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igm

Once again Fairfax have their poster boy, the obese criminal slug, flouted on their front page. What is their game with this horrible beast . . . they are aiding and abetting his interfering in politics of a hosting country. A effen disgrace!
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January 12, 2014 8:03am
Viking2

Muslim of the Year.

http://screencast.com/t/863ekfYJd
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January 12, 2014 8:06am
duggledog

Yep, Kim Dotcom the criminal wunderkind is the first face I see. I even saw his fat f***ing face staring out at me from a JB HiFi catalogue yesterday, he’s put out some shit CD destined for the bargain bin ‘Good Times’.

Meanwhile, a guy who was possibly just a little bit more significant is way down the page / bulletin – Ariel Sharon.
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January 12, 2014 8:07am
Viking2

Here’s a good reason.

“Where the government is supposed to serve us the people, we are paying with our taxes that they do a good job for us. But look what they do, they undermine our rights, they destroy our freedoms, they censor our internet, so we are the ones who have to bring that change,” Dotcom said in a documentary by international magazine Vice, released last week.
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January 12, 2014 8:07am
Viking2

Ah a dead corpse has finally fucked off.

8 years as a corpse. must be some sort of record for stupidly supporting life.
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January 12, 2014 8:08am
Manolo

Another letter on the AGW scam we’re paying for (via the ETS tax):
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/9595153/Letter-Our-contribution-is-minuscule
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January 12, 2014 8:09am
Right of way is Way of Right

Viking2 (10,293 comments) says:
January 12th, 2014 at 8:08 am
Ah a dead corpse has finally fucked off.

8 years as a corpse. must be some sort of record for stupidly supporting life.

I assume you speak of Ariel Sharon, but he is giving Len Brown some hope!
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January 12, 2014 8:15am
flipper

If the mad Norseman is referring to Sharon, and I presume it is, take your childish attitudes to Astrolabe Reef and make like a lighthouse.
Pathetic.
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January 12, 2014 8:16am
cha

Out of the pan into the fire and beyond.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/10/opinion/france-hollande-allegation-matthew-fraser/index.html
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January 12, 2014 8:18am
Pete George

Both sides of the smacking debate will probably always make opposing claims from any news.

Fewer parents being investigated despite ‘anti-smacking law’

Supporters of the controversial “anti-smacking” law are claiming victory after a dramatic fall in the number of parents being investigated for hitting their children.

But opponents of the 2007 law change have accused the Government of fudging the numbers.

Ministry of Social Development data shows fewer parents are being investigated for smacking their children. The number dropped by almost third over the past financial year, with 176 parents dobbed in to the MSD, down from 277 the year before.

Police say they have prosecuted just eight parents for smacking children in the five years since the law came in. Seven of those parents had smacked their child in the head or face.

The eighth parent was discharged without conviction for striking the child on the hand. Police said they were also being called to fewer smacking incidents though they stopped counting smacking prosecutions after the Government’s five-year review process came to an end.

Key, who personally voted for the legislation, has consistently refused to entertain a law change, even after a referendum on the issue found 87 per cent of those who voted did not believe smacking should be a criminal offence.

While it’s difficult to measure actual effects it seems like the law has nor made a significant difference, not many prosecutions, many still unhappy and the campaigners continue.

Family First plans to campaign strongly on the issue during the election buildup. “It’s a big issue because it was a law that came into every family home. Politicians want it to simmer down and go away, but it’s not,” McCroskie said, adding figures on falling smacking notifications are “fudged . . . It doesn’t identify cases where parents are being ransomed by their own kids.”

Changing voting based on one relatively minor issue that’s already been thrashed with little change is unlikely.

The economy and who can best manage it is likely to remain the single biggest election issue, along with the associated personalities.

If Colin Craig makes smacking his bottom line as he has indicated he may swing the election away from the centre right, which would be ironic as economically he’s more left.

Surely there’s far more pressing issues for families than the smacking laws.
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January 12, 2014 8:18am
Manolo

Parasite supreme:

Raymond Hull, 58, who has children by 11 women despite only having been married once, appears to have enjoyed the trappings of wealth – BMWs, foreign holidays, and presents for his numerous girlfriends – despite having been out of work for a decade.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537624/Raymond-Hull-Father-22-children-11-women-neighbour-hell-held-wild-boozy-parties-garden-lives-life-luxury-BMW-speedboat-holidays-abroad.html

How many Kiwi ones we have?
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January 12, 2014 8:23am
duggledog

Sue Bradford – a gentle smack for corrective purposes and a piece of 4 x 2 wielded by a drunk dad:

Both are assault. There is no difference.

This is what she admitted on National radio

I think 97% of the people who signed the referendum did so because they hated Sue Bradford as much as her bill.
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January 12, 2014 8:26am
Pete George

Who here would put significant weight on smacking policy in deciding their vote in this year’s election?
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January 12, 2014 8:27am
Pete George

duggledog – one of the biggest problems with the smacking debate is defining a smack. One parent’s tap on the hand is another parent’s whack round the ear, and another parent’s belting.
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January 12, 2014 8:29am
duggledog

Pete –

“Surely there’s far more pressing issues for families than the smacking laws”

Yes, but I think for a lot of people, the fact such an unpopular, pointless piece of legislation took so much energy and time to get through parliament, reminded them that Government wasn’t doing anything useful. Like addressing the ‘pressing issues’ such as why was NZ going into recession before the rest of the world.
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January 12, 2014 8:35am
Viking2

duggledog – one of the biggest problems with the smacking debate is defining a smack. One parent’s tap on the hand is another parent’s whack round the ear, and another parent’s belting.

