wakes up and beats a 3yld old or 9yld for the first time and hard enough that it kills them. It doesn’t happen.

Conclusion: violence leads to all child deaths and nearly all the mothers knew it was happening.
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January 18, 2014 11:22am
Kea

I disagree with Kea on saying the guy may have been driven to this.

Chuck Bird, yeah well I disagree with Kea too on that.

The point being made was the double standard. The most horrific female violence in always, with no exceptions, justified on the grounds she [the offender] was actually the victim.

Sleaze bags (like bc & Scott Chris) are happy to play along with it, hoping they might get a root if they just grovel hard enough.
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January 18, 2014 11:27am
bc

Scott Chris, so true.
Since returning to kiwiblog, Kea’s trolling is just so obvious now. He doesn’t even try to hide it.
Kea’s return to kiwiblog reminds me of Winston Peters return to parliament.
Winston in his prime tended to stick to the same one or two issues, but at least he was entertaining. You could say the same of Kea.
Now Winston is just a sad, desperate caricature of himself. That is Kea in kiwblog 2014.
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January 18, 2014 11:28am
Kea

as it includes the knowledge that boyfriends and husbands are doing it.

My ex wife suffered years of serious sexual abuse by her stepfather and her mum knew it was happening. She did not want to lose her man so did nothing about it. Women frequently prostitute their own kids in these long term abuse situations. They are only concerned about getting what they want.
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January 18, 2014 11:31am
jackinabox

“most horrific female violence in always, with no exceptions, justified on the grounds she [the offender] was actually the victim.”

How long ago was the Christchurch “Black Widow” Helen Milner convicted again? She was regarded as a “victim” by the cops until the real victim’s sister showed just how gullible and or incompetent the cops usually are.
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January 18, 2014 11:33am
Pete George

I can understand a man or a woman finding their spouse unfaithful and killing them and maybe the other party in a fit of rage.

I can’t understand that. I think it’s a totally inappropriate reaction. I struggle to think of any circumstances where it would be understandable to kill someone for being unfaithful. It can be very hurtful for sure, but I don’t see how that can excuse murder.

An ironically Chuck has claimed an excuse for murder while dumping on women’s refuge for making excuses for women.
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January 18, 2014 11:33am
Kea

bc, keep crawling sleaze bag. You may get rewarded with a mercy fuck… one day LOL 🙂

[DPF: You’re getting close to the line]
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January 18, 2014 11:34am
Kea

She was regarded as a “victim” by the cops until the real victim’s sister showed …

jackinabox, your reliance on facts and your total lack of a double standard is clear evidence you hate women and are an “abuser” of some type !!!! 😉
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January 18, 2014 11:37am
Harriet

I’ve seen Pete George receive some classic putdowns – but this is good :

‘……..Kea’s return to kiwiblog reminds me of Winston Peters return to parliament…………..Winston in his prime tended to stick to the same one or two issues, but at least he was entertaining. You could say the same of Kea…………..Now Winston is just a sad, desperate caricature of himself……….That is Kea in kiwblog 2014….”

Winston is a one trick pony in election year too……trolling about for an arguement. 😎
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January 18, 2014 11:38am
Reid

I struggle to think of any circumstances where it would be understandable to kill someone for being unfaithful.

Pete he’s not excusing it he’s saying as a matter of analysing why humans do what they do, he could understand: i.e. comprehend it. Repeat: he’s not saying “it’s understandable that x did…” he’s saying “it can be understood WHY x did…”

And he’s right, I can understand it too. Just like I can understand WHY this prick was so unthinkably selfish he’d choose to destroy his own children – two unspeakably precious lives – merely to get at his wife. If you understand humans then you DO understand these things. That doesn’t mean one approves of it, it doesn’t mean one is excusing it and it doesn’t mean you’d go and do it yourself.
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January 18, 2014 11:42am
Kea

Harriet, that is a compliment, not a put down.

