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Dirty Rat

No Dimie

You preferred me when I was Uncle Rat
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December 9, 2013 1:50pm
Pauleastbay

This little gem from twitter this morning.

“Australia has had its first gay weddings. So far, the only noticeable change is that we are good at cricket again.”
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December 9, 2013 1:55pm
Dirty Rat

alex Masterley (1,316 comments) says:
December 9th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Dirty Rat @12:47

I am pretty sure that Penny’s house won’t be owned by a trust.

I’m starting to believe she is cleverer than most people here give her credit for..

When she says she refuses to pay rates….she is 100% correct, she has no requirement to…… but I bet her Trust does.
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December 9, 2013 1:56pm
Pauleastbay

god, are you there?
-I AM EVERYWHERE
-can you bring peace to the middle east?
-NO BUT I CAN MAKE A SORT OF FACE PATTERN ON THIS BURNT TACO
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December 9, 2013 1:58pm
stephieboy

How a notable British 9/11 Conspiracy Theorist Charles Veitch charged his mind and now has repudiated the simple silliness of 9/ll Truth.
Note also how 9// Truth like other cultists treat their apostates as worse than infidels as David Ice’s reaction clearly shows,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/10079244/The-911-conspiracy-theorist-who-changed-his-mind.html
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December 9, 2013 2:03pm
Dirty Rat

Tauhei Notts (1,414 comments) says:
December 9th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

I dont see what the farmers problem is…either the Accomodation should be taxable to the Employee or is liable for FBT ( i prefer the latter).

The sharemilker issue is a common issue….however most farmers are good and will act in good faith regarding the s/m contract, but shit I have seen some shitheads doing really shitty things
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December 9, 2013 2:04pm
Colville

Ms Dim may be as thick as two short planks but will have a decent advisor.
She will have her property in a trust I am sure to avoid the risk of someone having a go at her for defamation or simply a vexatious lawsuit for damages of somekind.
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December 9, 2013 2:07pm
dime

“You preferred me when I was Uncle Rat”

Yeah true, that was extra creepy
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December 9, 2013 2:31pm
wikiriwhis business

As Bernard Hickey pointed out in the weekend, the on going fight against inflation during the during the 80′ 90′s and onward has been completely negated by a true fight that should be fought against deflation.

The only reason our dollar is up is because of the Fed money printing that will never taper.

As long as the dollar continues to be deflated by flooding the market with it, our dollar will rise in value
as a riskless investment. Surely that bubble has just got to burst!
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December 9, 2013 2:32pm
Dirty Rat

These guys are certainly doing themselves a favour, better than Paleo or Atkins…and certainly lessening the burden of the taxpayer

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11169430
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December 9, 2013 2:39pm
Dirty Rat

wikiriwhis business

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11169359

The kiwi touched a two-week high of 50.76 British pence and was trading at 50.66 pence at 8am in Wellington from 50.18 on Friday.

The kiwi rose to 60.41 euro cents from 59.95 cents on Friday.

The local currency touched a new five-year high of 91.18 Australian cents in late New York trading on Friday, and was trading at 90.71 cents at 8am in Wellington from 90.43 cents on Friday.

The New Zealand dollar touched an eight-month high of 85.35 yen, and was trading at 85.23 yen at 8am from 83.43 yen in Wellington on Friday

Our rates are up against all the important ones, not just the States
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December 9, 2013 2:44pm
wikiriwhis business

Outraged by police ‘stop and kiss’ programme

It sounds diabolical: A “stop and kiss” program that allows New York City police officers to kiss anyone they deem suspicious.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/videos/9485164/Outraged-by-police-stop-and-kiss-programme

This is really police and systemic provocation.

Ironically, Mayor Bloomberg has made it illegal to kiss homeless by offering them food or cash
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December 9, 2013 2:52pm
Pete George

John Minto has been critical of post apartheid government in South Africa, and according to a claim he criticised Nelson Mandela when he was in New Zealand in 1995.

