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Dennis Horne

There was a cold killer called David
Whose disciples are all quite rabid
Along came Binnie Dunce
Bain fooled him at once
But the taxpayers’ pot’s not been raided.
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December 7, 2013 1:32pm
Fletch

Manalo.
According to the gospel of you Fox, Washington Examiner , Tea baggers etc, etc

Stephieboy, not just that.
For example, Obama was supposed to have graduated from Columbia University, but none of his classmates remembers him there. A highly respected and well known professor who has been at Columbia forever and knows all the politicians who have ever passed through, also doubts Obama was there.

Meet Professor Henry Graff, perhaps the most legendary and honored professor ever at Columbia University. He was THE American History and Diplomatic History professor at Columbia for 46 years. And he is more emphatic than yours truly that there are no Obama footprints at Columbia.

I was put on Professor Graff’s trail by another Columbia classmate, skeptical about Obama’s story. He told me that Professor Graff had been the speaker for the Class of ’53 last weekend at Columbia. My friend was watching Graff answer questions from the crowd when he was asked about Obama at Columbia. Graff said, “I have my doubts he ever went here.”

I did some digging and located Graff’s home phone number. I called him yesterday. Now retired, he was delighted to hear from me. He agreed to go on the record about Obama. Unlike Obama, Professor Graff clearly remembered me. He was thrilled to hear from his former student. I was in several of Graff’s classes and he remembered me like it was yesterday. He sounded great- like he hasn’t lost any of his trademark sharpness in 30 years since we last met.

I was honored to learn that this legendary historian has been following my political career for many years. But he had no such cheery things to say about the President. Graff said, “I taught at Columbia for 46 years. I taught every significant American politician that ever studied at Columbia. I know them all. I’m proud of them all. Between American History and Diplomatic History, one way or another, they all had to come through my classes. Not Obama. I never had a student with that name in any of my classes. I never met him, never saw him, never heard of him.”

Even more importantly, Professor Graff knew the other history and political science professors. “None of the other Columbia professors knew him either” said Graff.

Graff concluded our interview by saying, “I’m very upset by the whole story. I am angry when I hear Obama called ‘the first President of the United States from Columbia University.’ I don’t consider him a Columbia student. I have no idea what he did on the Columbia campus. No one knows him.”

There is something wrong with Obama’s story- I know that. Many of my classmates at last weekend’s 30th reunion knew that. Now the most beloved Professor ever at Columbia joins us in publicly questioning the story. Obama is either the ghost of Columbia, or the perfect Manchurian candidate. But something smells rotten at Columbia.

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/ghost-of-columbia-part-ii-legendary-columbia-professor-never-heard-of-obama/

Like manolo, I believe that one day we’ll find out that the person of Obama was created out of whole cloth. His whole story is a fiction. His records have been sealed so we don’t know what he (supposedly) did at school, what he wrote. We only have the vaguest of pointers that are now beginning to disintegrate. I believe a huge scam has been pulled on the American public.
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December 7, 2013 1:39pm
Odakyu-sen

“There are three ways of being a NZ citizem:
1. Born in NZ (there are a few odd exceptions).
2. By descent – ie parent born in NZ (there are some other requirements).
3. Grant of citizenship – following at least 5 years after being granted residency.”

#2 “By Decent” is a 2nd-class citizenship because it cannot be passed on to one’s children.
So in theory, if two New Zealanders, each with NZ citizenship by descent, had a child in a country that does not automatically give citizenship to people born there (like Germany), then the child would be legally stateless.
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December 7, 2013 1:51pm
Jack5

A Royal Marine sergeant has been sentenced to life imprisonment for murder after he killed a Taliban terrorist in Afghanistan.

Liberals are trying to turn Western armed forces into boy scouts and girl guides. When are we going to stand up to them?

Blackett, the Judge Advocate General who sentenced the sergeant, is also the chief judicial officer of rugby in Britain. He’s a former Royal Navy officer, but you have to wonder whether he ever was in action. He doesn’t increase your opinion of the intelligence of rugby administrators. I wonder if Blackett has ever had anything to do with NZ rugby?

However, who would volunteer to fight for Britain these days, when it’s run by people like Blackett and treats its fighting men the way it is treating the marine sergeant? Would thousands of NZ’ers and Aussies and Canadians volunteer to help the Brits in trouble today as they did in 1939 and 1940? I don’t think so.