If I gained the approval, of those who pretend to have morals they do not have, then I would be upset.
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January 18, 2014 11:43am
Manolo

Something else: don’t ever attack Islam or defend Israel in Kea’s presence.
The religion of peace above all! 😀
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January 18, 2014 11:49am
Scott Chris

Interestingly, sex workers know it is the bc’s & Scott Chris’s bla bla bla……

Heh, bc, Troll Kea’s a sex worker. No wonder she has such a thick skin. No doubt her clients want her to abuse them.
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January 18, 2014 11:52am
Manolo

Lindsay is 100% correct and on the money: http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/but-what-about-super-numbers.html
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January 18, 2014 11:54am
Kea

Manolo, you missed the point. I am attacking double standards. Women and Jews both invoke special pleading from the intellectually dishonest.
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January 18, 2014 11:54am
bc

Kea @ 11.34am
Oh that is just so sad. What has happened to you?
If you want to return to your glory days of kiwiblogs #1 troll, you are going to have to do better than that.
You need some new material Kea.
So very, very sad.

Kea’s kiwiblog report card for 2014: MUST TRY HARDER.
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January 18, 2014 11:56am
jackinabox

“jackinabox, your reliance on facts and your total lack of a double standard is clear evidence you hate women and are an “abuser” of some type !!!! ;)”

You’ve got my number Kea 😮
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January 18, 2014 11:57am
Kea

bc, when it comes to being a Try Hard you do speak with some authority, I will give you that much.

Was there ever a time you were guided by what is right and reasonable, or have you always parroted what you think is most popular with your selected peer group, in order to fit in ?

Just curious …
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January 18, 2014 11:59am
jackinabox

bc ….bumptious crawler
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January 18, 2014 12:04pm
Kea

Manolo, I have previously said that of all the ignorant barbaric desert cults Judaism is my current favourite. Jews have been at the leading edge of the liberal changes that so distress Christian conservatives.

Also they are largely atheists and make cool guns 🙂

Why so many Jews are atheists

Rabbi Levi Brackman

Real cause of overwhelming Jewish atheistic tendencies seems to be tragic ignorance of Judaism’s most profound teachings and ideas.

It is indisputable that a disproportionate amount of secular Jews self identify as atheist or agnostics. The celebrated atheist Christopher Hitchens has suggested that this is because Jews carry an atheist gene.

For thousands of years Jews have been taught to question and delve deeper to uncover the truth inherent in any discussion. This tradition lives on in the Jewish community ….

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3809043,00.html
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January 18, 2014 12:07pm
dog_eat_dog

Keep on making excuses for people who murder their kids Kea, you’re a star!
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January 18, 2014 12:09pm
bc

Kea @ 11.59am
Now that’s much better.
– Abuse more targeted
– Trolling not so obvious
– Good use of scarcasm, with a little passive-aggressiveness at the end.

Well done. It’s taken you the whole morning to get there, but you may yet return to your former glory as kiwiblogs #1 troll.

I’m glad to helped with your self-improvement today, Kea!
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January 18, 2014 12:17pm
Fletch

Idiots.

The U.S to import thousands of Syrian refugees, which is fine I guess, but the Obama administration will waive the terror prevention laws that usually restrict access, and will just let them in.

From the Wall Street Journal –

U.S. plans to resettle thousands of Syrians displaced by their country’s civil war could hinge on those refugees receiving exemptions from laws aimed at preventing terrorists from entering the country.

A U.S. official stated publicly for the first time this week that some of the 30,000 especially vulnerable Syrians the United Nations hopes to resettle by the end of 2014 will be referred to the U.S. for resettlement.

The U.S. has not set a specific target for how many refugees it will resettle. But at a Senate hearing Tuesday, State Department Assistant Secretary Anne Richard said, “We expect to accept referrals for several thousand Syrian refugees in 2014.”

Molly Groom, acting deputy secretary for the Office of Immigration and Border Security at the Department of Homeland Security, acknowledged that “broad definitions” of terrorist activity under U.S. law were “often a hurdle to resettling otherwise eligible refugees who pose no security threat.” She said agencies were consulting to develop exemptions for the Syrians.

