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January 11, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Jimbob

Good morning everyone. Love is in the air, things are looking up.
I think this could be a great year.
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January 11, 2014 8:07am
peterwn

See:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9598443/Tolley-hits-back-on-inmate-flights

Anne Tolley, Corrections Minister is right out of order on this one and risks losing her party votes.

She is quite wrong to suggest that the public should remain ignorant about this practice and when it surfaced she did not have the gumption to face the media on this one. How would she feel if she had seat 1A, while a nasty crim and escorts had 1DEF?

OK here ‘political enemies’ were politically motivated in making a fuss about this, and unfortunately she swallowed the bait and reacted just the way they wanted.

Her best reaction would have been to ‘can’ the practice while relaxing the rule that prisoners re-classified ‘maximum security’ had to be relocated within 48 hours.

I became aware some years ago that minimum security prisoners were transported by air, having come across one and guard in Wellington Airport toilets, but I was unaware that maximum security prisoners were transported this way.
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January 11, 2014 8:14am
Pete George

Metiria Turei says that the oil industry is NOT WELCOME in Dunedin and gives them a two fingered salute, but she didn’t respond when I asked who she spoke for and pointed out there was a wide range of opinions.

In the meantime the ODT reports that Gareth Hughes (who probably flew down from Wellington) and eleven others launched a ”Anadarko – Wish You Weren’t Here’ campaign.

Turei says she is disgusted with the oil industry but from feedback I’ve seen disgust is not all one way.

Turei on offshore exploration
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January 11, 2014 8:15am
duggledog

Editorial in the Herald about the Hole In The Rock –

“The Hole in the Rock is obviously an unusual piece of public domain. The rock is owned by the Motu Kokako trust. Possibly it would be within its rights as landowner to bolt a barricade to the rock on each side. But what a sorry sight that would be – an insult to a beautiful place and a poor reflection on its owners.

Rather than seeking rent from the resource, they could be running tours themselves”

Easier to put their hands out. And also:

“When Fullers had the attraction to itself, it agreed to pay a portion of each fare to the trust. When competition arrived, Fullers made common cause with the trust and took a rival operator to court on a claim of trespass. The case failed, the High Court ruling that access to open sea could not be impeded under maritime law. Fullers then stopped paying the trust.

But it should never have started paying. It should have gone to the court, if need be, as soon as a charge was demanded. An important principle at stake. Under British law, property rights stop at the tide.”

I can’t wait for someone to charge me to look at Rangitoto Island from the sea.

Someone ask Maori if they want to be part of this country or not. Or should we all just pack up and leave.
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January 11, 2014 8:19am
Viking2

Turei would be all over the industry if there was a prospect of money in her lands.
Dumb bitch as usual.
Fortunately there is now a man drought officially so men hopefully will pick a better class of woman rather than fat baby breaders on benefits.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/love-sex/9598458/Man-drought-leaves-many-lacking-romance
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January 11, 2014 8:22am
igm

Hear the germ Gareth Hughes getting frontline attention by our left-wing indoctrinated media again this morning. About as good as the crap being spouted by the corrections union, trying to get a bit of help for their pathetic political masters. Why do NewstalkZB think we will swallow this shit? I hope advertisers do the same and run away.
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January 11, 2014 8:23am
RF

FFS.. Why is the Glove Puppet Hughes acting like a dickhead. The little prick clocks up carbon footprints just to apply the NIMBY rules to overseas oil exploration.

For gods sake he is a MP who slithered into parliament because he appealed to juvenile voters by wearing a clown outfit when he was locked up. Another toxic green.
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January 11, 2014 8:29am
duggledog

RNZ news leads with the revelation Dunedin City Council has shares in an oil drilling company. And?

If I was sat next to a max sec prisoner on an Air NZ flight I would ASK FOR MY F***ING MONEY BACK
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January 11, 2014 8:32am
kowtow

500 less jihadis can’t be a bad thing.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/01/500-killed-syria-rebel-infighting-201411013826596225.html
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January 11, 2014 8:38am
kowtow

Our media and energy comanpies…….

Last night TVNZ treated us to a screaming tattooed harridan objecting to some Canadian company increasing our GDP in New Plymouth.

The way TVNZ had it you’d swear there was a lot of support for said screecher…….

……examining the protesters, and there weren’t that many,most looked like old hippies, you’d really have to wonder what TVNZ’s agenda was for running the story at all?

