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December 18, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 18 December 2013

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redqueen

@Reid

Should be an interesting motion…at the very least, it will give a good idea who not to vote for in the next council election.
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December 18, 2013 2:01pm
labrator

Got more posts a day out of DPF when he was hiking.
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December 18, 2013 2:07pm
Rowan

15 years for cold blooded murder, whats a life really worth? I’d have given him at least 20
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/journalist-s-killer-jailed-5781741
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December 18, 2013 2:11pm
Yoza

Manolo (11,647 comments) says:
December 18th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

The sisterhood strengthens across the Tasman: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/selfinflicted-wounds-an-opening-for-enemies/story-fni0cwl5-1226785302335

Australia is a very corrupt country. The most obvious way, for those politicians in power, to maintain the free flow of backhanders, bribes and junkets without pesky opposition politicians drawing attention to the feeding frenzy is to let those opposition politicians in on a share of the spoils.

“Government insiders claim they are striving to be bipartisan, following the “Rudd template”, if you can believe it.”
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December 18, 2013 3:00pm
Gulag1917

Economic depression on the way?
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/dent-faber-celente-maloney-rogers-what-do-they-say-is-coming-in-2014
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December 18, 2013 3:22pm
Manolo

A nice chat between the two? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/17/merkel-compares-nsa-stasi-obama
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December 18, 2013 3:23pm
brucech

The Chair for the Royal Commission on Auckland Governance said in 2010 about the then proposed Super City Mayoral function:
“Auckland City can speak with one strong voice and have a clear identity”

We need “one Mayor who can be the Auckland face to the world and to the rest of New Zealand and who can engage with all sectors of the Auckland Community. This provides a good basis for potential with the private sector and with central government”

Mayors need to have Mana and statesman like qualities. Brown is unable to do this any more. He is seen as a clown.
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December 18, 2013 3:25pm
Pete George

Interesting column on The male friendship crisis

Citing both her own and others’ research on the topic, sociologist Lisa Wade says that white heterosexual men have fewer friends than any other demographic. This, despite their yearning for closer, more intimate platonic connections with other men:

“When I first began researching this topic I thought, surely this is too stereotypical to be true,” she writes. “Or, if it is true, I wondered, perhaps the research is biased in favor of female-type friendships. In other words, maybe we’re measuring male friendships with a female yardstick. It’s possible that men don’t want as many or the same kinds of friendships as women.

“But they do. When asked about what they desire from their friendships, men are just as likely as women to say that they want intimacy. And, just like women, their satisfaction with their friendships is strongly correlated with the level of self-disclosure. Moreover, when asked to describe what they mean by intimacy, men say the same thing as women: emotional support, disclosure and having someone to take care of them.”

Deep friendship, she says, requires empathy, vulnerability and warmth: qualities that equate with girly-ness. Which equates with being lesser. So straight men tend to develop what friendship scholar Geoffrey Greif calls “shoulder-to-shoulder” friendships (doing things) in contrast to the “face-to-face” friendships (discussing things) typical of women.

As a result, “If a man does have a confidant, three-quarters of the time it’s a woman, and there’s a good chance she’s his wife or girlfriend.”

The research was in the US but I wouldn’t be surprised it it applies here too.
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December 18, 2013 3:38pm
cha

See Pete, that’s why we need more ~~drinking schools~~ mens groups.
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December 18, 2013 3:45pm
kowtow

Sociology 101.

“White middle class males are bad,sorry losers…..

All others are not”

Embrace and celebrate diversity,it enriches you and your boring white culture.
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December 18, 2013 3:49pm
Manolo

Deep friendship, she says, requires empathy, vulnerability and warmth: qualities that equate with girly-ness. Which equates with being lesser.

I call that bullshit. An academic’s leap of thought gone completely wrong.
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December 18, 2013 3:52pm
dime

Rowan – id have him put down like a pitbull who attacks someone
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December 18, 2013 3:55pm
Chuck Bird

Brown faces no confidence motion

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9530273/Brown-faces-no-confidence-motion

Does anyone know who the woman in the video is? I do not think it looks like his wife. Could it be his daughter?
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December 18, 2013 3:57pm
Weihana

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/172859-google-acquires-boston-dynamics-and-seven-other-robotics-companies-next-stop-judgment-day

Google, the search engine and advertising company, has acquired Boston Dynamics — the robotics and engineering company famous for the creation of some of the world’s most advanced robots, including BigDog, Cheetah, Petman, and Atlas. This brings Google’s total number of robot-related acquisitions to eight, and the company now has teams of robotics experts in California and Japan. As we’ve previously reported, Google’s robots efforts will be led by Andy Rubin, who was formerly in-charge of Android. It is clear that Google is seriously — and rather suddenly — interested in robots. What isn’t clear, though, is why. Is Google planning some kind of synergistic and masterful play to integrate its AI and machine learning software algorithms with humanoid helper robots? Is this the start of a story that ultimately leads to the technological singularity and Judgment Day?
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December 18, 2013 4:10pm
RF

I tuned into Newstalk ZB at 5am this morning and heard this women talking in a flat, boring voice. I thought she might have been the midnight host and feeling worn out after a hard night.