Anwen Hughes, a lawyer at Human Rights First who has studied the laws’ impact, said that the government has been “reactive, slow,” about giving exemptions up to now, and urged a swifter process, given the magnitude of the Syrian crisis.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303754404579312901816521062

Yeh, nothing can go wrong there.
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January 18, 2014 12:20pm
Rowan

Chuck
Women who have killed their partners is completely irrelevant to the familicide case in Dunedin, Chuck there certainly is/was loads of coverage of women killers, look at the recent case of Helen Milner or older cases such as Gay Oakes or Katherine Knight over in Aus. No one was blaming Milners husband for what that vindictive pyschopathic bitch did to him.
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January 18, 2014 12:21pm
Kea

dog_eat_dog , I was saying that people should be held to account for such acts of violence, EVEN if they are females.

But you know that don’t you. You were simply setting up a strawman to distract from the real point.

bc, I’m still waiting for an answer ? I am flattered by all the attention, but Kea is not the topic. I am wondering if people like you are more susceptible to social conditioning and group think, as opposed to reasonable people who simply do what is right, rather than be entirely guided by self interest.
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January 18, 2014 12:24pm
Rowan

“Most domestic violence is committed by women. When ever a women does wrong the media portray her as a “victim” and try and justify it. Well I think this poor desperate man in Dunedin was driven to it. He was a victim of domestic violence and was marginalised.”

What a load of bollocks from KBs no 1 troll but what should we expect?
Kea you would probably now be second behind Muggins as KBs no 1 bullshitter.
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January 18, 2014 12:26pm
Kea

Women who have killed their partners is completely irrelevant to the familicide case in Dunedin

LOOOOOOOOOOOL 🙂

There we have it folks.

FFS !
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January 18, 2014 12:26pm
Chuck Bird

PG & others who buy into the propaganda that nearly Domestic Violence here is some reading of proper research.

Toward a Gender-Inclusive Conception
of Intimate Partner Violence Research
and Theory:
Part 1 – Traditional Perspectives

JOHN HAMEL
San Rafael, CA

http://igualdadeparental.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/GenderInclConceptionInIPVResearch.pdf
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January 18, 2014 12:26pm
Pete George

DPF has been taken to task by MickySavage and some of the troops at The Standard regarding who funds Kiwiblog. He has been responding to queries.

A very weasily accusation while appearing to sort of accept DPF’s word:

Te Reo Putake 2.5.1.1
18 January 2014 at 9:46 am

So, no approach at all? No emails, no calls, no quiet word in your ear that it might be better for you to back off? Seems most unlike the bullying Government we’ve come to know and loathe. I only ask because I’m told you’ve been telling people that this actually happened. I’m happy to take your word for it, but others may be more cynical.

http://thestandard.org.nz/scoop-and-whaleoil-a-tale-of-two-websites/#comment-759114

Te Reo Putake is one of the most devious Labour party hacks at The Standard – and has been taken to task for his dishonesty by a number of others there over recent weeks.
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January 18, 2014 12:28pm
Kea

Rowan, real studies (eg: not ones conducted by male hate groups) clearly show women are the main instigators of domestic violence. Though some studies do show they are slightly behind men.

The trouble is for you is the internet. Anyone can spend a few seconds searching and access those studies. This is why people like you so desperately try to shut down freedom of speech.

You want people in the dark and fed your lies.
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January 18, 2014 12:33pm
Rowan

FFS Kea this is about the case in Dunedin, not about your hatred of women. I’m sure that Helen Milner to you is a “victim” and her actions “justified”
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January 18, 2014 12:36pm
Pete George

But it’s also worth noting another couple of comments at TS:

Colonial Viper 9

To DPF: thanks for dropping by and making your comments on The Standard.
Reply

tinfoilhat 9.1

You know what I agree, I don’t agree with his politics but good on him for fronting and giving a simple response to some of the baiting.

And even phil gets taken to task for a typically barely decipherable response to that:

Reply
phillip ure 9.2

@ viper..

..ew..!

..just..ew..!