Pete, I’m nearly 70 and have never had that problem.
It just ain’t that difficult at all.
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January 12, 2014 8:36am
duggledog

Pete – I can show you the difference!

Seriously though, that’s the court’s job. It’s the difference between parenting, and beating someone up. I do not or rather did not, require government assistance in how to raise my children. Fact is, everybody knew it would never address the problem of child neglect and abuse, it hasn’t and it won’t.
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January 12, 2014 8:38am
Viking2

flipper (2,973 comments) says:
January 12th, 2014 at 8:16 am

If the mad Norseman is referring to Sharon, and I presume it is, take your childish attitudes to Astrolabe Reef and make like a lighthouse.
Pathetic.
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8 years of insulting the dignity of life by force feeding a corpse.
Even worse than the Mandela debacle.

For what purpose.

Oh that’s right its all about skyfairies and the like. Your brain needs a retune flipper.
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January 12, 2014 8:40am
duggledog

“Who here would put significant weight on smacking policy in deciding their vote in this year’s election?”

Probably not many, but as part of a common sense raft of policies such as phasing out the DPB within 5 years, ending ToW settlements and removing Maori seats from parliament, keeping Govt spending capped at a % of GDP etc I’d say quite a few!

Cheers
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January 12, 2014 8:49am
flipper

RODNEY HIDE DOES A BRILLIANT JOB THIS MORNING:

Rodney Hide: The glory days are in the past

5:30 AM Sunday Jan 12, 2014
Add a comment

Good and loyal friends have suggested that I put my name forward to be Act’s candidate in Epsom.

They have supported me over many years and therefore I have given their advice serious consideration.

It’s a crucial role. But for Act’s success in Epsom in 2008, Helen Clark would have remained Prime Minister. And its success in 2011 also kept Labour out of power.

That’s why the attacks on John Banks are so intense and sustained. Act’s success has proved the difference between a National-led Government and a Labour-Green one.

It’s a peculiarity of MMP. Incredibly, Labour Party activists door-knocked Epsom in 2005 asking their voters to vote National. Labour’s candidate declared he was following party instruction and voting for National’s candidate, not himself.

The success of a centre-right government under MMP has required the country to vote National and Epsom to vote Act.

That is set to continue. A failure by Act at this election would put at risk New Zealand’s hard-won economic recovery.

There’s a lot at stake. Our continued economic success requires Act to succeed.

I also have a philosophical reason for wanting Act to succeed. I think it’s important to have at least one voice for freedom and reason in our Parliament.

Act provides a much-needed political counterweight to the other parties calling always for more government spending and ever-more regulation. …….”

SAYS IT ALL DOES IT NOT????
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January 12, 2014 8:50am
Viking2

duggledog, don’t know if you read this yesterday.

http://www.elocal.co.nz/View_Article.aspx?Id=1076&title=DNA_to_Rock_the_nation_Part_1

Finally the possibility of shifting the handouts off the table.
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January 12, 2014 8:51am
kowtow

Eight parents prosecuted in the 5 years since the legislation was brought in,seven for smacking the head or face…….

so not one of those cases was a serious “assault”.

In the same period how many children were murdered by a “care giver or guardian”?

The bill was foisted on us on that pretext……hasn’t stopped the dangerous stuff.

We did not need this piece of cultural marxism and the Nats should have the balls to repeal it.
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January 12, 2014 9:07am
Pete George

Probably not many, but as part of a common sense raft of policies such as phasing out the DPB within 5 years

There’s nothing common sense about that unless it also addresses all the associated issues. Just cutting the DPB would create enormous problems.
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January 12, 2014 9:08am
Pete George

kowtow – smacking a kid in the head or face is not serious? Potentially it’s very serious -the same as smacking an adult in the head or face.
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January 12, 2014 9:11am
Viking2

flipper (2,974 comments) says:
January 12th, 2014 at 8:50 am

Banks deserves all he gets. He was never ever an ACT politician.

But otherwise we don’t disagree with the general sentiment of Rodneys words.

however it remains to be seen if Epsom will vote tatically again and if I was anything to do with that process in ACT I would not be considering it a fait a comple.

We have some interesting idea’s and people linning up. Dot coms libertarian approach, John Ansells Together NZ, One Law for all, Craigs Peter’s Party version 2,Hootons’party of noise, and so on.
The winner will be that party that has the best slogans(John Ansell), the party with the best technology(Kim Dotcom), and the party with a reasonable set of policy in keeping with the times, i.e. moving right and becoming more libertarian.

Should be a fun year.

Remember that 3 people in the last 60 years have changed the political landscape in NZ. Bob Jones, Richard Preeble and Roger Douglas.
All 3 challanged the staus quo to the betterment of NZ by creating libertarian parties.

Some more commentary here.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11182540
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January 12, 2014 9:11am
lilman

Yes saw this and it may be true but Maori wont let it be established because most of their grievances are based on collective guilt as opposed to actual factual basis.
We are continually told of the stealing and disenfranchisement of Iwi from their lands and this isnt debated but to accuse the state of not acting on its duties under the treaty is nothing short of a lie,at best a joke.
Why do not Taranaki Maori demand money and assets from Waikato Maori who slaughtered and ate and stole their entire culture.If they are being consistant all the monies the state have given Maori should be distributed to those who were murdered and stolen and eaten by their tribes of conquest.
On the evidence of conquest one only has to look at the Moriori who were decimated by Maori from the mainland,who have never given any money or apology to the affected tribes.
So in short,Maori will deny and demand ,its just the way it is.
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January 12, 2014 9:12am
Lucia Maria

Pete George,

The smacking law represents Government interference in the family that goes beyond what is necessary and proper, unless Government’s aim is to become more and more a parent to the nation’s children. It’s a matter of principle.