In the past that would have been a good news story ie “Canada investment to boost economy” or some such……now it’s just Green propaganda.
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January 11, 2014 8:44am
igm

kowtow: It appears media unions, puppets of failed New Plymouth aspirant Little, will do and say anything, attempting to gain traction for their party of misfits and deviants.
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January 11, 2014 8:47am
Longknives

Duggledog- Re the ‘Hole in the Rock’ the greedy Maori are talking about a blockade so that the legitimate tour operators can’t get through…
Can you imagine them out there bobbing around in their leaky tinnies waving their Mana Party and Maori Sovereignty flags about?
Oh for a Perfect Storm to hit….
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January 11, 2014 8:47am
Pauleastbay

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/01/10/thomas_garrett_s_proposed_teen_oral_sex_ban_cuccinelli_conservative_attempts.html

These clowns are on public money. Up against the wall with politicians, we might loose the odd decent one but their sacrifice is worth it.
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January 11, 2014 8:48am
mara

I see that David Bain said “I do” yesterday. I would prefer that he had said “I DID.”
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January 11, 2014 8:49am
Pauleastbay

If I was sat next to a max sec prisoner on an Air NZ flight I would ASK FOR MY F***ING MONEY BACK

Duggledog
Hysteria alert, The Minister is correct this has happened for all time and is electioneering by the union.

You probably have sat next to one but you wont know as the airlines will not allow handcuffed prisoners to fly for safety reasons.
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January 11, 2014 8:50am
Pauleastbay

Kowtow

Its election year, the unions have started feeding the media already and it will only get worse as the year progresses. I have come to the conclusion that a lot of the reporters aren’t so much biased but just fucking lazy and rely soly on press releases which they swallow ;left and right

The story about prisoners flying is a classic, at least the Minister has spoken up and it plainly shows it is nothing but shit stirring and at least the writer got off their arse and contacted her.

I hope the Government doesn’t muck around and that every time there is an untruth or exaggeration in the media they are ready to rebutt it
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January 11, 2014 8:56am
Manolo

For the Messiah-lovers: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/01/08/study-racism-may-accelerate-aging-in-african-american-men/
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January 11, 2014 8:59am
hj

The Intersection of Evolutionary Principles, Human Behavior and Environmental Sustainability

We are one with the wheua……. Calls bullshit to that. While indigenous people did plan for a few years ahead, mans relationship with the wheua has always been short term and economic.

http://evostudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Johnson_Vol3Iss2.pdf

Says when applied to the commons libertarianism (Tea Party) destroys it.

(…. Look, I’m sorry Chaps…) 🙁
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January 11, 2014 9:02am
calendar girl

A sad death of a cyclist occurred this week on the streets of Parnell in Auckland. While exact details have yet to be established or confirmed, media accounts imply that the truck driver involved bore no responsibility, and that the cyclist may have run a red light. Cycling lobby group Cycle Action Auckland uses the tragedy to demand more work and money on the city’s cycle-ways: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11183890 .

Would be too optimistic for us to expect to see Cycle Action Auckland in the media more frequently, perhaps balancing its push for more cycle-way funding with calls to the cycling community to observe traffic rules that apply to all road users?
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January 11, 2014 9:06am
flipper

peterwn (2,676 comments) says:

January 11th, 2014 at 8:14 am

See:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9598443/Tolley-hits-back-on-inmate-flights

Anne Tolley, Corrections Minister
******
and
Duggles ….
****

Let’s be clear about all this:

1. It (air transport of inmates) dates back 20+ years….. and this is an industrial, as opposed to public safety, argument.
2. There are no animals known as “prison guards”, just “prison or Corrections officers.
3. Some max sec inmates are real arseholes.
4. Some are classified as “max sec”: due to quirks in the security rating assessment check list, AND PRESENT NO danger to the travelling public.
5. Really seriously dangerous max sec inmates are kept under max security in several prisons, but transferred to Paremoremo to serve all, or the initial part if time limited, sentences
6. Dangerous max security inmates are never sent by domestic airlines.
7. Some POs are arseholes, but 95% are not – notwithstanding the fact that the majority are uneducated, and rely on their union to think for them
8. The use of airlines has resulted in a decrease in road transfers- with a consequential loss of overtime and other special allowances for some union members.
9. Airlines are cheaper than prison officer-manned buses and over night stops.
10. The union has no regard of a need to constrain the expenditure of taxpayer money.
11 Tolley is silly to rely upon Ray Smith, a failed former WINZ executive, and his UK Corrections PO policy imports.
12. The storm will subside, transport by air will continue, but the union may win the industrial argument in other ways.
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January 11, 2014 9:07am
OneTrack

calendar girl – The cyclists aren’t licensed, arent registered and dont think the rules apply to them.
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January 11, 2014 9:09am
marcw

