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Manolo

Johnboy, I knew all along you were part of Team Nigella. Who could blame you?
A weakness for rubenesque figures is never a sin.
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December 21, 2013 4:54pm
Johnboy

All women should have a body like hers Manolo! 🙂

Being able to cook like her would also be a bonus but not really necessary!! 🙂 🙂
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December 21, 2013 4:56pm
Ross12

Well it is starting to hit the fan in the UK with it’s stupid energy policy. Many have been saying this would happen for a number of years now. Now it’s nearly there.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/10528157/Hundreds-of-businesses-to-be-paid-to-switch-off-to-prevent-blackouts.html

In last 30 days the UK imported more GW ( electricity) from Holland and France Interconnectors than it’s own wind industry produced. It is not the peak of winter yet!! So much for their much vaunted renewable electricity industry. I hope Norman & co take note. No wonder Germany is quietly building coal fired power stations as fast as it can.
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December 21, 2013 5:07pm
Tom Jackson

We’re building a massive piece of public infrastructure for Auckland, for cyclists & pedestrians, and even those that contribute absolutely nothing, or try to sabotage the country, will be welcome to enjoy it. Any Watermelons want to show up and start spouting luddite socialist crap at me..I’ll be here for a couple more hours…:)

I’ll bite.

Public infrastructure is generally paid for by taxation. Your company is sucking at the public teat, and denying a genuine wealth creator the opportunity to set a market price for said piece of infrastructure. 🙂
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December 21, 2013 5:18pm
Johnboy

I can see the coal trains powering up behind 5 DX’s to drag the coal over the hump to Lytellton for on-shipment to Germany! 🙂

Rot in hell Norman and your scum! 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkEnbArkP_k
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December 21, 2013 5:20pm
Tom Jackson

How on earth is this a scandal?

Last time I checked, the ‘living wage’ is just some number dreamt up by some turkey.

Generally, it’s what is required to live a decent life and provide one for your children. In New Zealand, the government tends to provide welfare supplements such as WFF to offset low wages, so you are already paying for it as well as subsidising inefficient businesses.
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December 21, 2013 5:21pm
OneTrack

“So much for their much vaunted renewable electricity industry. I hope Norman & co take note. ”

I am sure they are. It would go something like this – “Excellent, our master plan is working. Soon we will be back to the pre-industrial age. All hail to Gaia”
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December 21, 2013 5:29pm
Manolo

The WSJ opines: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304367204579270252042143502
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December 21, 2013 5:33pm
Nostradamus

Goodness – WI now 103/9.

Looks like some showers forecast tomorrow. Hopefully the NZ team has learnt something from the unforgivable draw in Dunedin – don’t stuff around blocking – get the winning runs quickly!
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December 21, 2013 5:36pm
wat dabney

“The new stuff is simply cultural Marxism.”

If Marxism means anything it means controlling other people’s lives and dictating what they can and can’t do.

So will you fake and hypocritical “Christians” please stop with your cultural Marxism.
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December 21, 2013 5:51pm
Jack5

Time for a new General Debate bone to gnaw on.

One for the wowsers!

The Economist in a December 21 praises Scotland for raising booze prices with the setting of Government-mandated minimum prices.

It says:

Including lost output, the harm from alcohol costs Europe and America around 1.5 per cent of national income.

The Scottish Government is fixing a minimum price for all alcohol drinks per unit of alcohol.

This is hitting strong and cheap drinks, reportedly trebling the price of some supermarket ciders and pushing up cheap vodka by about eight NZ dollars a bottle and of some whiskies by about $7 a bottle.

The Guardian reported Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s Minister of Health, as saying a minimum price was essential to help tackle the high death toll and health burden from alcohol abuse in Scotland, which drinks 25 per cent more per head of population than the rest of the UK.

IMHO, Scotland’s problem may be genetic, as other far-north Europeans such as the Scandinavians and Russians and the Irish have big booze problems. If the anecdotes I hear are accurate, researchers might well be able to find that Southlanders and Otago-ans include a higher proportion of pissheads than most NZ groups.

Some other groups are noted for being prone to alcohol problems, including North American Indians, Melanesians, and Polynesians. Some people think this may be because these groups, and perhaps far-north Europeans, have had alcohol in their societies for far less time than say Jews, Chinese, and Italians, who have lived with the joys and perils of alcohol for millenia. The thinking is that over many centuries in these latter societies, without welfare and the Salvation Army and other do-gooders, evolution thinned out many or most alcoholics.