No !!!! It was Rachel Smalley and she had just started her hour shift. What a hopeless person. No personality, just droned on being drowned out by background music.

Useless !!!!
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December 18, 2013 4:20pm
Manolo

What a beast. White trash at its worst: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8773203/blonde-bikini-woman-in-screwdriver-road-rage-attack
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December 18, 2013 4:31pm
Left Right and Centre

What a beast. White trash at its worst: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8773203/blonde-bikini-woman-in-screwdriver-road-rage-attack

Maybe so but the stereotypical fuckwit Asian driver exists for a good reason. It’s true.
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December 18, 2013 5:55pm
Left Right and Centre

Murder accused Helen Milner – where do these people come from ? What a fucking hideously ugly white bitch she is. If she was bald – you couldn’t tell what sex it was without flipping it.

What decade is that fuck-awful hairstyle from ? The 40s? Green Village Hair Care ?
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December 18, 2013 5:57pm
Left Right and Centre

Her gorgeous looks are definitely wasted on the radio RF. Terrible, terrible waste.
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December 18, 2013 6:41pm
nasska

LR&C

When I first saw a photo of Helen Milner in the dock the first similar image to mind was Dame Edna Everage. 🙂
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December 18, 2013 6:52pm
Left Right and Centre

Nazzie I’m reading bits of ‘Meatonomics’. It’s author is a lawyer, the book paints an ugly picture of the US animal products industry.

Turning the issue locally, is NZ farming plundering and polluting the resources to oblivion ?
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December 18, 2013 6:57pm
MH

The Ashes – full credit to the cricket pitch,had more cracks in it than unearthed in Christchurch.
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December 18, 2013 7:04pm
Left Right and Centre

Why do women news presenters when standing and women reporters turn 45 degrees on to the camera to talk ?

IT’S JUST FUCKING MENTAL !!

Have you stood talking to anyone like that ? Facing one direction with your head fixed to the side ? No. It’s weird.

I’m glad they shield me from the full horror of seeing the actual width of their gruesome size nothing hours of cardio invested body shapes.

TV makes you look ‘fat’. So try to hide on a 45. Good one idiots.
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December 18, 2013 7:05pm
calendar girl

PG@12:33 – “Manolo was being a dork. He jumped to a conclusion and rushed into an attack without bothering to check the link. Which you seem to have followed suit on. Are you trying to defend Manolo or is this just another of your occasional targetings of me?”

So the personal abuse continues. According to the Concise Oxford English Dictionary the word “dork” means (1) (informal) a socially inept person; or (2) (North American vulgar slang) a man’s penis. So to prevent us misinterpreting your comments again, you could indicate which insult you intended.

Targeting you? Like the attention that you’ve trained on Colin Craig’s comments over recent months? You flatter yourself, Pete.
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December 18, 2013 7:09pm
Left Right and Centre

Small gripes about TV3 news reporting (you only watch TV news for the pretty pictures anyway)…..

Such and such celebrity son was three times the drink drive limit. Sure, which one though ? The youth one where you could lick soap and blow a fail ? Or the adult one ? Makes a difference to me anyway.

Someone stabbed in the neck. Yep – with what ? It doesn’t have to be a knife. If a knife, what kind ? Stabbed once in the neck ? Multiple times ? Where’s the detail ?

Reporter Ashlee Turley (spelling?)- ‘boat ran out of gas’. Petrol, fuel, diesel ? Informality has its place – I don’t like it in news reporting. What next ? Boat ran out of go-go juice ? Is this just catering to viewers that are now so americanised that it might actually cost advertising dollars not to pander to the now more widely understood Ameranisms or the demographic that dominates the news ratings ? Trying to capture the demographic with the most cash to spend, which prefers AmeriEnglish ?
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December 18, 2013 7:14pm
nasska

….”is NZ farming plundering and polluting the resources to oblivion”….

It depends LR&C. Dairying is getting caned for its effects on the environment & there’s a basis of truth to the claims. Dairy cockies have perfected the art of turning mud into milk….the problem is that mud & crap flows downhill & when it enters waterways the effects are not nice. The Regional Councils via the RMA are making life difficult for those who ignore all responsibility in favour of an extra monetary return.

The Greens want to decrease cow numbers by about 20% but as usual they are taking a simplistic approach. Some land that has undergone dairy conversion is simply not suitable for that purpose. Steep land farmed intensively erodes easily & the runoff contains unused fertiliser. Sheep & beef is relatively easy on the land & waterways.