The trouble with Anne Tolley being in denial mode is that now some maximum security prisoner with a chip on their shoulder (ie. all of them) will now create some sort of fuss or security problem publicly while being transported on a flight. It’s like there’s an invitation to cause embarrasment – and no one to blame but Anne Tolley. Free advice – a ‘No comment’ and suspension of all public transport until after the election would have been the correct response.
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January 11, 2014 9:20am
Yogibear

Calendar Girl

Couldn’t agree more – the sandal wearers at cycling action do not represent the vast majority of people who cycle, most of whom are very happy with the roads as they are. While the incident is terrible, and there is a need for a safer route to connect Symonds Street to the waterfront – the cyclist following the road rules would have prevented this tragedy.

OneTrack – as distinct from a large number of motorists who are registered, and licensed and don’t think the rules apply to them (reference the outcry about Police dropping the tolerance to 5km/ hour over the speed LIMIT)
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January 11, 2014 9:36am
Reid

Celebrities, businesses and even the US State Department have bought bogus Facebook likes, Twitter followers or YouTube viewers from offshore “click farms” where workers tap, tap, tap the thumbs up button, view videos or retweet comments to inflate social media numbers.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11184438

The greatest fear in the world is of the opinions of others, and the moment you are unafraid of the crowd, you are no longer a sheep, you become a lion. A great roar arises in your heart, the roar of freedom. ~ Osho

Another astute observation on life I quite like is this:

An old Cherokee told his grandson:

“My son, there is a battle between two wolves inside us all.

One is Evil. It is anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, inferiority, lies and ego. The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy and truth.”

The boy thought about it, and asked: “Grandfather, which wolf wins?”

The old man quietly replied: “The one you feed.”

I think about that one a lot lately, particularly when I see people praising movies like The Wolf of Wall Street.
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January 11, 2014 9:40am
lilman

I saw that stupid bitch screaming at TAG oil on the news as well and can only say who in their right mind would march behind a mole like that and let her carry on without telling her to piss off.
TAG have been here for many years now and are and have always been responsible and careful to ensure any and all activities are done within the laws and restrictions that they have had to work within.
I have a family member who works for TAG and know ,without doubt ,just how seriously this company takes its workplace commitments.

So get a job you ugly,stupid,lazy,screeching harpy and let Taranaki get on with the job of being the best province in the country.
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January 11, 2014 9:43am
peterwn

Corrections could save even more money by using Jetstar. I suppose the Corrections Union will want Koru Club membership for escort officers – but wait – the prisoner would need to be there as their guest.
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January 11, 2014 9:44am
Colville

Bain tweets stolen from WO 🙂

They are turning the David Bain story into a movie. 4 Funerals & A Wedding.

David Bain has a new closest relative? Oh, I’m sure this will end well.

David Bain’s Bucks night reportedly ended with a round of shots for everyone.

Congratulations to David Bain! Love her and cherish her; just don’t treat her like family..
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January 11, 2014 10:01am
Pauleastbay

marcw

Or will I call you Chamberlain, what the fuck are?

You do not appease to fucking unions, we had this for years in the country and cloth cap wearing pommy/irish/scots wankers and their wet brain acolytes held the place to ransom

The Minister is not in denial she is clarifying untruths by a self interested bunch of nobs with a combined IQ of 64 .

Wait until after the election – what a tool, I hope your missus leaves the toilet seat down for you
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January 11, 2014 10:06am
Reid

You wonder if ChCh should look at this:

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/3d-printer-builds-house-in-24-hours-2014-1#ixzz2puyal224
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January 11, 2014 10:15am
Yogibear

I don’t see what the fuss is with max security prisoners on flights

I’d rather sit next to one of them than Charles Chauvel.
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January 11, 2014 10:30am
Fletch

More evidence of the peoples that were here in New Zealand before the Maori.
Maori historically referred to them as the Waitaha, Turehu and Patupaiarehe.

One of the peoples was a fair skinned, green eyed, red headed people.
The magazine eLocal has been running a series on this. In their latest issue they interview Monica Matamua, a fair-haired, clear eyed “Maori” woman who is obviously descended from tribes that are not Maori. She speaks another language that is not Maori and is slowly dying out. The magazine arranged for a DNA test for her, the results of which (that “shocked” her) will be revealed in the next issue.