Cheers!
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December 21, 2013 5:54pm
wat dabney

Scottish MPs will soon find that minimum alcohol pricing is illegal under EU law.
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December 21, 2013 6:04pm
Johnboy

That’s bloody sad wat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRjyLbSDJz8

Scotland forever! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 6:10pm
kowtow

wart dumney

It’s about “equality”.

Gender,sexual,etc

Marxism seeks to destroy capitalism and the route now is through cultural Marxism.

If you fail to see that due to your blind hatred of Christianity,that is your problem/
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December 21, 2013 6:42pm
wat dabney

kowtow,

It’s about liberty.
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December 21, 2013 6:47pm
Scott Chris

All women should have a body like hers Manolo!

Bet she lets her garden run wild too Johnboy. Nice and wooly.
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December 21, 2013 6:58pm
ShawnLH

“it’s about liberty”

Who’s version of “liberty”?

There is no real liberty in NZ. We are a Liberal theocracy ruled by Cultural Marxists and perverts.
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December 21, 2013 7:02pm
Scott Chris

Len Brown’s favourite tune:

Or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_8IXx4tsus
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December 21, 2013 7:03pm
ShawnLH

The march of Cultural Marxism in Liberal Democracy continues :

“Feminist scholar Arielle Schlesinger has embarked on a radical new project to transform the world of computing by doing research into the creation of a feminist programming language that will be freed from the constraints of oppressive man-logic and other patriarchal modes of thinking.”

http://alternativeright.com/blog/category/the-hilarity-of-postmodernism-feminist-programming-languages
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December 21, 2013 7:08pm
nasska

ShawnLH

Short of anarchism there’s not much chance of pure freedom or liberty in a human society. Some rules & social norms are the oil that lubricates our day to day dealings with our fellow men. The trick is minimising law to the least possible & reigning in the excesses of those who seek to represent us.

Having been brought up in the 50’s I reckon that I’ve seen over vigorous political rule & over vigorous religious influence in the affairs of NZ citizens. Probably a little of each is about ideal. NZ has developed into a centrist & secular nation.

It seems to me that we’ve got it about right.
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December 21, 2013 7:20pm
Johnboy

That’s brought a tear to my eye nasska. I think you should write a book about the best days of NZ before they are buried under a plethora of political correctness and newspeak culture.

Don’t forget to mention the strength of NZR cups eh! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 7:27pm
nasska

How about “Nostagia NZ” for a working title JB? 🙂
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December 21, 2013 7:31pm
Johnboy

It’s worth a shot nasska but I think it might have already been taken! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 7:33pm
Johnboy

Ask Judith. She’ll know! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 7:34pm
Johnboy

She’s not talking at the mo. I suspect I’ve upset her! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 7:34pm
Johnboy

Writing your vast extravaganza of a novel in a darkened doorway opposite a brightly lit nightclub could give it serious angst nasska. Sort of Hemmingwayesque so to speak! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 7:40pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

What did you do to upset Judith? Oh, don’t tell me, you said mean things about Bain, didn’t you? 🙂
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December 21, 2013 7:41pm
Johnboy

Not at all old chap I merely asked her if she was a teacher based on a comment she made.

I suspect she is and feels like a complete heel from not supporting Hekia properly so has gone into a bit of a huff.

I’m sure she will recover shortly.

Nice of you to be concerned I’m sure! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 7:45pm
nasska

No way JB….I’ve heard that brightly lit nightclub exteriors situated opposite darkened doorways rival ‘no man’s land’ between WW1 trenches for mortal danger. 🙂
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December 21, 2013 7:47pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

You certainly seem to have a way with the ladies – first Penny Bright, now Judith! Who’s next – Harriet? Even though it’s supposedly a guy using a girl’s name? Does that interest you?
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December 21, 2013 7:47pm
Johnboy

Mere dalliances Nostradamus. Yvette was my one true love! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 7:49pm
Nostradamus

You and Yvette seemed to enjoy Spanish as I recall Johnboy (if you know what I mean…)
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December 21, 2013 7:51pm
Johnboy

I have to say though that the thought of Lucia in her boots has saved me from using so much Viagra! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 7:52pm
stigie

Fuck, the mind boggles you guys !
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December 21, 2013 7:55pm
Johnboy

Yvette and I did a lot of French not Spanish Nostradamus! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 8:00pm
nasska

What does a South Auckland girl put behind her ears to make her
more attractive?
Her ankles.