Also, the fact that one family was charged for smacking a child on the hand is grounds for John Key to reverse the legislation, which he said he would do if good parents were being prosecuted.

There are a number of lines in the sand that the NZ Government have crossed with regards to families – the smacking law is one of them.
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January 12, 2014 9:13am
freemark

Great to see FB campaigns down south supporting Oil/Gas Exploration. The hippies/watermelons/socialists have owned Social Media (& most MSM it seems)for the last few years with their incessant screeching anti everything. Real working taxpaying Kiwis have had enough.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pro-Oil-and-Gas-Otago/202345206637605 vs
https://www.facebook.com/events/1383186585265435/1387627964821297/?comment_id=1397731497144277&notif_t=like

There is also the event planned to oust Brown
https://www.facebook.com/events/630259507036725/?notif_t=plan_edited

Great stuff
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January 12, 2014 9:13am
Pete George

Hide’s column…

I thought the worst thing for Peters was getting dumped in 2008. No. The worst thing for Peters was getting back in 2011.

New MPs snigger at him. There was a time he would have swatted them down like flies.

I prefer to remember Peters as he was. He’s a salutary lesson.

John Banks’ attempted return to national politics could be another salutary lesson. He struggled from the start of the term. Obviously he hasn’t helped by the concerted attempts to trash him but he has struggled as much as Peters to revive old glories.
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January 12, 2014 9:16am
Nostalgia-NZ

‘Our continued economic success requires Act to succeed.’

Don’t like the sound of that flipper and don’t agree with it, an attempt to take credit for the Nat’s success with the economy and compares a strong and steady ship with (excuse the pun) a banana boat. Probably won’t happen, but I’d prefer to see the Nats govern alone to guarantee the economy – the small party hand outs can be fairly crippling. But as someone said on another thread recently, it gives the dominant ‘partner’ the chance to introduce less than popular legislation through the lesser coalition partner. MMP is a tough old road at times.
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January 12, 2014 9:21am
flipper

Nostalgia-NZ (4,298 comments) says:

January 12th, 2014 at 9:21 am

‘Our continued economic success requires Act to succeed.’
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‘morning Nos.

Simply quoting Rodney…

I also would prefer Nats alone, because that would at least ensure that the xyz Ministers that I work voluntarily to see elected would be accountable to NP members and the voting public. The MMP system provides a ready made “blame them” response, does it not?
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January 12, 2014 9:31am
Scott Chris

Meanwhile, a guy who was possibly just a little bit more significant is way down the page

Oh my. I thought Sharon was the fat criminal slug he was referring to. My bad.
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January 12, 2014 9:35am
Scott Chris

Who here would put significant weight on smacking policy in deciding their vote in this year’s election?

I doubt very much that Craig will get any concession on the smacking law. Key is a pragmatic manager and if something is working he won’t change it.
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January 12, 2014 9:41am
Nostalgia-NZ

Yes, that is right flipper. Just don’t like the image of a very minor party trying to take credit for the economy – it’s scare the horses stuff – there could be a looming mass of non voters from the last election woken this time round, minor parties could have the opposite affect to what Rodney seems to be predicting. At this point it seems the Nats dings and knocks are their own and manageable to the public mind. And frankly Labour Greens may look steadier to those ‘once were absent’ voters. However, you will know the nuances far better than me. Cheers.
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January 12, 2014 9:44am
dirty harry

geez you’re such a predicable bore Pete George…you always swim against the tide..is the parasite whore Dunne as predictable and as boring as your good self ?
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January 12, 2014 9:46am
kowtow

“A clip around the ear ” is what it would have been called in more sensible times.

Today it is termed a serious assault ( by wowsers like PG and the extreme left ,Bradford) and it merits a law change and parents going to court.

Cultural marxism wins again.
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January 12, 2014 9:48am
Scott Chris

geez you’re such a predicable bore

And you’re a predictable arsehole laj. And in the context of this blog you’re a criminal in bypassing the demerit rules with your name change.
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January 12, 2014 9:55am
dime

dirty harry – PG is doing the bidding of his master. they are on a mission to turn craig into a joke (wait for PG to say “hes done that himself”) blah

I follow shit head dung on twitter. hes always having a crack at the conservatives. calling them loons etc. to which i like to reply “at least hes not a disgraced minister” 😀

PG seems to be slipping though. over the last month or so hes been trying to coin phrases, stupid rhymes etc he ruined the “yeah nah” thing by just being himself.

im surprised in this thread i havent seen the words “when the law was introduced the sky didnt fall”. that seems to be a common one nowadays when any social law is introduced.
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January 12, 2014 10:12am
Chuck Bird

PG, Why did you not look John Boscawen’s bill before commenting? See paragraph 29. It covers smacks to the head or face.

http://www.justice.govt.nz/policy/constitutional-law-and-human-rights/human-rights/bill-of-rights/crimes-reasonable-parental-control-and-correction-amendment-bill
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January 12, 2014 10:14am
dirty harry

Get fucked scottchris you dirty homosexual. Ive had my 2 weeks ban and now Im allowed back. Its funny how you can get away with calling me 1) a cnut ( last post ) and today 2) an arsehole …maybe its because I dont go whining like a bitch to the big cheese. Go play on the road Mary.
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January 12, 2014 10:16am
Pauleastbay

People quibbling about whether Milne bowled at 153.6 or 149.8 kph last night at Eden Park.

Fact is he is genuinely quick and NZ needs a genuine fast bowler. When he gets some control and swing, which will come with experience,he will be value for money , I love watching quick’s.
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January 12, 2014 10:27am
flipper

Pauleastbay (4,929 comments) says:

January 12th, 2014 at 10:27 am

People quibbling about whether Milne bowled….