Changing Our New Zealand History
Tears run from her translucent eyes as Monica Matamua learns the news that may change the path for her tribe and answer questions that have been haunting her whanau for generations.

Eyes are the windows to the soul and for 72-year-old Monica, her eyes tell a story better than any words can. Those hazel eyes speak of a tribe of people, steeped in history and entwined throughout the years of Maori folklore, yet until now, fobbed off as eccentrics, strangers and in some cases, ‘mystical beings’.

The Patupaiarehe people (and the Urukehu) are well known for their light skin, fair hair and translucent eyes, which is evident when looking at Monica, who has been bullied and teased for years because of the way she looks. “I always knew I was different, but it has been a long and difficult fight to tell my story.”

A grandmother of 62 children and great grandmother of two, the beauty that emanates from this sweet and gentle woman belies a life of abuse from school friends, ignorance from other tribes and constant struggles with the Treaty of Waitangi land claim department.

Unlike many Maori people, Monica believes that her tribe came from a different lineage, one which travelled from overseas and brought new and interesting skills to New Zealand. Mostly, she believes that these people did not find New Zealand by mistake, in fact they mapped their way to the country.

Along with the special connection her people have with their land, Monica also speaks of a language which is almost extinct and is nothing like the Maori language that is taught in schools and originates from Nga Puhi.
“There are only two people in our tribe that can speak our language now and it is nothing like Maori, in fact it is nothing like a language I have ever heard before.”

Monica ascertains that the Ngati Hotu tribe spans back 74 generations (40 generations longer than the descendants of Kupe) and she believes her people come from a different background to other tribes. This is evidenced by the different skin tone, hair and eye colour of her ancestors. “We have red hair and fair skin. I have felt different to my friends because of the way I look all my life.”

Until recently Monica only had her family history to fall back on, history that had been handed down from parent to child for 74 generations. However, she now believes that thanks to modern day technology, her family might finally have the answer they have dreamt of for so long.

The stories that Monica has shared with her family sometimes fell on deaf ears, but it wasn’t until she participated in the National Geographic DNA Ancestry Project that she began to get answers to her questions.

In the DNA project, citizens worldwide are given the opportunity to find out more about their ancestors using genetic genealogy. It asks the question, how did your family end up in the country you live in?

The results of Monica’s DNA test are back and they have life-changing findings that have rocked both Monica’s life and, she believes, will change the general consensus regarding the existence of the Ngati Hotu tribe and their many generations of association with New Zealand and the land that is so dear to them.
In the next edition, we find out Monica’s DNA results.

http://www.elocal.co.nz/View_Article~Id~1076~title~DNA_to_Rock_the_nation_Part_1.html

Worth reading the whole article. Includes photos of Monica.
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January 11, 2014 11:10am
Paulus

I remember over 30 years ago being on an AirNZ aircraft with two handcuffed prisoners going from Wellington to Auckland.
Didn’t know whether they were handcuffed on flight as there were two Officers with each of them in a three seat configuration.

Been done for years – Union shit again – move on.
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January 11, 2014 11:15am
Fletch

In an interview with eLocal, Ngapuhi Chief David Rankin also believes that people were here before the Maori (his ancestor Kupe).

elocal: “You recently voiced support for historians who claim that New Zealand was settled much earlier than commonly accepted. Are you merely supporting free speech and political incorrectness, or do you genuinely believe that there were other civilizations here in NZ before the arrival of Kupe circa 1250AD?”

DR: “Let me just start off and say this, Maori are not the indigenous people of Aotearoa New Zealand. There were many other races already living here long before Kupe arrived. I am his direct descendant and I know from our oral history passed down 44 generations. I believe this needs to be investigated further because every Maori community talks about Waitaha, Turehu and Patupaiarehe. This goes hand-in-hand with the other research. As Maori, we have come to a time of maturity where we need to debate these issues. I want to get to a genuine consensus about this issue, although I think academics want it to disappear. If we start talking about it and investigating it, it’s an exciting opportunity to explore. My ancestors like Kupe came to the Hokianga in search of other people. In the Waima ranges, there was a pipi shelter on the mountains, and the kuia used to talk about the fair skinned people up there. A lot of people identify as Paniora (translated as Spaniard), indicating that the Portuguese and Spanish washed up on ancient ships in Northland. In 2002, I went to the Austronesian Leaders Conference in Taiwan and we discussed similarities with Taiwanese Aborigines. We traced our origins and the Maori and Polynesian connection to China. All the leaders such as myself and Matiu Rei, Aborigines, Solomon islanders, Rapa Nui and Hawaiians were all interested in early settlement theories. There is a lot of writing about the whole ancestral link. Really, Maori didn’t navigate here, we came on a tidal drift. Te Tai Tokerau is actually the tidal drift from the Tokelau islands. When my ancestors arrived at the shores of Aotearoa, there were people here to greet them. The question is: who are those people? It goes hand-in- hand with our oral history. There are questions written by Ian Wishart, Noel Hilliam and others that need to be answered.”