I doubt that we’ll ever get it totally pure & green but somewhere along the line some of the desktop experts should consider just how NZ would pay the bills without farming. NZ exports total around $50 billion pa…..agriculture contributes about a third of that.
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December 18, 2013 7:21pm
Viking2

A psychiatrist visited a California mental institution and asked a patient, “How did you get here? What was the nature of your illness?” He got the following reply.

“Well, it all started when I got married and I guess I should never have done it. I married a widow with a grown daughter who then became my stepdaughter.

My dad came to visit us, fell in love with my lovely stepdaughter, then married her. And so my stepdaughter was now my stepmother. Soon, my wife had a son who was, of course, my daddy’s brother-in-law since he is the half-brother of my stepdaughter, who is now, of course, my daddy’s wife.

So, as I told you, when my stepdaughter married my daddy, she was at once my stepmother! Now, since my new son is brother to my stepmother, he also became my uncle. As you know, my wife is my step-grandmother since she is my stepmother’s mother. Don’t forget that my stepmother is my stepdaughter. Remember, too, that I am my wife’s grandson.

But hold on just a few minutes more. You see, since I’m married to my step-grandmother, I am not only the wife’s grandson and her hubby, but I am also my own grandfather. Now can you understand how I got put in this place?”

After staring blankly with a dizzy look on his face, the psychiatrist replied: “Move over!”
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December 18, 2013 7:26pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7c8e3tol6gfgf06/Xmas%20B.jpg
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December 18, 2013 7:36pm
Scott Chris

Giant rabbit:

http://snopes.com/photos/animals/giantrabbit.asp
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December 18, 2013 7:46pm
Left Right and Centre

(1) Thanks Nazzareth of Eketahuna. The great farm NZ gets a mention in the book when describing the nonsense notion of ‘food miles’, using the example of NZ lamb having a much lower total life cycle carbon cost than British lamb, and the transport carbon cost being around 10% of the bottomline to think about. He uses milk powder as another example of the same thing. NZ efficiencies far exceed the ‘food miles’ cost.

(2) Can anyone find me a link to a builder Damon father of five on One News this evening who lost his son to I think leukemia and blames the son’s iphone and wifi in the classroom ? And was that really the cause ? What modern invisible dangers lurk with waves and signals etc?

(3) Herald website has one ‘ologist’ saying that when you take cats out of the equation, the birds are worse off because cats kill rats, and rats eat birds eggs from nests. Birds lose more without cats. Has anyone told Gareth about this ?

(4) bikini white trash road rage youtube Upper Hutt girl – it really didn’t live up to the hype. I think the screw driver had more meat on it than she did.
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December 18, 2013 7:49pm
Left Right and Centre

This is what I REALLY want to type about…..

If Seven Sharp is soooooooo incredibly shit, why why why why why why why why why oh why then is it still waaaaaaaaaay ahead of the Chipmonk Crusader in the ratings ??

Can someone explain that mystery to everyone else ?? 🙂 🙂

What do you reckon ? Old ‘It’s In The Bag’ episodes from 1975 could pull 300K at 7pm on TV1 ?
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December 18, 2013 7:58pm
nasska

Doug meets Bill at the bar for their usual after work drink.
Bill is sitting there looking somewhat depressed.

Doug asks, “What’s wrong pal?”

Bill replies, “Well, I finally succeeded in talking my
girlfriend in to a threesome.”

“Wow, lucky you. But why the long face?” Doug remarks.

Bill sighs and says, “Yeah, well, as the threesome
entered into its second hour of hot and heavy action,
it dawned on me that I really should have specified
that I wanted to be one of the three.”
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December 18, 2013 8:02pm
nasska

LRC

….”the example of NZ lamb having a much lower total life cycle carbon cost than British lamb,””…..

Our relatively temperate climate allows us to graze livestock year round. In the USA & Canada as well as much of Europe the animals have to be housed & their forage fed out to them. This involves much mechanisation which contributes heavily to carbon outputs.

Another huge advantage we have is in the utilisation of clovers in our pasture grasses. Clover fixes nitrogen which otherwise normally comes from urea which is petro based.

What we do we do bloody well….the fact that we can easily compete in the free markets available in the Northern hemisphere is proof aplenty.
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December 18, 2013 8:13pm
Pete George

cg: “…you could indicate which insult you intended.”

Thanks for the invitation and thanks for the definitions.

There’s a degree of accuracy in both those. He does exhibit some social ineptness, most of his comments are griping at people he seems to disagree with or not like. When did you hear him talk about something positive or politics or politicians he agrees with other than Colin Craig and Sarah Palin?

And he was certainly a bit of a man’s penis today, coming off half cocked. He made an assumption on the link, incorrect as usual, and launched into an unrelated dissy fit. And now he needs you to try and defend him? That would make him a socially inept soft cock. So dork wouldn’t be too far off the mark.

How would you describe Manolo?
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December 18, 2013 8:28pm
Andrei

Viking2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgpsGmGyG0Q
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