General Debate 1 December 2013

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Judith

@ nickb (3,166) Says:
December 1st, 2013 at 2:44 pm

There’s that obsession again – have you thought of getting any help for your constant and persistent habit of referring everything back to Bain?
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December 1, 2013 2:45pm
thedavincimode

“It’s lonely on high” Judith sighs
“How I crave intellectual highs”
But any mention of Bain
Drives the poor thing insane
And Her majesty withers and dies
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December 1, 2013 2:47pm
nickb

Judy,

In the last year I have mentioned the Bainiac exactly twice on this blog. And only to highlight the irony of a Bainiac supporter attacking others for a lack of logic.

That is compared to the tortured month-long rants which stretched out to 5,000 comments every time a Bain thread was started. In which you were the main antagonist.

So why don’t you go back to your knitting?
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December 1, 2013 2:47pm
Judith

@ Viking2 (10,194) Says:
December 1st, 2013 at 2:37 pm

Thank you for the compliment, although I am not quite sure why you would think I have a superior intellect. Have you ever read any information on communication and the role of the receiver, and their ability to interpret material according to their own particular values and mores? I suggest you do.
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December 1, 2013 2:48pm
Kea

Did you read his soft porn rag

This can mean only one of two things:

1. Rowan prefers hard porn.

2. Rowan finds the sight of an attractive young ladies breasts “offensive” and “disturbing”.

Rowan sounds a bit weird if you ask me.
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December 1, 2013 2:49pm
wikiriwhis business

Moroney said the lack of information sharing in a country as small as New Zealand was “an extremely serious mistake”.

“It’s gobsmacking that government agencies cannot share information.”

Steven Joyce’s mega Ministry of Information surely makes info sharing possible between govt dept’s.

Obviously only the public’s info ~personal and private~ can be shared.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9462859/CYF-did-not-put-alert-on-file
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December 1, 2013 2:50pm
thedavincimode

Looks like the balloon has gone up!
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December 1, 2013 2:51pm
Kea

Judith, do you support Whales right to say what he likes on his blog or not ?

1. Provide reasons.

2. Bake some scones 😉
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December 1, 2013 2:51pm
Pete George

personal attacks are all good fun. KB is richer for it.

Kea, your personal preferences may be clouding judgement. A small number of people using KB think it’s their playground to use and abuse as they like. But the wider reputation of KB and of DPF are not the richer for it – DPF gets the blame for a lot of the crappy behaviour that passes as “all good fun” here. I’ve seen many people elsewhere saying they won’t comment here because of the bullying culture that some try to protect – by attacking anyone who calls them on it.

If you don’t like being called on the worst of your behaviour by DPF then cry to him, not to me.
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December 1, 2013 2:51pm
Judith

@ nickb (3,167) Says:
December 1st, 2013 at 2:47 pm

Are you trying to silence the voice of opposition Nick? Why would you do that? Surely a blog such as this is about debate, is it not? In order to debate something, there must be opposing view points. Or do you just come on here to comment and expect everyone to pat your back, and agree with what is said?

This blog wouldn’t have lasted five minutes if there was no difference in opinion. Yes, I’m passionate about the Bain case, but I comment on a vast variety of subjects which are of interest to me, and will continue to do so, unless DPF decides otherwise.
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December 1, 2013 2:51pm
thedavincimode

Have you ever read any information on communication and the role of the receiver, and their ability to interpret material according to their own particular values and mores? I suggest you do.

Irony much? 😆
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December 1, 2013 2:52pm
wikiriwhis business

‘Thank you for the compliment, ‘

Were you not upset he made no mention of thighs.

That stanza was practically begging for thighs!
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December 1, 2013 2:52pm
nasska

Disagree Judith. Journalism is a job description adopted by rather poorly paid people who fill the gaps between advertisements with abridged press releases from PR hacks. It has little in common with the professional standards of old where stories were researched & the grubby secrets of our leaders were unravelled.

What Whale does may offend some but it is closer to the traditional functions of the fourth estate than just about anything else that purports to be modern journalism.
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December 1, 2013 2:53pm
Judith

@ Kea (9,103) Says:
December 1st, 2013 at 2:51 pm

I have no problem with Whaleoil saying what he likes on his blog, I have a problem with him hiding like a wimp behind the umbrella of journalism. He is not a journalist, he is a blogger.

Bake your own bloody scones, I sold my recipe to the tyre company.
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December 1, 2013 2:54pm
nickb

Are you trying to silence the voice of opposition Nick?

Irony bypass alert!
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December 1, 2013 2:54pm
Rowan

The best of the journalists I have come across in terms of accurately reporting would be Mike White from North and South, he presents the facts and gives a good well reasoned argument for his position. His latest book on the Scott Guy case was excellent and really gave a good perspective on the case. The aim was not to exonerate EM but it considered the all the arguments and the evidence and showed why it is highly illogical that EM is the killer.