(Judge advocates are the judges who chair court-martial trials.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10500133/Killer-Marine-told-he-increased-risk-of-revenge-attacks-and-sentenced-to-minimum-10-years.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Blackett

http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/how-we-help/about-us/team-h4h/trustees/his-honour-judge-jeff-blackett/
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December 7, 2013 1:56pm
Rowan

Stephie
Prove to me that none of the unidentified prints on the gun belonged to Robin, then I will answer your question.
The crown expert Kim Jones felt the need to lie to the 1995 jury about these prints telling them the opposite of what was true so they would ‘understand it better’, then you can draw yourself a cartoon showing how David would have used the gun in order to replicate the position of those prints, you would have to hold the gun left hand by the forestock, actually try firing a gun while holding it like this before making stupid comments here.
Waiting for that cartoon, see if you can beat Marzuka for the entertainment value!
Do the research on statistics for indefiable recovery of latent fingerprints, you have the whole web.
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December 7, 2013 1:57pm
Rowan

Blouse
You are such an arrogant presumptive POS that its barely worth taking the time to reply to you. Just like the PC ‘wouldn’t’ overturn the conviction, the retrial ‘would’ find him guilty and the judge ‘wouldn’t’ find him factually innocent etc etc
How many times have you wrongly predicted the outcome regarding DB here?
Truth wins at the end of the day, this is not a conspiracy theory as you would seem to believe.
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December 7, 2013 2:03pm
Gulag1917

Obama’s CIA connection
http://www.globalresearch.ca/barack-obama-his-mother-and-the-cia
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December 7, 2013 2:03pm
goldnkiwi

Defamation proceedings-the new cash cow.
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December 7, 2013 2:20pm
Chuck Bird

@Jack5

You are quite right. What planet is the fucken judge from. Does he think that scum need an excuse to retaliate?

I wonder it they got rid of provocation in the UK. I wonder what would have happened if Prince Harry had of finished off the POS?

I also wonder who was the arsehole who released the video.

I do not see why the Sargent did not destroy the camera. I hope all servicemen refuse to wear the cameras unless they get the same protection pilots do with voice recorders.
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December 7, 2013 2:22pm
big bruv

Nostalgia-NZ

Lol…nearly everybody in NZ has seen the contortions the defence team suggested Robin Bain put himself through to shoot himself in the head. It would have been far easier to simply have swallowed a bullet if he had killed four members of his family.

Oh…and as for the lack of fingerprints, you will have to do better than that. If he shot them he would have left fingerprints, there were none of Robins. Indeed the only fingerprints on the gun were Davids.
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December 7, 2013 2:27pm
Reid

I believe a huge scam has been pulled on the American public.

Yes Fletch, it has. The thing is, a large proportion of the relatively few people who get that part of it don’t seem to get that this has been going on since way before Obama. And it’s not just pulling electoral fraud its much worse than that. And further, most of those same people don’t follow the logical thought process through and ask themselves the obvious next questions: who and why.

Who has the capability of not just doing that but of preventing the relevant questions from being raised in both govt circles and in the media, and why have they done this.

Those are the real questions and because most people get cognitive dissonance even thinking about them, they never do. Shame really, because the answers to those provide the only thing that predicts what’s going to happen next.
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December 7, 2013 2:29pm
Judith

@ big bruv (11,837 comments) says:
December 7th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

Wrong.

David’s were not the only fingerprints found on the weapon

Finger prints are identified on weapons involving both suicide and murder in less than 10% of the time.
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December 7, 2013 2:32pm
Ed Snack

Fletch, Obama never was “editor” of the Harvard law review, that was an appointed position and involved work. Obama was elected President, a figurehead role. He is still as far as is known, the only President never to have contributed an article to the review.

The only “evidence” for Obama being of foreign birth comes from a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama’s then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which touts Obama as “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.” The booklet, which was distributed to “business colleagues” in the publishing industry, includes a brief biography of Obama among the biographies of eighty-nine other authors represented by Acton & Dystel. It also promotes Obama’s anticipated first book, Journeys in Black and White–which Obama abandoned, later publishing Dreams from My Father instead. This appears to have been boilerplate advertising guff, possibly trying to make Obama look more “exotic”, and can’t be considered serious evidence without anything further to back it up.

