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wikiriwhis business

Tauhei Notts

Actually, I cannot believe she didn’t move to Tokoroa years ago.

Anyone should know small towns are being abandoned.

she should have set up her kids and settled them in larger area before they started school.

But I did post my firends thoughts because she’s not the only one affected like this as being persecuted for being unemployed. WINZ treats you like a criminal from day one as if you are a long time problem and that’s a pure lie.

btw, not that I need to defend myself but I am not a beneficiary
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December 4, 2013 4:44pm
Reid

So Reid’s “ONLY person” claim is wrong, graham doesn’t seem to see what Reid claims can be deduced from the Henry report.

Pete you galloping mental you, what I said was that Dunne being a lying disingenuous philanderer is the only logical conclusion anyone who isn’t infatuated with Dunne can possibly draw FROM THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE PARTIES INVOLVED AT THE TIME. In other words, I didn’t even mention the report.

So don’t lie, please. After all, lying isn’t very fair, sensible or reasonable, is it.
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December 4, 2013 4:55pm
wikiriwhis business

New law for credit unions, finance companies

Parliament has passed a law described as a “complete waste of time” which introduces a licencing regime for non-bank deposit takers (NBDTs).

The Non-bank Deposit Takers Act 2013, which is expected to come into force in May 2014, covers finance companies, building societies, and credit unions.

It gives the Reserve Bank new powers to intervene if a NBDT gets into trouble, and retains existing risk management and governance requirements.

During the third and final reading of the bill, Labour MP David Clark described it as “a complete waste of time”.

“The Government ought to be focused on rebalancing the economy, not on passing bills that simply shift legislation from one part of the book to another,” he said.

Henry Lynch, chief executive of the New Zealand Association of Credit Unions, was also unconvinced of the law’s usefulness.

“It’s not a big deal because a lot of these things we do already,” he said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9476168/New-law-for-credit-unions-finance-companies

The Reserve Bank now has legal right to empty out any bank or trust account in NZ.

No wonder people have overseas trust accounts. Who can blame them.

Whale Oil targeted Nicky Hagar for having an overseas trust account. So what. I don’t blame him.
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December 4, 2013 5:05pm
goldnkiwi

wikiriwhis business (2,482 comments) says:

December 4th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

I wonder how she does the groceries then? Perhaps she could work in with the neighbour as they seem similarly affected re reporting and on benefits.
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December 4, 2013 5:10pm
wikiriwhis business

‘I wonder how she does the groceries then?’

Putaruru and tirau still have supermarkets as they are main thoroughfares.

The govt is set to divert roading away from them as they have done in other area’s.
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December 4, 2013 5:13pm
Pete George

Reid – the only information available about THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE PARTIES INVOLVED AT THE TIME is in the report. Did you base what you claimed on information from the report, or is based on no facts at all?
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December 4, 2013 5:13pm
Elaycee

Memo to all 330 members of the Police / OFCANZ / Customs involved in Operation Ghost:

To each and every one of you: Thank you.

Keep up the great work.

LAC

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11166891
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December 4, 2013 5:15pm
Pete George

The Electoral Commission says it has referred David Cunliffe’s tweeting to Police.

The Police don’t usually put much priority in electoral cases. I wonder if McCready would take it on.
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December 4, 2013 5:17pm
wikiriwhis business

‘Operation Ghost:’

Surely NZ is far too small for an operation this big.

No mention of gangs. I’m surprised. Many have dropped old enmities and banded together to do business.

Wonder how this will affect their strategies.
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December 4, 2013 5:19pm
goldnkiwi

wikiriwhis business (2,485 comments) says:

December 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

I wonder if she has the use of a car for groceries was the point or if someone takes her, or does she get them delivered, get a taxi home with them.

The only part I empathise with is there not being a day when WINZ goes to them. There is no WINZ Office where I live but they do come and meet people for appointments once a week. Otherwise people have to travel.
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December 4, 2013 5:22pm
wikiriwhis business

Bumper November for NZX

The New Zealand stock exchange had a jump in the volume and value of trades last month compared with November last year.

Forsyth Barr broker David Price said 2013 had probably been the best year for equity raising for about 25 years.

NZX monthly metrics showed total trades in the cash market were up 74.5 per cent to 141,143 last month compared with November last year.

The total value traded last month was $5.4 billion, up 76.9 per cent compared with the previous period.

Price said the increase in activity was a combination of more equity raisings or initial public offers (IPOs) and more placements, or 2POs.

“I’m actually trying to cast my mind back to a time when we actually had more in the way of raisings,” he said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9475052/Bumper-November-for-NZX

Would this be a direct result of the US Fed stimulus programme ?
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December 4, 2013 5:27pm
Reid

Did you base what you claimed on information from the report, or is based on no facts at all?