What is the difference between a South Auckland girl & an
elephant?
About 20kg.
How do you equalize the two?
Feed the elephant.

What’s the first things a South Auckland girl does in the morning?
She introduces herself.
Then she walks home.

How do you get a South Auckland girl into your bed?
Grease her hips so she’ll fit through the door &
throw a bucket of Kentucky Fried onto the duvet.
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December 21, 2013 8:00pm
stigie

Ole Reddy must be due any day soon ?
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December 21, 2013 8:13pm
nasska

He could be a bit longer yet stigie….last time it took about a year before he slithered back on his belly hoping that no one would notice. 🙂
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December 21, 2013 8:15pm
kowtow

A Labour lesbian introduces the biggest change to marriage this country has ever seen,all in the name of “equality”.A good proportion of the Notional parliamentary party support it and here posters who claim to be on the right of the political spectrum
say “It seems to me we’ve got it about right” and “it’s about liberty”.

Lenin would be proud of his “useful idiots”.
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December 21, 2013 8:16pm
stigie

I reckon he will be back sooner than that Nassie as election year is just about upon us.

He wont be able to help himself if you are nice to him ole chap !!~
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December 21, 2013 8:22pm
Johnboy

I’d luv to know who is giving me all the downthumbs?

I’d suspect it’s that little wanking turd nosti-nz but who knows? 🙂

Come and tell me whoever you are.
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December 21, 2013 8:23pm
nasska

I was a bit concerned by the scaremongering leading up to the legislation enabling gay marriage kowtow.

Imagine the relief that I now feel when I realise that my marriage is exactly the same as it was a year ago. 🙂
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December 21, 2013 8:24pm
Johnboy

If the powers that be decide you have to divorce your wife and marry a chap nasska give me a call.

I’m sure we could be mutually compatible! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 8:28pm
nasska

….”I reckon he will be back sooner than that”…

Not a chance stigie…..he’s happy at Twitter tweeting like a tween.

Keep it to yourself but Justin Bieber & baity are others’ favourites. 🙂
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December 21, 2013 8:28pm
stigie

Hells bells, Johnboy and Nasska. Cant fault that !
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December 21, 2013 8:34pm
nasska

….”If the powers that be decide you have to divorce your wife and marry a chap”…..

It seems that the insertion of a small clause into the legislation to the effect that gay Marriage be compulsory rather than voluntary is planned in the near future.

Do you think that kowtow & the rest of the Godwhacks know? 🙂
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December 21, 2013 8:35pm
Johnboy

I only have a small clause that I get to insert so it all seems OK with me really.
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December 21, 2013 8:37pm
nasska

….:Hells bells, Johnboy and Nasska. Cant fault that”…..

Not a hope stigie…..it would never work.

JB’s a Pisces & I’m a Scorpio. 🙂
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December 21, 2013 8:56pm
Johnboy

Fuck off nasska. I’m a Capricorn. Never take a chance on a randy old goat! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 9:02pm
thedavincimode

LOL, kowtow, a tragic bitter hypocritical little fuck – so the rest of us don’t have to be!! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 9:08pm
thedavincimode

It seems that the insertion of a small clause into the legislation to the effect that ~~gay Marriage~~ rampant bum sex be compulsory rather than voluntary is planned in the near future.

I think that’s what you meant to say nasska!
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December 21, 2013 9:11pm
stigie

So it wasnt santa clause then ?
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December 21, 2013 9:19pm
nasska

If I could turn back the clock I would phrase that way Davinci. 🙂
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December 21, 2013 9:21pm
Johnboy

No need to worry about your piles when the socialists force us to marry nasska. I only bum sheep! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 9:25pm
Johnboy

Judith has gone very quiet. Perhaps I hit a nerve with the “Teacher” gambit? 🙂
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December 21, 2013 9:28pm
thedavincimode

JB

She’s busy stabbing pins into her Metcalph doll.
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December 21, 2013 9:34pm
stigie

I think shes pissed off with you Johnboy, the same as Reddy is pissed off with Nasska !
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December 21, 2013 9:34pm
Johnboy

Cant imagine why she should be pissed with me. I always ask her questions politely!
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December 21, 2013 9:39pm
Johnboy

Oh. The JB thumbs down monster seems to have fucked off.