elocal: “What do you think the ramifications would be if Maori appeared not to be the indigenous people of New Zealand?”
DR: “That would put all our treaty claims in question and our indigenous rights at the UN. It would open up a whole can of worms. I do believe if we start approaching it the right way other Maori would be keen to discuss it. I think there has been a rot been allowed to set in to Maoridom since the Lange government took power in the early 1980’s. In many ways, all the changes that have taken place have taken the basic responsibility away, their mana, from being true Maori, like working for a living, educating themselves and their families, leading strong lives and observing the laws of the land. If you are able to work then work! Help your fellow Maori and Pakehas be successful in life. Being Maori and, let’s face it, you only need to be 32% by government standards, does not mean you need to take the easy way out and have your hand out. I have never taken anything from the government, I am self made, strong and I say stop the funding. Maori need to return to the warriors they once were. It may be hard at first but intergenerational beneficiaries are embarrassing to my culture.”

http://www.elocal.co.nz/view_Article~id~818%20%20%20%20%20%20%20.html

Again, worth reading the whole thing.
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January 11, 2014 11:15am
Yogibear

Maybe Kiwirail could increase its profitability by fitting out a couple of freight containers into prison cells (its already been done at Rimutaka) and transport the crims on the overnight freight services. The inland rail port at Wiri is only 500m away from the new prison, and Porirua rail station is closer to Rimutaka than the airport is.

(note – this posting started out as a pisstake but the more I think about it I wonder why it can’t be done. Must surely be cheaper and safer and if the crims are already in cells you could transport more with fewer escorts)
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January 11, 2014 11:26am
Fletch

While the media talks about the Christie “scandal”, more forgotten U.S history.

How Clinton advisor Michael Whouley had roads closed off in 2000 to help his client Al Gore win the 2000 New Hampshire primary against Bill Bradley. The Gore motorcade went into Bradley territory and jammed up the roads, stopping Bradley voters getting to vote.

Gore campaign manager Bob Shrum wrote in his memoirs about Whouley’s last-minute gambit to use the Gore motorcade to suppress the vote on primary day, as Slate’s David Weigel noted on Wednesday.

“Michael Whouley came up with a last-ditch scheme: Send Gore into areas of southern New Hampshire where there was a lot of Bradley support among upscale voters and commuters who worked across the border in Massachusetts. Many of them cast their ballots late in the day after driving home. Gore’s motorcade — candidate, press, Secret Service, and police — could snarl traffic and keep some of the commuters from ever getting to their polling places or even trying to,” Shrum wrote.

Gore was “irate” at the “massive traffic jam” but then “Gore got the point” after Whouley explained that “they’re mostly Bradley voters.”

Whouley was one of three close officials from the strategy firm the Dewey Square Group who met with Clinton at her Embassy Row house in early summer 2013 to discuss plans for an upcoming presidential effort. Whouley also managed Clinton’s victorious 2008 primary campaign field operation in New Hampshire, eight years after pulling off Gore’s traffic jam in the state.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/10/hillary-clinton-adviser-started-an-election-day-traffic-jam-in-2000/
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January 11, 2014 11:37am
Scott Chris

“My son, there is a battle between two wolves inside us all.

One is Evil. It is anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, inferiority, lies and ego. The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy and truth.”

The animal part of you isn’t necessarily bad and the rational part of you isn’t necessarily good.

The most important thing is to understand yourself imo.
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January 11, 2014 11:54am
Scott Chris

particularly when I see people praising movies like The Wolf of Wall Street

Depends which aspect of the movie they are praising.
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January 11, 2014 11:57am
Scott Chris

Anne Tolley, Corrections Minister is right out of order on this one

I agree to the extent that Tolley thinks the public should be kept in the dark over things that may alarm them, less so the actual transportation of the prisoners per se.
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January 11, 2014 12:06pm
bereal

The silly liberal theory known as ‘Multiculturalism’ will reach its natural conclusion
in England.
When muslims are the majority they will end it. Stone dead. And its just a question of when.

http://news.yahoo.com/one-10-babies-england-now-muslims-census-154908573.html

Sharia law, theocracy, how will the silly, silly Poms like that.