I based it on the same logic people who think men actually did land on the moon base their conclusion on Pete.

I didn’t need a report from NASA to draw that conclusion and I don’t need a report from Henry to draw that conclusion either.

So if you like you can decry I am drawing a conclusion based on no facts at all, but then you’d have to argue that you think that men didn’t land on the moon because I’m using the same logic in both cases.

So are you willing to argue that, or not?
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December 4, 2013 5:28pm
Pete George

There’s nothing to argue there Reid, you’re as nutty as Colin Craig.

I base my moon opinion on evidence including photos, audio, video and reports from many people, including John Key he says he believes Buzz Aldrin when he says he’s been there. I can search and find a huge amount of corroborating information and I’ve seen skeptics who have been debunked.

I base my Dunne opinion on evidence including first hand accounts and media claims by those involved, with no evidence to the contrary.

And you appear to have made up your story based on no facts.
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December 4, 2013 5:48pm
liarbors a joke

wheres the nutty Public Watchgoat..haven’t heard her blown her trumpet yet about Banksy..cant wait
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December 4, 2013 5:51pm
Reid

I base my Dunne opinion on evidence including first hand accounts and media claims by those involved, with no evidence to the contrary.

So do I Pete. We’re using the same material. It’s just when someone you’re infatuated with gets hoisted by their own petard, it’s hard to be objective about it, because we always look at the best in people we love, we never look at the worst, do we. Even when the facts indicate they’re guilty, we prefer not to believe it, don’t we.

That’s what’s happened here Pete. I’m sick of explaining it to someone who refuses to listen to reason so this is my last comment on the matter, suffice to say no-one in their right mind would have done what Dunne did if there really were nothing to see in those emails and that’s a fact, no matter how much you in your infatuation chose either consciously or subconsciously to ignore it. Further, observe that you and your hero are the only ones on your particular planet on this issue, and that should say a lot about the stability or otherwise of your conclusion.
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December 4, 2013 6:01pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwiblog goldfish!

Have a wee nibble on this 🙂

“How can NZ really be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ – when we STILL haven’t ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption?”

The 2013 Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’, has New Zealand and Denmark tied as 1st-equal, as the countries ‘perceived’ to be the least corrupt in the world.

http://www.transparency.org/news/pressrelease/corruption_perceptions_index_corruption_around_the_world_in_2013

Pity about the CORRUPTION REALITY?

If New Zealand was truly the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ – wouldn’t you think we would at least have ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption?

http://www.unodc.org/documents/treaties/UNCAC/Publications/Convention/08-50026_E.pdf

New Zealand can’t ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption – because our anti-corruption domestic legislative framework is STILL not yet in place.

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/treaties/CAC/signatories.html

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-tops-global-ranking-transparency-again

(Germany hasn’t yet ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption, and that’s where Transparency International is based!)

In my considered opinion, Transparency International’s ‘Corruption Perception Index’ is not worth the paper upon which it is written.

For a genuine New Zealand anti-corruption / pro-transparency framework – try this:

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

Please be reminded that in the recent 2013 Auckland Mayoral election, I polled 4th, with 11,723 votes, campaigning to ‘stop corrupt corporate control’ of the Auckland region, which is run ‘like a business, by business, for business’, through corporate-controlled ‘Council Controlled Organisations’ (CCOs).

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

These corporate-controlled ‘Council Controlled Organisations’, are heavily influenced, in my considered opinion, by the unelected, ‘invitation-only,’ $10,000 per year, private-sector lobby group, the Committee for Auckland, of which Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay, is a member.

http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz membership

I look forward to debating this on mainstream media, against anyone who has the courage to front on these issues, and who wants to help perpetrate this on-going myth and fraud that New Zealand warrants this above-mentioned ‘perceived’ status, of being the ‘least corrupt country in the world.’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11166639

FACTS which I have researched, in my considered opinion, disprove this ‘mantra,’ and I am very happy to share and discuss them.

Penny Bright

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference Brisbane
Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference Bangkok
Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference Sydney
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December 4, 2013 6:03pm
wikiriwhis business

‘“How can NZ really be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ – when we STILL haven’t ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption?”

This is someone who posts evidence with her assertations. I recognise her evidence before your denials of her evidence.
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December 4, 2013 6:06pm
Ross12

On one news item I hear Cunliffe reported as saying John Banks is a disgrace and he should leave Parliament immediately.
Then 30 minutes later I hear that the police are going to investigate Cunliffe breaking the law with his tweet.
How the hell can this idiot be a PM ???
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December 4, 2013 6:26pm
OneTrack

“To be clear, I think Colin Craig is very wrong on a great number of things, especially policy questions. I just think interview time with him could be better spent than with sniggering high-fives when he’s not looking.”