I was at St Matthews in the City in 1995 when Mandela went there (during his CHOGM visit) to meet the 1981 protesters. Minto berated him for not introducing communism to South Africa and attacked him for allowing capitalist companies to stay in business. A near-speechless Mandela responded: “But who do you think will employ our people?”

Until that moment I had thought Minto was an anti-racist of high principles. I then realised he was an extreme Marxist.

Minto attacked Mandela in 1995?
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December 9, 2013 2:52pm
Tauhei Notts

Caution; this next part will be boring to many of you.

Dirty Rat at 2.04
Employer provided accommodation is specifically taxable. It cannot be treated as a fringe benefit.
Interestingly, Kiwisaver payments, which are dependent upon the employee’s taxable income, are not required to be paid on the accommodation portion of that employee’s taxable income.
The part that got me was that the employee’s house was provided by the farm owner, not the employer who is, of course, the sharemilker. The sharemilker is the employer. The farm owner is not an employer. The farm owner engages a sharemilker. I am assuming here that it is a 50/50 sharemilker who owns the herd.
If the sharemilker is a lower order sharemilker and does not own the herd then the rental value of the house provided to the sharemilker is taxable as income to the sharemilker.
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December 9, 2013 3:02pm
Pauleastbay

PG

Excellent
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December 9, 2013 3:03pm
Manolo

Have a laugh: http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9083871/confessions-of-a-climate-denier/
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December 9, 2013 3:05pm
Pauleastbay

As Bernard Hickey pointed out in the weekend, the on going fight against inflation during the during the 80′ 90′s and onward has been completely negated by a true fight that should be fought against deflation.

Bernard Hickey is incapable of pointing to his own arse. Not that I am surprised that you believe anything he says Wiki but for your info, Bernard Hickey is as qualified as I am to comment on all things financial, he is but a journalist, a left wing journalist, somehow he has a contract with TV3 and radio live to talk shit but that doesn’t mean he makes one iota of sense
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December 9, 2013 3:07pm
chiz

Wikiwhiris business:

Outraged by police ‘stop and kiss’ programme

This was a spoof by The Onion, and you fell for it!
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December 9, 2013 3:09pm
martinh

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11169387

Asked whether he personally wanted Mr Minto to go to South Africa, Mr Key said: “I wanted to raise and canvas a whole range of people and I did that.”

What a load of shit this guy is now speaking like. Hes turned into a wellington bureaucrat
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December 9, 2013 3:11pm
Dirty Rat

Cheers Tauhei..

Its obviously a grey area…and not one that I have come across in the past few years being in Auckland ( although I did quite a lot of Dairy Farmers in Bay of Plenty around 10-15 years ago).

petershw (I think thats the name) here could probably give a better opinion
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December 9, 2013 3:11pm
wikiriwhis business

‘This was a spoof by The Onion, and you fell for it!’

Would hope so but Bloomberg in the mix doesn’t help.
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December 9, 2013 3:12pm
chiz

The article you linked states explicitly that it was a spoof! What does Bloomberg have to do with it?
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December 9, 2013 3:14pm
wikiriwhis business

‘What does Bloomberg have to do with it?’

He was quoted in the story supporting the police initiative.
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December 9, 2013 3:19pm
Ryan Sproull

“Ryan Sproull is one hell of a sexy guy.” – Michael Bloomberg

OMG GUYS DID YOU SEE WHAT BLOOMBERG JUST SAID ABOUT ME
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December 9, 2013 3:30pm
dime

lmao gotta love the Onion. I actually pay em $2.95 a month, just cause they crack me
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December 9, 2013 3:34pm
dime

wiki –

JOHANNESBURG—Following the death of former South African president and civil rights leader Nelson Mandela today at the age of 95, sources confirmed that the revered humanitarian has become the first politician in recorded history to actually be missed. “Today we lost not only an international hero and a symbol of the resilient human spirit, but also the very first political figure ever who people actively wish was still alive and affecting world affairs,” said political historian Wallace M. Delaney of Columbia University, adding that Mandela will long be remembered for enduring 27 years in prison in the fight against apartheid, championing equality across the globe, and standing alone as the only world leader whose passing left the international community grief-stricken and feeling a palpable void in their lives. “Certainly people have felt a sense of sorrow at the deaths of politicians in the past, but Nelson Mandela’s death is the only one on record that people everywhere unanimously agree has left the world notably worse off. I miss him, we all miss him—and that’s entirely unprecedented in the world of politics.” Delaney added that he could not predict who might be the second politician to be missed by humanity, but confirmed there were no viable candidates anywhere out there right now.
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December 9, 2013 3:35pm
Gulag1917