..and..why..?

..(and you can unpucker yr lips now..eh..?..he’s gone..)

phillip ure..

QoT 9.2.1

Seriously, a dude just says “hey thanks for dropping by” and in your head that translates to some massive, obsequious suck-up? You need more iron in your diet, mate.

A funny dig at the vegan.
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January 18, 2014 12:37pm
stephieboy

Kea (9,494 comments) says:
January 18th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

It therefore will most obviously distress Manolo and yourself that a Jew leads our most successful conservative party.?
Does Colin Craig and his party have an anti jewish policy that agrees with both of your tastes or would that have to be Kylie Chapman and his RWR.?
You might be relived to know though that there is a growing Republican/ Jewish coalition.
The facts are that not all Jews are of a liberal persuasion
Jews Atheistic. ? Sweeping generalization would say. So long it does not become a crime
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January 18, 2014 12:39pm
Chuck Bird

@Rowan, I originally compared women who murdered the children when their marriages broke up or were in trouble. This was in the Herald today and linked to. Have you read it? The sociologist quoted in the Herald, Dr Jo Barnes certainly seems to be making excuses for these women. In contrast I make no excuse for either parent murdering their children.

How much coverage did the case in 2000 of Rosemary Perkin, 35, Nelson, killed daughters Alice, 8, Maria, 6, and Cherie, almost 2, then herself, a few months after separating from her husband get? Nothing like the Bristol case that resulted in a law change very detrimental to fathers.

Of course in such a case as Helen Milner no one blamed her husband. It was a different story with Gaye Oakes. Many people unjustly blamed her partner.
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January 18, 2014 12:39pm
Kea

FFS Kea this is about the case in Dunedin, not about your hatred of women.

1. This is general debate, it is “about” whatever you want it to be.

2. The discussion was “about” domestic violence, but you demanded female domestic violence be excluded.

3. I like women. A lot. In fact I like them so much I can accept them for what they are and do not need to paint a false picture of them and put them on a pedestal.

Women do not see sleazy middle aged men who agree with everything they say as their saviour. Just saying ….
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January 18, 2014 12:42pm
jackinabox

“No one was blaming Milners husband for what that vindictive pyschopathic bitch did to him.”

The cops et al blamed the husband for killing himself until the folly of their ways was shown by a persistent (“annoying”) relative.
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January 18, 2014 12:44pm
Kea

stephieboy , I am an atheist, so they all distress me.

I did not write that article. A Rabbi did. Email him with your points.
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January 18, 2014 12:44pm
Kea

Azeraph (575 comments) says:
January 18th, 2014 at 12:37 pm
I’m getting behind big Kim ditcoms party. Scoff all you like but you guys don’t have clue that it’s type is going to herald a change.

He is against government control of the internet and is for the free exchange of ideas and information.

I am sick of being told what to think and say by corrupt and ignorant busy bodies.

He has got my vote.
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January 18, 2014 12:51pm
stephieboy

Reid (14,699 comments) says:
January 18th, 2014 at 10:39 am

The media are not controlling anyone. There are ample means of finding things about Iceland or Greece as your post ably testifies , mainstream media or otherwise.
But you are highly unlikely to find e.g DPF or Cameron Slater indulging your Illuminati fantasies !
Understandably so .!
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January 18, 2014 12:55pm
Kea

The media are not controlling anyone.

stephieboy, that is one of the most unenlightened comments I have ever read on KB !

Most people simply accept what they hear on the telly and read in the paper. They are not bothered with searching for other view points. They stupidly accept what some teleprompt reader tells them as the credible version of reality. When in fact it is incredibly bias and slanted in one direction. Most of the commentary on this blog is simply parroting what the mass media says is the “correct” view.

The msm do NOT aim report opinion and events, they aim to create them.