This IS the New Zealand LSM you are talking about. I doubt it gets any better than this.
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December 4, 2013 6:29pm
Kea

“How can NZ really be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ – when we STILL haven’t ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption?”

So one of the most corrupt organisations on earth get to decide who is corrupt and who is not ? 😐
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December 4, 2013 6:35pm
graham

Pete, re your 3:43 pm, where you deny having made an accusation against David Henry –

What you said on your website was:

And then Henry effectively accused him without evidence and also initiated salacious rumours that were false.

I’m sorry, I cannot see how anyone can say that this is not an accusation. I’m honestly stunned that you have the bare-faced audacity to make such a bald statement.

“And then Henry … initiated salacious rumours that were false.”

“No it’s not” (an accusation).

You’re either being deliberately misleading, or you don’t have a grasp of basic English. The following statement:

And then Henry effectively accused him without evidence and also initiated salacious rumours that were false.

is an accusation. I suspect you now wish you hadn’t said that, but there is simply no way you can try and claim you have not accused David Henry of starting these rumours. You have stated in black and white that he initiated these rumours. I really am quite shocked that you’re now trying to deny it.
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December 4, 2013 6:48pm
Pete George

I don’t regret anything graham. Reid is proof of what has eventuated from the Henry report. People like him make stuff up based on very little. From memory he is a twin towers conspiracy believer.

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make graham – do you believe the salacious rumours? Or do you think that Henry didn’t provide anything that would lead anyone to believe anything like that?
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December 4, 2013 6:57pm
hj

Diversity Divident Alert.
The 24 individuals arrested this morning are all New Zealand citizens or permanent residents. The average age of those arrested was 40-years-old.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11166891
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December 4, 2013 7:25pm
chiz

nickb:Yet if the laws have been changed so IRD can release to the police evidence of crime (if that is what happened in the current case) what criminal on earth is going to declare their income!?

Maybe the people involved tried to pass off their income as legitimate?
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December 4, 2013 7:53pm
nasska

A Muslim girl sobs to her teenage heartthrob, “My father says he’ll make sure that I’ll never see you again.”

“How, what’s he gonna do?”, the boyfriend asks.

“He’s covering the eye holes in my burqa.”
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December 4, 2013 8:00pm
nickb

This is someone who posts evidence with her assertations. I recognise her evidence before your denials of her evidence.

Moonbat status: confirmed.

Get a room people
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December 4, 2013 8:07pm
nasska

nickb

But what of the possible consequences of your suggestion? The union could be fruitful & you wouldn’t want the issue of such a coupling visited on the world…..

….surely! 🙂
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December 4, 2013 8:12pm
Kea

nasska,

FFS..

What are you posting this crap on Kiwiblog GD for?

Its all over the fucking net if you want to read jokes.

You sad loser.
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December 4, 2013 8:13pm
Kea

I know you’re funny Narsekissa, the presumptuous and dripping with arrogance smiley face at the end of every comment leaves no doubt.

😉
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December 4, 2013 8:15pm
nasska

Thanks Kea. I’ve been missing the abuse. 🙂
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December 4, 2013 8:16pm
nickb

And then Henry effectively accused him without evidence and also initiated salacious rumours that were false.

Would also be interested in seeing an explanation for this. Won’t hold my breath though.
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December 4, 2013 8:17pm
Judith

Damn, I thought for a minute Red was back. I was just reaching for my B & D outfit, when I saw it was posted by Kea. Such disappointment. 🙁
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December 4, 2013 8:20pm
goldnkiwi

chiz (1,032 comments) says:

December 4th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

Anecdotally I believe that the IRD is more feared than the police in some instances as their powers have at least in the past had longer reach.

I believe that there are/or were drug dealers and I can think of an illegal whisky/spirit maker who supposedly declared income to the ird. I am not sure how that affects the Proceeds of Crime Act or whether with law changes that that would still be the case.
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December 4, 2013 8:22pm
graham

What point am I trying to make, Pete? I believe it’s fairly obvious from the original post I wrote at 2:30.

You have accused David Henry of starting the “salacious rumours” about something going on between Dunne and Vance. I believe that you are being dishonest. Throughout the entire affair you have eagerly leapt to Dunne’s defence (which is fine) and, in so doing, have been more than willing to level accusations against a host of other people (which is not fine).

My point is that I do not consider it acceptable for you to level accusations which are, in this case, demonstrably false.
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December 4, 2013 8:35pm
Pete George

Well, we disagree. And I point out that many of my criticisms of the Henry inquiry months ago have been repeated by the Privileges Committee – it was a poor inquiry has been found to have overstepped boundaries to a worrying degree. And it failed to come up with any evidence, and it effectively accused a Minister with no evidence with significant repercussions for both the (now) MP) and for the journalist.

But you have always chosen to ignore the bigger issues and focus on minor aspects that you exaggerate out of all proportion.