Still, that could never happen here, or could it ?
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January 11, 2014 12:07pm
Manolo

Still, that could never happen here, or could it?

It could. NZ must be concerned about the followers of the vile religion of peace, who tried to impose their savage “laws” wherever country they emigrate to.
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January 11, 2014 12:11pm
Reid

The animal part of you isn’t necessarily bad and the rational part of you isn’t necessarily good.

You ignored the most critical part of that Scott – the wolf that wins is the one you feed. It was discussing one’s subconscious emotional drivers, which are influenced by the thoughts you focus on. That’s what it means by “feeding.” And if you’re not conscious of the one you’re feeding you’re likely to end up feeding the evil one.

For example, if you cast your eye around humanity, you can see that ego a.k.a. pride is one of the most rampant negative emotions on the planet. It’s visible everywhere you look, it’s visible in your friends, in your work colleagues, in your family and in people you don’t even know like politicians and people on telly. This is because people conflate pride with security, it’s part of their armour, part of the face they put on when they go to work, talk to strangers, etc. It says to them: you can’t hurt me. I’m capable. I know what I’m doing. Most people have never even thought about it. As I said, it’s a subsconscious driver. But when you know what you’re looking for, you can see it everywhere. Sometimes it’s obvious, like in Len Brown, or in a manager who’s a bully. Most of the time it’s much more subtle. But it’s almost always there. It comes from fear. And guess what. One of people’s biggest fears is public humiliation. That’s why I put both those quotes together in my 9:40.
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January 11, 2014 12:14pm
igm

Manolo: Geoffrey Palmer’s Bill of Rights gives ragheads carte blanche to impose whatever they like on us already. Can you go to court wearing s crash helmet, enter a bank, even a service station . . . yet these goons can cover their faces, doing it with impunity, if we complain, we get tagged racists. Think carefully before you vote, Palmer may be a failed socialist, but he still commands a lot of power within the party of deviants and leeches.
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January 11, 2014 12:27pm
stephieboy

I’m offended by Islam. Pat Condell,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxlO7DLC6p8
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January 11, 2014 12:50pm
Rowan

Colville

Small things amuse small minds like you, whale and the rest of the JFRB scum.
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January 11, 2014 2:00pm
lilman

Good video Stephieboy,saw these pricks working first hand in Bosnia back in the 90s and can only say this,a bunch of assholes the lot of them.

At some stage the west will have to deal with them once and for all because they are a religious group who will kill you ,your wife,kids,animals and even sacrifice their own family to oppress both you and you freedoms.

But hey,it’s not like it will be a problem in New Zealand right?
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January 11, 2014 2:02pm
Colville

Rowan.
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
Maybe now Bain is married he wont be asking you for a reach around anymore huh??
Na, those prison habits die hard eh?
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January 11, 2014 2:03pm
hj

David Rankin

elocal: “What message do you want to get out to the 200,000 Auckland people reading this?”
DR: “We have to recondition our mindset and think about the changes that are going on in our country. I think as Maori and Pakeha we have to start looking at our relationship because we are living in a multicultural society. The rights of Maori and Pakeha are becoming less because the new immigrants coming into our country have exactly the same rights as people who have paid taxes for generations. We have to work closely with our treaty partners and embrace each other for a strong future, after all it’s the people who make the country not the other way around.”

elocal: “Does NZ need a new constitution?”
DR: “Does the Treaty even work? The Treaty is like a marriage licence to say that two partners will behave themselves… I think [a new constitution] is just a waste of money, we have to start focusing on what is best for this country because we’re living in austere, changing times and in ten years the face of NZ will be entirely different and we will be following the rules of a new master. We can’t compete. We have lived through the best times of this country and we have to be prepared for not very good times in the future.”

elocal: “Who is the new master?”
DR: “We’re seeing the demise of the West and the rise of the East and you just can’t compete against the numbers, and people that train their children from the age of four. We’ve become a lax society while the new masters go to work seven days a week. These are the new masters of the world, focused on business opportunities and making money. Look at America; look at Europe – they are falling over, and our lifestyle is going to change. It frightens me that if you don’t work hard, save your money and buy property and assets we will live in a new society of very rich and very poor. Everything we’ve grown up with that matters to us – free education, free hospitals – they’re not going to be there, because we can’t compete.”