Dragging in references to the Illuminati and other crackpots is simply an attempt to shame people into not looking for themselves.
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January 18, 2014 1:02pm
stephieboy

Kea (9,498 comments) says:
January 18th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

Email him with those points .?
Including the patently obvious that we live in a secular post religious thinking age featuring a marked decline in religious observance ,both Christian and Jewish .!
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January 18, 2014 1:04pm
igm

The Manawatu Standard have now tried to outdo their Dominion relative in promoting the obese German slug. Their editor is stating what a force this “great” man is, must be in line for a Labour Party perk.
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January 18, 2014 1:04pm
Rowan

Am looking forward to the not to distant future when DPF finally decides to get rid of Kea’s bird brain, shouldn’t be to long now.

Chuck
I make no excuse for parents murdering their kids male or female, to me they are killers and are not treated differently because of their sex.
“How much coverage did the case in 2000 of Rosemary Perkin”
none at all never heard of it, will google it
Gay Oakes husband was a violent piece of meat who abused the shit out of her, he would very likely have murdered her had she not done what she did, no I do not excuse killing him but he is not ‘blameless’, not sure that she intended to kill him, this is arguable, maybe she should have got manslaughter, but this is now a moot point as she has done her time. I have heard Gay Oakes share somewhat of her ‘decline into darkness’ and what she is doing to move on with her life.
Do you know anything about Katherine Knight or Kathleen Folbigg in Aus? there was no different treatment of them based on their gender. Katherine is the only women sentenced ‘never to be released’ in Australia because of what she did to her partner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Knight
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January 18, 2014 1:07pm
OneTrack

kea – “He is against government control of the internet and is for the free exchange of ideas and information.

I am sick of being told what to think and say by corrupt and ignorant busy bodies.

He has got my vote.”

Who is for government control of the internet and against free exchange of information? National – not so far. Labour – quite possibly. Green – definitely.

Will dotcom support National? No. Will Key even talk to dotcom? No way – he has better things to do.

So Voting dotcom will help the green/labour/mana/winston/dotcom hydra in to powrer.

Vote dotcom and get Russel Norman and Meteria Turei telling you what to think.

Yep, a brilliant plan.
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January 18, 2014 1:12pm
Kea

OneTrack, there are numerous restrictions on freedom of expression and the exchange of information. The authorities simply need to label it “offensive” or some other subjective term.

Thanks to people like Rowan: “Am looking forward to the not to distant future when DPF finally decides to get rid of Kea’s bird brain, shouldn’t be to long now.”

I would happily exchange all the prison inmates for his type. Society would be safer and more decent. It is because of people like Rowan that the Stalins, Hitlers and others were able to do what they did. They are a disease on humanity.

[DPF: 20 demerits. Focus on issues not people]
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January 18, 2014 1:29pm
Chuck Bird

Rowan, I think the lack of coverage of Rosemary Perkins case compared with the Bristol case or the current one prove my case of media bias. I recall the one in the US of the mother drowned her 5 children. The media were making excuses for her and even blame he husband for getting her pregnant so many times and not helping with children.

So you take Oakes word on what happened. I prefer to takes the word of the siblings of Doug Gardner plus the full trial transcripts that I read. In it was clear that she was pissed off that Doug had been seeing his ex wife and was looking at getting back with her. His relations were very honest in my view. They said Doug was no angel but a bit of a rough diamond. The view was that there was mutual violence. They had split up. Doug came back to NZ while Gaye stayed in Oz. She was not forced to come back.

The murder and concealment of the body was carefully planned in advance. I cannot see how you cannot just accept the word of a convicted murderer and say she should have got off with manslaughter.
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January 18, 2014 1:37pm
Rowan

Kea
I suggest you move to North Korea along with Kent and muggins, once they lose their court decision.
That society will be a better fit to you and your views.
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January 18, 2014 1:38pm
Kea

Gay Oakes husband was a violent piece of meat who abused the shit out of her, he would very likely have murdered her had she not done what she did…he is not ‘blameless’, not sure that she intended to kill him, this is arguable

Here we see Rowan portraying the victim as the guilty party and making excuses for the violent murderer.

I wonder if David would be comfortable with female victims of extreme violence being described as pieces of meat who were asking for it on his blog ?

Anyone care to guess the answer ?
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