It’s notable that you are now fixated on an accusation you claim I’ve made that is totally inconsequential, yet again ignore a far more serious accusation made by Henry that had no factual basis and had major consequences.

If some people had had their way an unsubstantiated accusation could have brought down the Government.

And you keep ignoring all that and choose to nit pick on semantics. I still fail to see what point you are trying to make. That people disagree on a blog? You’ve never revealed what your motives are for obsessively targeting me and ignoring far more significant and worse things going on.
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December 4, 2013 9:52pm
Manolo

Exposing Griff’s lies:
Global warming hysterics at the BBC warned us in 2007 that by summer 2013, the Arctic would be ice-free. As with so many other doomsday predictions by warmists, the results turn out to be quite the opposite.

A chilly Arctic summer has left 533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 29 per cent.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html#ixzz2mKA1Yk91
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December 5, 2013 5:51am
Manolo

What angle will the sycophant take tomorrow (Thursday) in GD’s debate to continue defending his master, the infatuated, leak-like-a-sieve MP?

A new day, a new excuse to continue fellating Dunne.
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December 5, 2013 5:56am
Pete George

You’re a sad bugger if those are your first thoughts of the day are Manolo, mired in yesterday. You’ve become Kiwiblog’s bitch queen, a manky moaner. You don’t seem to have much to look forward to.

There’s interesting things brewing, but not Cameron Brewer who has said he won’t jump waka and try to rescue Act.

A better option is being pursued, to bring back Rodney, if anyone can hold Epsom and save Act them it’s probably him. It would be extraordinarily difficult for a political novice to lead a party and win an electorate. John Banks found it very difficult to set up in Parliament and get up to speed after a decade’s absence.

Hide backed up by Boscawen doing the hard work in the background would make a strong team.

And there’s signs that Matthew Hooton may be going to start a new right wing party. I wonder who he’s lobbying for there.
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December 5, 2013 6:28am
Kea

Exposing Griff’s lies:
Global warming hysterics at the BBC warned us in 2007 that by summer 2013, the Arctic would be ice-free. As with so many other doomsday predictions by warmists, the results turn out to be quite the opposite.

A chilly Arctic summer has left 533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 29 per cent.

Manolo, Griff has been awfully quiet since that leaked IPCC report. I predicted he would disappear when the hoax was more widely exposed.

Here is another prediction: The Northern Hemisphere has been hit by a series of extremely harsh winters of a severity not seen for many years. I bet you a bag of gold to a knob of goat shit that this year will be as cold or worse. 😉
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December 5, 2013 7:05am
graham

Pete George at 9:52 pm –

So you apparently are sticking by the line that stating:

And then Henry … initiated salacious rumours that were false.

is not an accusation, and even if it were is “totally inconsequential.” So accusing people of doing something without any evidence is “totally inconsequential”? Really? That’s not the impression I had from all your railing against David Henry for having done, in your opinion, exactly the same thing to Peter Dunne.

I don’t know how else I can get my point across to you, Pete. I’ve tried writing in English, a language that I assumed you understood. Never mind. I rather think everybody else here understands the point quite well indeed.
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December 5, 2013 7:21am
Pete George

You could get your point across if you were open and honest.

The main point is, you’re not being open about your targeting motives. You go from blog to blog insisting I answer your questions, you keep trying to reframe what I say, but you keep avoiding fronting up when you’re asked anything. That shows a lack of honesty. But some things are obvious.
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December 5, 2013 7:34am
graham

Pete:

I have been open and honest. I stated right at the beginning my “motive” if you wish; quite simply that during a discussion on your website you claimed that it was David Henry who started off the salacious rumours about something going on between Dunne and Vance. I questioned this, and you have tried to muddy the waters, turn things around, and pretend that you didn’t say what you said and even if you had said it it was inconsequential.

I’m not insisting you answer my questions. I asked an honest question on your blog, you didn’t answer it, so I came to Kiwiblog to see if anybody here could answer the question. Because I think it’s quite important when someone raises a point and makes quite a serious accusation like you have done to get the facts right. If you choose not to answer a question that’s fine, but I fail to see why you’re getting all pissy simply because I come to another blog to see if somebody else can answer the question.

I have not reframed what you said. I have quoted it word for word. If you like I’ll even link back to your blog so people can see for themselves.

http://yournz.org/2013/12/03/dunne-back-as-minister/

you keep avoiding fronting up when you’re asked anything

So now you’re the one insisting I answer your questions?
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December 5, 2013 8:39am
Pete George

Because I think it’s quite important when someone raises a point and makes quite a serious accusation like you have done to get the facts right.

Will you join the many critics of David Henry, who made a serious accusation without getting the facts right?

Do you agree with the Privileges Committee criticisms of the Henry inquiry?
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