The legend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PDX3-Qkx6Y
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December 9, 2013 3:53pm
Longknives

Is there a nastier, more odious little creep in New Zealand than John Minto??
Shamelessly taking false credit for the end of Apartheid and now cashing in on Mandela’s passing to score political points and have a crack at the Government..
What a vile piece of work.
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December 9, 2013 4:15pm
Longknives

Oh- Just saw the separate post on Minto…

Anyhow- He is still a twat.
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December 9, 2013 4:21pm
Gulag1917

One could have a paradise situation and some radical troublemaker will ruin it for everyone.
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December 9, 2013 4:27pm
jcuk

Dime … I want a responsible society to look after me when I have problems but I recognise that to have a responsbile society the members have to be responsible to the society.

If the young were taught the concept of responsibility to society much of our problems would go away. An aggrivating feature of today’s society is the endless push for cost cutting and efficiency which reduces the work opportuinities for everybody from youth to near retiree. So while superficially society is responsible it is far from it in the holistic viewpoint.

One day I hope the capitalists will wake up to the fact that they cannot go on continually expanding and a happy solution of maintaining the status quo will need to be found. It is up to business to do that becuase they have the money to instigate change.
The alternative is communism and that while superficially attractive has proved to be little different to capitalism in its outcome with the human instinct to climb on the backs of others.
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December 9, 2013 6:15pm
OneTrack

jcuk – communism is vastly different to capitalism in its outcomes for people. Just watched a documentary on Pol Pot the other day which really rubbed it in. Unbelievable. And people still think that might be better than only being able to buy kfc five nights a week?
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December 9, 2013 7:03pm
nasska

After a long night of making love, he notices a photo of
another man on her night stand by the bed. He begins to
worry.
“Is this your husband?” he nervously asks.
“No, silly,” she replies, snuggling up to him.
“Your boyfriend, then?” he continues.
“No, not at all,” she says, nibbling away at his ear.
“Is it your dad or your brother?” he inquires,
hoping to be reassured.
“No, no, no!!!” she answers.
“Well, who in the HELL is he, then?” he demands.

“That’s me before the surgery!
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December 9, 2013 8:00pm
Harriet

Ryan Sproull (6,068 comments) says:
December 9th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
“Ryan Sproull is one hell of a sexy guy.” – Michael Bloomberg

OMG GUYS DID YOU SEE WHAT BLOOMBERG JUST SAID ABOUT ME

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He’d really be talking about that R.Sproll – the Christian apologist or whatever he is that is often quoted in serious text. Not you.

Your’re only famous around here Ryan…and we don’t count for very much anyway….in case you were wondering! 😎
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December 9, 2013 8:31pm
Viking2

A CATHOLIC priest told a teenage girl he was terminally ill and she “needed to have sex with him before he died”, the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse has heard.

His victim, Joan Isaacs, told the commission this morning that she was one of three girls in a “cult-like group” named after the Peanuts comics and run by the Brisbane priest, Father Frank Derriman, who is still alive.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/abuse-victim-tells-of-cultlike-group/story-fngburq5-1226778772495

And the list goes on and on and on.
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December 9, 2013 9:26pm
Pauleastbay

Dime

No Brian, no watch –
Seth WTF
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December 9, 2013 9:30pm
nasska

Johnboy’s back for a visit…..I may not need this after all. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/88xciwo1fo0ua3f/JB.jpg
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December 9, 2013 9:33pm
Kea

A CATHOLIC priest told a teenage girl…

Viking2, come off it ! Do you expect us to believe that ? 😉
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December 9, 2013 9:33pm
Johnboy