Thanks Locke, Clarke, Spoonley et al
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January 11, 2014 2:30pm
Rowan

Get screwed Colville

You and all the other idiots are wrong about Bain.
Get over it.
Maybe try becoming a comedian, you’ll need some practise though, your/whales lines are currently just lame and pathetic
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January 11, 2014 2:30pm
stephieboy

Sigh…
When is the Court of Appeal hearing of the failed High Court Judicial Review.?
What happened to the secrecy behind the wedding.??
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January 11, 2014 3:25pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Sigh.

The High Court Hearing hasn’t taken place. Perhaps you getting confused about the colours black and white, you know… where you argue black is white and that isn’t a lie but rather an ‘easier’ way to understand it. Try some fish oil capsules it may help with your memory.

I suppose your sigh really was your longing for a wedding, but keep your chin up wall flowers may yet become popular.
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January 11, 2014 3:54pm
Manolo

France’s Len: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/10/us-france-hollande-idUSBREA0908G20140110

French President Francois Hollande threatened on Friday to sue celebrity magazine Closer, complaining of breach of privacy after it alleged he was having an affair with actress Julie Gayet.
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January 11, 2014 5:00pm
Grendel

Re Bain wedding, i heard on the radio that it was a small private wedding attended by friends and family. my first thought was i did not think he would have any family left…
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January 11, 2014 5:45pm
nasska

Wait until the new wife gets a quote for life insurance. 🙂
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January 11, 2014 6:41pm
peterwn

Yogibear – WW2 POW’s were transported by cattle wagons on the German railways – and they had committed no crimes. But then Kiwirail ditched its cattle wagons years ago, so that is no use.

The Russians had a horse drawn paddy wagon to take prisoners from Moscow to Siberia. The door was locked with a key kept in Moscow and unlocked with a different key kept at the Siberian jail. Journey took two weeks.
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January 11, 2014 7:21pm
nasska

An Irish woman “of a certain age”, visited her
physician to ask his help in reviving her husband’s
poor sex drive.

“What about trying Viagra?”, asks the doctor.

Oh, no, doctor, I couldn’t do dat,” she said. “He won’t
even take an aspirin.”

“Not a problem,” replied the doctor. “Drop it into his
coffee. He won’t even taste it. Give it a try and call
me in a week to let me know how things went.”

“It wasn’t a week later, that she called the doctor,
who directly inquired as to progress.

The poor dear exclaimed, “Oh Jaysus, Mary and Joseph,
doctor, twas horrid. Just tarrible.”

“Really? What happened?” asked the doctor.

“Well, I did like you said and slipped it into his coffee.
De effect was almost immediate. He jumped hisself straight
up, with a twinkle in his eye, and with his pants a-bulging
something fierce!

With one swoop of his arm he sent the cups and donuts flying,
ripped me clothes to tatters an then, lard tunder and Jaysus,
didn’t he take me right then and there, making wild, mad,
passionate love to me right on the tabletop!
It was a nightmare, I tell you!”

Why so terrible?”, asked the doctor. “Do you mean the
sex was not good?”
”
No, no, no, Doctor. The sex was fine. Indeed, ’twas the
best sex I had in 25 years. But, oh me son, I’ll never
be able to show me face in the Shamrock Cafe ever again!”
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January 11, 2014 8:00pm
Johnboy

Joe was best man and Judith was the beautiful little flowergirl….Sigh ! 🙂
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January 11, 2014 8:28pm
Johnboy

Where is Judith by the way? 🙂
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January 11, 2014 8:36pm
Johnboy

In fact where the fuck is reality???? 🙂
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January 11, 2014 8:37pm
nasska

Bain’s admirers didn’t have a very good year 2013 JB. Their boy seems long odds to become a millionaire at our expense & they are reduced to the legal reasoning equivalent of comparing toenail clippings.

Bain & climate alarmists are passée. 🙂
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January 11, 2014 8:43pm
Johnboy

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/06/us/winter-weather/

Shocking stuff for warmist folks! 🙂
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January 11, 2014 8:46pm
Johnboy

Polar Bears and Penguins need to be kept inside to protect them from the cold….Fuck I hate this Global Warming! 🙂
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January 11, 2014 8:48pm
Johnboy

Folk with overbite like Bain never get to be millionaires nasska…..look up the stat’s ! 🙂
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January 11, 2014 8:51pm
nasska

The stats aren’t that crash hot for great wealth amassing around anyone who’d wear the jerseys his mother knitted for him either JB. 🙂
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January 11, 2014 8:54pm
Johnboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zzAryAy-Qs