There are some really bad examples of journalist wannabies out there i.e. Whale and some fairly average journalists i.e. Ian Wishart who is to much of a conspiracy theorist and MVB who is far to close to his brother in blue to accurately report crime. I’ve never read any suggestion in any of his opinion pieces on criminal cases that either (a) considers the defendent to be innocent or (b) accurately states the defence case without gross misrepresentation.
I wonder if he is going to get started on Lundy as his next target for his hate pieces.
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December 1, 2013 2:55pm
Judith

@ nasska (8,220) Says:
December 1st, 2013 at 2:53 pm

I guess it depends on which particular political perspective you are looking from. There are many left wing blogs that have come under criticism here, that provide similar content as the Whale, except of course, from the opposite end of the continuum.

If Whale is a journalist, then so are they.
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December 1, 2013 2:57pm
wikiriwhis business

‘Bake your own bloody scones, I sold my recipe to the tyre company.’

I’d like to see the size of your scones!

(Said just before thought policing becomes legal. Interpretation is everything in an age of no context)
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December 1, 2013 2:59pm
Kea

Judith, he should not have to hide if the “authorities” are not trying restrict his freedom of expression. The real issue here is not whether he is a journalist, but freedom of speech.

“Bake your own bloody scones”

You are never going to get your claws into a man with that attitude dear !
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December 1, 2013 3:00pm
Keeping Stock

Two words for you Tom Jackson (1.24pm); Aaron Gilmore. Have you already forgotten how Patrick Gower and co (decent journalists, trained and skilled) hounded him out of Parliament. That was a media feeding frenzy of the worst kind.
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December 1, 2013 3:01pm
Rowan

No Kea
If I wanted to view porn then I wouldn’t use the newspapers, There is a place for it if you want to view such things. The papers should be kept for newsworthy items and advertisments for hookers and brothels is not one of them. As Judith says he is a blogger and not a journalist and shouldn’t try to pass himself of as one.
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December 1, 2013 3:03pm
Judith

@ Kea (9,104) Says:
December 1st, 2013 at 3:00 pm

I’ve had my ‘claws’ in the same man for decades. He hates my scones, which he thinks are like rubber, however, I have other attributes he adores. He’s a real man, and therefore a handful. Enough of one to know I couldn’t handle two – so no, I am not looking to get my claws into a man, and if I was, the last thing I would do, is bake him scones. My chocolate cake on the other hand, is an ol’ boy favourite.
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December 1, 2013 3:06pm
Kea

the bullying culture

PG, like using this blog to persecute a couple of school children and label them rapists ? Like demanding your views be heard in an echo chamber, regardless of how absurd or unjust they are ?

You lying repugnant sack of sanctimonious shit. You are the coward who runs to David demanding people who call you out on your bullshit be silenced. You are a disgusting and dangerous social misfit.
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December 1, 2013 3:06pm
Kea

however, I have other attributes he adores.

Judith, expand on that point…

I’ve had my ‘claws’ in the same man for decades…He’s a real man, and therefore a handful.

Good for you. It shows you are a real woman and have strength of character (Plus some other attributes yet to be revealed) 🙂
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December 1, 2013 3:12pm
nasska

…..”I’ve seen many people elsewhere saying they won’t comment here because of the bullying culture that some try to protect”….

You could be flying a kite there PG….things can get a bit heated occasionally but surely if a person holds a view that is not shared by all they can expect robust challenges.

It’s called debate, not bullying.
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December 1, 2013 3:16pm
Kea

No Kea
If I wanted to view porn then I wouldn’t use the newspapers, There is a place for it if you want to view such things. The papers should be kept for newsworthy items and advertisments for hookers and brothels is not one of them

1. Where do you recommend ?

2. Hookers and brothels are legal businesses, just like a shop selling bibles or something (though most of what is written in the bible is highly illegal). That aside, where do you suggest one shops for such services ?
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December 1, 2013 3:17pm
gump

@Kea

“You are a disgusting and dangerous social misfit”

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That’s funny. I often think the same thing about you Kea.
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December 1, 2013 3:22pm
Kea

gump, I know you do buddy 😉

Read this to cheer you up:

Kea on Kiwiblog – rape culture and abuse

http://yournz.org/2013/11/09/kea-on-kiwiblog-rape-culture-and-abuse/
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December 1, 2013 3:23pm
Jack5

Rowan posted at 2.45 about Whale Oil:

He is in no way a journalist, just an attention seeking big mouthed prat.

At least, Rowan, Whale isn’t licking Mayor Bonking Brown’s arse.

If it wasn’t for Whale, would the amazing sex life of Bonking Brown been known by Auckland ratepayers?

Rowan you are far too precious on who is or is not a journalist. Who gives fuck? It’s not as important as the standard needed for a brain surgeon, a dentist, a plumber-gas fitter or an electrician.

However, on the definition of “journalist” the US Senate has recently grappled with the question in drafting a media shield law to protect journalists’ confidential sources, the Huffington Post reports.

Thomas Kent, deputy managing editor and standards editor of the Associated Press, says in the Huffington Post piece (from early this year) that the draft law’s definition of a journalist echoes a clear new trend in describing what a journalist is. It moves away from the tradition of saying a journalist is someone linked to a traditional media organization or who gathers news “for gain or livelihood.”