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Milne is quick, bloody quick. Anything above 146-7 is really quick, but the ability to burst to 150 and above is priceless.

Like most good FBs, his pace varies. That is a weapon. Pedants riding decimal points are on another planet.

I suspect that this fellow, if he holds together, will get quicker, and may really test other nations – and improve our own responses to the really quicks
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January 12, 2014 10:36am
Pauleastbay

Harry

I have it on good authority that Scott Chris’s personal hygiene is impeccable, I don’t agree with 99% of anything he writes but I believe he is very clean when he does

His sexuality has what to so with anything?
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January 12, 2014 10:39am
holysheet

Have the police charged anyone yet? if not, why not?
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January 12, 2014 10:42am
Reid

Colin Craig has made quite an astute move by picking up the anti-smacking issue. It remains a hot button in the electorate because of what Lucia says – it’s a matter of principle, a line in the sand that was crossed.

Of course dimwits who don’t understand politics think that it’s in the past and anyway it doesn’t matter because of the few prosecutions that have so far eventuated, but that’s never been the point of the 87% who object to it, because it’s a matter of principle.

I suspect the only reason Key hasn’t repelled it is because he doesn’t have any desire to pick a fight with the left and more importantly, with the media who control his popularity, since popularity is his main aim, bugger doing the right thing, that’s never been what he’s been about, for his entire term. It’s a highly emotive polarising issue and if you want to be popular you never pick up on those because of the emotional spillover it generates into other issues. that’s why he hasn’t done it.

But this is the very reason why Craig is astute in picking up on it, because it’s a differentiating point that will make people pay attention to his other policies and he only has to get 5/100 on his side, so he doesn’t care about the polarising effect but he does care about the emotive effect because that guarantees publicity, as he has got with Bradford’s hysteria http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9600491/Smacking-debate-back-in-the-limelight and that’s just the start.

But as usual dimwits who don’t understand politics don’t get this and instead focus on complete irrelevancies, like for example whether or not he’ll make it a bottom line in the eventual negotiations, which has never been why Craig raised it in the first place.
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January 12, 2014 10:44am
dirty harry

Paul

He’s such a whining handbag twirling mincer..he dishes out shite but wont accept it in return and then goes screaming to the boss like a girly blouse..which is probably what he’s doing right now…
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January 12, 2014 10:45am
flipper

Heh Nos….

I suspect that rather too much is being made of the DNVs.

I haven’t done any analysis of past elections, but there is always a sizeable no vote.
Getting that down is, I believe, harder than whistling in the wind. ” NO voters” need to be really motivated to get off their collective butt.
A good and booming economy will / may NOT motivate such folks because Governments get voted OUT, not IN.
A booming and improving economy does not motive apathetic folk to vote AGAINST the incumbents.

Well, that’s my view. DPF may be able to enlighten us. 🙂
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January 12, 2014 10:50am
Pete George

“A clip around the ear ” is what it would have been called in more sensible times.

Today it is termed a serious assault ( by wowsers like PG and the extreme left ,Bradford) and it merits a law change and parents going to court.

I didn’t term it a serious assault kowtow, I said it could be. That’s the problem with physical discipline, one kid’s clip around the ear can be another kid’s brain damage.

There can be a fine line between an inconsequential whack and potentially dangerous assault.

There can be a fine line between a parent in control appropriately limiting their physical punishment and losing it and bashing a kid.

If a parent establishes a habit of clipping around the ear they substantially increase the risk of escalating to assault if they lose their temper.

Even good parents turn bad tempered sometimes.
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January 12, 2014 10:50am
kowtow

PG

How many children have been murdered or seriously assaulted by their parents or “caregivers” since the Cultural Marxist bill that was promised (yeah right) to prevent same?
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January 12, 2014 10:56am
Manolo

If Colin Craig makes smacking his bottom line as he has indicated he may swing the election away from the centre right, which would be ironic as economically he’s more left.

The obedient minion is always spreading disinformation, sowing doubts, inciting disbelief. All to push his fantasist master’s cause.
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January 12, 2014 10:59am
Pete George

flipper – I have my suspicions on the DNVs as well. Many don’t vote simply because they never vote and it has nothing to do with them waiting for Labour to come along and entice them to vote. Or the Greens. And now Kim Dotcom.

In marketing it’s repeat business that rules. MacDonalds don’t try to convince people who never eat hamburgers or chips to buy, they brainwash those who like buying junk food, they try to entice Burger King and Subway buyers to switch to their brand, and particularly they encourage the already converted to return more often.

I’m sure some DNVs can be changed but it’s a hard market to win, especially as it is becoming a crowded market (of suitors).

For Labour the DNVs seem to be an excuse for losing so many voters last election. It can’t have been Labour’s policies or their leader (who was leading them then?), blame the DNVs.
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January 12, 2014 11:00am
Scott Chris

Actually laj/dirty harriet, unlike you I’m openly and exclusively heterosexual not that that really matters.

You got your ban for calling me a kiddy fiddler, which is as low as you can go in cyberspace.

Still, nosing around a cesspit seems to be your thing so no surprises there.
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January 12, 2014 11:05am
Pete George

Manolo, once again you’re making things up. Very ironic you defend Craig saying “obedient minion is always spreading disinformation, sowing doubts, inciting disbelief” – that is your modus operandi.

For the record – and you have seen this recently:

Mr Craig says his party will demand the so-called anti-smacking law be repealed, in return for its support in a coalition government.

“If we need to be part of a coalition to form a government, I think getting the anti-smacking thing changed is obvious, something a vast majority of New Zealanders want.”