I can see why Liz took a liking to him. 🙂
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January 11, 2014 9:00pm
nasska

A chin would just get in the way JB. 🙂
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January 11, 2014 9:04pm
Johnboy

It only seems to be us nasska since Dennis crashed his plane and Yvette retired. I’m getting a tad bored with it all really! 🙂
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January 11, 2014 9:07pm
Viking2

An Australian electrician (Royalty of all Trades) dies in a car accident
on his 40th birthday and finds himself at the Pearly Gates. A brass
band is playing, the angels are singing a beautiful hymn, there is a
huge crowd cheering and shouting his name, and absolutely everyone
wants to shake his hand.

Just when he thinks things can’t possibly get any better, Saint Peter
himself runs over, apologizes for not greeting him personally at the
Pearly Gates, shakes his hand, and says, “Congratulations son, we’ve
been waiting a long time for you.”

“Totally confused and a little embarrassed, the electrician sheepishly
looks at Saint Peter and says “Saint Peter, I tried to lead a
God-fearing life, I loved my family, I tried to obey the 10
commandments, but congratulations for what? I honestly don’t remember
doing anything really special when I was alive. Is it because I’m an
electrician – the Royalty of all Trades??”
“Congratulations for what?” says Saint Peter, totally amazed at the
man’s modesty.

“We’re celebrating the fact that you lived to be 160 years old! God
himself wants to see you!”

The electrician is awestruck and can only look at Saint Peter with his
mouth wide open. When he regains his power of speech, he looks up at
Saint Peter and says “Saint Peter, I lived my life in the eternal hope
that when I died I would be judged by God and be found to be worthy,
but I only lived to be forty.”
“That’s simply impossible son,” says Saint Peter, “We’ve added up your
time sheets.”
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January 11, 2014 9:15pm
Johnboy

He fixed a VSD on my Rewinder last week V2! 🙂
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January 11, 2014 9:18pm
Viking2

A BMW bike rider called Dave, walked into a chemist shop in Southport, and asked to talk to a male pharmacist.
The middle aged attractive woman he was talking to said that she was the only pharmacist and that as she and her twin sister owned the store, there were no males employed there.
She then asked if she could help him. The biker said that it was something that he would be much more comfortable discussing with a male pharmacist.
The female pharmacist assured him that she was completely professional, and whatever it was that he needed to discuss, he could be confident that she would treat him with the highest level of professionalism.
The biker then agreed and began by saying,
“This is tough for me to discuss, but I have a …….permanent erection.
It causes me a lot of problems, and severe embarrassment, and I was wondering what you could give me for it.”
The pharmacist said, “Just a minute, I’ll talk to my sister.”
When she returned, she said, “We discussed it at length, and the absolute best we can do is:

1/3 ownership in the shop ….
A company car …
Five home cooked dinners a week ……
And £3,000 a month in living expenses.!!!”
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January 11, 2014 9:26pm
Viking2

Women’s Seminar……………………
A group of women were at a seminar on how to live in a loving relationship with your husband.

The women were asked, “How many of you love your husband?”

All the women raised their hands.

Then they were asked, “When was the last time you told your husband you loved him?”

Some women answered today, a few yesterday, and some couldn’t remember.

The women were then told to take out their cell phones and text their husband: “I love you, sweetheart.”

The women were then told to exchange phones with another person, and to read aloud the text message that they received, in response…

Here are some of the replies:

1. Who the hell is this?

2. He, mother of my children, are you sick or what?

3. Yeh, and I love you too. What’s up with you??

4. What now? Did you crash the car again?

5. I don’t understand what you mean?

6. What the f*ck did you do now?

7. ?!?

8. Don’t beat about the bush, just tell me how much you need?

9. Am I dreaming?

10. If you don’t tell me who this message is actually for, someone will die.

11. I thought we agreed you wouldn’t drink during the day.

12. Your mother is coming to stay with us, isn’t she??
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January 11, 2014 9:27pm
Manolo

The steady rise of the comrades: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/10/china-surpasses-us-world-largest-trading-nation
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January 12, 2014 7:03am
Manolo

They should’ve told Lusty Len: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11184955

Companies are cracking down on office romances, with bosses increasingly being asked to sign contracts promising not to have sex with staff – or if they do, they must declare the liaison to avoid conflicts.
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January 12, 2014 7:14am
big bruv

“Companies are cracking down on office romances”

Yeah, like that’s going to work. !
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