Instead, the bill approved by the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee is closer in spirit to the idea that journalism is an activity rather than a job.

Link to the Huffington piece:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thomas-kent/whos-a-journalist-closing_b_4033856.html

Link to the US draft law:

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/legislation/mediashield/Feinstein/ALB13767.pdf
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December 1, 2013 3:25pm
Judith

@ Nasska

I think when it comes to ‘freedom of speech’ there is a responsibility. There is a vast difference in saying something just because you can, and saying something because it contributes to the greater good.

In my opinion WO is too fond of saying things just because he can. A wise person would have handled the information he found himself in possession of, in a manner that achieved the most advantage for his goals. In doing what he did, in the way he did, he has actually ended up negating what he was trying to achieve in my opinion.

The Brown ‘affair’ has been shockingly handled. Brown should be facing the axe. In the end ‘newtons cradle’ has swung, and it looks like it might hit WO right between the legs because he has left himself exposed. If he is not careful, sympathy will end up going to Brown because of WO’s overt approach. Everyone hates a bully, and WO risks coming across as one to those less au fait with the details. That is not smart.
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December 1, 2013 3:29pm
Pete George

like using this blog to persecute a couple of school children and label them rapists ?

I didn’t do that – you keep accusing me of that. It’s a baseless lie.

Like demanding your views be heard in an echo chamber, regardless of how absurd or unjust they are ?

I’ve never demanded my views be heard. As far as I’m aware we all read comments here of our own free will.

You lying repugnant sack of sanctimonious shit. You are the coward who runs to David demanding people who call you out on your bullshit be silenced.

That’s false. I emailed DPF and this is exactly what I said – “I have to deal with a lot of abuse on Kiwiblog and just deal with it. Kea is often over the top with different people – but this time I think he’s well over the line, particularly considering the topic.”

He decided what action to take – and he said others had also advised him of your comment, it was obviously over a very liberal KB line. I wasn’t a coward. I openly challenged you and warned you, and you chose to go even more nuts, which left me with the option of reporting it. Others warned about the obvious consequences.

Get over it. Crying about it here won’t change anything, unless you crave a handful of sympathy thumbs.

Does what you said yesterday still stand? “I notice you attacked the messenger and not the content. I take it then you must acknowledge the truth of the content, as you would have said so if you had any evidence to refute it. “
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December 1, 2013 3:31pm
Rowan

Well Kea
one at a time
Brothels, strip clubs if you want to view actual sex workers, yes they are all legal. Pornographic magazines i.e. Penthouse etc do have locations of such establishments in addition to the many images they contain.

Without getting into a religous debate with you and regardless of whatever any individuals religous beliefs are, how is whats written in the bible illegal? point out specifically what legislation it is breaking and how this constitutes ‘illegal’

In terms of where does one shop for these services, as mentioned above sexual magazines, internet, business names and locations are all listed in the yellow pages. Are you missing Whales porn rag Kea? did you need it to look at the sex advertisments and jack of while reading his bigoted views on different current events?
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December 1, 2013 3:32pm
Jack5

Ah Rowan, I see you’re into the “INNOCENT” (2.55 post)

The Scott case, the Lundy case.

An anti-police conspiracy theorist. I regret going to the trouble of making a serious reply to your attack on Whale.

Your assessment of “journalists” is worthless.
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December 1, 2013 3:32pm
Kea

The implications of that ruling against Whale are highly disturbing.

Anyone who supports it needs to do a bit of thinking about what this means. It might help them to consider the scenario in the context of someone they do support being forced to reveal sources and singled out in this way.

It is a fucking disgrace and lowers my opinion of our legal system substantially.
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December 1, 2013 3:34pm
Kea

Rowan, I said what is in the book.

Here are a few examples:

1. Rape.

2. Slavery.

3. Genocide.

4. Infanticide.

5. Mass murder.

6. Torture.

7. Destruction of property.

I just assumed you had read at least some of it. Sorry for the misunderstanding and thanks for your tips on accessing sex workers and non-soft porn 🙂
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December 1, 2013 3:38pm
Pete George

Kea, I posted that on YourNZ because I didn’t know if DPF would do anything and there needed to be a consequence.

You think you’re immune from consequences and are protected here by your anonymity, I’m not so I use ways of putting facts on record to protect myself. I’ll delete the post if you give me a good enough reason to.
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December 1, 2013 3:39pm
nasska

….”did you need it to look at the sex advertisments(sic) and jack of(sic) while reading his bigoted views on different current events?”….

Ever think of chucking the offending centre section in the nearest rubbish bin while you filled in for Patricia Bartlett on the rest of the publication? 🙂
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December 1, 2013 3:41pm
Rowan

Righto Jack
I see the police can do no wrong in your eyes and there everyone tried in the courts is ‘guilty as charged’. Believing that on occassions the police have got it wrong doesn’t make one a conspiracy theorist.
Why should Len Brown be tried by the media for what he did? its his business not yours.
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December 1, 2013 3:42pm
Kea

PG, so you and a few other cowards banded together about “my comment”.

You know what happens when you get two cowards banding together ? : Twice as much cowardice.