It is worth noting that none of Obama’s academic or school records have ever been released. Given Obama’s stellar record of serial dishonesty it seems highly likely that there is something there that is rather disreputable. It could just be that his grades don’t match the “smartest man in the room” puffery, or quite likely he claimed to be a foreign student at some point to gain financial advantage. We simply can’t know as the proof is in those records (as long as they do actually exist, and haven’t been cleaned out) and we aren’t allowed to see them. However using these kind of equal opportunities give-aways improperly to gain advantage is common enough and only considered a disqualifying point if a conservative of some stripe, for example current left wing darling Elizabeth Warren’s use of a fake native american ancestry to gain academic preferment that her scholarship otherwise would not have gained her.
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December 7, 2013 2:33pm
bc

Yawn, all this Obama conspiracy stuff again. How tedious.
Put it this way. Obama was elected in 2008. That has given all the Obama conspiracy theorists five years to find something on him. I bet a lot of time, effort and money has been spent trying to find something.
Yet nothing has been found. That suggests that is because, there is nothing to be found.
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December 7, 2013 2:37pm
Judith

@ stephieboy (107 comments) says:
December 7th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

Stephen’s prints were not found on the rifle.

In the vast majority of crimes involving weapons, (legally) identifiable prints, that is those whose ridging pattern is sufficiently defined that there are (for NZ) 8 identifying points (countries vary as to how many they request).

Whilst there were prints that were identifiable as ‘finger prints’ found on the weapon, including in the trigger position, there were not sufficient identifiable points to legally attribute them to any person, so the police did not photograph them. This was a huge mistake, because whilst they couldn’t have legally identified who they belonged to, they could have identified who the DIDN’T belong to. Another serious omission by the investigating team.
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December 7, 2013 2:38pm
goldnkiwi

So much easier for everyone if the Police had accepted how the scene was set. Action, stage right.
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December 7, 2013 2:40pm
Rowan

Righto Blouse
Crown pathologist Dr Dempster didn’t believe there were any required contortions and it was easy to shoot yourself in any of the methods demonstrated by the defence. You f…wits would have us believe that the judge actually allowed Karam to assist Boyce and the jury brought it, or that the defence required headgear, this was a crown exhibit you dumbarse! I suppose you buy Marzukas piece as the likely method of him being shot.
Don’t make me laugh.
Look at what you would have us believe, David hides behind the curtains with the computer turned on, Robin comes in and stands like a zombie, he doesn’t notice anything but stands still as the gun is held in hard contact pointing upwards at his temple. David would have to be crouched down on the floor to achieve this, then we have evidence of a rifle jam/misfired bullet so Robin waits still not noticing anything while David reloads and shoots him again.
I don’t believe in fairy tales Blouse, there is no explanation for how anyone else but Robin could possibly have inflicted that shot, the crown couldn’t do it so would ask you to ignore it.

This is all backed up by evidence but you would rather some idiots cartoon, he has a computer and can simulate what he likes, what a joke!
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December 7, 2013 2:43pm
Judith

@ stephieboy (107 comments) says:
December 7th, 2013 at 11:55 am

Robin’s Doctor did not say in Court he had no knowledge of anti-depressants. The Doctor used his professional privilege and refused to give information from Robin’s medical files.
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December 7, 2013 2:43pm
Kea

Judith, do you think David will kill again ?

I think he would like to. David does not kill in a fit of rage. He enjoys the planing and the game of wits involved in getting away with it, more the the actual act itself. David will be feeling powerful now that he has fooled so many. That is what gives David a rush.
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December 7, 2013 2:47pm
Rowan

Changing the subject, NZ are making hard work of the game but looks like they will get there as its a very low total, Corey Anderson is doing a great job that the top order couldn’t do, touch wood that he and Taylor can see us through.
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December 7, 2013 2:51pm
Judith

@ Kea (9,324 comments) says:
December 7th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

David hasn’t killed once, so he cannot kill again. David was examined by both NZ and international global forensic psychiatrists for an extended period of years, and none of them found any evidence of mental impairment including either psychopathy or sociopathy. There is no evidence to support your claim, and plenty of evidence to refute it. For example, in the almost 20 years since the deaths, he has not exhibited a single sign, even when challenged in prison, of having the type of personality you like to attribute to him.
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December 7, 2013 2:51pm
Rowan