It was 1949 you dyslectic nasska. 🙂

Will Yvette return do you think? 🙂
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December 9, 2013 9:36pm
Pauleastbay

V2

I read the first two lines and thought I was I for a joke –
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December 9, 2013 9:37pm
nasska

She sounded a bit final JB…..I think your departure broke her heart. 🙂
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December 9, 2013 9:39pm
Johnboy

Jeeze PEB takes ages to edit his comments eh! 🙂
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December 9, 2013 9:40pm
Johnboy

I’ve bought a blue and white striped tee-shirt and a beret if that would help nasska? 🙂
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December 9, 2013 9:42pm
nasska

The beret could save the day JB…..that & a plateful of snails. 🙂
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December 9, 2013 9:44pm
Pete George

A Green ex candidate has been getting more bizarre and over the top lately, and goes overboard:

‏@JudithCollinsMP

So this is our Far Left RTGreen party candidate wants to execute female Young Nats: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/12/green-party-candidate-wants-execute-female-young-nats/ …

Max Dillon Coyle ‏@MaxDCoyle

@JudithCollinsMP And the hideous old ones too, after a trial on charges of treason of course. Go kill yourself you despicable human.

I wonder if he is in the current candidate pool.
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December 9, 2013 9:46pm
Johnboy

Phew that’s a worry! 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xNxQfVNVR8
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December 9, 2013 9:47pm
Pauleastbay

MaxDCoyle 38m
@JudithCollinsMP And the hideous old ones too, after a trial on charges of treason of course. Go kill yourself you despicable human.
Reply Retweet Favorite More Expand

And this bit of class from Green Max D Coyle. Charming
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December 9, 2013 9:48pm
RightNow

At least unconsciousness came quickly:

late one weekday evening as Mrs Flannery was reading a Jackie Collins novel in bed and unwinding for sleep, she was suddenly and forcibly pinned under the duvet by Mr Flannery, who sealed the edges with his weight while simultaneously releasing an enormous bolus of flatulence, which displaced all the available oxygen so that Mrs Flannery passed out nearly instantly, and was dead within 30 seconds.

http://www.ronsonwriter.com/content/view/69/9/
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December 9, 2013 9:51pm
Scott Chris

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/dutchoven.asp
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December 9, 2013 10:03pm
SPC

One reason for poverty is the extent of houses not insulated.

While the poor could afford to heat an un-insulated house back in the 80’s, this has not been the case for decades.
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December 10, 2013 12:05am
RightNow

235,000 homes have been insulated under the Government’s Warm Up New Zealand: Heat Smart programme, well above the original target set.

http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?articleId=42146
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December 10, 2013 12:08am
SPC

The poor live in rentals, how many of the 235,000 homes insulated are rentals?
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December 10, 2013 1:54am
Manolo

A ruthless tyrant in action: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/09/us-russia-media-idUSBRE9B80I120131209
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December 10, 2013 6:32am
Viking2

I think we should expect well educated, well paid , noisy Public Servants to at least know the Law and get t right when they make said noise.

Chief Commissioner David Rutherford said.

In regards to tenancy security, it recommends the Government prepare a discussion paper on whether the Residential Tenancies Act should be amended so that notices for tenants to vacate properties can be lengthened to 12 weeks and the landlord required to provide a reason. As it stands, the required notice periods vary from 14 days to 90.

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Now I’m not a paid lackey like this clown (who seems to consider NZ is full of poor people), but nowhere in the RTA does the law allow any Landlord to to give 14 days notice to vacate to any tenant.

They can be given a 14 day notice to amend their rent arrears or fix stuff they have broken but not 14 days to leave.

fuck I despise lying scum bags like this.
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December 10, 2013 6:57am
UglyTruth

“If Penny’s home is owned by a trust, and she is living off the income from flatmates, not a benefit, as as she told us recently, does that mean that the trust has been making distributions to her as a beneficiary?

That would make sense.

And has the trust, which is clearly trading, been paying income tax on the rental received?

Why would it? There is no reason to think that the income is taxable.

Not all income is taxable, for example the sale of real property by contract.
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