So tell me exactly what was wrong with my comment ? I accused you of nothing. Unlike you accusing school kids, me, and other men of being either rapists or soft on rape.

1. Kea (8,949) Says:
November 8th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

Judith & PG, sorry but the lies of anti male hate groups do not count as evidence or fact.

What does [creeps name removed by Kea], Graham Capill, and every rapist and kiddy fiddler have in common ? : They would all very strongly oppose rape if you asked them.

PG is totally full of shit and is not being honest about his motivation for this crusade.

[DPF: Beyond totally unacceptable. 50 demerits and two week ban]
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December 1, 2013 3:43pm
Jack5

Re Rowan at 3.32.

How did Rowan know these sex advertisements were there?

Many of us (including me) never saw a copy of Whale’s Truth so we didn’t know about this stuff.

Now Rowan, you’ll need a better answer than it was common knowledge.

Or which target of Whale’s offended you?
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December 1, 2013 3:47pm
nasska

Judith

I doubt that Whale will be very concerned about his personal popularity…..that’s not the way he works & from his POV it makes him more effective in what he does. Neither will litigation….the poor bugger’s got stuff all to lose.

I still hold to the theory that if he had taken a softly, softly approach it would have given Lying Len’s mates a chance to bury the story.
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December 1, 2013 3:48pm
Kea

Pete George (19,979) Says:
December 1st, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Kea, I posted that on YourNZ because I didn’t know if DPF would do anything and there needed to be a consequence.

You think you’re immune from consequences and are protected here by your anonymity, I’m not so I use ways of putting facts on record to protect myself. I’ll delete the post if you give me a good enough reason to.

LOL 🙂

PG just when I thought you could be no more of an arrogant sanctimonious prig, you pull this out of the hat.

I want you to leave that post there and I encourage everyone to read it, ALL OF IT.

Kea on Kiwiblog – rape culture and abuse

http://yournz.org/2013/11/09/kea-on-kiwiblog-rape-culture-and-abuse/

I am not seeking, nor do I want, your approval. Get it through your thick head weirdo.
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December 1, 2013 3:50pm
Pete George

@Kea

Unlike you accusing school kids, me, and other men of being either rapists or soft on rape.

A repeat of that accusation, which is a blatant lie.

PG is totally full of shit and is not being honest about his motivation for this crusade.

No, you keep bringing it up, not me.

What is your motivation for your crusade against women, lesbians, Rape Crisis, Women’s Refuge and anyone who challenges your bull and bravado? (I don’t expect you to answer that here, just making a point and will leave it at that).
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December 1, 2013 3:53pm
Jack5

Rowan posted at 3.42:

Why should Len Brown be tried by the media for what he did? its his business not yours.

Rowan, agreed that his sexual behaviour is his own business (or his, his partner’s and his family’s business), though Auckland ratepayers are entitled to be influenced by it in their assessment of Brown’s character.

The interesting stuff is what was or done in connection with the relationship, such as if any administrative lines were crossed in appointments or perks or such. I don’t know or even suggest that such lines were crossed, but whether they were or were not is surely public business in the case of such a public and political figure.
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December 1, 2013 3:56pm
Reid

For Nearly 2 Decades, The Launch Code At All US Minuteman Nuclear Missile Silos Was 00000000

http://www.businessinsider.com/nuclear-launch-codes-2013-11?IR=T
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December 1, 2013 4:01pm
thedavincimode

What is your motivation for your crusade against women, lesbians, Rape Crisis, Women’s Refuge

Ned, that statement is a very good example of your continual use of disingenuous statements that at times border on blatant dishonesty. How does criticism of particular individuals within those groups constitute a crusade against all members thereof? Are you suggesting that the two stories he posted are false?

You are becoming a very sad little man. You have become the blackboard monitor from hell.
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December 1, 2013 4:02pm
nasska

Jack5

An even better point is what was behind the “business” trip to Hong Kong. Plenty of scope there but little interest from the news watchdogs.

They’re treating it like they would have preferred to treat the mistress story…..ie ignore it until it goes away.
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December 1, 2013 4:02pm
Pete George

I am not seeking, nor do I want, your approval. Get it through your thick head weirdo.

Weird comment – I’ve never thought of giving you my approval, how did you get that idea in your head? Maybe you’re confused, you seem to seek ticks of approval from others.
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December 1, 2013 4:03pm
Kea

PG, My point in the comment is one I stand by. There is a huge difference between claiming the moral high ground and occupying that moral high ground. I remain suspicious about those who make a big noise about morality issues.

My crusade is not a crusade at all. It is a response to an anti male bias which permeates our society. It is damaging not just men, but women and families. It is not OK.

I have experience inside the system which helps shape my view. I also have seen men in my personal life done over by this anti male bias. It is you who is on a crusade by attempting to distinguish yourself as somehow more moral than other men. You are not and your willingness to accept clear injustices against men shows you to have little morality about you.

You are also mistaken to think women are going to consider you some sort of White Knight. Women have SONS and men they love and depend on. They want to know they will be treated fairly and there is no chance of that with people like you around.
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December 1, 2013 4:08pm
Kea

Pete George (19,981) Says:
December 1st, 2013 at 4:03 pm

[I am not seeking, nor do I want, your approval. Get it through your thick head weirdo.]