Does Nosti-nz have to go to bed by 8:30 as part of his parole conditions? 🙂
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December 21, 2013 9:46pm
Johnboy

Oh no he has just woken up again. 🙂
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December 21, 2013 9:49pm
Johnboy

You’ve missed the last two old chap! 🙂

Make that three! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 9:52pm
Johnboy

Give it to me babe. I want a minus experience and I want it NOW!! 🙂
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December 21, 2013 9:55pm
Viking2

that’ll be Reddy stalking ya JB 😯
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December 21, 2013 10:20pm
stigie

Beware of Reddy JB !!
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December 21, 2013 10:22pm
Viking2

Jay and Micheal worked together and both were laid off, so they went to the unemployment office. When asked his occupation, Jay answered, “Panty Stitcher. I sew the elastic onto ladies’ cotton panties.”

The clerk looked up Panty Stitcher. Finding it classified as “unskilled labor,” she gave him $300 a week unemployment pay.

Micheal was asked his occupation. “Diesel Fitter,” he replied. Since diesel fitter was a skilled job, the clerk gave Michael Sweet $600 a week.

When Jay Marshall found out he was furious. He stormed back into the office to find out why his friend and co-worker was collecting double his pay.

The clerk explained, “Panty stitchers are unskilled and diesel fitters are skilled labor”

“What skill?!” yelled Jay. “I sew the elastic on the panties, Michael puts them over his head and says: ‘Yep, diesel fitter.'”
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December 21, 2013 10:23pm
ShawnLH

nasska,

“Short of anarchism there’s not much chance of pure freedom or liberty in a human society. Some rules & social norms are the oil that lubricates our day to day dealings with our fellow men.”

Of course. But who sets those rules and norms? The State? Fickle, ever changing democratic majorities? The pretense of democracy that is anything but?

Who decides? And what qualifies them to do so?

The reality is that the State is larger and more intrusive than ever before. Far from having it “about right” we have become serfs and slaves to a Leviathan State that tolerates only a very small amount of democracy while retaining most decisions to itself.

We live in Liberal theocracy that tolerates no real, serious descent from the Liberal status-quo.

Anarcho-Capitalism is the only answer. The State must go.
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December 21, 2013 10:23pm
Viking2

All the organs of the body were having a meeting, trying to decide who was in charge.
The brain said: “I should be in charge, because I run all the body’s systems, so without me nothing would happen.”
“I should be in charge,” said the heart, “because I pump the blood and circulate oxygen all over the body, so without me you’d all waste away.”
“I should be in charge,” said the stomach, “because I process food and give all of you energy.”
“I should be in charge,” said the rectum, “because I’m responsible for waste removal.”
All the other body parts laughed at the rectum and insulted him, so in a huff, he shut down tight. Within a few days, the brain had a terrible headache, the stomach was bloated, and the blood was toxic. Eventually the other organs gave in. They all agreed that the rectum should be the boss.

The moral of the story? You don’t have to be smart or important to be in charge… just an asshole.
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December 21, 2013 10:23pm
Viking2

A Russian couple was walking down the street in St Petersburg when the man
felt a drop hit his nose. “I think it’s raining,â€ he said to his wife.

“No, that felt more like snow to me.” She replied.

“No, I’m sure it was just rain, “ he said. They were about to have a major
argument when they saw a communist party official walking towards them.

“Let’s not fight about it, “the man said. “Let’s ask Comrade Rudolph
whether it’s officially raining or snowing”.

As the official approached, the man said “Tell us, Comrade Rudolph
whether it is officially raining or snowing?”

“It’s raining of course,” he answered and walked on. But the woman insisted
“I know that felt like snow!”

To which the man replied quietly,

“Rudolph the Red knows rain, dear!
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December 21, 2013 10:34pm
gump

@kowtow

“A Labour lesbian introduces the biggest change to marriage this country has ever seen,all in the name of “equality”.A good proportion of the Notional parliamentary party support it and here posters who claim to be on the right of the political spectrum
say “It seems to me we’ve got it about right” and “it’s about liberty”.

———————–

The issue of marriage equality has nothing to do with the political left or the political right.

That’s probably why you can’t understand it.
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