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/128392281-colin-craig-thinks-conservatives-can-reach-double-digits

You’d better go back and ask Colin for another line of attack.

If Craig stirs up the smacking debate it is quite likely it will damage National’s chances in the election.
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January 12, 2014 11:06am
flipper

The arguments over what is a smack and what is assault is pathetic.

Let us face the fact that the law on this is now what Judges say it is. So far, to my knowledge, no one has taken DC Judges to higher courts. If not, that may eventually occur .

The question for those that say a smacked hand or bottom is assault is: What does one do to a nine (9) year old male, who in a fit of temper (over whether he could wear new school shoes now) picks up a baby stool, hurls it to the floor, breaks it, slams open a ranchslider with such force that the door jumped off its running rail, smashes two pot plants and then hides in the garden, delivering verbals.

I know what I threatened to do to him just two days ago – put him over my knee and wallop his backside. The only problem I had was that he was far to agile and quick for me to catch him. 🙂

Time out just doesn’t cut it .
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January 12, 2014 11:07am
Pete George

Smacking nine year olds just doesn’t cut it.

An inconsequential smack does nothing. So you lose the fight, or you escalate to “smacking” that is severe enough to inflict enough pain to try and win. And if that doesn’t work? How far do you take it?
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January 12, 2014 11:12am
Pete George

How many children have been murdered or seriously assaulted by their parents or “caregivers” since the Cultural Marxist bill that was promised (yeah right) to prevent same?

You tell me kowtow, if you want to make a point about it. Include how many prior to the bill for comparison, otherwise it’s meaningless.
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January 12, 2014 11:15am
Scott Chris

The only time my parents smacked me was when they had lost their temper.

Anger resulting in violence.

That’s why I support the anti-smacking bill.
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January 12, 2014 11:18am
publicwatchdog

Good moaning Kiwibloggers!

Seen this?

http://www.3news.co.nz/McCready-alleges-corruption-against-Len-Brown/tabid/1607/articleID/328072/Default.aspx

McCready alleges corruption against Len Brown
http://www.3news.co.nz

Wellington accountant Graham McCready has shown 3 News the criminal charges he plans to file against Len Brown next week.
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If the SFO choose not to re-evaluate the bribery and corruption complaint made by Lisa Prager and myself, then on Wednesday 15 January 2014, the above-mentioned documents will be filed in the Auckland District Court for a private prosecution.

FYI, a copy of this revised complaint to the SFO can be found on http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz, along with other supporting background information.

Cheers!

Penny Bright
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January 12, 2014 11:24am
Manolo

Have you paid your rates yet, corrupt Miss Dim?
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January 12, 2014 11:27am
dime

“The only time my parents smacked me was when they had lost their temper.

Anger resulting in violence.

That’s why I support the anti-smacking bill.”

so you remember back to when you were 18 months old? 12 months old? impressive!
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January 12, 2014 11:28am
Manolo

It happens to adults, too. What a surprise:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2537240/Children-watch-TV-damaged-brain-structures.html
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January 12, 2014 11:30am
flash2846

Good on you Scott Chris for sticking by your guns. I too had a particularly vicious mother but no law would have stopped her and would have probably made her worse.
I believe the so called anti smacking law was designed to take the focus away from the real vicious parents/caregivers.
The truth remains: Children being cared for by Maori are still being abused worse than any other group on the planet. There’s the problem
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January 12, 2014 11:32am
hj

Was listening to Tamiti Kruger and Chris Laidlaw this morning. My mind turned to Mike Butler and the NZCPR always asking for money. The political system should be funded out of taxes. The problem is groups capture and control through self-selection, mutual agreement etc. Eventually dissenting voices are stifled where it matters. 30 years ago no one knew what the internet was. Likewise we need a layer in government who are trained in critical thinking who can put a value on an idea to see that it gets a fair airing. The closest thing I can think of of a group without strings attached was the Savings Working Group who were summarily ignored by the 3 main parties and media (business oriented/ left oriented (RadioNZ). THe NZ Productivity Commission gets quoted as it’s terms of inquiry were required to be “broadly politically acceptable”. MMP FPP simply rearrange deck chairs.
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January 12, 2014 11:32am
publicwatchdog

Prepared to put your real name to your defamatory posts BOYolo?

Gosh – you’re such a whining gutless wonder………

(Meant of course in a caring way 🙂

Nope.

I have not and WILL NOT pay Auckland Council rates while the Public Records Act 2005 and Local Government Act 2002 are NOT being upheld and residents and ratepayers are NOT being told exactly where rates monies are being spent on private consultants and contractors.

(I’m still waiting for statements of support from the Tax Payers Union, in my stand for ‘open, transparent and democratically accountable’ local and central government. )

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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January 12, 2014 11:44am
wat dabney

The thieving Penny Bright is back.

Apparently not declaring gifts amounts to shocking corruption, but outright stealing of services that other people have paid for is just fine.
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January 12, 2014 11:49am
Reid

Since it’s Sunday, here’s a doco giving absolute proof from scientists there is an intelligent creator. Atheists often mindlessly state, incorrectly, that science opposes theology. Well here are scientists proving the exact opposite. If you want some of the hard numbers, go to 26:20 and start watching from there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZS1x-6al2pE
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January 12, 2014 11:53am
hj

Surely smacking is a matter of social intelligence. My mother smacked me once.
I was having a squabble with my sister and to get back at her I said (in front of my mother) “anyway we showed…“. She didn’t look at me (she turned her head away), smacked me firmly and went on with what she was doing. Never said a word. The message was clear.
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January 12, 2014 11:54am
wat dabney

Scott,

“The only time my parents smacked me was when they had lost their temper.”