Weird comment – I’ve never thought of giving you my approval, how did you get that idea in your head? Maybe you’re confused, you seem to seek ticks of approval from others.

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Pete George (19,979) Says:
December 1st, 2013 at 3:39 pm

Kea, I posted that on YourNZ because I didn’t know if DPF would do anything and there needed to be a consequence.

You think you’re immune from consequences and are protected here by your anonymity, I’m not so I use ways of putting facts on record to protect myself. I’ll delete the post if you give me a good enough reason to.
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December 1, 2013 4:12pm
Viking2

Pete George.

Give us all a break. Bother off to your own blog.
You are the opposite of Reddy only worse. A cry baby. Mostly we don’t give a toss about what your opinion is. Its mostly irrelevant.
Problem is you can’t tell where your blog ends and someone else’s starts any more so you troll all of them and repeat stuff back here like we can’t sort it for ourselves.

Just saying.

ain’t it quiet and peaceful without Reddy?
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December 1, 2013 4:13pm
nasska

V2

….”ain’t it quiet and peaceful without Reddy?”….

Amen! 🙂
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December 1, 2013 4:17pm
Kea

PG,

You still have not told me what was wrong with my comment ? [In fact no one has been able to]

I would not want to make the same mistake and upset my self important priggish mate again. It would break my heart to think I had hurt your feelings LOL 🙂
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December 1, 2013 4:19pm
nickb

You are becoming a very sad little man. You have become the blackboard monitor from hell.

What is frustrating lately is PG showing up 10 seconds after a DPF blog post and posting multiple links regarding the same story in the comments section, thereby taking over the “news aggregator” title from the late, great philu. Not sure if he realises he is not the only one with google.

Is it all part of his relentless quest for 20,000 posts? Over 4 years I calculate that as being around 14 comments per day. A true trooper.
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December 1, 2013 4:19pm
Pete George

It is a response to an anti male bias which permeates our society. It is damaging not just men, but women and families. It is not OK.

I know there are examples of anti-male bias, and I agree that it can be very damaging and is not OK.

But there has been much more anti-female bias for a long time and some of that still exists, which is also not OK.

Over-reacting to this and unfairly impacting on males is not OK either – but it can be very difficult getting a fair and safe balance right on this.

Accusing and abusing people you disagree with 9often based on false assumptions) is not going to resolve anything.

It is you who is on a crusade by attempting to distinguish yourself as somehow more moral than other men.

I’ve never tried to claim I’m more moral. It can be hard enough here claiming equality on morals as an atheist.

I’m not on a crusade. I’ve sometimes brought up topics or commented on topics that have been brought up by others, but not very often. You (and others) keep niggling away at it, not me.
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December 1, 2013 4:20pm
Kea

V2

….”ain’t it quiet and peaceful without Reddy?”….

Amen!

nasska, It just does not feel right. I have not been called a cowardly, prog, baby Jesus hating, communist for weeks now.

I blame you guys. I left you to baby sit him for a couple of weeks and you let him run away. He said you were not influential or important enough, unlike the “Twitter” community with its famously profound commentary. Now he is reduced to Twittering like a tween and probably follows Justin Bieber. A sad end to the insane old dinosaur.
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December 1, 2013 4:25pm
nasska

Sorry Kea. 🙂
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December 1, 2013 4:26pm
Viking2

Why wouldn’t you become a Judge.
Trough writ large.

Judicial salaries are padded nearly 40 per cent by a superannuation scheme described by Labour’s Justice spokesman Andrew Little as “one of the most generous I’ve ever heard of”.

The scheme, along with judicial salaries, is set by independent body the Remuneration Authority, and sees taxpayers contribute $7.5 for each dollar paid in by judges.

Contributions are capped at 5 per cent for High Court and Supreme Court justices, and 4.5 percent for judges serving in the District Court.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9462970/Banking-it-on-the-bench

We need to ensure the job pays well enough, and has superannuation generous enough, not to allow corruption,” he said.

IMHO pay and super are not the determinant of those the are incorruptible.

It is a matter of integrity.
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December 1, 2013 4:27pm
Pete George

Viking2 – what makes you think you’re the judge of what “us all” wants here? Different strokes for different folks.

You and a few cry baby buddies sob and wail if you don’t approve of what others might do and say here. Have you considered giving us all a break?
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December 1, 2013 4:29pm
Viking2

Piss off Pete.
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December 1, 2013 4:30pm
nickb

“one of the most generous I’ve ever heard of”

Except for his own, most likely. Come on Andy, gotta do better than that. At least our judges are worth their salary and generally take a huge pay cut to be a judge. Angry Andy is on 3x more as an MP than he could “earn” (i.e., leech off) from the backs of unionised workers.