Kea
Thanks for your speculation, do you actually have any evidence of any of this? nope didn’t think so, no answer to my 12.50 either?
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December 7, 2013 2:52pm
big bruv

“I don’t believe in fairy tales Blouse,”

Clearly you do Rowan. If you believe that Robin is the killer and that David is not then clearly you do.
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December 7, 2013 2:56pm
Rowan

You ‘know’ this do you Big Blouse, were you there? I thought it was the goat, thats about as plausible as the extent of your evidence.
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December 7, 2013 2:59pm
Kea

David was examined by both NZ and international global forensic psychiatrists for an extended period of years, and none of them found any evidence of mental impairment including either psychopathy or sociopathy.

Judith, I am dubious of people who claim to have certificates of “sanity”.

I think David wants to kill again, but probably won’t.

David has no conviction. He was locked up for over a decade. He should get his money the scheming little shit.
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December 7, 2013 3:05pm
Nostradamus

Just looked at the cricket commentary. Drizzle in Dunedin but, no, NZ is happy to block block block until the tea break. A bit of urgency before the tea break is surely preferable to a rained-out draw. I don’t know what the weather forecast is for the rest of today, but it’d be nice if they could knock off the last 30-odd runs instead of farting around.
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December 7, 2013 3:14pm
Fletch

Then there’s the online database evidence that a skip-tracer accidentally found – that Obama’s Social Security number had once belonged to a Harrison J. Bounel, born in the 1800’s.

This link includes screen shots, but this is now being scrubbed away on the internet.
In fact, up to 5 Obama relatives may have made use of the number.

http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/336889/
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December 7, 2013 3:33pm
Pete George

The weather looks to be a lottery here, there could be a bit of a break but there could be heavier showers to follow. Looks patchy.

If they get another chance they should get the runs as quickly as possible. It would be inexcusable to have a draw due to weather.

Very risky dawdling.
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December 7, 2013 3:43pm
stephieboy

An excellent guide to debunking Obama based Conspiracy Theories,

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/
Fletch your link has all the typical could be’s and maybe’s
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December 7, 2013 3:43pm
stephieboy

Judith (4,682 comments) says:
December 7th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

Dr Mc Leod stated in court that Robin did not discuss any intimate matters like Depression with him.
If the information about medication is privileged then how did Karam and pro bainers like you establish he was on anti depressants.?
Did David Bain tell you all.??
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December 7, 2013 3:47pm
Judith

@stephieboy (109 comments) says:
December 7th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

You need to refer to the Court transcripts, all that information is available there. You shouldn’t believe everything you read on CS, it is bullshit written by bullshitters.
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December 7, 2013 3:49pm
Judith

@ Kea (9,325 comments) says:
December 7th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

Have you ever met David Bain, had a conversation with him, even communicated in any manner directly with him, or are you basing your opinion of what you ‘think’ David Bain thinks, and will do, based solely on what you’ve read in the media and the opinions of others?

Surely you can understand why ‘what you think he thinks’ or anyone else may ‘think he thinks’ is a very unreliable measure, under such circumstances.
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December 7, 2013 3:53pm
Rowan

It looks like Australia are having the last laugh when it comes to the Ashes, England will need to do something special to (a) save this test and (b) avoid giving up the urn. Anything can happen though.
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December 7, 2013 3:55pm
Rowan

Judith
when you say “everything you read on counterspin” wouldn’t “anything you believe on counterspin” be more appropriate?

As I stated earlier how long is KP going to still have money in the bank? Stephie, Blouse and the rest of the JFRB loons should be putting aside funds for him!
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December 7, 2013 3:58pm
Kea

based solely on what you’ve read in the media and the opinions of others?