Judging by all you posts about global warming perhaps they should also have smacked you for lying?
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January 12, 2014 11:54am
kowtow

No PG ,you tell us.

You’re the one who kicked it off this morning at 818.

You’ve provided the figure of 8 inconsequential prosecutions in the first 5 years .

We were told this culturally marxist bill would prevent the murder of so many children.That was one of the claims made to be the intent of the bill….

From the media we can all see the abuse of children at the hands of mongrels continues unabated……

The act therefore has been a failure in terms of the claims made by its proponents.But it has been a success in that cultural marxism has taken another advnce into the private lives of good parents here in Aotearoa ,formerly New Zealand. In this we must congratulate the Greens in their ongoing successes and deplore the failure of National to stand up for their stated principles.
It should be repealed.
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January 12, 2014 11:55am
wat dabney

Here’s a doco giving absolute proof from scientists there is a Tooth Fairy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZS1x-6al2pE
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January 12, 2014 11:55am
Reid

Here’s a doco giving absolute proof from scientists there is a Tooth Fairy

Says an atheist who can’t stand the fact his faith has been totally destroyed by the very people he naively placed his own faith in.

Give it up wat. Or alternatively make a coherent argument against the arguments raised in that vid. If you can…

The only one real scientists can raise is the pool of monkeys typing, a.k.a. the multiverse. An argument which the vid destroys.
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January 12, 2014 12:03pm
Jack5

A new bone to gnaw on…

Prostate cancer is a new “racism” stick with which Maori can beat the rest of NZ.

On Marae Investigates today, Tariana Turia weighed in to support accusations of “institutionalised racism” over prostate cancer in NZ men.

This detracted from a rather poignant report about a decent family guy trying to live with an advanced case of the disease.

Dr Nina Scott (a pale-skin lady, anyone know who she is?) quoted figures which indicated Maori men are less likely to be given PSA (blood tests for prostate cancer) checks than NZ’ers as a whole. There could, of course, be other reasons for this. For example, are Maori guys more reluctant or bashful about telling a GP they have pissing difficulty or peculiarities? Some non-Maori guys also have paid a high price for such bashfulness.

If Maori suffer higher rates of prostate cancer than NZ’ers on average, this may be genetic. Similarly, if they have a higher death rate from prostate this could also be genetic. There is a strong genetic factor in many if not most cases of prostate cancer, both in the actual occurrence and in the aggressiveness of the cancer.

For example, white guys in Northern Europe suffer more from it than southern Europeans.
Everyone knows that if your father or uncles have or had prostate you need to be watchful.

One interesting possibility is that the sun and vitamin D play an important role. Skin colour seems to have evolved largely to regulate safe creation of Vitamin D by sunlight. If white North Europeans and black North Americans are suffering a higher incidence of prostate it could well be that sun is an important factor. For example, the dark skins of African Americans may deny them enough Vitamin D compared with the amount their ancestors absorbed in less-temperate Africa.

If this theory proves to be correct, it is likely that both white skinned Southlanders suffer higher rates of prostate cancer than white-skinned Aucklanders, and also that brown skinned Maori will suffer higher rates than paler skinned New Zealanders. This is in addition to any inherited family predisposition, which affects both white and Maori families.

Regardless, it’s reprehensible that Turia should jump on the victimhood “racism” band waggon before causes are scientifically established.
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January 12, 2014 12:05pm
wat dabney

“Says an atheist who can’t stand the fact his faith has been totally destroyed by the very people he naively placed his own faith in. ”

Who destroyed your faith in the Tooth Fairy, Reid?
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January 12, 2014 12:07pm
grumpyoldhori

Now if Milne can learn to swing the ball at high speed he will end up a real handful to any batsman.
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January 12, 2014 12:11pm
kowtow

Jack5

For years we’ve been treated to the theme,by the media ,academics and other cultural marxists that Maoris (and PI’s)due to racism have an “institutionalised lack of access to health care and services”……..

…..someone then actually had a look at the claim and came up with the true answer……

…..couldn’t be arsed to turn up or to make an appointment, doesn’t make the same impact as a sound bite though.

Same goes for hospitalisation for rotten teeth in children,etc etc

And before I’m accused of racism ,note ,I’m not blaming Maoris. I’m pointing a finger at the Marxists who insist on blaming honkey for all ills in Aotearoa ,formerly New Zealand.
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January 12, 2014 12:13pm
Reid

Who destroyed your faith in the Tooth Fairy, Reid?

My mother. What has the tooth fairy to do with the question of God, wat? Other than a childish conflation to the argument which has the same import as a five year-old who holds their hands over their ears because they don’t want to hear what their parents are explaining to them?
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January 12, 2014 12:14pm
wat dabney

Reid,

Your mother was atheistic with regard to the Tooth Fairy?

Doesn’t that make her evil or something?
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January 12, 2014 12:25pm
OneTrack

pg – “There can be a fine line between an inconsequential whack and potentially dangerous assault.”

Yep, and thats what Section 59 was about. Overstep the mark and you were in trouble.
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January 12, 2014 1:00pm
OneTrack

“Children being cared for by Maori are still being abused worse than any other group on the planet. There’s the problem”

No, the problem is the anti-smacking law didn’t mention not putting children into tumble-dryers. Silly politicians – they should have thought of that one.
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January 12, 2014 1:05pm
OneTrack

“Regardless, it’s reprehensible that Turia should jump on the victimhood “racism” band waggon before causes are scientifically established.”