Alas, this remuneration, being vastly out of proportion to his worth, doesn’t prevent Angry Andy and union colleagues (like Brenda Pilott) abusing workers over twitter when service is bad (especially those useless cunts that constantly seem to muck up their coffee order in the Koru Lounge!!! Fuck!!!)
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December 1, 2013 4:31pm
Pete George

V2 – my choice. Or yours. 🙂
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December 1, 2013 4:31pm
Kea

I’m not on a crusade. I’ve sometimes brought up topics or commented on topics that have been brought up by others, but not very often. You (and others) keep niggling away at it, not me.

PG, ok then.

Try taking a fair and balanced approach that does not assume guilt from the outset, simply because of the gender of the accuser.

Try dropping the whole “rape culture” narrative, which is nothing more than extreme feminist garbage. It does not exist.

It is men who are over represented in negative social statistics, not women. This is not the 1700’s. Women are not a special class of “victims”. Stop your White Knighting and I will have nothing to respond to.
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December 1, 2013 4:32pm
nickb

Viking2 – what makes you think you’re the judge of what “us all” wants here?

To be fair to Pete, that was mighty presumptuous Viking. We all know who the blackboard / hall monitor is around here.
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December 1, 2013 4:32pm
thedavincimode

You and a few cry baby buddies sob and wail if you don’t approve of what others might do and say here

Was I the only one to do a triple take??!! 😆
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December 1, 2013 4:35pm
nickb

Have you considered giving us all a break?

Have you considered taking your own advice given your net approval rating of around 10,000,000,000,000 ticks in your 4 years on KB?
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December 1, 2013 4:36pm
Pete George

Try dropping the whole “rape culture” narrative, which is nothing more than extreme feminist garbage. It does not exist.

It rarely bring it up here – you and others use that term much more often. However it is more than more than “extreme feminist garbage” and depending on what you understand it to mean it does exist and has been discussed on many New Zealand forums recently.

It is men who are over represented in negative social statistics, not women.

Depends on what statistics. No for most rape statistics but yes for the adverse affects of misreporting.

It’s impossible to measure psychological abuse so impossible to determine which gender is worst affected, but most likely it’s across the board.

Certainly men are over represented in crime and violence statistics, but unless you buy into the cultural victim thing then they are responsible for their actions (unlike rape victims), they are not victims, they are perpetrators. The solutions are in their own hands.
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December 1, 2013 4:41pm
thedavincimode

but most likely it’s across the board

Why? source please.
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December 1, 2013 4:44pm
Kea

Sorry Kea.

nasska, sorry does not cut it !

Kea once floated on the updrafts created by a steady tide of abuse. Always drifting high on the thermals, which tended to increase in the evenings, lifting him ever higher about the terrestrial world.

Now Kea is reduced to flapping his wings like a common house sparrow to stay aloft.

The only way to correct this is to ask a ten year old girl, who uses Twitter, if she will tell Red his services are needed at the front line of the prog invasion, as his fellow conservatives need a spearhead/vanguard to wipe out the progs, so they are no more 😉
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December 1, 2013 4:46pm
Pete George

nickb – have you considered that I don’t give a toss about tick “approval ratings”? Especially considering the auto-down ticking by a few RB-types. You’re not that childish are you?
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December 1, 2013 4:46pm
Pete George

thedavincimode – why don’t you ask Kea for a source for his/her claims?

Hey Kea, can you front up on whether you’re a him or her or otherwise, it’s a bit PC to have to use gender neutral or dual terms.
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December 1, 2013 4:50pm
Kea

Hey Kea, can you front up on whether you’re a him or her

PG, sure thing.

Just as soon as you show you have some balls !
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December 1, 2013 4:54pm
Pauleastbay

The scheme, along with judicial salaries, is set by independent body the Remuneration Authority, and sees taxpayers contribute $7.5 for each dollar paid in by judges.
V2

The same as MP’s!!!!!:Little is a mong
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December 1, 2013 4:56pm
thedavincimode

why don’t you ask Kea for a source for his/her claims

You mean those at 2:19 pm and 2:29 pm?

His link to your bog? Your bleat tweet?

Be honest for once in your life. Admit you made an assumption on the basis of an assumed 50/50 proportionality of gender.
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December 1, 2013 5:03pm
Nostradamus

Pete George:

Ok, seeing as you’re having fun on this thread, and closing in on 20,000 comments…

As I mentioned yesterday, your first recorded comment (under the alias “Cerium”) was on 27 June 2009.

Now, 27 June 2009 until 1 December 2013 is a period of exactly 1620 days.

So that means you’ve commented on Kiwiblog, on average, 12.3 times per day over a period of roughly 4 1/2 years. That says nothing, of course, about your comment rate on other blogs – which, for a time, included The Standard.

My question (given all the flack you’re taking on this thread): when will you reach 30,000 comments?
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December 1, 2013 5:12pm
nasska

PG

….”The kea is about the size of a sulphur-crested cockatoo, up to 50cm. There’s not much difference visually between the male and female except the male generally has a more curved beak. The young kea has a pale yellow lower mandible and cere”…..

Without a sighting you may have to rely on addressing our correspondent in non gender specific terms. 🙂

Ref: http://www.nhc.net.nz/index/birds-new-zealand/kea/kea.htm
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December 1, 2013 5:13pm
thedavincimode

Nostradamus

I preferred the “has it been worth it”. Then I could have asked: “For whom?”