Judith, if the Jury did not listen to the media and the opinions of others your boy would still be in prison.
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December 7, 2013 3:59pm
Rowan

Come on England you can do better than this, this performance is a disgrace. You are making the likes of meatpie Johnson look good. I suppose thats unfair on him as he can have good days.
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December 7, 2013 4:07pm
grumpyoldhori

So why is Key a politician going to the funeral of a head of state of SA ?
When did Key become HOS of NZ ?, funny that, one would have thought the GG would be the man to send.
Or is NZ a republic with Key as HOS when he wants a trip ?
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December 7, 2013 4:22pm
grumpyoldhori

Rowan, any bugger who bowls at 150k looks good if you are facing him.
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December 7, 2013 4:25pm
Rowan

True grumpy, he is just to inconsistent for my liking, he is either very good or very bad, doesn’t seem to be much in between.
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December 7, 2013 4:28pm
Nostradamus

Oh dear – looks like NZ has, unbelievably, managed to snatch a draw from the jaws of victory. Very poor. All they needed to do was get on with it before the tea break, before the rain started, and a win was there for the taking.
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December 7, 2013 5:00pm
Pete George

Yep, still raining and the radar has more coming, so they’ve blown it. Very disappointing.
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December 7, 2013 5:03pm
kowtow

In other news from Africa ,but studiously ignored by the world’s MSM intent on deifying Nelson Mandela ,Christians are being slaughtered by adherents to the religion of peace and tolerance………again.

…a bit like all the violence in the wonderful rainbow republic that our MSM seem intent in ignoring……

….like they ignore Mandela’s praise of tyrants such as Gaddafi ,Castro and Che!

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2013/12/hundreds-reported-dead-car-violence-201312619111878594.html
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December 7, 2013 5:04pm
big bruv

“You are making the likes of meatpie Johnson look good”

FFS….so you know nothing about cricket either then?
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December 7, 2013 5:46pm
Colville

Nostrodamus.
Exactly the phrase I was thinking.
I did have someone say to me that Taylor probably did everything he could to go slow just to fu*k it up for Captian McCullum.
Utu and all that.
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December 7, 2013 5:46pm
Nostalgia-NZ

James Stephenson who ever may have, or may not have lied about the glasses, put the blood smears on Robin’s hands? Right.

Thanks for the ‘lol’ bigbruv, the sisters need to rely on those. If raising a leg on a chair and leaning your head to the left are ‘contortions’ you must have a hell of a job taking a crap.

Vomiting on the cricket result if it’s true, but what a fight back for a second innings score so high be the WI.
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December 7, 2013 7:14pm
nasska

It was late at night as the Pope, who had departed this world, was approaching the gates of heaven. There was no one around, but there was a small shack just prior to the gates with a light on. The Pope stepped into the shack and startled a young man half asleep sitting at a small grey desk.
“Excuse me” said the Pope, “but I’m supposed to check in here with St. Peter, but there is no one at the gate.” “Yea, Yea” said the young man, “Where are your orders?”
“I don’t have any orders, ” said the Pope.
“Well it’s too late to check in tonight anyhow.” said the young man, “Just go around to the back of the building, find a bunk and dump your gear in a locker. St. Peter will be here in the morning and you can check in then.”
The Pope grabs his stuff and walks around the building only to find a WWII style open bay barracks. The bunks are stacked three high and the only vacant one is all the way at the end of the building, and its on top. He drags his stuff to the end of the building, but there is no locker for him. He takes a deep breath, thinks about it for a minute and decides this is just one final test. He crawls up into the bunk and falls asleep.
Suddenly he is awakened by a loud commotion outside the barracks. As he walks outside he sees a huge crowd of cherubs cheering and clapping as a gold convertible limousine approaches. As it draws nearer, the Pope sees a bloke dressed in an expensive suit sitting in the back seat with a beautiful angel on each arm, a glass of champagne in his hand and he is smoking one of the biggest cigars the Pope has ever seen. The Pope turns to the young man who checked him in and asks, “Who is that guy?” “A politician,” the young man replies.
The Pope says, “I don’t get it. I worked hard all of my life to do God’s work on earth. As a young man I studied hard at the seminary, as a priest I laboured hard to tend my flock and provide guidance when they strayed. I struggled as a bishop to serve the church and as Pope, I was able to attract more followers of the faith. Yet, when I reach heaven, St. Peter isn’t here to greet me. I have to carry my own luggage. I’m stuck in the top bunk of a shed and I don’t even have a locker for my bags!”
The young man looks at the Pope and says. “Look, we get a Pope every 20-30 years, but he’s the only politician who has ever made it!”
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December 7, 2013 8:02pm
stigie

GD is very quiet tonight. Wonder if everyone is sulking because of the cricket ?