That’s all shes got – it’s always the visitors fault. Hmm – didn’t the Key government actually put millions into a initiative focussed on Maori health issues. Was it a waste of money?
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January 12, 2014 1:14pm
Pete George

Is the plot thickening? Dunedin councillor Jinty MacTavish has repeated her campaign to ban oil and gas from council.

Mayor Dave Cull has used very similar language:

Up to this point the policy has been that the treasury company can invest in a number of things including oil companies, there are probably a number of things, the parameters off the top of my head would not allow them to invest in, for example armaments or tobacco or whatever, but up to this point that’s been the policy.

The same comparison with armaments and tobacco. That seems to be more than a coincidence. And repeating “up to this point”.

How closely is Cull liaising with MacTavish on this? Mayor and councillor aligned on oil ethics.
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January 12, 2014 1:17pm
OneTrack

Pete – So Dave Cull is giving away the mayoral car then?
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January 12, 2014 1:23pm
publicwatchdog

I have DISPUTED and refused to pay rates because Auckland Council books are NOT open and residents and ratepayers are not being told EXACTLY where public monies are being spent.

So, those whining about my making a stand on principle that they are arguably too gutless to do, don’t support ‘open, transparent and democratically-accountable’ local and central government?

They certainly don’t support ‘transparency’ – or they’d put their names to their posts – as I do?

(Meant of course in a caring way 🙂

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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January 12, 2014 1:27pm
Keeping Stock

@ grumpyoldhori (12.11pm) – quite so grumpy; and with one Shane Bond being the bowling coach for the NZ team, there’s every chance that Milne will indeed learn that skill,and maybe do something like this:

http://youtu.be/OZz2rImpk1c
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January 12, 2014 1:30pm
Snarkle

Good on you Penny. Not only are you taking a stand on principle, it coincides point by point with your own financial self interest!
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January 12, 2014 1:36pm
kowtow

Not only the car…….they’re going to turn off all the heating too,bwahahahahahahaha

Tell ya what ,the main library in Dunners is so well heated that the staff can work there in t shirts in winter,no joke!

Gone are the cardies ,no need for them ,when the relatively poor rate payers of this declining city are paying through the nose.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/287819/dunedin-younger-poorer-more-educated-average
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January 12, 2014 1:36pm
RichardX

Reid (14,656 comments) says:
January 12th, 2014 at 11:53 am
Since it’s Sunday, here’s a doco giving absolute proof from scientists there is an intelligent creator. Atheists often mindlessly state, incorrectly, that science opposes theology. Well here are scientists proving the exact opposite. If you want some of the hard numbers, go to 26:20 and start watching from there.

Are you sure you linked to the correct vid?

As always Reid, You chose to believe what you chose to believe but nothing in that vid gives ‘absolute proof’ and I know that I cannot change your beliefs
Even the intro to the 26:20 segment you specifically mention, the intro states “which suggest that the universe actually may have a purpose and some physicists are now suggesting it does have a purpose”
Not exactly a definitive statement of absolute proof
Personally I do not agree the finely tuned universe argument is much good for either side but it is used by some as a proof for the non existence of god
As Richard Carrier states

“Similarly the “fine tuning” of the universe’s physical constants: that would be a great proof—if it wasn’t exactly the same thing we’d see if a god didn’t exist. If there is no god, we will only ever find ourselves in a universe finely tuned (in that case, by random chance), because without a god, there is no other kind of universe that can produce us. Likewise, a universe that produced us by chance would have to be enormously vast in size and enormously old, so as to have all the room to mix countless chemicals countless times in countless places so as to have any chance of accidentally kicking up something as complex as life. And that’s exactly the universe we see: one enormously vast in size and age. A godless universe would also only produce life rarely and sparingly, and that’s also what we see: by far most of the universe is lethal to life (being a deadly radiation filled vacuum) and by far most of the matter in the universe is lethal to life (constituting stars and black holes on which no life can ever live). Again, all exactly what we’d expect of a godless universe. Not what we’d expect of a god-made one.”
Thus, we have exactly the universe we’d expect to have if there is no god. Whereas a god does not need vast trillions of star systems and billions of years to make life. He doesn’t need vast quantities of lethal space and deadly matter. Only a godless universe needs that. I make a more detailed survey of this kind of evidence in “Neither Life Nor the Universe Appear Intelligently Designed” in John Loftus’s The End of Christianity. It also does no good to say such a random accidental universe is improbable, because the convenient existence of a marvelously “super-omni” god is just as improbable. Either way you are assuming some amazing luck. Which leaves the evidence. And the evidence is just way more probable if there’s no god. Thus, we’re forced to choose between which lucky accident it was, and the evidence confirms the one and not the other.”

The thing I find most dishonest is using Leonard Susskind while arguing that the finely tuned universe is “absolute proof” of an intelligent creator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDgzRIiQ4b8
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January 12, 2014 1:38pm
Reid

I’m afraid from that quote and also the video, Richard’s and Leonard’s contention on the vastness of the universe being the explanation of the production of the conditions supporting life, is totally destroyed by the video I posted Richard, since the video focuses on the laws of physics which apply all over the universe and which apply 100% to it no matter where in the universe you are. So Richard’s and Leonard’s argument (they are actually simple assertions, not an argument) make no sense at all, since the laws of physics are universal.

The fact he doesn’t get that suggests that both you and he have fundamentally misunderstood the (actual) argument in the video I posted. In which case I suggest you watch the video I posted again, it’s not rocket science, after all. Or perhaps you haven’t even watched it once, but you just desperately googled for something vaguely fitting what you imagined the video would be saying.