Bear in mind that the 20,000 doesn’t include the emails to the headmaster, the bleat blogs at his own place and the bleat tweets.
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December 1, 2013 5:16pm
thedavincimode

nasska

Once inside the they can be hard to remove if determined to stay put.

That fits! 🙂
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December 1, 2013 5:20pm
Nostradamus

Actually, just for fun, let’s work out the likely date when Pete George will reach 30,000 comments.

Assumptions:

– Pete gets to 20,000 comments today.
– The calculation is 10,000 comments, starting from tomorrow.
– Pete maintains his average daily rate of 12.3 comments.

Now, extrapolating from Pete’s current daily comment rate of 12.3, that’s 813 days.

The magic date: Monday, 22 February 2016.

By contrast, I’ve been commenting here since February 2006 – and only have 2,549 comments to my name *sob*

Edit: thedavincimode – point taken 🙂
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December 1, 2013 5:22pm
nasska

Nostradamus

There, there. 🙂
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December 1, 2013 5:24pm
Pete George

Be honest for once in your life.

That’s a bit pathetic from you – and ironic here.

Admit you made an assumption on the basis of an assumed 50/50 proportionality of gender.

I didn’t make that sort of assumption. It’s far too complex to be 50/50 anything. It’s not just intergender, as well as relationships it can also be parent/child (young and elderly), same sex relationships and social groups etc etc.

Based what I knew and logic psychological abuse will be across the board, and it’s often both ways to varying degrees in relationships, families, workplaces, and social situations including social media.

And a bit of quick research backs this up, there are variable research results.
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December 1, 2013 5:25pm
thedavincimode

I’ve been commenting here since February 2006 – only 2,549 comments to my name *sob*

You’re getting out far too much.
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December 1, 2013 5:25pm
thedavincimode

That’s a bit pathetic from you – and ironic here.

Big call Ned. Care to provide an example?

I didn’t make that sort of assumption. It’s far too complex to be 50/50 anything. It’s not just intergender, as well as relationships it can also be parent/child (young and elderly), same sex relationships and social groups etc etc.

Based what I knew and logic psychological abuse will be across the board, and it’s often both ways to varying degrees in relationships, families, workplaces, and social situations including social media.

Translation: assumption.
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December 1, 2013 5:26pm
Kea

nasska, I hope PG does a trip down the Alps sometime. The crew have a special treat in store for him 🙂

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h62cl5iswu2rxwq/p1010433small.jpg
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December 1, 2013 5:31pm
Nostradamus

nasska:

There, there. 🙂

Ok, it’s not quite a prophecy, but I thought the Kiwiblog community would be interested in some forward projections. I’m not saying the world will end on 22 February 2016, or whenever Pete gets to 30,000 comments, after all 🙂
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December 1, 2013 5:32pm
nasska

Kea

Photo taken just before a succulent feast of windscreen wiper blades? 🙂
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December 1, 2013 5:35pm
Kea

Certainly men are over represented in crime and violence statistics, but unless you buy into the cultural victim thing then they are responsible for their actions (unlike rape victims), they are not victims, they are perpetrators.

1. Fact. Most victims of violence are men.

2. Perhaps surprisingly, statistics have shown that lesbian people experience domestic violence at a very similar rate to that of heterosexual women (Waldner-Haygrud, 1997; AVP, 1992).

http://www.pandys.org/articles/lesbiandomesticviolence.html

3. Women are more likely to be violent in a relationship. It is almost never reported.
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December 1, 2013 5:38pm
Pete George

Nostradamus – the old troops agathering.

I think your extrapolating is pointless. I comment quite a bit less than I used to. A large number of the tally will be responding to pointless attacks. I ignore a lot but pick a few battles to keep in practice. Others now comment more often than I do. Does it matter?

Is it worth it for me? Nah, I gave it up years ago. Is it worth it for you to pop up and nit pick? What do you get out of your contributions here?

Certainly some of it’s worth it. There are interesting people and and interesting comments here. Everyone gets frustrated with things they aren’t in to or don’t like – but it’s quite easy to ignore most what doesn’t interest you. It is for me anyway.

I’ve learnt a lot, and there’s been some very good discussions at times, amongst some crappy stuff.

It’s been very entertaining at times. It’s impossible to convey the degree of mirth felt about some stuff, especially Reddy type self parody (he’s not the only one). I laugh quite a bit – some of the numptiness is hilarious, but I usually don’t see any point in commenting on it.

How does one measure whether past social intercourse has been worth it? For me the negatives outweigh the negatives, otherwise I wouldn’t keep coming back. I’m active in quite a range of social media (some don’t like that multi-tasking but it’s quite common) but Kiwiblog is still my favourite forum.
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December 1, 2013 5:40pm
Kea

Kea

Photo taken just before a succulent feast of windscreen wiper blades?

nasska, we are going to try for some back-fat too, but weasels don’t have much.
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December 1, 2013 5:41pm
nasska

….” Women are more likely to be violent in a relationship. “….