I know i am !~
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December 7, 2013 8:22pm
publicwatchdog

The introduction of neo-liberal reforms by the ANC, created, as they have in New Zealand and every other country that has gone down that path – ‘economic apartheid’ ie: ‘war on the poor’.

For your consideration – another view – from South Africa.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mandela-led-fight-against-apartheid-but-not-against-extreme-inequality/5360540?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=mandela-led-fight-against-apartheid-but-not-against-extreme-inequality

Patrick Bond is the Director of the Center for Civil Society and Professor at the University of KwaZulu-Natal in South Africa. Bond is the author and editor of the recently released books, Politics of Climate Justice and Durban’s Climate Gamble.

“Mandela deserves great credit for ending racial apartheid in South Africa, but his legacy includes the continuation of mass poverty

‘The mood here in South Africa is terribly somber.

This was the day that everyone knew would come. And in the last few months Mandela’s been in hospital four times.

But it’s hard to come to grips with the loss of someone who has ruled in a moral and spiritual way just as much as in a political way in his first five years as the president of the Democratic South Africa in 1994 to ’99.”

Penny Bright
1981 Springbok Tour protestor
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December 7, 2013 8:29pm
Rowan

Good call Nos
What these f…wits would have you believe is laughable. I find your 7.14 hilarious.
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December 7, 2013 8:39pm
Kea

A few harsh realities from a black preacher. This guy tells it like it is. Try screaming racist at this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u5wonVVFdY
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December 7, 2013 9:03pm
Steve (North Shore)

How much is a one way airfare to South Africa?
Maybe start a fund – Public Dog and Minto Bar can leave and do the protesting in South Africa?

Fuck off you germs
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December 7, 2013 9:04pm
MH

Mexico has decided to send 6 pall bearer members of the Shining Light Jumping Bean Foundation to Mandela’s funeral in the RSA -to radiate the love. The Iranian leader I-a-told-ya Noah-Harmoney has promised a back up team of some of the leading lights of Iranian Nuclear Diplomatic Corpse if the Mexicans don’t make it, leading to speculation they intend to revive or gain access to SA’s suspended nuclear programme. Mme Fenton(NZ monitor) will ensure that no inappropriate eating will be seen along the route of the brightly lit procession. There have also been reports that there have been a rush for demand for tyres, both second hand and new throughout the country. Petrol stations have also reported a surge in demand and many have closed due to shortages. AP Rooter.
3 US pressies in one place – And where is Mugabe? Sgt Rob Muldoon knew where the bastard was.
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December 7, 2013 9:10pm
Kea

Steve, look at my 9:42am

Even communist white hating Minto is critical of the violent shit hole SA has become.
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December 7, 2013 9:22pm
big bruv

Kea

Not sure if this has been said tonight but the reason Minto is so disappointed in how SA turned out is because he desperately wanted SA to turn communist after the release of Mandela.
Minto conned many people into believing that his opposition to apartheid was because of the racist polices of the SA government, I an sure that Minto did not really give a toss about the plight of the blacks, he could see that the anti apartheid movement was the vehicle he could climb on to usher in a glorious communist state for the people of SA.
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December 7, 2013 9:40pm
Kea

Big bruv, I can believe that. Same with Mandela. He was not a terrorist fighting to free blacks form apartheid, but to enslave them with communism.
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December 7, 2013 9:44pm
big bruv

Kea.

If you read any book about Mandela his initial attraction with communism is not in dispute. While I am obviously very anti communist I do not blame Mandela for being as he was given that he was not getting any assistance from the “free world” in his fight against apartheid.
As I said yesterday, I think Mandela’s greatness comes from what he did once he was released, what he did prior to being imprisoned is nothing short of terrorism.
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December 7, 2013 9:51pm
Kea

big bruv, I share your view of Mandela. I also think they could have had a worse leader.

Actually it is not really Mandela that annoys me. It is the dishonesty of the msm.
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December 7, 2013 9:55pm
big bruv

Kea

I expect nothing less from the scum MSM.