Sorry to destroy your hallucination, but that’s science for you, isn’t it. Pays to make sure you understand what the heck the argument actually is, before you attempt to critique it, lest one look quite the fool.
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January 12, 2014 1:51pm
Nostalgia-NZ

flipper 10.50. I agree about the DNVs, people with a dollar in their pockets and a clear sight of an improving future probably prefer to keep their feet up. But that lethargy is unpredictable and fertile ground for unexpected results. I wonder if 2013 may have been a better time for re-election because the financial future looked less bright. Personally, I’m for steady as she goes with the safe hands – but it’s a bit disconcerting that the sea will soon be awash with all sorts of dire predictions, sell offs and bogus claims such as credit to Act for National’s fairly impeccable financial management – perhaps credit to them for helping get the coalition over the line. Looking forward to see who will make the running and how, but no doubt there will a lot of mining of the DNVs either with promises or predictions of gloom due to any apathy by them.
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January 12, 2014 2:21pm
Manolo

The thieving Penny Bright is back.

And a shameless thief Miss Dim is.
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January 12, 2014 2:50pm
wat dabney

“Sorry to destroy your hallucination, but that’s science for you, isn’t it. ”

The ironing is delicious.
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January 12, 2014 3:14pm
Reid

The ironing is delicious.

Not at all, wat. The only argument scientists (like e.g. Hawking) have managed to come up to refute the science in that video is the multiverse theory which is the equivalent of the monkeys typing and producing, eventually, Shakespeare. And they came up with it because what the video raises, as Hawkings admits, is a real problem, unless you want to admit there really is an intelligent designer.

And since some scientists (and other assorted illogical thinkers) simply can’t bring themselves to admit that, they pretend that there’s a multiverse, despite there being absolutely no evidence for such, anymore than there is any evidence of real monkeys really typing and really producing Shakespeare. All they’re proving is that atheism is such a powerful religion they’re prepared to abandon the fundamental precepts of their profession in order not to accept what to them is an unpalatable and unacceptable conclusion, regardless of the facts.

And that’s the dilemma you atheists are faced with, that’s your only “scientific” solution to it, and yet, you call those of us who accept the irrefutable logic, illogical.

That’s what’s ironic, wat.
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January 12, 2014 3:30pm
calendar girl

Penny at 1:27pm – “So, those whining about my making a stand on principle that they are arguably too gutless to do, don’t support ‘open, transparent and democratically-accountable’ local and central government?”

If you want to make such a stand on “principle”, as you claim, I suggest that:
a) you demonstrate first your bone fides by paying your overdue and current Council rates in full; then
b) you undertake legal action in the Courts against Auckland Council, seeking reimbursement of such rates paid on the grounds that the Council is operating illegally.

That way everyone wins:
– Council receives rate payments to which most of us believe it is entitled at law;
– your fellow-citizens of Auckland cease incurring additional costs (including interest on Council debt) that result from non-payment of your rates; and
– everyone (including you) has the satisfaction of knowing that your “stand on principle” – relating to a point of law – has been resolved transparently in the Court system, the proper constitutional medium for determining such matters, rather than through a whim on your part that appears suspiciously beneficial to your own personal financial circumstances and cashflow.

Give it a go, Penny; it could become a conscience-cleansing and career-enhancing experience. If you succeed in the legal action you will recover your costs, and maybe your rates payments too. Most importantly, your success as an anti-establishment activist will be immortalised as you demonstrate the benefits of an ‘open, transparent and democratically-accountable’ Court system. Inevitably, widespread public acclaim and high political office will follow.
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January 12, 2014 3:31pm
kowtow

No one should be surprised by this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537886/BBCs-six-year-cover-secret-green-propaganda-training-executives.html
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January 12, 2014 3:31pm
wat dabney

Reid,

To spell it out for you, when someone who invokes magic and magical pixies to “explain” stuff then goes on to say “that’s science for you”, that’s irony.
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January 12, 2014 3:35pm
stigie

Penny, you dont pay your rates bill to the ACC….

Why not stop paying your electricity bill to your provider ? [maybe you already have !]
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January 12, 2014 3:44pm
cha

Of course it was a best seller.
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/01/mark-levin-dismisses-paytoplay-charge-180896.html
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January 12, 2014 3:46pm
Reid

wat,

To spell it out for you, when someone invents a multiverse to explain the fine tuning of the laws of physics which have been necessary to create the universe and life as we know it, when had it just been one tiny fraction different then the universe as we know it wouldn’t exist, and there is no evidence for a multiverse, then they are inventing something with no scientific basis to explain away an inconvenient phenomena that they otherwise can’t explain, and calling it science.

That’s irony.
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January 12, 2014 3:47pm
Sofia

Penny Bright
If you refuse to pay rates and are the attention of the Council authorities for that, you may possibly be considered to be taking a principled stance.
If however, your non-payment is unnoticed and without action impacting on you, you are just taking advantage of a situation you have created – that is: found you can get away without paying rates –and your morals are even less than those of Len Brown, who you so strongly criticise.

Confirm you are responsible for paying rates for 86a School Rd Kingsland, Auckland 1021, and post a copy of a rates demand, with arrears and penalties, on one of your websites and provide a link here, and people may believe you.
Since your usual screeds of words rate so highly on the krap-o-meter, you do need to provide actual evidence and the transparency you demand of others to have any credibility.

Inquiries indicate that what you claim may only be the ‘technical’ truth – somewhat similar to prevaricator John Banks.
Meant, of course, in the nicest way possible 🙂
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January 12, 2014 3:47pm
wat dabney

Reid,

No, that’s not irony. That’s the positing of a hypothesis which may or may not be correct but which will be objectively and dispassionately judged solely on the evidence, and which may indeed one day be discarded as incorrect. Unlike your infantile attachment to magical pixies.

That’s science for you.
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