Very likely….from my observations it is also women who are more likely to lay into the kids. The difference is that when men retaliate their (usually) superior upper body strength & size means that real damage can occur.

Most butch lesbians are built like concrete shithouses so I guess it holds true for those relationships as well.
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December 1, 2013 5:44pm
nasska

PG

….” but Kiwiblog is still my favourite forum”…..

It’s informative as there is a wealth of knowledge shared by various commenters & I for one would be poorer without the challenge of having to justify my opinions here. It is also good fun winding up some who were born with humour as optional & extra.

For all that life is easier when we all roll with what we get dished out to us & just laugh it off. Some days you’re the priest & others you’re the choirboy. 🙂
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December 1, 2013 5:53pm
Kea

Most butch lesbians are built like concrete shithouses

I remember chatting to an attractive blonde at the bar one night, in the club mentioned previously.

A very large and strong looking female, with a Marine Corps haircut, appeared to be standing around nearby for no particular reason. Finally I asked “Am I chatting up your misses” she nodded in the affirmative. She was the bouncer !

That broke the ice and last time I saw her we were waltzing around the dance floor together. She is a good sort and I actually got on well with the macho lesbians. They are sometimes not as bitchy as the lipstick lezzies.
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December 1, 2013 5:55pm
Kea

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Women are more likely than men to stalk, attack and psychologically abuse their partners, according to a University of Florida study that finds college women have a new view of the dating scene.

“We’re seeing women in relationships acting differently nowadays than we have in the past,” said Angela Gover, a UF criminologist who led the research. “The nature of criminality has been changing for females, and this change is reflected in intimate relationships as well.”

Sexual risk-taking – the age when survey respondents first had sex and the number of sexual partners in their lifetime – was another important risk factor, but surprisingly, attitudes toward women made no difference, said Gover, who did her research with Catherine Kaukinen, a University of South Carolina criminology professor, and Kathleen Fox, a UF graduate student in criminology. Some of the findings were presented at the American Society of Criminology annual meeting in November in Toronto.

http://news.ufl.edu/2006/07/13/women-attackers/
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December 1, 2013 6:00pm
Harriet

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Fuck that. 😎 😎 😎
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December 1, 2013 6:02pm
nasska

Whatever blows your dress up Harriet. 🙂
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December 1, 2013 6:03pm
Nostradamus

Pete George:

Is it worth it for you to pop up and nit pick? What do you get out of your contributions here?

Well, let’s see, I prefer quality over quantity.

That’s why:
– I’m (currently) sitting on 2,551 comments after 7.5 years; and
– you’re (currently) sitting on 19,989 comments after 4.5 years.

I come to Kiwiblog to learn and be entertained.

I’m not responsible for the fact that you’ve become part of the entertainment at Kiwiblog – or the fact that you’ve received an honorary mention over at The Civilian!
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December 1, 2013 6:06pm
Kea

Bruised and battered husbands have been complaining for years and now the biggest research project of its kind has proved them right. When it comes to domestic confrontation, women are more violent than men.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-are-more-violent-says-study-622388.html

I sometimes wonder if PG writes his posts in a gimp suit while Mistress Pain stands over him with a horse whip. How else can you explain such ignorance of freely available facts ? 🙂
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December 1, 2013 6:07pm
Kea

Harriet (3,097) Says:
December 1st, 2013 at 6:02 pm
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Fuck that.

Harriet, thanks for taking time out from your busy schedule of neurosurgery, and calculating re-entry vectors for orbiting bodies, to share your erudite commentary.

Update: Kea Nasska PG Divaseline Harriet
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December 1, 2013 6:13pm
bereal

Further to my effort @ 12.16 today.

When we have pseudo academics sucking on the public purse who serve up patent crap
that goes unchallenged then we will be steered in the wrong direction.

Here we have a university professor publishing the results of a year long study that cost us
mega dollars that even the most cursory examination would reveal is PC pathetic bullshit.

http://www.hrc.govt.nz/sites/default/files/HRC68%20(Youth).pdf

21% of secondary students need help/have mental health problems.
!7% ” ” ” are unable to access health care when they need it.
16% ” male secondary school students have self harmed themselves in the past year.
25% of female ” ” ” ” self harmed themselves in the past year.

Extrapulating the professors findings we see that hundreds and hundreds of secondary school
students have attempted to commit suicide this year.

TVNZ report his “findings” as fact (see TV1 news 27/11/13)

And it seems that loads of Kiwis suck up this kind of puke as fact.

(this professor will probably now be given a bigger grant to look into this puke more deeply)

When this kind of crap is served up as fact why does it go unchallenged ?
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December 1, 2013 6:15pm
Tom Jackson

Two words for you Tom Jackson (1.24pm); Aaron Gilmore. Have you already forgotten how Patrick Gower and co (decent journalists, trained and skilled) hounded him out of Parliament. That was a media feeding frenzy of the worst kind.

I don’t rate that little troll as a journalist. I don’t think Gilmore was treated fairly. Were I a judge, I would rule accordingly.

It was a non story, unlike the odious Dunne cheating on poor Pete George with Andrea Vance.
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