What angers me is the way that bummer Bradbury and his lot are trying to claim that it was only ever the vermin from the left who were anti apartheid. Of course this is normal behaviour for scum like Bradbury as the left is always attempting to rewrite history.
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December 7, 2013 9:59pm
Kea

I don’t think anyone was comfortable with apartheid. It was hard for me to get over my own ideology to see what really worked in SA. Tribalism is more of a problem than apartheid and now flourishes. Vastly more blacks were killed fighting blacks than fighting whites. The clashes we saw on telly, between the security forces and blacks, were mostly when they turned up to stop blacks killing each other.
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December 7, 2013 10:03pm
nickb

What a disappointing / great day in the cricket, respectively.

Disappointing to see rain ruin NZ’s chances and great to see Aussie winding the clock back and giving the poms a pasting.
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December 7, 2013 10:25pm
big bruv

Well said Nickb

Have a scroll up the comments. Some fucking moron who clearly knows nothing about cricket reckons that Mitchell Johnson is a pie chucker.

If he can chuck pies at 150k plus then he will always be in my team.
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December 7, 2013 10:29pm
nickb

Haha…whilst I might have thought that way pre-Ashes any such thoughts needed dramatic revision after the Gabba test.

If a pie chucker can take 7/40 against the poms then what does that make them?
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December 7, 2013 11:02pm
itstricky

Then there’s the online database evidence that a skip-tracer accidentally found – that Obama’s Social Security number had once belonged to a Harrison J. Bounel, born in the 1800′s.

Wow, there’s some fruit loops here. Multi-coloured orange and green ones.

Why don’t you start here, something another poster put on here. It’ll help answer all your questions. But, hold on, isn’t the fact that your intellect leads you to believe that the questions need to be asked not signifying to you that something is wrong?

Start here:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/

All aboard the Wonka-mobile!
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December 7, 2013 11:04pm
itstricky

Oh look, someone’s already posted that link. Please ignore my (non-tin foil hat) rambling. Good night fruit-loops.
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December 7, 2013 11:06pm
stephieboy

Judith (4,684 comments) says:
December 7th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Court transcripts.??
Counterspin B Shiters,??

Examples please/??
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December 8, 2013 12:28am
Harriet

Fuck me…..someone over in NZ is posting about Bain……..at 12.30am on Sunday morning……get a life! 😎
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December 8, 2013 12:37am
cha

At 7:55 a.m the bombing began.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:

Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.

At the going down of the sun and in the morning,

We will remember them.
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December 8, 2013 7:08am
Manolo

Judith IS Bain’s alter ego.
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December 8, 2013 7:48am
cha

7 December 1941, the Air Force story.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/7Dec41/
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December 8, 2013 7:54am
Fletch

Good night fruit-loops.

itstricky, I know there are many conspiracy theories, but the ones I have posted aren’t theories – they are true. If a whole class from Columbia, and a well respected professor who was there for 43 years say that Obama never went there, and that no one saw him, then he didn’t. And most of these people in that class were Democrats who voted for Obama, and who I’m sure would have liked to have skited that they graduated Columbia the same year as Obama. No one saw him; it’s a FACT, not a theory.

Ditto for the skip tracer – there are actual screen shots he took while looking at the address where Obama lived showing a social security number that used to belong to someone else. This isn’t a theory. It’s there in the screenshot.

Guess what, sometimes conspiracy theories are true.
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December 8, 2013 12:02pm
cha

Fletch, tell us all about that foreign student ID.
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December 8, 2013 12:05pm
itstricky

Guess what, sometimes conspiracy theories are true.

Well, I guess that just goes to show and good experiment on how gullible people can be when they -want- to believe something.

All those “proofs” are on the page I & the other poster posted. The classmates, the social security number (in fact about 5 variations of the social security number by the looks of things)

My favourite is the birth certificate where someone had found the exact, original, sample that had been doctored on The Internet – even the numbering was the same. Fruit-loops, keeping the world on the wobbly since 1930
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December 9, 2013 6:40am
Yoza

Yeah, right on, Fletch. No one can be surrounded by this many conspiracy theories without at least some of them being true!
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December 9, 2013 6:58am
Viking2

Now here is a novel idea.

The Philippine government has joined them in paying for food-for-work and cash-for-work emergency employment for thousands who lost their livelihoods.

even better is the way the Govt. is moving. Lesson for Christchurch. Send Gerry and his mates to have a look.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9492343/Thousands-live-in-Philippines-ruins
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